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And, on consideration, for not joining in the drama. I am going to take some time with little activity, but I am coming to realize that your view of Wikipedia and its inhabitants has a lot of merit. I just haven't decided what to do about it yet. The project has merit, I wonder though about the people in it.--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 14:07, 30 June 2011 (UTC) : I think part of the problem with editor behavior (or behaviour) is that so many of the editors are steeped in the whole usenet confrontational approach. In other words, they are male geeks, and there is entirely too much "battleground" involved, along with "status" behavior. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 14:31, 30 June 2011 (UTC) :Funny Wehwalt, I was going to post a similar note for Malleus. Sometimes it's hard being here. The project is worthwhile, but wading through the crap - not worthwhile. [[User:Truthkeeper88|Truthkeeper88]] ([[User talk:Truthkeeper88|talk]]) 14:33, 30 June 2011 (UTC) :: I 'spose I'd best bite my tongue on the side effects of "wading through the crap", which is growing, and growing, and growing ... [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 14:36, 30 June 2011 (UTC) :::Unlike my watchlist, which I just pared back to 74, including no user or policy pages. If it isn't happening there, it isn't happening. I always watchlist my FAs. Do the math.--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 14:42, 30 June 2011 (UTC) ::::I just took hundreds of pages off my watchlist too. Something's going around. [[User:Truthkeeper88|Truthkeeper88]] ([[User talk:Truthkeeper88|talk]]) 14:49, 30 June 2011 (UTC) ::::: Going 'round? I recognized in December 2010 that the children and power hungry had effectively won, and substantially pared my watchlist back then. I mostly limit my concern now to BLPs, faulty medical info, and a few FAs. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Fat_Man_Who_Never_Came_Back&oldid=403629508#December_2010 The Day the Music Died] was long before WR put in their contribution. I 'spose if I'm not to join you all in frustration, I'll need to accept that babysitting is part of my job now. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 15:03, 30 June 2011 (UTC) ::::::I am hoping that what has been successful before for me, "If I don't see it, it doesn't bother me" will work. It's worth a try. I guess it says something about me, but frankly I don't know what I would do with my time if I wasn't here, and no, I no longer go to see that band, so there (the bassist proved to be a jerk, but I can't tell the story without it showing up on Perez Hilton).--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 15:15, 30 June 2011 (UTC) :Tony made some reasonable points in his review, just a shame he chose to do so sub-optimally. But I'm hardly one to be throwing that sort of stone. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 15:47, 30 June 2011 (UTC) :::I have made those changes in response to his screed that I felt appropriate, looking at it I hope dispassionately.--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 15:53, 30 June 2011 (UTC) :One of the reasons we are losing so many new editors is that the top brass are so abrasive. [[WP:DBAG]] is not observed nearly enough. And everyone's a contributor. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b><font color="#333">[[User:Resident Mario|Res]]</font></b><font color="#444">[[User_talk:Resident_Mario#top|Mar]]</font></span> 19:56, 30 June 2011 (UTC) ::Who, in your mind, are the "top brass"? [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 19:58, 30 June 2011 (UTC) :::A progressive classification based on the "size" of one's "wiki-penis". I consider myself a low middleweight. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b><font color="#333">[[User:Resident Mario|Res]]</font></b><font color="#444">[[User_talk:Resident_Mario#top|Mar]]</font></span> 20:09, 30 June 2011 (UTC) == David Wallis Reeves == Hi, Malleus. I just expanded [[David Wallis Reeves]] 5x, but I suspect it could be expanded quite a bit more, given what the sources I found indicated about his notability as a composer and bandleader in the late 19th century. I've taken it about as far as I'm comfortable doing, but is this something you'd have any interest in? --[[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|<span class="gfSarekSig">SarekOfVulcan (talk)</span>]] 15:04, 30 June 2011 (UTC) :I'm not interested in DYK if that's what you're asking. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 15:42, 30 June 2011 (UTC) ::No, I actually suspect this could be a GA eventually, since Sousa called him the "Father of Band Music in America". I just don't think I have the ability to get it there (or anywhere much further than it is) myself. It might be the type of thing more suited for a thesis after years of research than an encyclopedia article, but I figured I'd ask.