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' == Donetsk republic staff == Please vote to Delete this Article in table below discussion in Voting Area [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Donetsk_People's_Republic]] --[[User:Ipadm|Ipadm]] ([[User talk:Ipadm|talk]]) 15:28, 7 April 2014 (UTC) == Donetsk Republic (organization) == Dont be redundant please. If you mention that the organization was banned in 2007, do it on the first paragraph of the article or in the last one, but not in both, as that simply redundant.--[[User:HCPUNXKID|<font color="Purple">HC</font>]][[User_talk:HCPUNXKID|<font color="Gold">PUNX</font>]]<font color="Purple">KID</font> 22:08, 8 April 2014 (UTC) :it's not redundant to have a mention in the lede and then have expanded info in the history section. --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 22:10, 8 April 2014 (UTC) == [[Draft:2014 Ukrainian crisis]] == As I mentioned at [[Talk:2014 pro-Russian protests in Ukraine]], I'd like to start a new summary article to deal with the vast scope of the Ukrainian crisis, and direct people to the appropriate places. I've started such a draft at [[Draft:2014 Ukrainian crisis]], and could use your valuable help in getting it up to snuff. Please do assist in that regard. I've given my proposal more detail at the pro-Russian protests article talk page. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 20:12, 9 April 2014 (UTC) : awesome, ill try to take a look in a bit --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 20:16, 9 April 2014 (UTC) * My apologies for the accidental reverts. Was having edit conflicts, because we were both editing at the same time. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 01:02, 10 April 2014 (UTC) : no problem! --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 01:03, 10 April 2014 (UTC) == Disruptive editing == Please stop your disruptive editing, personal attacks, and soapboxing. [[WP:DISRUPT]] Your comments are not helpful: "''Which part was bombastic? Armed rebels have indeed taken the SBU building and are holding hostages and have planted explosives in the building. This is the [[Die Hard]] definition of terrorism, I don't think I exaggerated.''" You could perhaps refer to [[WP:TERRORIST]]. Lurking in the Talk pages of articles that you don't like, and insulting everyone who don't think like you is not a good way to advance your ideas. Just my 2 cents. Anyway, I apologize if I insulted you in any way. I will stop replying to your posts. Have a nice day.[[User:Cmoibenlepro|Cmoibenlepro]] ([[User talk:Cmoibenlepro|talk]]) 14:48, 10 April 2014 (UTC) :: I fail to see how stating facts is either disruptive, or "lurking in talk pages of articles I don't like". I'm not insulted, I'm just confused how you arrived at these bizarre conclusions. Is this because I pointed you you appear to be an [[WP:SPA]]? Just calling a [[WP:SPADE|spade a spade]].--'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 14:49, 10 April 2014 (UTC) :Ok then forget it. I forgive you. [[User:Cmoibenlepro|Cmoibenlepro]] ([[User talk:Cmoibenlepro|talk]]) 14:54, 10 April 2014 (UTC) == [[:File:RSA by pro-Russians.png]] == I'd like to update this map, but Inkscape isn't letting me select the various different oblasts, for whatever reason. Do you know what program was used to make it, so that I can update it? [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 14:52, 11 April 2014 (UTC) :: I didnt make that one, looks like someone used a color fill tool but the tolerance was set too low so all those orange borders were left over. I'd suggest making a new one. —'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 14:55, 11 April 2014 (UTC) :Got it. Which is the base map used by it? It is the same one as the 'Russian protests' one, but I can't find one without any colouring. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 15:13, 11 April 2014 (UTC) ==FYI== :*[[Anastasia Dmitruk|FYI]], just created - if you are interested. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 18:36, 11 April 2014 (UTC) ==URLs== Please cover URLs you are citing.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Donetsk_People%27s_Republic&curid=42425747&diff=603929473&oldid=603924110] Covered URLs are more reader friendly, and they make it possible to update the URLs when the websites restructure.--[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 21:23, 12 April 2014 (UTC) : I do sometimes, but not always. Can always be cleaned up later.--'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 21:24, 12 April 2014 (UTC) == Your nazi analogies == Please refrain from discussing the use of nazi analogies in the [[Talk:Donetsk People's Republic]]. I find this highly offensive. This is your last warning, or I will report you to [[WP:ANI]]. Thank you. [[Image:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|alt=Stop icon]] You may be '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]] without further warning''' the next time you [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|vandalize]] Wikipedia. <!-- Template:uw-vandalism4 --> : You're offended by me quoting your edit summaries? Now that's a new one. What do you intend to report me for?--'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 23:27, 12 April 2014 (UTC) [[Image:Ambox notice.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. <!--Template:ANI-notice--> Thank you.