Talk:Super Smash Bros. (video game)

mines

I would say that the proximity mines in goldeneye are not related to the ones in SSB. I think that should be removed (and the section made longer) Playwrite 23:47, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

SNES Origins?

I remember a long time ago I read that Super Smash Bros. was being developed for the SNES or Super Famicom but was cancelled for later development for the Nintendo 64 version. I was wondering if anyone knew anything about that. I've been looking online for something about it, but I think it'd be interesting to get some information on the SNES version. Has anyone else heard this?

List of cancelled video games makes this claim, but doesn't give a source. This isn't mentioned in any of IGN's early reporting on the game. Does anyone have a source? Ace of Sevens 22:00, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't, but I've read this too. Brutannica 19:07, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Consider this:

Since Super Smash Bros. contains the Pokémon franchise, I think that the upwards ring out into the background is derived from Team Rocket's infamous "launch into the sky and disappear as a little dot". Any thoughts? Oh, and I think the same goes for Melee as well. --Geopgeop 13:46, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

I don't think so. But that's me :P Adam Marx Squared 19:56, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

It's definitely not related. Andre (talk) 20:00, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

The "star" effect is famous in Anime in general; not just Pokémon. OOZ662 18:33, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I improved the relevance and diction of the Character section, but I left the cleanup tag because it still needs work. Is all that stuff about the "pro circuit" really relevant to most readers? I think more specific info about items and attacks would be a big improvement.' 68.42.164.153 20:10, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

The star thing is related to anime and the game for very specific reasons. If you read the games manual, it describes the game as "wackey manga action" or something to do with manga's. This is also on the back of the games boxart and can be told by the character art that it does have somethig to do with anime or mangas.

Okay, it WOULD NOT say manga action. Manga is a graphic novel. Anime is the...other thing.

Trivia section?

There's not a trivia section? one thing i find interesting is that the entire game is kinda based off of Hal's Kirby Super Star for SNES. The master hand is just a boss called "Bam Bam Rock" and uses all the same attacks.

The controls are very similar and you'll notice many similar attacks and enemies from the game.

Trivia sections are evil, because they are by nature not encyclopediac. Nifboy 22:33, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Mothra?

Is it true that you can unlock Mothra? I don't think so myself, but at the time of my writing this, there is no refernce to the unlockableness of Jigglipuff.

Mothra instead of Jigglypuff? Whether this is not true or I have hallucinations. I have changed that lately, but some IP keeps including that. --Yuuki Mayuki 06:58, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Jigglypuff is unlockable (I have it on my game) but, Mothra is not. During the opening song it shows all the main characters in thier environment (or fighting someone else in thiers). Then thier is a flash of the silowettes (ceck speeling) of the unlockable characters. When you unlock a unlockable character it is no longer a sillwette but a plain character picture i have unlocked all the characters and there is no other silowette for Mothra.

P.S. What is Mothra?

H-BOMB 18:38, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Mothra is a giant flieing moth(or catapillar) from the Godzilla series of movies. P.S. it is insane to think she would be included.Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 17:43, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Doc Strange 08:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... i think this guy means that Butterfly pokeman...

Failed GA

Not having sources is enough to fail this article, but there are other problems:

• Story: One paragraph is not enough for a section. Additionally, it should not speculate. It may be enough to say, "The game's introductory video depicts Master Hand..." and not speculate as to whatever "story" the game has.
• Gameplay/General mechanics: One paragraph is not enough for a section.
• Gameplay/Controls: Wikipedia is not a how-to. The CVG project suggests that "if the content only has value to people actually playing the game, it's unsuitable." This entire section is game guide material, which doesn't belong here.
• Gameplay/Items: Again, too short for a section. Merge these three subsections together.
• Characters: An awful mess. The names of moves are guide material, and unsuitable. The charging nonsense is just that.
• Secret Stage: Not only is it one paragraph, it's the only bullet point there. Bullets are for lists, and lists have more than one item in them.
• Non-playable stages: A misnomer, since they are played in 1P mode.
• Criticism: One-paragraph section again, no references (which are vital to reception sections), and reads like an advertisement.

