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Suspected sock

Hello again,

In regards to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Gordimalo, I noticed another account that was created the day after another sock (Grounds Only) was blocked. Its first edits were on some of the same articles that Caretaker John edited on (minor Russian political parties like Civic Platform (Russia)) but it didn't restore any of the edits made by the other blocked socks (though making similar edits). As time went on it began editing on more and more of the same pages that CJ edited (there seems to be a strong overlap here on such rarely touched articles like List of members of the Federation Council (Russia)) though not really restoring any old edits (yet) however now on 2021 Russian legislative election, it restored one of CJ's edits (compare this and this where it fully restored the paragraph in the lede). And despite being a new account, to me it really doesn't seem like a new user. The way they talk in the talk page for example on Abolish the Welsh Assembly Party seems very similar and again odd for a supposedly new user. Do you think the evidence is strong enough here? Thanks again. Mellk (talk) 03:21, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I should also note that on a talk page for an article where Caretaker John was pushing for his edit, after more editors disagreed with this edit, a British IP user showed up to leave a comment saying why CJ's edit should be left alone, quoting a source that CJ introduced and making the same spelling mistake that Caretaker John consistently made ("Zhironovsky" rather than "Zhirinovsky") which no one else on the entire talk page has made. This was 17 March and they did make any more edits after that. Mellk (talk) 14:55, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mellk, thank you. I appreciate it. Drmies (talk) 15:45, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

SPAs in the COVID area

Special:Contributions/CutePeach... First edit being to that talk page. Similarities with others in the line of argumenting; especially in repeating points already debunked. Is this the same person as (the rather un-)ScrupulousScribe? RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:45, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, or not that I can prove. Is there an admin who's been active there and can help out? Drmies (talk) 21:08, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't got a clue about which admin would have more of one. @El C: You blocked un-ScrupulousSribe's sock, so in case you can be of any help. I've looked through the talk page history, and this now looks even more suspicious - a new editor suddenly picking out the names of all those who remotely support their point (and pinging them, additionally...)? RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 03:16, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm, like, 75 percent sure CutePeach is ScrupulousSribe, but since they've expressly denied it, maybe worth CU'ing first...? El_C 11:00, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Happy St. Patrick's Day

Happy St. Patrick's Day!
I hope your St. Patrick's Day is enjoyable and safe. Hopefully next year there will be more festive celebrations.
Best wishes from Los Angeles. // Timothy :: talk

User:TimothyBlue, thank you. My personal favorite saint's day is 5 June, but I appreciate it! Drmies (talk) 15:02, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks Smallbones. Give me a day or two, please. Drmies (talk) 17:02, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Edits at WWE Hell in a Cell

Per this edit, the tables are standard practice for all events and are much more organized than just a simple bullet list that doesn't tell us much (the bullet list is also very informal for this type of article). Also, it doesn't really matter if you think tables are cumbersome. Most if not all other editors would disagree, but that's beside the point. You made a large change that is based on consensus. You would need to somehow get a new consensus to change it to a very plain bullet list.

You also removed sourced information in this edit. The first bit talking about the match being the main event is straight forward. The second saying it was chosen over those other names was in reference to a poll where WWE let fans vote on the name of the PPV (admittedly, it wasn't very clear there, but had you checked the source, you would have saw what it was for and could have clarified it instead of outright removing it). --JDC808 ♫ 17:05, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tables are cumbersome, and this table was needless: the links to the articles are good enough (that is what it means to work on wikis). I'm glad you admit it wasn't very clear writing--it was also a bit of useless trivia. "The fans voted on a name"--that's trivial. The sourcing is a to a couple of fan websites, so that doesn't help much either in establishing importance: those websites write up every single thing. Drmies (talk) 17:11, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How exactly are tables cumbersome? They lay out the information in a very organized way. If we want quality articles here, a super simple bullet list of links is not good enough for this type of information that we are trying to present. The poll is actually not trivial. It's how the name of the event was decided, which is important to the history of the pay-per-view (it is trivial for a lead section, but that's all the article really is at the moment aside from the concept and events sections, but I'm going to be fixing that soon). Also, both of those sources are reliable sources, not fan websites (WP:PW/RS). --JDC808 ♫ 06:42, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