--[[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|<span class="gfSarekSig">SarekOfVulcan (talk)</span>]] 16:32, 30 June 2011 (UTC) :::It's not a topic that immediately captures my imagination I'm afraid. Was he ever convicted of witchcraft, for instance? [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 17:33, 30 June 2011 (UTC) ::::Not that I've heard, but he did get in a nice row with the Sousa Band when they started poaching his best musicians. :-) --[[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|<span class="gfSarekSig">SarekOfVulcan (talk)</span>]] 17:34, 30 June 2011 (UTC) ::::: Sousa??? Sousa??? Blech. I played enough of his music in band... and as I was a french horn player, I found it incredibly boring ... basically "B C B C B C C C C" all in quarter or eighth notes as the mood struck him. Blech! Sousa should have been burned at the stake, that'd be good! [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 17:38, 30 June 2011 (UTC) ::::::Look on the bright side, you could have been a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM cello player in high school]... --[[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|<span class="gfSarekSig">SarekOfVulcan (talk)</span>]] 17:57, 30 June 2011 (UTC) :::::::LOL. Awesome. One of my best friends is a cellist. But she went to a nationally known fine arts magnet high school, then to college as a music theory major, so I don't think she had the same "wounded gazelle" feeling... [[User:Dana boomer|Dana boomer]] ([[User talk:Dana boomer|talk]]) 18:31, 30 June 2011 (UTC) :Lovely link =) <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b><font color="#333">[[User:Resident Mario|Res]]</font></b><font color="#444">[[User_talk:Resident_Mario#top|Mar]]</font></span> 20:12, 30 June 2011 (UTC) Please to be votin' for [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_sound_candidates/Myrrha_Gavotte ta Sousa Featured Sound]. There is even some Giano sex-n-culture mixed in. [[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User talk:TCO|talk]]) 03:46, 2 July 2011 (UTC) == Table vs. graphic, and [[Super Science Stories]] == Thanks for the IE fix. I thought I'd take a look at the way it renders in different browsers and noticed a couple of minor issues, so I've added a gallery to the sandbox talk page. Easy to forget that HTML is a markup language, with all the limitations that that implies. I'm going to leave the sandbox running and perhaps eventually all the issues will be fixed; I would rather not switch to a table (though I wouldn't revert someone who did switch it) until it's all resolved. On a related topic, I'm nearly done with ''[[Super Science Stories]]'', the article I mentioned at [[WT:FAC]] which contains a large chunk of text from ''[[Astonishing Stories]]''. I think if I were a reader coming to both articles I would prefer to find them with prose that appeared at least somewhat different, for variety if for no other reason. I've had a bit of a go at rewriting some of the material to present it differently but I'm finding it tough going, probably because I have the existing text in my mind as the result of previous editing (and your copyediting) and it's painful to deliberately veer away from something you know works well. Would you be willing to make a pass through once I've finished working on it? I still have some organization to do on the Contents section, and then I'll do another copyedit and look for MOS stuff, but if you're interested I should have it ready for you to look at today or tomorrow. I ask partly because you've done some excellent copyedits on my work in the past, and because you reviewed ''Astonishing Stories'', but if you don't fancy it that's fine -- I will just flog myself through it and see what I can manage. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] ([[User_talk:Mike Christie|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mike_Christie|contribs]] - [[User:Mike Christie/Reference library|library]]) 21:42, 2 July 2011 (UTC) :The best way of thinking about HTML as far as presentation is concerned is to remember that you're really just making suggestions to an undoubtedly buggy browser, and that all browsers have different bugs. Let me know when you're done with ''Astonishing Stories''. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 21:59, 2 July 2011 (UTC) :... and thinking about it a bit more, I think the balance has now swung in favour of the table rather than the graphic, based on accessibility issues. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 01:33, 3 July 2011 (UTC) ::Would that still be true if I added alt text saying e.g. "Editor Frederik Pohl from March 1940. March 1940 volume 1 number 1. May 1940 volume 1 number 2." etc.? Depending on what you say I'll either add alt text to the ''Super Science Stories'' graphics or replace them with tables. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] ([[User_talk:Mike Christie|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mike_Christie|contribs]] - [[User:Mike Christie/Reference library|library]]) 12:28, 3 July 2011 (UTC) :::That would represent a complete abuse of the purpose of alt text IMO. There was a great deal of misunderstanding on display last year when there was such a push to include elaborately descriptive alt texts, which I still see many mistakenly doing even today. The purpose of alt text isn't to ''describe'' the image but to act as concise and succinct ''alternative'' to it for those who either can't or choose not to see the image; a long alt text is therefore completely unhelpful to the reader, just so much distracting clutter. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 14:51, 3 July 2011 (UTC) ::::OK. I'll build the tables for ''Super Science Stories'' and add them in when they're done; once they're done I'll do it for ''Astonishing'' too. I wish we could get rid of the cell padding -- I made the graphics as small as possible in order to avoid collisions with section headings, and to allow space for magazine cover illustrations, and I hope we don't lose too much screen real estate with this change. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] ([[User_talk:Mike Christie|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mike_Christie|contribs]] - [[User:Mike Christie/Reference library|library]]) 16:40, 3 July 2011 (UTC) :::::''Increasing'' the cell padding is easy, but reducing it beyond what the browser considers to be the minimum required is next to impossible. Another option of course might to use SVG graphics instead of PNG, which would look crisper when scaled down. So long as the table isn't necessary for an understanding of the article (which I doubt) you could then argue that there's no accessibility issue and the graphic looks at least as good as the table; on the basis of the old saw: "When you're offered two choices, always take the third." [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 16:56, 3 July 2011 (UTC) ::::::Well, I don't really see an accessibility issue anyway, since the information is elsewhere in the article. The graphic is intended as a visual aid, not the only source of the information. I'm not sure I follow your "I doubt": do you doubt it's necessary or doubt it's not necessary? Yes, SVG would look better -- more of a pain to create but certainly doable. I might try that. But the pngs with the pixels specified to match the actual size are surely just as crisp? I've just started on the sandbox setup so I should have something to compare shortly. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] ([[User_talk:Mike Christie|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mike_Christie|contribs]] - [[User:Mike Christie/Reference library|library]]) 17:06, 3 July 2011 (UTC) :::::::I meant that I doubt the graphic is necessary for an understanding of the article, as you say, it's just a visual aid. But I'm not the one complaining at the FAC, that would be Tony1. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 17:23, 3 July 2011 (UTC) ::::::::I tend to be fairly agreeable to changes at FAC; I assume that others, with fresh eyes, are more likely to be neutral. On this point, though, I'm unconvinced, and I am tempted to leave the images in. The tables (and I really do appreciate the work you did on improving them, by the way) are much better than they were, but to my eyes they don't look as good and are much more of a pain to create. I've changed the first two images to tables in ''Super Science Stories'' now, and I just don't like them as much as the images. The caption requires a forced wrap with a <nowiki><br></nowiki> tag, which leads to additional line spacing, which I don't like either. Maybe I just don't want to change what I've been doing. Nobody's actually opposed on this point, and since it's just a visual aid, perhaps it wouldn't be a valid oppose. I suspect that some of the FAC comments I've seen about the images are made on the basis of things like [[WP:ACCESS]], without realizing that the data is also presented elsewhere. But then all FAC nominators tend to think they know the issues better than the reviewers, so I doubt my own judgement again. Sigh. Any advice? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] ([[User_talk:Mike Christie|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mike_Christie|contribs]] - [[User:Mike Christie/Reference library|library]]) 18:08, 3 July 2011 (UTC) :::::::::If it were me I'd stick with the images, but probably do them again as SVGs. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 18:14, 3 July 2011 (UTC) ::::::::::I think that's good advice; it's certainly worth seeing what the SVGs look like. I'll fire up Inkscape and try to remember how it works. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] ([[User_talk:Mike Christie|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mike_Christie|contribs]] - [[User:Mike Christie/Reference library|library]]) 18:18, 3 July 2011 (UTC) :::::::::::I created a draft but ran into an Inkscape problem; I've posted a note at the graphics workshop to ask how to get around it. I'll let you know when I get it fixed. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] ([[User_talk:Mike Christie|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mike_Christie|contribs]] - [[User:Mike Christie/Reference library|library]]) 11:47, 4 July 2011 (UTC) ::::::::::::I hope you don't mind if I stick my little oar in, but this should be an HTML table as this is exactly what tables were designed for. If the wikicode doesn't give you what you want then perhaps you should use pure HTML with proper CSS stylings to get the exact result you want. As for your SVG problem. The black boxes are being caused by the wiki software when it renders it down to a png thumbnail. The full size version doesn't have the black boxes. Just another reason why you should go the HTML route rather than the graphics route. Just a thought. --[[User:The Pink Oboe|The Pink Oboe]] ([[User talk:The Pink Oboe|talk]]) 13:10, 4 July 2011 (UTC) :::::::::::::The table already has "proper" CSS stylings, but there is no way to reduce the cell padding to the extent that Mike wants. Unless you know differently, of course. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 13:19, 4 July 2011 (UTC) ::::::::::::::None of the tables (that I checked) have their padding set to 0, a couple have the margin set at 2em, so I'm not sure what the problem is. Just set the padding to 0 in the styles section. I didn't check each and every table and I'm not sure which particular table is the problem. --[[User:The Pink Oboe|The Pink Oboe]] ([[User talk:The Pink Oboe|talk]]) 14:59, 4 July 2011 (UTC) :::::::::::::::The table is [[User:Mike Christie/Sandbox4|here]]. Setting the padding to 0 makes no difference. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 15:02, 4 July 2011 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::There's no padding set on that table. When it was tried did you set it for the table, row, column or cell? Has it been tried in proper HTML rather than wikitable? --[[User:The Pink Oboe|The Pink Oboe]] ([[User talk:The Pink Oboe|talk]]) 21:07, 4 July 2011 (UTC) :::::::::::::::::It's not set now because it made no difference. Try it for yourself and see. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 01:07, 5 July 2011 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::::I would if I knew what was trying to be achieved, the existing tables looked fine to me. --[[User:The Pink Oboe|The Pink Oboe]] ([[User talk:The Pink Oboe|talk]]) 18:08, 5 July 2011 (UTC) :::::::::::::::::::Mike wants less white space in each cell; compare the table with the graphic. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 18:15, 5 July 2011 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::::::In that case he shouldn't be setting the column width to an absolute value (30px) and then not setting the row height. Likewise setting the table margin to 2em will also introduce white space. In other words artificial padding is being introduced which is countering the padding setting. Similarly setting the font size to pixels instead of a percentage along with a row height will give fine control over the vertical white space. --[[User:The Pink Oboe|The Pink Oboe]] ([[User talk:The Pink Oboe|talk]]) 19:03, 5 July 2011 (UTC) :::::::::::::::::::::Try it, and you'll see that it makes no difference. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 19:56, 5 July 2011 (UTC) ::::::::::::Malleus, would you give me your opinion on [[:File:Local vs uploaded svg.gif|this]]? It shows a test svg at the top, as rendered on my local PC, and then below that is the same svg uploaded and rendered by Wikipedia. There are enough differences that I don't think this is an improvement: the font has been changed, for one thing, and the text is not as well centred inside the cells as I had it. What do you think? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] ([[User_talk:Mike Christie|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mike_Christie|contribs]] - [[User:Mike Christie/Reference library|library]]) 17:54, 4 July 2011 (UTC) :::::::::::::Something's gone horribly wrong with that second image, looks nothing like an SVG. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 19:21, 4 July 2011 (UTC) ::::::::::::::And I just noticed something else weird: [[:File:Test version of Canadian Super Science Stories issues grid.svg]] is the test image; if you click on it to get the preview page it looks mis-rendered but if you click through so it's rendered just by the browser it looks fine. I suspect the Wikipedia renderer is to blame. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] ([[User_talk:Mike Christie|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mike_Christie|contribs]] - [[User:Mike Christie/Reference library|library]]) 19:28, 4 July 2011 (UTC) :::::::::::::::What are you seeing differently, just that blocky background? [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 20:09, 4 July 2011 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::No -- it's the same as the difference shown in [[:File:Local vs uploaded svg.gif]]. The Wikipedia rendering at [[:File:Test version of Canadian Super Science Stories issues grid.svg]] looks like the uploaded (lower half) version in the gif -- wrong font, poor centring; if you click on that file to see [/media/wikipedia/en/a/af/Test_version_of_Canadian_Super_Science_Stories_issues_grid.svg the raw svg] as rendered by the browser with nothing else on the page, it looks like the local version (upper half of the gif). So it has to be a rendering engine issue. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] ([[User_talk:Mike Christie|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mike_Christie|contribs]] - [[User:Mike Christie/Reference library|library]]) 00:55, 5 July 2011 (UTC) :::::::::::::::::The SVG rendering engine in the Wikimedia software clearly isn't up to much, so I guess you're left with two options now. Either sit tight with the PNG images (nobody's actually opposed because of them yet) or bite the bullet and use the tables. Given those two options I'd be inclined to go for the tables, but obviously it's your call. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 01:05, 5 July 2011 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::::I think I'm going to stay with the PNGs; the table is close but I think with the thumb displayed at exactly the real pixels you don't get a resizing problem with the png. I wouldn't bet against opposes in the future; no doubt there will be further discussions in future FACs. Thank you for your help with this -- at least if consensus pushes me to use tables, I will know they look as good as they can be made to look. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] ([[User_talk:Mike Christie|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mike_Christie|contribs]] - [[User:Mike Christie/Reference library|library]]) 01:27, 5 July 2011 (UTC) :::OK, ''[[Super Science Stories]]'' is ready for you to take a look at. I'll make the alt text or table changes in a sandbox after you let me know what you think, and move them in when done. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] ([[User_talk:Mike Christie|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mike_Christie|contribs]] - [[User:Mike Christie/Reference library|library]]) 14:44, 3 July 2011 (UTC) == Thanks == Very kind of you. I never would have asked anyone to do it and was prepared to make it a matter of principle, but as I have no idea how I would fill the hours if not for Wikipedia, it's for the best. I don't want to leave and I don't want to run for Arbcom which I see as my only option if I stayed but didn't write. Now I better go take down those messages, apparently they freaked my sister out. Next few times someone asks you to do something you don't want to do, send them my way, I'll either block them or do whatever it is you don't care for doing, depending.--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 00:32, 3 July 2011 (UTC) :Content is king as far as I'm concerned, the only reason I'm here. You've done all the hard work and I think I can manage to move any remaining misplaced commas around. It's too close to give up on it now. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 01:10, 3 July 2011 (UTC) ::I wasn't going to, and I eventually would have gone through them all in detail, but 48 hours is just too fresh. And I agree on content, the rest isbackstage: vitally important, and great honour in doing it, but it's not the main attraction.--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 01:13, 3 July 2011 (UTC) :::Just remember this the next time someone tells you what an unpleasant arsehole I am, and demands that I'm ridden out of town. ;-) [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 01:19, 3 July 2011 (UTC) ::::I don't want you gone, Malleus, and if that isn't clear by now, I don't know how to make it clearer (well, possibly I just did). Us content geeks have to stick together, the project and our participation in it means more to us than it should, and it would hurt for us to go. I don't want me gone either. It gives me a sense of purpose. I'm currently driving coast to coast, but justifying it with stops at three archives and two museums. I always mention its for Wikipedia. I had one person at the Nixon library who had read all my Nixon articles and liked them. A fan!