[[User:Cmoibenlepro|Cmoibenlepro]] ([[User talk:Cmoibenlepro|talk]]) 23:50, 12 April 2014 (UTC) <div style="border-style:solid; border-color:green; background-color:lightyellow; border-width:3px; text-align:left; padding:9px;" class="plainlinks">[[Image:Pork pie.jpg|100px|left]] Toddy1 has given you a [[Pork pie]]. Pork pies are full of meaty goodness, and are wonderfully delicious! On Wikipedia, they promote love and [[Wikipedia:Assume good faith|sincerity]]. Hopefully, this one has made your day happier. Spread the goodness and sincerity of pork pies by adding {{tls|Pork Pie}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message! Give one to someone you've had disagreements with in the past, or to a good friend. <br /> {{clear}} </div><!-- Template:Pork Pie --> == You win == You must be proud. You win. I asked Wikipedia to officially close my account. Congratulations. [[User:Cmoibenlepro|Cmoibenlepro]] ([[User talk:Cmoibenlepro|talk]]) 21:19, 13 April 2014 (UTC) <div style="border-style:solid; border-color:green; background-color:lightyellow; border-width:3px; text-align:left; padding:9px;" class="plainlinks">[[Image:Pork pie.jpg|100px|left]] Cmoibenlepro has given you a [[Pork pie]]. Pork pies are full of meaty goodness, and are wonderfully delicious! On Wikipedia, they promote love and [[Wikipedia:Assume good faith|sincerity]]. Hopefully, this one has made your day happier. Spread the goodness and sincerity of pork pies by adding {{tls|Pork Pie}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message! Give one to someone you've had disagreements with in the past, or to a good friend. <br /> {{clear}} </div><!-- Template:Pork Pie --> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzERkz000Ts Ya'll come back] --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 21:27, 13 April 2014 (UTC) Just want to archive some of these gems: {{quotation|I am asking for closing my account. Forever. Reason: I am personally targeted by the nationalistic hatred of User:Lvivske, as everyday he would bully me, and comment everything I ever posted. I was harassed, threatened, and slandered as I was supposedly against his nationalistic Ukrainian POV. I do not understand why I tried to ask for help in the page Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Trolling editor Lvivske, but I was not helped. On the opposite, he continued to troll me on that page. I want to end this.}} {{quotation|I am crying now... I just said that he wanted to see a connection between this article and this incident, and he'd liked to put it. I never wanted to say anything more. Please stop talking to me and I will never again go to your User page or post anything on Wikipedia. PLEASE STOP HARASSING AND BULLYING ME, AS YOU ARE DOING RIGHT NOW Your current comments about me are driving me crazy.}} {{quotation|Could you please stop talking to me? I am begging you! Please, I could not sleep because you are all against me, and I feel bullied, threatened and insulted. This is not funny at all. Please stop your personal attacks against me. This is only what I ask. I want to be in security when I post to wikipedia without being harassed. Please stop, I will never go to your talk page again, I promise.}} :: Hey, can I save some of these for further generations? [[User:Ali-al-Bakuvi|Ali-al-Bakuvi]] ([[User_talk:Ali-al-Bakuvi|talk]]) 17:04, 22 April 2014 (UTC) == Removal of Kosovo == I'm sorry, but it's neither WP:SYNTH nor OR, it's official point by [[President of Russia|Russian head of state]], from [[Kremlin.ru|his official site]]. Why do you remove it? [[User:Seryo93|Seryo93]] ([[User talk:Seryo93|talk]]) 06:56, 14 April 2014 (UTC) : the section was on legal aspects of the situation itself, not historical analogies.--'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 07:32, 14 April 2014 (UTC) ::This ''is'' legal aspect (even if disputed by the West), because Court noted that "Intl' law contains no prohibiton of self-determination", therefore it's "not necessary to comply with national law" and Russia now uses this ruling as a legal (or politico-legal) argument against Ukrainian claims (see also [[Declaration of Independence of the Republic of Crimea]], which ''explicitly'' referrend to this [[International Court of Justice advisory opinion on Kosovo's declaration of independence|decision]]). This argument (or at least link to Kosovo precedent) must stay, in my opinion, because it plays too significant role in these events to be ignored. And for "not historical analogies": they sometimes become legal aspect too, see [[precedent]] article. Bests, [[User:Seryo93|Seryo93]] ([[User talk:Seryo93|talk]]) 11:46, 14 April 2014 (UTC) ==idiot== My God, if you really are an idiot if you think that your lies and propaganda can fool someone? 500-600 protesters, they are supported by 15% of the people, the junta's "government" ... A month ago you lay down to sleep in Ukraine and woke up without Crimea and good night because free people of Dombas (in all cities) cleaned the fascist scum from their cities! Do you dare to bet that next week you will not edit protests against the junta in free Dombas? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/188.2.93.233|188.2.93.233]] ([[User talk:188.2.93.233|talk]]) 03:01, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> The main protesters requirement is defense of democracy from the junta who has destroyed democracy and made ​​a coup. The second requirement is the defense of press freedom since the junta closed 40 TV and radio stations, the third requirement is a referendum on the federalization of the state, fourthrequest ban of fascist law of Russian language (which is the mother tongue of the majority of citizens of Ukraine) but idiots like you create lies and propaganda, have never read the requirements of demonstrators and because of these idiots Donbas 4.5 million people, 2.5 million people of Lugansk and 3.5 million citizens of the Kharkiv area wants a democratic referendum. Of course, do not count Crimea because Crimea is another continent in relation to the junta in Kiev (democratic referendum is a wonderful thing) and Odessa, Dnipropetrovsk and other south-east are 50:50 for federalization. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/188.2.93.233|188.2.93.233]] ([[User talk:188.2.93.233|talk]]) 03:22, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :Look who is talking! First of all my friend here doesn't even live in Ukraine, and two, he is definitely not an idiot. Just because he might be wrong somewhere doesn't mean you should call him names. By the way, read our policy regarding [[WP:AGF|assuming good faith]] and [[WP:NPA|personal attacks]] before ever calling anyone an ''idiot'' here.--[[User:Mishae|Mishae]] ([[User talk:Mishae|talk]]) 03:32, 15 April 2014 (UTC) :: The IP user above has been inserting uncited rubbish and vandalizing articles (ie, changing figures and altering words from cited material) to push a pro-Russian POV that has no basis in reality. Just another day fighting the good fight, I guess. --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 04:07, 15 April 2014 (UTC) So, some man from a New Zenlad, Canada, Australia or other places where poor people emigrate knows "truth" about democratic protests in southeastern Ukraine, called them separatists and junta (who destroyed democracy) called "government", never read their demands (probably in Canada and Australia are not able to do so) but that it does not bother him to write nonsense and insult democratic protests. Video from Odessa where protesters (who defending democracy and freedom of the press and the fundamental right on mother language ) go to the harbor to protest against USA destroyer is not a good source for him in Canada and he knows the truth, an article from the southeast which says that 25 VDV Brigade crossed on the side of the people against the junta is not a good source for him in Australia and he knows that no one supports the protesters. Clips of tens of thousands of protesters in Donetsk and Kharkov for him are not source, clips of Berkut on the side of the people against the junta is not source, clips of police Colonel and all police officers in Slovanske who moved on people side against junta for him are not the source. Stupidity "few hundred protesters", "supporting 10% of the population", junta is "government" , insulting people who struggle against the junta on a democratic way and looking for a democratic referendum for federalization calling separatists is cheap propaganda of a man who is far away 25000km from free part of Ukraine and has no idea what's going on and turns wiki in cheap propaganda as Local TV station from Lviv. Yutube is an excellent source and if Radio Canada says several hundred protesters, perhaps the media in Donetsk Republic say 1 million Protestants but video can not lie. If a police colonel, all police officers, Berkut ... on video say that stood by the people against the junta then this is an excellent source and if Sydney radio or Kharkiv news may tell a different story the video does not lie. Wicki is not owned by junta that one man chooses source that he likes, to insult democratic protesters and to spread propaganda and brutal lies. When one man from Lviv thinks possess all and that can decide which is good source and who is not good, and to write propaganda and ban people who think differently, then this man first wake up without the Crimea and the next day without Donbas, Lugansk, Odesa, Kharkiv ... <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/188.2.93.233|188.2.93.233]] ([[User talk:188.2.93.233|talk]]) 04:31, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> : junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 04:34, 15 April 2014 (UTC) You have to try harder to make money because you know the truth: "Separatists are mercenaries each received $ 500 to protests" : Correct, they get $500 and those who stand around and hold up signs get $42. It's a sad bunch. —'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 04:44, 15 April 2014 (UTC) ::Do they get paid in [[Donetsk People's Dollars]]? [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 04:56, 15 April 2014 (UTC) ::: [http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/4/10/burger-king-crimeasanctions.html Burger King coupons]--'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 04:58, 15 April 2014 (UTC) :Smooth. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 05:00, 15 April 2014 (UTC) Well, you could become a millionaire in demonstrations instead you emigrated .Now i see that RT is not a reliable source for you but do not have a problem with the voice of Ukraine! Voice of Ukraine is the property of the junta, funded by the junta and editorial policy make junta. Russia has no state capital in RT, state does not poses RT, Russia does not make the editorial policy of the RT.Russia does not participate directly in the conflict in southeastern Ukraine, but the junta is in conflict with the citizens of Ukraine You in the West should learn that fascism will not pass and if you have not learned as an immigrant you can go back to the free territory of southeast because fascism does not pass here! Sorry I have better things to do than to argue with emigrant who doing the dirty work in the west and produces dirty propaganda for the junta online! Free people of Dombas create Dombas Republic and it's a little significant job than your writing propaganda on wiki. In Kiev people called junta "Facebook government" , you're writing propaganda for junta, so called Prime Minister has imaginary world... Fascism of information age Greetings from the democratic parts of Ukraine who is independent from the junta. Folk wisdom says, "independent as Crime" :) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/188.2.93.233|188.2.93.233]] ([[User talk:188.2.93.233|talk]]) 