So! That's why you fail GA! Nifboy 00:39, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Criticism

This section is not notated very well (at all) and is very contradictory. It states that there is very little criticism, but goes on to say that many hated the simplified controls and 'outdated' graphics. If no one objects I'm just going to delete this section. --Thaddius 14:18, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I found this while looking and it does say that the graphics aren't amazing and that it isn't a 'fighting' game, but it does not criticism these aspects. I'd like to hear at least another person's views before I delete this altogether, or at least integrate it somewhere else. --Thaddius 16:02, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd go ahead and delete it. Besides, the graphics are simple because of all the things going on in the screen at once. :/ M2K e 20:44, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. Any kind of criticism (or, for that matter, praise or reaction, which would be a better section title) section absolutely needs sources for basically every statement in it. Nifboy 22:49, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Many game reviewers noted the weak single-player mode. I believe that is worthy of note. People get so caught up in the multiplayer matches that they forget the single-player mode even exists. The Legend of Miyamoto 02:40, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

"Many" is a weasel word. Please find a reviewer(s) who said it. Nifboy 05:05, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Glad you asked. Quoth Gamespot's review of Super Smash Bros. Melee, "One of the original Smash Bros.' weaker areas was its single-player modes, or lack thereof. Aside from a halfhearted "story" mode, there really wasn't anything compelling, outside of the multiplayer game." [1] IGN also made somewhat negative comments toward the single-player mode. [2] The Legend of Miyamoto 18:20, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Pit

I'm very interested in seeing a source for this claim that Pit was supposed to be in instead of Jigglypuff. Can anyone help me (and this article) out? --Xubelox 20:54, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank goodness he wasn't, huh? Jigglypuff ended up being the best character in this game, bar none. BonniePrinceCharlie 18:26, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

LOL JIGGYQuatreryukami 16:35, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Metal Mario

Metal Mario is not unlockable in this game without the use of a Gameshark. Completing Vary Hard with 3 lives doesn't unlock him, nor will anything else. Please stop posting this under unlockable characters!

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I have personally beaten this game as both Link and as Ness with one life on very hard with no continues. There are absolutely no unlocks for doing so. Perhapse if it could be done with every character, however I doubt that is the case. Maybe someone able to finally provide proof of this could step forward. Another rumor I saw a few years ago involved the character's faces turning into a scowl, but that is also untrue. As I said, nothing happens.

I removed the citation needed because honestly I don't know what kind of citation you could possibly reference. It's just a fact, I've done it, but I guess unless someone went to the trouble of posting video proof, or could show a snippet of actual code for the unlocks, citation will not exist.

-Michael Hamilton

Opening Movie?

This may not belong here, but I didn't know where else to go. Can someone give me a link to a website that has the opening movie AND YOU CAN SAVE IT? This does not mean Youtube. You cannot save Youtube videos. (Or if you can, please tell me). Sorry if this doesn't belong here, but I didn't know where else to go. RememberMe? 04:05, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind, I found one. : ) RememberMe? 20:52, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Share the love? :) --Sparky Lurkdragon 21:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Pokemon in Smash

Someone thought it was a good idea to remove the whole list of pokemon that appear in the game without discussing it first. I've added them back to the page. Maybe people think they belong somewhere else -- a trivia section perhaps? But I don't know. Before we change it dramatically, why don't we discuss first. In defense of the list, it's the only place you can find anything like it (in english). --Nick 13:34, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm of the opinion the pokemon list should be removed, for two reasons: One, it only helps people playing the game (A WP:CVG no-no), and two, this was discussed on the Melee page and the list of pokemon, list of items, and list of stages were ALL removed. Also, you can find lists exactly like this on GameFAQs. Nifboy 17:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

It's true that the Melee page reflects a very different wiki-philosophy from this one -- Take away this page's list of characters, pokemon, and stages and you have very little left. I'd agree it's a very "gamer-y" page. But I disagree that the list of pokemon only helps people playing. In fact, I'd argue it "helps" no one and instead could be interesting to anyone -- a pokemon fan, for instance. Maybe a description of what the pokemon actually do in the game is too "gamer" for the page, but I think a comprehensive list is necessary. And regarding its appearance on GameFAQs, no single list I could find gives every pokemon that appears in the game (saffron +item). I'd be happy with a merge to another page, but an outright delete doesn't seem right to me.--Nick 20:41, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I would argue that SSB's relevance to Pokemon fans is rather insignificant, but the "usefulness" of information isn't quite the issue here (else FAQs wouldn't be outlawed). Really, I just see the lists as "filler" that pads out the article yet serves no encyclopediac function. Nifboy 22:22, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Debug mode?

How do you activate the debug mode in the original game? I've never even heard of it.