They are cumbersome to edit: it takes practice to get it right. Anything that can be done in a list should be done in a lost. No, I do not believe those websites are reliable sources, and since (like all such publications) they report every single detail, they simply cannot establish that this or that detail is actually important. A fan poll over a name, that's just marketing. ProWrestlingTorch is pretty much the epitome of a fan site--stop the press! Seamus has no facial hair! WrestlingView is the same, but fancier looking. These sites regurgitate the press releases and the "results" from the organizations they cover, and add factoids and interviews. You'd think that a real reliable and independent publication would do some investigating--well, the Chris Benoit case would be interesting, but the best WrestleView has to offer is this, and it is nothing: two sentences sent in by some unnamed party and a link. So no, these are not acceptable sources. I am sure they won't lie about who supposedly won which event, so that may be reliable, but they are not independent, and can thus not be trusted to make informed editorial decisions about content, let alone be critical of their subject matter. Drmies (talk) 15:00, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tables can be cumbersome to edit, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have them or remove them just for that reason. You are entitled to your opinion on the integrity of the sources, but according to the project, they are listed as reliable: Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Sources#Reliable sources. If you think their listing should be reassessed, that is something to bring up with the project (side note, completely revamped the WWE Hell in a Cell article). --JDC808 ♫ 20:01, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

They would never pass muster on RSN. Drmies (talk) 21:43, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well they had to go through some kind of assessment to even be added to the list of reliable sources. Would they uphold in a reassessment? We won't truly know unless they get reassessed. --JDC808 ♫ 21:55, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dream syndicate

It took quite long until I realized what a strange rule (+ strange infobox) we have there for names such as The Beatles. Happy am I not to have to deal with such a thing. I bet I'd rephrase everything in defiance, having the band at the beginning of sentences. - No question of life and death, however. In memory of Yoninah, I wrote a little article, departing from our last work together, Psalm 148, so Psalm 148 (Bernstein), which not is his earliest surviving music but also contained on a CD "A Jewish Legacy". Made me cry once more. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:23, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I had no idea... Drmies (talk) 00:28, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
After nobody else did, I began the Signpost obit. Tough. Music to the rescue, Bach's cantata composed for today, - perhaps listen. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:42, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of Dispute Resolution

Please note I have now taken the discussion at RuPaul's Drag Race UK (series 2) to Dispute resolution. Spa-Franks (talk) 01:07, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Lord, people are still fighting about this. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 01:41, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Deepfriedokra: They also spammed the talk page with edit requests... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 01:47, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And now the IP who was messing with my comments seems to be back... They also blanked their TP when warned so likely same person as before... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 15:11, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Another SPA with the same kind of comment, though it must be a diferent IP. The IP is probably the same person as Special:Contributions/78.152.245.98, right? RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 15:57, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, next time please put the link there to save some clicking around. I blocked the account for a week: let's see if they can come back in a more civilized manner. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:10, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is beyond ridiculous Special:Contributions/51.37.186.36 (already blocked) vs. Special:Contributions/51.37.69.16 (apparently, me providing a link to the ANI discussion is a deliberate attempt to "have the last word" - when the discussion right above is about just forgetting all this ever happened and moving on to something else [like writing actual articles; or catching the obvious and annoying vandals on the edit filter or recent changes])... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 01:55, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like I'm reaching the end of the "this is so stupid it's funny" line and am rapidly approaching the "this is just so so stupid" point. This is just a monumental lack of patience (and a blatant disregard, if not provocation, based on the comment I made 2 minutes before that), though (prob. no action required other than removing the comment, but I'm unwilling to get bothered with that). RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:27, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I hate to say it, but if there's other editors active there, maybe you can step back and do other things. We don't need you to start wikilinking "patience"--it's one of the Seven Signs. BTW that IP editor has a bad track record and I acted on it. Drmies (talk) 23:51, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I tried chess but apparently whoever was white wanted to play this so that was equally a waste... Any suggestion of a backlog I could help with clearing, besides recent changes? RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 01:20, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, I shouldn't be telling you what to do; it's dickish. Still, there is something that always needs attention: Category:BLP articles lacking sources from August 2014 and all of the others. Take care! Drmies (talk) 12:53, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Could I get your help verifying sources on an article?