05:07, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> : [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbbd-9Pv9ZU Eight! Eight juntas! ah ah ah ah] --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 05:11, 15 April 2014 (UTC) When the gang make a coup, destroying democracy, parliament beating opponents, crush 40 media, fire on their own people, introduce fascist laws on language, sends the fascists in schools to teach children to hate, expressed gold reserves abroad and imported foreign mercenaries (and director of the CIA command).... then the whole world calls this gang junta. I personally enjoy watching online brave fascists who later whine and cry , " we have lost all the cities in Lugansk area and Dombas . Crimea is another continent, in Odessa 15000 demonstrate against the junta ... "," In Kharkov young fascists do not walk, but go on knees "... There was once average state with average problems and then junta made coup and average state does not exist, but there are a few new ones. People of southeast it will not destroy the junta because they will be second states but ordinary people from fascist western Ukraine will destroy JUNTA when understand what they had before the coup and now that Ukraine does not exist and that the junta has increased prices by 50% and salaries and pensions reduced. People in the Southeast wanted a federation of Ukraine, because love Ukraine more then fascists in the west of the country, but junta began to shoot on the people and at the end junta will dream of federalization because southeast will leave Ukraine only because today's behavior of junta. Think about this for half a year. This is a consequence of this behavior as you do "lie and write crap because you think that you can do that without consequences and when reality smacking your foreheadthen it is too late". Generally, ask yourself the question for six months "if federalization was a better solution, but this is what is happening now" Over and out <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/188.2.93.233|188.2.93.233]] ([[User talk:188.2.93.233|talk]]) 05:50, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :9 juntas and 6 fascists that time. Nice. --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 06:11, 15 April 2014 (UTC) ::Your IP editor is from Servia, not Ukraine. So he/she is outside Ukraine just like the people in Australia and New Zealand he/she complains about.--[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 07:06, 15 April 2014 (UTC) :::First of all, Lvivske, you shouldn't provoke this discussion by laughing and counting the number of times he says ''junta'' and/or ''fascists'' it will just escalate a conflict between you two. Instead, try to explain him the rules and guidelines as I did. :::Now, to the anonymous user: First, please understand that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not news agency (although I heard otherwise, like it can even be a political force, but it was just rumours on the net). Second, please take a note that [[Wikipedia:Content disclaimer|Wikipedia can contain information with which your views might disagree]]. Third, [[YouTube]] is not a source, as well as [[tweeter]] and personal blogs, see our guideline on it[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NEWSBLOG#Sources_that_are_usually_not_reliable here]. Four, everyone is [[Wikipedia:Introduction|welcome]] to [[Wikipedia:Be bold|contribute]] to Wikipedia as long as you abide by [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|the rules]]. And last but not least, as a personal note, I am an immigrant too. I was born in Russia but then moved to USA, and it doesn't mean that I am not welcomed here. As far as ''fascists'' go, people in Western Ukraine are not the same ''fascists'' which were there 60 years ago. In fact, they fought against Germans, but also fought against Soviets and Poles, because they wanted their Western part to be independent from the rest of the USSR.--[[User:Mishae|Mishae]] ([[User talk:Mishae|talk]]) 14:28, 15 April 2014 (UTC) ::::I'm not going to waste my time arguing with another IP troll. I'd much rather count the juntas.--'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 14:31, 15 April 2014 (UTC) :::::Good exercise before going to bed, instead of [[counting sheep]], [[Wikipedia:Counting juntas|count juntas]]. {{smiley}}--[[User:Mishae|Mishae]] ([[User talk:Mishae|talk]]) 15:16, 15 April 2014 (UTC) ::{{u|Lvivske}}, thumbs up on dealing with the weirdo junta-man. [[User:Aleksandr Grigoryev|Aleksandr Grigoryev]] ([[User talk:Aleksandr Grigoryev|talk]]) 01:53, 20 April 2014 (UTC) ==[[Oleksandr Turchynov]]== Hi dear friend, can you be kind to check if my [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Oleksandr_Turchynov&diff=604248561&oldid=604246349 edit here] is correctly written? Many thanks. Yours,--[[User:Mishae|Mishae]] ([[User talk:Mishae|talk]]) 03:32, 15 April 2014 (UTC) :Thanks for the fix. I was a bit confused on what term to use when it came to pro-Russian thing. Like, called them separatists will spark outrage, I thought, and mob wasn't as good as I thought, so thanks for calling them ''insurgents'' since that's the most common term, but it still might be disputed because insurgency is name for what's going on in Iraq and on Afghan-Pakistani border. I personally, wont dispute it, I care less, but bear it in mind. Thanks a ton again!--[[User:Mishae|Mishae]] ([[User talk:Mishae|talk]]) 14:34, 15 April 2014 (UTC) ::Insurgency is the correct term, as is separatists (they want to separate, yes? it's as simple as that). Users on the other end of the spectrum will want to whtiewash it and call them "activists" and "protesters" even if they have guns and bombs, which I think shouldn't be catered to. There's being neutral and then there's just ignoring reality to make everyone happy, and that doesn't tell the story correctly.