I think asked that a while ago. I'm not sure, I've found no gameshark codes (even when I tell it not to search for melee debug mode, it still does), and I heard on youtube that it can be accessed through the use of an emulator. —↑_{Darklinkskywalker}|^{Talk_|i did this stuff_}↓ 02:34, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

OOOH! Lookie here what I found! http://gscentral.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3669 —↑_{Darklinkskywalker}|^{Talk_|i did this stuff_}↓ 02:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Items

Shouldn't there be something explaining the items? bibliomaniac15 18:35, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but I think I might add that right now. —↑_{Darklinkskywalker}|^{Talk_|i did this stuff_}↓ 02:33, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Scratch that, I forgot what the items are. —↑_{Darklinkskywalker}|^{Talk_|i did this stuff_}↓ 02:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

"Bowling ball hitting pins"

Sorry, but I don't remember this. Anyone that's heard a bowling ball hitting pins would know that's a totally inappropriate sound for a thwack or hit. The sound in the North American game is like a violent "WHACK." I'm changing this. Brutannica 19:07, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

WHY ? you cant change history.........

Story

The game has NO known story. Any theories on what could possibly be a story is nothing more than original research. This includes the whole Master Hand is some child's hand thing. If there is no story, it certainly does not need a section, so go discuss your theories somewhere else. 199.126.137.209 19:56, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Strange, the opening, game over, and victory deals clearly indicate that this is someone playing with their dolls.

lil mario sais-if you have read the GAME MANUAL, it says that nintendos dudes are in the fight of thier lives. period.

Trivia section with no citation

"Rumor has it that Super Smash Bros. was originally a concept for the SNES." I'm gonna need to see citations for that. Valoem ^talk 23:33, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Sneaky Vandalism

IP User: 67.70.23.32 had added a good deal of false information that required research to disprove. This page may need to be protected if vandalism continues.

He/She added "Heart removes only 300%" which is false. (Had to test that myself) and also character can not died on Planet Zebes except by star finish. (Not True) I am sure there were other things so I RVed to be safe. Valoem ^talk 01:27, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, I've found many obivious signs of vandalism, (look at Kirby's "symbol" for an example) I hereby request protection and reworking SK2034 15:11, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Smash Syndicate Forums

I've seen this forum linked over and over again on all of the Smash Bros. related articles. This forum has a whopping 19 members, and I'm pretty sure that puts it in the unnotable department. So if anyone sees the forum linked on any of the SSB related pages, do your best and delete it. Paji out ^_^ Comrade Pajitnov 22:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Debug Mode

How can you access Debug Mode in Super Smash Bros? What's the cheat code for it?

You need a game hacking tool like GamesharkQuatreryukami 16:32, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Dairantō

Would "battle royal" be a good translation of "dairantō"?

On "Dairantō Smash Brothers DX" when it's set to Japanese, the announcer says "Battle Royal" when you select "dairantō" mode. Also, in "Nintendo All-Star! Dairantō Smash Brothers", you can see "Roya" in the background on the mode select screen.

Game guide

This article is growing into a game guide. Things like Pokémon and stage descriptions frankly aren't needed in an encyclopedia. I posted this so I don't start a controversy. Any opinions? bibliomaniac15 03:28, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

"Growing" into a game guide? Well, the page seems to have always been like this. I'm pretty sure that this page will become a very small article indeed if all the game guide is removed, smaller than most of the Pokemon articles themselves, like Cascoon. Hee. Being serious about this, however, I'm not sure how this page can be retooled into a Good Article. The Development and Reaction sections are definitely able to be expanded upon. I suggest bringing this to the attention of everyone at the Brawl article so that they may be persuaded to put a lot of encyclopedic work into this page as a constructive project to pass time until Brawl's release. As we all know, this page needs the attention while there's pretty much no value in continuing to edit the Brawl page as of now. Erik Jensen ^{(Appreciate|Donate)} 18:32, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

You are making sense. It is Like a gaming guide.Pendo 4 01:17, 24 January 2007 (UTC)Pendo 4

I do not agree. The article is very informative, and stage descriptions help the reader picture the stage in their mind. I say keep it.Quatreryukami 16:31, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

DS Version

You know, I wish that they could make the DS version of "Super Smash Bros.". It should include same music, some voice, but more characters, more playable characters, including ones whose SSB debut are in the Melee and Brawl versions. And also more stages, and an all-new long-time adventure, and many more Pokemon. It should be considered. Can you add it on your consideration? -- Guest Editor

wikipedia does not speculate. but still...it would be cool... dalbano13 23:33, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

This is not a discussion forum for Super Smash Bros. - Wikipedia Talk pages are for discussions relating to improving the article they're attached to. Also, we don't develop games - we just report on them. :)