Hello, I've recently realised that on the Wikipedia page for Destiny, a lot of the points pertaining to his personal life and political views are sourced from YouTube videos. Since this hasn't been brought up with the editors of that article, could you maybe help enforce the rule about using YouTube videos for BLP information? Many thanks --Vember94 (talk) 18:35, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) @Vember94: The usual requirement for WP:BLP is that such information be sourced to secondary sources reporting on it (to establish both neutrality and significance - and also to avoid any controversy in controversial areas, such as American politics in this case). I'll trim some of it. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 18:52, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks! Unsure of what I've done to be labelled a stalker, sorry if I wasn't supposed to post here. --Vember94 (talk) 19:37, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Vember94, RandomCanadian self-identified as a stalker. Anyway, yes, they are quite right about sourcing, and it's a huge problem in all those articles for influencers and YouTubers and Streamers and Twitchers and TikTokers and what not. I saw the same in Yungblud, by the way. Drmies (talk) 21:44, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Vember94: "This page contains material that is kept because it is considered humorous." - did you actually read the whole page or just the title? :) Anyway in this case the template is self-referential; nothing about anything you have done. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:45, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

IP editor issues

Drmies, would you mind blocking this IP editor [[1]]. I suspect they are a logged out editor but even if they aren't I don't appreciate the harassments on my user talk page. Thank you. Springee (talk) 12:26, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Much appreciated! Springee (talk) 13:27, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

cloud

Hello. User requests vanish per request. A glance at their user talk suggests they are "under a cloud" an ineligible. Would like your opinion before I accept/decline. Cheers, --Deepfriedokra (talk) 23:18, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I can't see that--amazing, but there are permissions that I don't have, haha. I don't have a corner office either. Drmies (talk) 23:50, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I thought it was a public record, BostonBowTie feels their expertise is "denigrated" and wishes to bid us (an unfond) adieu. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 23:59, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Forgive the intrusion, but it's a shame that expertise, however good it may be, is not combined with a) an interest in understanding the purpose and limitations of the project, and b) people skills generally. They seem to feel their 600 edits should make them untouchable. My sense is that it was only a matter of time. General Ization ^Talk 00:19, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would have been in favor of showing more lenience in regards to his rant. Sounds like he is a subject matter expert, whom we need more of. Perhaps he had some of the bad experiences that subject matter experts sometimes have. WP:CHEESE is a good essay about this. I think we as Wikipedians should be very careful about deleting talk page comments. –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:29, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In my experience, genuine SMEs have enough self-confidence to avoid loudly advertising their expertise and abusing others when it is mildly challenged. Those who do these things are generally less expert than they believe. General Ization ^Talk 00:36, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:Novem Linguae, we need content editors, but we are still, and will always be, a collaborative project. And someone who complains about users that "can't work within written rules"--well, AGF and all that are written rules too. I will not stand by while editors of good faith are ridiculed on a talk page. If they are going to leave over the removal of that rant (that is really the only word for it), then, well, what can I say--then the content they were going to bring wasn't really worth it to them, I suppose. Drmies (talk) 01:33, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm leaning toward vanishing 'em. I don't think they'll sneak back with a new user name. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 01:41, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Boston legal

Unfortunately, our article on the prudent man rule doesn't mention its more modern name the prudent person rule, fails to mention that it fell out of favour in most states of the U.S. at the turn of the 20th century only to see a revival in the 1940s, and indicates that we don't have Justice Samuel Putnam. I have been beaten to an AFC submission by Talk:Putnam family#Samuel Putman.