--'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 14:36, 15 April 2014 (UTC) :::Hi again, can you kindly check my update to above article so that everything will be in correct English? Many thanks.--[[User:Mishae|Mishae]] ([[User talk:Mishae|talk]]) 17:21, 15 April 2014 (UTC) ::::The above article apparently was vandalized by an anonymous user, can you kindly check?--[[User:Mishae|Mishae]] ([[User talk:Mishae|talk]]) 22:37, 15 April 2014 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification for April 15== Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. 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I'm usually on top of reviewing material but that gap where I took a break is where the 'refurb' stuff came in in small doses --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 19:16, 16 April 2014 (UTC) *By the way, should we include anything about the supposed/non-existent Odessa People's Republic in the unrest article? I feel like we should at least have a mention of the fiasco, as the [[Odessa People's Republic]] article is likely to be deleted. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 19:36, 16 April 2014 (UTC) ::I'd only mention it if it were real, otherwise relegate the snafu to the timeline. if it was just an internet hoax then its not worth being the be-all-end-all of odessa activity, ya know? --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 19:49, 16 April 2014 (UTC) :::Yeah, the timeline seems appropriate. 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Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-biog2 --> The source doesn't say [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Viktor_Yanukovych&diff=604627553&oldid=604626817 this]. And I suspect you know it already. --[[User:Moscow Connection|Moscow Connection]] ([[User talk:Moscow Connection|talk]]) 18:49, 17 April 2014 (UTC) : The quote is verbatim from the source. I want to assume good faith but this is twice now you'd said this, so flatly you are lying now and blanking content. --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 18:52, 17 April 2014 (UTC) :: It's resolved: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&diff=604637057&oldid=604636442]. It was probably due to some regional filtering or something. We didn't see the same page. Let's talk on the notification board. (I've already explained there why the information I removed and you re-added was incorrect.)<br />If you remove the warning section on my talk page with some edit summary explaining it was due to regional filtering or a mistake or misunderstanding or something, I will remove this section on your talk page too. --[[User:Moscow Connection|Moscow Connection]] ([[User talk:Moscow Connection|talk]]) 20:45, 17 April 2014 (UTC) == User talk page edit request == Howdy, This message is being sent to multiple recipients. I've semiprotected the article [[Arseniy Yatsenyuk]] due to an ongoing edit war. In the future, please contact the IP on the [[User talk:71.39.6.142|talk page]] to prevent further edit wars. Please let me know if you have any questions! [[User:Nakon|<font color="#C50">'''Nakon'''</font>]] 06:22, 19 April 2014 (UTC) == [[Yekaterina Gubareva]] == Your argument could be used for [[Pavel Gubarev]] the same way or for Aksyonov, or the [[2014 Crimean referendum]]. [[User:Aleksandr Grigoryev|Aleksandr Grigoryev]] ([[User talk:Aleksandr Grigoryev|talk]]) 01:39, 20 April 2014 (UTC) : we have an article on Aksyonov's wife? --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 02:06, 20 April 2014 (UTC) ::If you are going to turn the stub article on the wife into a redirect to the husband, then you need to have some stuff about her in the article on the husband.--[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 02:43, 20 April 2014 (UTC) ::: I didn't turn it into a redirect...I PROD'd it.--'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 02:45, 20 April 2014 (UTC) ::::Thanks.--[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 09:13, 20 April 2014 (UTC) ==Please refer to the talking page== and don't delete user contributes, I suggest you not to participate in [[WP:WAR]] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_people_killed_during_Euromaidan&action=history <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Wrant|Wrant]] ([[User talk:Wrant|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Wrant|contribs]]) 09:11, 21 April 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> : my explanation was in the edit summary, this content was removed from other pages already --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 19:06, 21 April 2014 (UTC) :: The content is reliable [[WP:RS], the article represents only one POV. I suggest you not to participate in [[WP:WAR]]. And again refer to the talking page if you have any evidence that the source is unreliable. --[[User:Wrant|Wrant]] ([[User talk:Wrant|talk]]) 20:07, 21 April 2014 (UTC) :::Weirdly enough, the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_people_killed_during_Euromaidan&action=history article talk page history] shows edits by Lvivske, but none by Wrant. Wrant, you also need to be writing on the talk page, explaining why your edit should stick. To incentivise you, if I find that you have not posted anything on the article talk page, I will revert your edit. You <u>both</u> should be discussing edits on the article talk page, not just one of you as now.