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  1. June 27 2004 – 12 June 2006
  2. April 1 2006 – June 15 2006
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Here is a straw poll to see where we're at. Place your name in the section that shows your opinion of how links to fansites should be dealt with. Note that this is not a vote, but a way to guage consensus. By no means are the results of this staw poll forced to be what happens to the links. Cowman109Talk 01:50, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Have no links to fansites
  1. maxcap 01:57, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Ideogram 02:00, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  3. IrishGuy talk 02:01, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Xinit 06:12, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  5. HJ 22:20, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep all links to fansites
  • Keep only a certain number of fansites (which will lead back to determining which ones should stay and which should go)
  1. MyLovelyMan 02:03, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Jason1978 07:20, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  3. ReadyMade 17:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Seligmeister 23:32, 20 June 2006 (UTC) First edit[reply]
  5. Miaus 23: 40, 20 June 2006 (UTC) Not a real user. Actually 87.196.228.175

Just to give all participants a clue: Voting without participating in the debate is pointless. Wikipedia is not a democracy. Ideogram 03:07, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What each fan site offers

We'll start from scratch then: let's try to do this as cleanly as possible then. We'll scrap the earlier debate as that was also in reference to other non-fansite links. Below let's have a list of fansites that appear to be possible links (feel free to add another one if it appears to meet similar standards). However, per WP:AUTO, perhaps it may be an interesting idea to instead of comment on the fansite that you personally would like added, you could comment on the other fansites about the positive aspects of them. You should recognize that if you generally use one fansite, there is a possibility that you may be subconsciously biased in favor of that one website, so let's try to keep this as short and to the point as possible. What we need are consise facts about each fansite that show it a) offers information not available in the article b) provides further inside c) is accessible (IE is it easy to find this information?).

If you do not want any fansites at all, it may still be helpful to add the facts of the fansites to determine their use. So, once again, short, concise bullet points to explain what each site offers. We don't need novels here. Cowman109Talk 14:59, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

(In reference to some comments below) Can we try not to drag direct argument back into this process? A simple list of points would suffice. Ideogram 18:16, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. ReadyMade 18:30, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If you agree, then don't do it. Ideogram 19:33, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I was referring to cowmans comments, not with yours. Sorry, ReadyMade 19:53, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

One Hot Globe

  • What information does it offer?
  1. News archives to 2004 -- Xinit
  • What does it lack?
  1. Notability -- Xinit
  • Is it accessible?

Red Hot Chili Peppers Italy

  • What information does it offer?
  1. English language news dating back more than one year -- Xinit
    Back to 2002. maxcap 18:48, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Guitar/Bass tabs and lyrics, discography; a fairly in-depth, though unsourced bio. maxcap 18:41, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Its pages contain a wealth of information covering most aspects of the RHCP and their music. ReadyMade 18:50, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • What does it lack?
  1. English language anything else -- Xinit
  2. English Language forum. maxcap 18:41, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  3. As stated - No English forum which provides no RHCP focused community or even a platform for discussion. ReadyMade 18:50, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is it accessible?
  1. Yes -- Xinit

Stadium-Arcadium

  • What information does it offer?
  1. Fan forums and content that pales in comparison to this article on WP -- Xinit Facts, not general overviews are needed. Cowman109Talk 18:15, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Thats incorrect. The content on the site overall contains more information than this article ever could. Since it started 4 months ago, its grown into the Largest unofficial english speaking rhcp forum on the Internet, therefore it contains alot of content related to the band. ReadyMade 18:03, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Is there a source anywhere that states it is the largest unofficial english speaking RHCP forum? Cowman109Talk 18:15, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    No, what sort of source would make the statement any more or less credible? ReadyMade 18:54, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Read the policy on verifiability. Ideogram 19:35, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Can you or Anyone find a bigger unofficial english speaking rhcp forum anywhere on the internet? Not possible, because it doesnt exist. I think thats verification enough. ReadyMade 19:59, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  2. A large fan forum, though the media zone forums are locked maxcap 18:44, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  3. A forum with sections dedicated to each band member, and different aspects of the band itself. Contained within these forums are access to legal media of concerts, and information about touring, such as setlists of recent/past shows Seligmeister 13:12, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • What does it lack?
  1. Relevance or encyclopedic content -- Xinit
    How is it irrelevant? It's a site focused on the chili peppers. The member base of over 5500 people honours the fact that it is highly relevant to the band. ReadyMade 18:03, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  2. It lacks good content on its main pages such as the biography and discography (at the moment.) ReadyMade 18:28, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Too many noobs, ultra-young fan and too less old fans..so too many "all chili peppers do is good" ) zagozagozago 18:28, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is it accessible?
  1. Yes -- Xinit
  2. Raw citable information can be hard to track down on fan forums maxcap 18:46, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    That's more personal opinion than Fact. The phpbb search function is more than sufficient for locating topics and even specific keywords or phrases. ReadyMade 18:52, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]


NPA

Are personal attacks and vandalism really the only ways that we can deal with this? [1] and [2] as today's examples -- Xinit 19:29, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism is a strong word for enlightening someone. ReadyMade 19:42, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps, but appropriate when you insert your teachings on a user's page. --Xinit 19:57, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have had it. I'm simply not going to respond to ReadyMade anymore. Ideogram 19:58, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Xinit, I must apologise for editing maxcaps user page. ReadyMade 20:00, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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