If you'd like to discuss Super Smash Bros. with fellow fans of the series, entering the search query Super Smash Bros. forum into your favorite search engine should give you a starting point. --Sparky Lurkdragon 15:57, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Stages

I added all of the stages and brief descriptions for them, but I have to go to school soon, so I don't have any time to expand upon them today. Anyone else want to expand on them? Takuthehedgehog 16:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Done. Quatreryukami 15:04, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

GA Nom

I personally feel that most or all of the previous complaints are adressed, so I nom-ed it. Comments? Quatreryukami 15:09, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Personally I find the presence of only SIX references, and the lack of any real development information as appalling. It even has lists which could easily be prose, not to mention a TINY reception section. FAR more work to do. But considering the current standards, I guess it'll make good article anyway... --125.238.28.28 04:41, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Testing nomination

Super Smash Bros. (video game) is a current good article nominee. If you have not contributed significantly to this article, feel free to evaluate it according to the good article criteria and then pass or fail the article as outlined on the candidates page. 1. Well written?: yes Comprehensible prose? yes Logical Structure? yes WP:LEAD? partial, sourcing is desired WP:LAYOUT? yes WP:MOSDEF? yes WP:WTA? yes WP:WAF? yes Wikipedia:Embedded list? yes 2. Factually accurate?: partial, sourcing is desired WP:CITE? no, as of now the first citation is in the 4th section WP:V? yes, but there needs to be more citations WP:RS? yes WP:NOR? partial, more sources are needed 3. Broad in coverage?: yes 4. Neutral point of view?: yes 5. Article stability? yes, though intermittent 6. Appropriate Images?: yes Good captions? yes Copyright problems? no

I'm new to reviewing. Any comments about the article's quality is appreciated. Thanks!Kmarinas86 04:47, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

The images have copyright problems (box is too large for fair use, screenshots have no rationale), and the article does have lists. --Teggles 06:46, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I dissagree: the screenshots show the game in action, and show the various stages possible in the game. As for CR...?Quatreryukami 01:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

You can't "disagree". The images need to be smaller and the images need to have rationales. Otherwise it violates copyright. --Teggles 06:16, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I really don't know why; I did explain the rationality of having the screenys. But how small do the images need to be for CR?Quatreryukami 15:46, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

The rationales have to be ON THE IMAGE PAGE. If you want to find out the right resolution, try READING THE PAGE. --Teggles 00:28, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

ok, ok, the flame wasn't nesseccary, I just asked for an explanation. I will get on that ASAP. Quatreryukami 01:18, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

What? I didn't flame. I just emphasized the key points. --Teggles 02:18, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Disagree. The reception section is too short, doesn't cover it in enough range. hbdragon88 00:03, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Look, I dont want conflict. If you feel so strongly that it doesn't qualify than simply fail it. Thanks. If you would like to discuss this further go to my talk. Quatreryukami 03:00, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Simply add quotes from the websites that reviewed the game such as - "IGN reviewer Peer Schneider awarded the game 8.5 (it says 9.6 in the tables which isn't true) out of 10, calling it a "refreshing multiplayer battle game that won't fix the gaping hole in the N64 fighting game lineup, but delivers a ton of fun and heavy dose of nostalgia." However, he criticized the reptiveness of the single play mode" etc M3tal H3ad 07:48, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Samus: Voice vs. "Robot Sounds"

I noticed that there's a section talking about the changes in sounds from Japanese to English, but not a single mention of how Samus was given a real voice in the original Japanese game (her voice actor is even mentioned in the article!) but she has nothing more than "robot sounds" in the English version. I think that's a lot more of a "notable change" than what's currently in that section... 63.215.28.146 03:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

GA Pass

I think this article is good enough to be a GA. I recommend that you add more sources before nominating this article for FA status. Funpika 02:12, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Yay! That makes me happy. Quatreryukami 02:31, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

GA comment

The screenshots need fair use rationales to keep it's GA status. Look to other GA video game articles for examples. Also, the box cover should be downsized on its image page, 800x550 is probably too big. Just shrink it down in an outside program and reupload it. --Nehrams2020 21:10, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I'll be removing this article's GA status if this isn't done. I already told the editor about this and it still hasn't happened. It's a requirement of GA. I can't believe FunPika ignored it. A very good example of why the Good Article process needs changing. --Teggles 01:36, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Nehrams, it will be done, and would have been done earlyer if that was what was told to me. Quatreryukami 18:16, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Before GAR...