--[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 20:16, 21 April 2014 (UTC) ::: Indeed it does, but I am not familiar that every edit needs an own talk page remark. Further the used source is already in use by the German Wikipedia so I don't see who this source is in anyway unreliable. --[[User:Wrant|Wrant]] ([[User talk:Wrant|talk]]) 21:51, 21 April 2014 (UTC) :::: what a german news source speculates on is irrelevant clutter. That german-wiki has it doesn't mean this should have it per WP:OTHERSTUFF --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 23:58, 21 April 2014 (UTC) :::::What do you pretend? That ARD is unreliable? We have many [[9/11 conspiracy theories|werid speculations]], but we not always remove them. [[User:Seryo93|Seryo93]] ([[User talk:Seryo93|talk]]) 07:45, 22 April 2014 (UTC) == Question about Soviet soldiers (in [[2014 Ukrainian revolution]]) == {{Question}} Dear colleague, how "who fought against [[Nazi Germany]] in [[World War II]]" implies "liberation"? I don't see this, because [[fighting]] ([[combat]]) can be carried by any army (either "occupying" or "liberating"). And they [[Combat|fought]] against Nazi Germany, either way (see [[Eastern Front (World War II)]], known as [[:uk:Німецько-радянська війна|German-Soviet war]] in ukwiki and [[:ru:Великая Отечественная война|Great Patriotic War]] in Russia). [[User:Seryo93|Seryo93]] ([[User talk:Seryo93|talk]]) 07:41, 22 April 2014 (UTC) : it's highly controversial since it says its a statue for fighting nazis, but the soviet union annexed that territory too. Rather than go back and forth on which POV is correct, just leave all POV out and state its a military statue. --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 16:08, 23 April 2014 (UTC) also by saying it's a statue for fighting Nazi Germany, it implies it was removed because people were pro-Nazi, when in fact it was removed because it was a symbol of occupation. --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 16:10, 23 April 2014 (UTC) ==People's Republic of Odessa article history== [[People's Republic of Odessa]] - This might interest you: *07:59, 22 April 2014‎ Toddy1 . . . . (Nominate for speedy deletion - recreation of deleted article see [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Odessa People's Republic]]) *07:45, 22 April 2014‎ Toddy1. . . . (Undid revision 605229779 by ArmijaDonetsk (talk) revert redirect to dead link) *00:56, 22 April 2014‎ ArmijaDonetsk . . (37 bytes) (-5,445)‎ . . (←Redirected page to Odessa People's Republic) *19:28, 21 April 2014‎ Lihaas . . . . (→‎top: spelt out, i hope) *19:26, 21 April 2014‎ Lihaas . . . . (→‎See also: ol) *19:26, 21 April 2014‎ Lihaas . . . . (→‎History) *19:25, 21 April 2014‎ Lihaas . . . . (←Created page with '{{Use dmy dates|date=April 2014}} {{Infobox country |conventional_long_name=People's Republic of Odessa |native_name= Одеса наро́дная респу́...') --[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 08:12, 22 April 2014 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification for April 22== Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited [[Donetsk People's Republic]], you added links pointing to the disambiguation pages [[Romani]] and [[Junta]] ([[tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Donetsk_People%27s_Republic|check to confirm]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Donetsk_People%27s_Republic|fix with Dab solver]]). 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Thanks, [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 14:03, 23 April 2014 (UTC) :: good idea, it's really needed at this point. --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 15:02, 23 April 2014 (UTC) ::Can you help me with adding in information related to the crisis? I'm working on it now, but I'm not sure how to parse out which bits of information to move. I'll prepare a second draft for the post-split Donetsk People's Republic article after I've finished with this one. Also, I was wondering which infobox to use: civil conflict, or military conflict? [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 15:35, 23 April 2014 (UTC) ::: good question, it kinda covers both...i'd say military conflict since the one side is mostly paramilitary groups, that is, if we want to focus on the violence and not the protesters (but we have the pro-russia article to deal with the protest movement). I'll try to help but am a bit busy at the moment.--'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 16:06, 23 April 2014 (UTC) == Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in. == [[File:Peacedove.svg|60px|left]] This message is being sent to let you know of a discussion at the [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard]] regarding a content dispute discussion you may have participated in. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult for editors. 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Putin already acknowledged that the "green men" in Crimea were his Armed Forces. Heck, there is even a medal of taking over Crimea (Feb 20 - Mar 18). Note the dates of operations which started before Yanukovych ran away from Ukraine. Russia is using terrorist tactics in Ukraine. [[User:Aleksandr Grigoryev|Aleksandr Grigoryev]] ([[User talk:Aleksandr Grigoryev|talk]]) 15:33, 26 April 2014 (UTC) == [[Igor Strelkov (GRU)]] == On April 26, 2014 Strelkov gave an exclusive interview to the [[Komsomolskaya Pravda]]. Search warrant as itself, of course, is not notable. He however is the leader of militia in Sloviansk. SBU made colossal amount of investigation on that matter. There are some 25 GRU agents that are already in the SBU's custody ([http://tyzhden.ua/News/108326 In Ukraine, the security services have arrested more than 25 saboteurs GRU RF]. [[The Ukrainian Week]]. April 24, 2014) and confirmed the fact that Strelkov is heading all the covert operations in the [[East Ukraine]]. Too bad [[Rueters]] chooses not follow on those facts and question the sources of SBU information. [[User:Aleksandr Grigoryev|Aleksandr Grigoryev]] ([[User talk:Aleksandr Grigoryev|talk]]) 15:22, 26 April 2014 (UTC) ==Article of interest== Have you seen [https://www.rusi.org/downloads/assets/UKRANIANMILITARYDISPOSITIONS_RUSIBRIEFING.pdf this English think-tank briefing paper]?