--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 01:28, 3 July 2011 (UTC) == [[Theobald of Bec]] == No avoiding him, I don't think. Can you work your magic of removing my extraneous commas and all that other crap I put into the articles I write? He's a rather boring guy, although he had his moments .. including a few times where he defied the king. We'll get to the archbishop accused of witchcraft next nom... [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 13:04, 3 July 2011 (UTC) :I'll start work on Theobald later ... got some repairs to do around the house now. Can't wait for the archbishop witch! [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 15:06, 3 July 2011 (UTC) :: Well, it was really hot at the art festival... and then a thunderstorm blew up as we were packing up and I got soaked to the gills. I feel like a drowned rat! And tomorrow is the Fourth, so we're doing a small get-together of friends... [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 00:53, 4 July 2011 (UTC) How's Teddy looking? I have two more days before another art festival.... whee! [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 14:59, 7 July 2011 (UTC) :I'll have one final look through later. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 15:30, 7 July 2011 (UTC) == Voltage doubler == Now at [[Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Voltage doubler/1]] '''[[User:Spinningspark|<font style="background:#fafad2;color:#C08000">Spinning</font>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<font style="color:#4840a0">Spark'''</font>]]''' 19:07, 3 July 2011 (UTC) :I've seen it, thanks, and commented there. It'll be interesting to see what others think. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 19:12, 3 July 2011 (UTC) == Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saddleworth Morris Men == Your comments at this AFD discussion are in danger of becoming unconstructive. You have reiterated your view that the sources I have referred to do not, in your opinion, support notability, and I have stated, somewhat less often, that I disagree. There is no need to keep on repeating your views unless you have a new angle to present. Furthermore, I do need to take issue with [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Saddleworth_Morris_Men&diff=437764928&oldid=437764765 this comment]. Firstly, it is not in any way an argument for (or against) deletion. Adding irrelevant comments is not helpful to others trying to assess the arguments. Secondly, I dislike the way you say "You have been adding citations that do not support the material preceding them" as if I were making a habit of it, when you can support the assertion with only one example which you disagree with. If you want to discuss such citations on the article talk page, by all means take them there. But please make them accurate and relevant. [[User:Sergeant Cribb|Sergeant Cribb]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Cribb|talk]]) 21:05, 4 July 2011 (UTC) :You are behaving dishonestly and I'm calling you on it. You are attempting to derail an AfD by adding random citations that make it look as if the topic has been covered by reliable independent sources when it quite clearly hasn't. You are being disruptive and you've been caught out. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 21:07, 4 July 2011 (UTC) ::I will not accept that. Your comment above and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Saddleworth_Morris_Men&diff=437767120&oldid=437766673 this] are unfounded personal attacks. I call on you to withdraw them or face the possibility of having your editing privileges restricted. [[User:Sergeant Cribb|Sergeant Cribb]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Cribb|talk]]) 21:11, 4 July 2011 (UTC) :::It matters not one whit to me whether you accept it or not, the facts speak for themselves. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 21:14, 4 July 2011 (UTC) {Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. <!--Template:ANI-notice--> Thank you. :Fascinating. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 21:30, 4 July 2011 (UTC) *tl;dr: "Shut up or I'll go crying to mummy". <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">[[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot]] [[User talk:Parrot of Doom|of Doom]]</span> 21:45, 4 July 2011 (UTC) **I can't believe that bloody AfD; the world's gone mad! [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 22:55, 4 July 2011 (UTC) ***I have no faith in it, since the people there apparently believe that [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tom King (highwayman)|fictional characters were real people]]. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">[[User:Parrot of Doom|Parrot]] [[User talk:Parrot of Doom|of Doom]]</span> 22:57, 4 July 2011 (UTC) ****I'm beginning to wonder if any articles are ''ever'' deleted at AfD. BTW, I struck [[Walter Raleigh in popular culture|another blow]] in the battle against pop culture today. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 23:00, 4 July 2011 (UTC) *****They are, but the drama levels can be high. As I have found out recently in various discussions involving fourth provincial tier Irish cricket clubs. THe daft thing with those, more of which are to come, is that the cricket project broadly agrees with the lack of notability in these instances but generally seem to refuse to actually comment at the AfD discussions. - [[User:Sitush|Sitush]] ([[User talk:Sitush|talk]]) 23:03, 4 July 2011 (UTC) ******I think it'll be a while before I nominate anything else there, let the crap pile up and someone else can try and deal with it. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 23:09, 4 July 2011 (UTC) *This is obviously going to be kept, so I've hacked away at it to leave only the stuff that can be sourced, even where those sources are of somewhat dubious reliability. Which is hardly any of the stuff that Sergeant Cribb claimed to have sourced. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 02:32, 5 July 2011 (UTC) == How about being another FA director? == Please don't dismiss immediately. A. Think you would do a great job: *workload safety-wise, we need another person *holistic view of articles *deep Wiki and writing experience *some diversity of thought and not a pushover *in being able to 'see what someone does even if have disagreements' [per that evil other website] B. For you, well... *it's something different *is leadership (but not another RFA) *allows you to have more "leverage" (spread out impact) than by helping individual authors and articles. I would vote for you...and I'm sure you would get plenty of votes to do the job (if that's how we do it here, not sure, FL and FS did, even if it's an appointed position, you WOULD get the votes is the important thing). Only hard part would be getting you to do it...but it's got to be better than being a moderator. I mean at FAC, even the "bad" articles are "good" and the contributors trying to create real work product. Gotta be better than prowling ANI and banning shitheads. And if you think about your impact...much larger than some random bullyboy admin. -TCO :"If drafted, I will not run; if nominated, I will not accept; if elected, I will not serve." [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 16:40, 5 July 2011 (UTC) ::I think if Laser Brain is truly gone, the replacement process will resemble "[[The Lottery]]"--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 03:21, 6 July 2011 (UTC) == Thank you == {| cellspacing="0" style="width:100%; border:2px solid #bfd7ff; background-color:#e1edff; border-radius:15px; -moz-border-radius:15px;" |- |rowspan="2" style="padding:0.5em"| [[Image:Olympicstar4.png|100px]] |style="width:100%; font-size:x-large; vertical-align:bottom; height:1.2em; border-bottom:2px solid #bfd7ff"| '''The Olympics Barnstar''' |- |style="vertical-align:top; padding:0.5em"| For your help in getting the [[1952 Winter Olympics]] to featured status I present you with the coveted Olympics Barnstar. Collaborative efforts are the most rewarding and I appreciate your work on this article. It would not have passed without your involvement. Thank you!!! [[User:H1nkles|H1nkles]] ([[User talk:H1nkles|talk]]) _{[[User:H1nkles/citius altius fortius|<span style="color:#030">citius altius fortius</span>]]} 16:03, 5 July 2011 (UTC) |} :You must be (deservedly) very pleased with that, well done. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 16:41, 5 July 2011 (UTC) == AFD vote == I am not at all suspicious. Please [[WP:AGF]] and remember that wikipedia is not a place to do [[WP:BATTLE]]. Any incidents of [[WP:STALK]]ing will be reported. [[User:Hungarian Jew|Hungarian Jew]] ([[User talk:Hungarian Jew|talk]]) 22:25, 5 July 2011 (UTC) :Wonderfully ambiguous first sentence, there. --[[User:Demiurge1000|Demiurge1000]] ([[User_talk:Demiurge1000|talk]]) 22:26, 5 July 2011 (UTC) :Report whatever you like to whoever you like, and please try to remember that [[WP:AGF]] doesn't mean switch off your brain. You are clearly a sockpuppet. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 22:30, 5 July 2011 (UTC) ::Hungarian Jew has been blocked indefinitely. '''[[User:Eagles247|<font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">Eagles</font>]]''' '''[[User talk:Eagles247|<font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">24/7</font>]]''' [[Special:Contributions/Eagles247|<font color="003B48" size="1px">(C)</font>]] 22:46, 5 July 2011 (UTC) == A barnstar for you! == {| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;" |rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Tireless Contributor Barnstar Hires.gif|100px]] |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Tireless Contributor Barnstar''' |- |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | I know you hate these things, but, you deserve them ... if only for putting up with and polishing my Yank prose. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 00:23, 6 July 2011 (UTC) |} :Thanks. I don't hate them, I accept that they have their place. I've just about finished my first pass through Theobald now, but I'll look through the whole thing again tomorrow. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 00:26, 6 July 2011 (UTC) :: I'll get those two niggles in a bit. I'm teaching a class tonight in my "other job" so am putting the final polish on the presentation (no, it's NOT power point!). [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 00:29, 6 July 2011 (UTC) == [[Bernard Levin]] == Hi. I'm not sure whether he should be listed under Language and literature as well as Media and journalism. He's currently listed under both but I gather only one listing is permitted in the GA lists? The thing is he was very much a critic and writer, which is under Language and literature. I'd imagine this is not the first time an overlap has occurred. Maybe this category ought to be merged to include writers , journalists and critics in one?♦ [[User talk:Dr. Blofeld|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#000">Dr. Blofeld</span>]] :I don't think it really matters which category you put him, so long as he's only in one. But I think the best fit is probably Language and literature. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 14:38, 6 July 2011 (UTC) Maybe though Media and journalism should be combined with language and literature? Its just journalists and writers and critics overlap a great number of times. i'll address it on the GA talk page. I was also wondering if you could take a look at [[Burmese–Siamese War (1765–1767)]] and indicate whether you think it is good enough for GA.♦ [[User talk:Dr. Blofeld|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#000">Dr. Blofeld</span>]] 14:50, 6 July 2011 (UTC) :I don't think I'd be in favour of such a merger, but by all means suggest it on the talk page and see what others think. Is [[Burmese–Siamese War (1765–1767)]] one of yours? [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 14:57, 6 July 2011 (UTC) ::Nope, but as one of the most active members of WP:Burma I'd like to see more Burmese GAs. BTW to you and Giano I've created [[:Category:Country houses in England]] which is intended to categorize ''all'' country houses and halls and sorts in england. Some time I intend to create a full list of country houses in England which might interest you.♦ [[User talk:Dr. Blofeld|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#000">Dr. Blofeld</span>]] 19:35, 6 July 2011 (UTC) :::That would be a ''massive'' list; just look at the number of Cheshire country house articles that [[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]] has created over the last few weeks. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 05:02, 7 July 2011 (UTC) Well 174, and he's reached S so unlikely to be many more than 200 for Cheshire. Should be possible, but if the list doesn't being to go near 200kb then a way of splitting might be sensible. But for now I'll concentrate on adding categories and see how many we are dealing with. Ideally we want what Peter has done with Cheshire done for every county.♦ [[User talk:Dr. Blofeld|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#000">Dr. Blofeld</span>]] 14:26, 7 July 2011 (UTC) :Another 30 or so to go. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 14:33, 7 July 2011 (UTC) Uncovered well over a hundred missing surely for the Isle of Wight too which I am am starting. See [[Azor (landowner)]]. It's puzzled me on numerous occasions why there is no [[:Category:English landowners]]. A landowner is a major figure in British history it should be jammed full with articles. Unless i missing the cat under a different name like [[:Category:Feudal lords]] or something? Either way I think we should create this category, probably both and aim to fill it. In fact this is a category area which should be so full we should even have e.g [[:Category:14th-century feudal lords]] etc. ♦ [[User talk:Dr. Blofeld|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#000">Dr. Blofeld</span>]] 22:00, 7 July 2011 (UTC) :Categories is something I've never really managed to get very excited about, to put it mildly. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 22:09, 7 July 2011 (UTC) == ummm... == boy I've gotten a big mouth lately huh? — <small><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>[[User:Ched Davis|Ched]]</b> : [[User_talk:Ched Davis|<font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;?&nbsp;</font>]]</span></small> 04:54, 7 July 2011 (UTC) :Nothing wrong with that. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 05:02, 7 July 2011 (UTC) == Thanks... == ...for the review of the [[Medieval Merchant's House]] - much appreciated. [[User:Hchc2009|Hchc2009]] ([[User talk:Hchc2009|talk]]) 20:07, 7 July 2011 (UTC) :It's a nice article, hope you didn't find the process too stressful. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 20:35, 7 July 2011 (UTC) ::Not at all! [[User:Hchc2009|Hchc2009]] ([[User talk:Hchc2009|talk]]) 20:57, 7 July 2011 (UTC) == A kitten for you! == [[File:Youngkitten.JPG|left|150px]] :-) ~~~~ <br style="clear: both"/>'