This article fails many aspects of the Good Article Critieria. If someone is willing to listen I will put them here to be fixed. Otherwise I must put this on the GAR.

From Criteria 1:
"Reviews for Super Smash Bros. were almost universally positive" 79%? Hardly. Needs to be reworded.
Characters section is bordering on game guide info. No prose, just list of abilities? Kind of weird.

From Criteria 2:
My expectation if I was to pass this would be one citation per paragraph. This has whole sections without them.
Lead:0
Gameplay:0
Characters:0
Stages:0
Reception: Has a {{fact}} tag
Voice Talent:0

From Criteria 3:
Gameplay: I've played this game before, and this gameplay section completely neglects anything about the single player. This is rather important, yet the only thing I can think of off the top of my head. If I think of more, I'll list them.
Development: A game like Super Smash Bros only having three sentences on the development? I expected several paragraphs with interviews, marketing, changes, anything (well almost anything) is better than what's there now.
Reception: This was so short it surprised me. I expected a paragraph about general scores and inital reactions, a paragraph on critics really liked, a paragraph on what they didn't like, and anything else you think of. There were no quotes, no actual words, just a little tidbit. Also, there's no legacy section about sequels or apperances, which has a place in there.

From Criteria 4:
Really the only problem here is a lack of criticism and many unanswered questions that were dismissed with "such as the removal of the traditional health bars".

From Criteria 6:
None of the images have a fair use rationale.

Other things
Release dates should be superscript, not flags.
Ring out is a red link
The Nintendo Power slash in the wikitable is backwards
Try to fill out cite web as fully as possible. Authors, publishers, access date, date of publication, format.
VG FAs and VG GAs are a good place to look for ideas.

I know it's a lot, but I'll wait.--Clyde (talk) 23:29, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Wow. My First GA promotion is being bombed. Don't admins have anything better to do?

Anyway, I do not understand how there is a lack of crit when we have a section about it. About Images, I have spoken about this, and it will be done, as soon as I can find someone who can do it properly. Development: Your problem was completly POV. "A game like Smash"? Do we really need a huge section? Besides, what info is there? A bunch of rumors. And since when was a score of 79% not positive? For the time, Smash was something "out there" and unheard of in gaming, so of course critics will be caught off guard. Look, if the admins think its such a horible article, then it should have promoted in the first place. Good day. Quatreryukami 01:59, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

First, I'm not an admin, I'm just a guy who was bored and found this article. The guy who passed this article is not an admin either, he just found this article and passed it. I took care of the image problem, but others still exist. I think a peer review would have been a better idea than going straight to GA.

I worked on an article that was my opus, much like you with this, and I understand why you feel under attack. I'm not taking this to GAR unless it's absolutely necessary, which I don't think will be the case at this point. What I did here was the peer review out of order. However these things should be taken care for the good of the article.

"Your problem was completly POV." No it's not. Look at some good articles like Metroid Prime or F.E.A.R. for example. Look at the general size and amount of info that editors are finding for those games. You misunderstand my point. A game like smash should have a lot out there about the development, as opposed to having to dig a lot. Since it's an N64 game, you'll have to dig anyway, and you may not find much. I am currently working on 1080° Snowboarding, and there is not a lot out there about development for N64 games. However, I found something. See what's out there for your project.

As to reception, my point that with scores averaging at 79%, there must have been complaints or they'd all be 100%, which is how you make it look from the article. If smash was ""out there" and unheard of in gaming" then find a source and include that. I know you must know a lot about this game. Try to transfer as much constructive information as you can into the article.

No admin thought it was horrible. In fact, no one thinks it's horrible (there are plenty of articles in that category trust me) and we are both here to make the encyclopedia better. Let's work together, and maybe the day will be a good one.--Clyde (talk) 03:04, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I came off like that. You just caught me on a bad day.:D.

As for your tips, I'll begin research right away. Not as much untill tonite, when I get home, cuz the school blocks any good sites. Suprised wiki isn't blocked, actually. Quatreryukami 15:08, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Added some refs and sections on Single Player and Multiplayer. Quatreryukami 15:46, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

No hard feelings. We all have them. I'll try to assist more if I can, and finished off the first reference you added. Looks good.--Clyde (talk) 22:19, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Good Article Review

This article is being reviewed; many of the problems brought up were adressed, but obviously it wasn't enough for whoever delisted. Quatreryukami 15:53, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Brawl

There is a picture released on google images of all the characters available, and I just wanted to know if anyone knows who Black Shadow is.--Gundor Twintle Fluffy 18:44, 12 June 2007 (UTC)