--[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 20:55, 29 April 2014 (UTC) :: I have not but I'll try to give it a read, thanks! --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 21:02, 29 April 2014 (UTC) Did you see the [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27231649 BBC article] about the "green men"? There was an English language statement: "In an interview with the Russian tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda last weekend, Commander "Strelkov" claimed that "more than half, or maybe two-thirds" of his force were Ukrainians."--[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 06:44, 2 May 2014 (UTC) :: yeah, included it all in the Sloviansk article under the identity of militants section --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 06:47, 2 May 2014 (UTC) == ITN credit == {{tmbox |tyle = notice |small = |image = [[File:Gnome globe current event.svg|30px|Current events globe]] |text = On 3 May 2014, '''''[[:Template:In the news|In the news]]''''' was updated with an item that involved the article '''''[[Siege of Sloviansk]]''''', which you substantially updated. 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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/EkoGraf&offset=&limit=500&target=EkoGraf This dude], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Arbutus_the_tree&dir=prev&target=Arbutus+the+tree this dude] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/SkoraPobeda this dude] look like the same person, and I noticed earlier a whole bunch of other accounts whose topics of interest are limited to the crisis in Ukraine and the war in Syria exclusively.[[User:Volunteer Marek|Volunteer Marek]] ([[User talk:Volunteer Marek|talk]]) 20:59, 3 May 2014 (UTC) :: that's how it usually starts. Go to make dinner and all hell breaks loose --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 21:22, 3 May 2014 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification for May 4== Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. 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[[User:Hhmb|Hhmb]] ([[User talk:Hhmb|talk]]) 01:08, 5 May 2014 (UTC) : you can not add a template unless a dispute is ongoing —'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 01:18, 5 May 2014 (UTC) ::The template is not a substitute for discussion. Unless you specify what the issue is on the talk page, it will be removed. I removed it earlier because the dispute of the editor who placed it was solved on the talk page. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 01:47, 5 May 2014 (UTC) == What do you make of this? == [http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/730400 This article] from [[ITAR-TASS]] says that there has been a western 'information blockade' on events going on in eastern Ukraine for the past couple of days. Obviously, we take what they say with a grain of salt. However, something that this article says is true. I've been keeping an eye on the OSCE website for a whole now, adding in their updates to the articles. Despite the fact that they issued a routine press release of updates on the situation each day since their mission has started, they stopped doing this after 30 April. There have been no daily updates since then, coinciding with the government counter-offensive. As such, we lack the kind of independent information they usually provide. I don't know what to make of it, to be honest. Perhaps there is some kind of an information blockade, or perhaps it is conspiracy junk. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 05:48, 5 May 2014 (UTC) :: Looks like typical whining. "No one knows that blood is being shed in Ukraine"? "troops are shooting unarmed people"? You may be on to something that there is a grain of truth to it (an OSCE blackout during the operation, seeing as the operation was also meant to release the OSCE military observers in Sloviansk) - but it seems to me that they took that pause in reporting and turned it into an international conspiracy / make Russian media look more credible vs. "the West" —'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 05:56, 5 May 2014 (UTC) :Of course, the usual bombastic propagandising is there. That might be a good explanation for the lack of OSCE reporting, though. It really surprised me when they never provided updates about the military operations in Donetsk, or the Odessa fire. They were very thorough before. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 06:01, 5 May 2014 (UTC) :: Seems they only made a small note of remorse [http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/118264 on Odessa]. I can totally see an agency like ITAR turning [http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/118269 "pleased to have been able to assist the Ukrainian authorities in the efforts that led to their release."] into "OSCE admits it is abetting fascist junta authorities in their attack on civilians in Sloviansk" --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 06:19, 5 May 2014 (UTC) ==Protection== I think we need to request full protection for the Odessa article. This is getting absurd, with the skewing of sources, but I'm not going to revert more and risk being blocked for it. Do you think you could do the requesting at [[WP:RPP]]? [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 01:46, 6 May 2014 (UTC) : why me? --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 01:48, 6 May 2014 (UTC) ::I've done most of the reverting, and I'd prefer not to be accused of asking for protection because of my involvement in a content dispute. However, I'll do it if you think it is appropriate. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 01:56, 6 May 2014 (UTC) == you're being talked about == [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sandstein#.D0.9B.D1.8C.D0.B2.D1.96.D0.B2.D1.81.D1.8C.D0.BA.D0.B5 Here]. [[User:Volunteer Marek|Volunteer Marek]] ([[User talk:Volunteer Marek|talk]]) 05:08, 6 May 2014 (UTC) :am aware. thanks. ugh. —'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 05:09, 6 May 2014 (UTC) *What a headache. At least the article is protected now… I would like to know where all these socks are coming from, though. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 05:38, 6 May 2014 (UTC) :: VK awareness groups? —'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 05:50, 6 May 2014 (UTC) :I think that's a bit too strong. There are plenty of reasonable and friendly Russians in the world. It seems, at the moment, we are merely attracting those who wish to [[WP:Right great wrongs|right great wrongs]]. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 05:57, 6 May 2014 (UTC) ::If you are surprised by this, maybe you should read [http://www.amazon.com/Led-Three-Lives-Communist-Counterspy/dp/B0006DEPDO this book]. The things described in the book were organised using 1940s technology. It is much easier to organise these things with 21st Century technology. The current demonstrations, the storming of buildings, etc. in Ukraine are organised. The method of organising that was most likely used is one called "directive control" or "auftragstaktik" (in connection with NATO/western military forces), or "democratic centralism" (in connection with the communist party). Basically, the central authority says what effect must be achieved, and local authorities have discretion about how they achieve it. It is a very effective method; it is not unique to the military and the communist party - for example central government in England has been using this method of controlling local government for more than 30 years. It should come as no surprise that Moscow-central also engages in information-operations in the virtual world; their predecessors always did such operations in the world of print media, radio, films, TV....--[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 07:09, 6 May 2014 (UTC) ::: How did we ever not get along? --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 07:13, 6 May 2014 (UTC) == Quick question == Hi. I hope you are doing well. Sorry to bother, but I have a quick question in regards to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Donetsk_People%27s_Republic&oldid=prev&diff=607246352 this change]. Could you please point to the location in the text where "Denis Pushilin initially '''confirmed''' that the flyers were distributed by his organization"? I somehow missed this part. Thank you. With regards, [[User:Oleg Yunakov|<font face="Segoe Script">Oleg. Y.</font>]] ([[User talk:Oleg Yunakov|talk]]). 20:03, 6 May 2014 (UTC) : No problem. It was directly from the original ynet article [http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4510688,00.html] I've fixed the reference in the article --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 20:26, 6 May 2014 (UTC) :: Thank you. Now it makes sense. With regards, [[User:Oleg Yunakov|<font face="Segoe Script">Oleg. Y.</font>]] ([[User talk:Oleg Yunakov|talk]]). 20:36, 6 May 2014 (UTC) == Your revert restriction == I may be misreading it, but aren't your edits to [[List of massacres in Ukraine]] covered by your 1RR/48hrs restriction? <b>[[User:Callanecc|Callanecc]]</b> ([[User talk:Callanecc|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Callanecc|contribs]] • [[Special:Log/Callanecc|logs]]) 16:03, 7 May 2014 (UTC) : i've lost track. I'd self rev but have already been reverted. --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 16:05, 7 May 2014 (UTC) ::Given that your recent appeal was declined so it's fresh in people's minds (which is the only reason I thought of it) you need to be very careful about reverting. <b>[[User:Callanecc|Callanecc]]</b> ([[User talk:Callanecc|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Callanecc|contribs]] • [[Special:Log/Callanecc|logs]]) 16:09, 7 May 2014 (UTC) ::: I prefer to see myself as [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ2hLSmJ9G0 a reckless cop on probation.] --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 16:21, 7 May 2014 (UTC) == People's Republic of Luhansk == Hi, Seeing as you initially created a map for the Donetsk Republic, I was just wondering if you have made a similar map for the so-called Luhansk Peoples Republic. Although there is not a separate article for this subject at this stage I don't think that it would necessarily be a bad idea to have a some a visual representation given that the Republic was 'established' 10 days ago. I have created a map I believe to be accurate however have been waiting for a separate article to be created before I thought it was appropriate to upload. Any comments? [[User:Lunch for Two|Lunch for Two]] ([[User talk:Lunch for Two|talk]]) 11:23, 9 May 2014 (UTC) == A barnstar for you! == {| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;" |rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Tireless Contributor Barnstar Hires.gif|100px]] |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Tireless Contributor Barnstar''' |- |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | seen you and RGloucester on the Ukraine unrest page a lot, keep it up [[User:Retartist|Retartist]] ([[User talk:Retartist|talk]]) 11:43, 9 May 2014 (UTC) |}'