Haskell, Paul G. (1990). "The Prudent Person Rule for Trustee Investment and Modern Portfolio Theory". North Carolina Law Review. 69: 87 et seq.
https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/159576184.pdf

Uncle G (talk) 17:17, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nomination of Abdallah Oumbadougou

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Penn -Religious Organizations - Question

I am a relatively new editor and wanted to know why my reference to the different religious faith groups was removed. I provided a cite for most and was going to have a cite for all but ran out of time today as I have a real job. Thanks for taking time to educate me. OneMoreByte (talk) 21:33, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:OneMoreByte, thank you for desire to improve Wikipedia articles, but student/religious organizations are typically not of encyclopedic value. Plus, you are adding not references, but URLs to various organizations, and that is not helpful--it is considered promotional. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 21:49, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I added the Hillel section prior to realizing your deletions. I am now earnestly trying to follow the rules you have elucidated. I have some 1/340th the amount of edits as you and acknowledge there is a lot to learn. I will try again next time I have time. I apologize for wasting your time with my mistakes OneMoreByte (talk) 21:53, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - You are not wasting my time. Productive editors of good faith are always welcome. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 21:54, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote almost every part of the history of blacks at Penn in 19th and early 20th century section and do not know why you preferred by more awkward penultimate draft to last version. I am an amateur happy to learn OneMoreByte (talk) 05:24, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Let me give you another view on this. It is about the level of fact checking. The sources cited are Facebook groups and WWW sites asserting things about themselves. I could set up a Facebook group claiming to be the UPenn official group for some religion or religious order and have the largest number of devotees in the country, or biggest building, or whatnot. It would not be actually true, but with this low level of Wikipedia editorial gatekeeping, the falsehood would make it in to the article. The editorial bar must be set higher by Wikipedia editors. We want things that can be supported by things published by other than the entities concerned themselves. If it's a Facebook group, it shouldn't be the Facebook group's own self-description as a source. It should be someone who is likely to have checked that that is actually true, who is identifiable, and whose reputation for accuracy is known and good. Uncle G (talk) 08:54, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for taking the time to write to explain to me about why the religious groups were removed. I was trying to be inclusive but agree with why you deleted what you deleted. On a different note I think the way I wrote about the 1st black woman to earn phd and attend Penn Law and be admitted to practice law in Penn was better in my last draft as it gave her more prominence rather than relegate her to a parenthetical while talking about her great uncle who graduated 40 years before her as my penultimate draft had done. Please re read both versions and see if you now agree with me. In any event I will defer to you as you have literally 320 times more experience than me. Thanks again

OneMoreByte (talk) 04:34, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Another possible food-themed sock

OrangeStrawberry32 (talk · contribs)'s edit summaries look very much like those of HoneyCrispAppleMan and Lukepicardkirk, and they're editing Sallie Mae. Too bad about CoffeeCupCandle - they might have made a decent gnome. (realisation dawns) And I'm BlackcurrantTea, right. Erm... Well then. Carry on as you were. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 06:21, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's time for a full-blown SPI. But for me, it's time for morning exercises and breakfast... Srsly, if you have a mind to write that up real quick, that would be great. What needs to happen is for all the available CU information to be placed side by side. I looked real quick but didn't find a smoking gun yet, but I think I know in which corner it might be standing. Having another CU look at all of them and compare them is a good idea. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 12:28, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Chiming in that behaviorally, I agree with BlackcurrantTea that this is another Luke/Honey sock, at the least. -- ferret (talk) 12:33, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, all three are probably in the same city. Mustycrustacean is definitely Lukepicardkirk, though. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 18:36, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thanks! But, eh, I can't focus right now--listening to Agharta. I'll be back in a few days. Drmies (talk) 22:02, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I need a detective show whiteboard with marker pens in different colours to draw lines between them all. I can't do anything more with it today, but a few points found whilst down the rabbit hole: NinjaRobotPirate said Oliver the twisted Ankle is almost certainly part of a UPE sock farm with Bipitibappitibap, RuneLynch, Acbora, Zhang7891, and Stealknots. Bipitibappitibap, RuneLynch, and Stealknots have been globally locked by علاء (Alaa) as LaurelWest; Acbora, Zhang7891, and Oliver the twisted Ankle have not (yet) been. I don't believe you've met Gargar77 (talk · contribs), whose only edits have been to a draft created by Oliver the twisted Ankle, and to Commons, uploading a related image as 'own work'.
  OrangeStrawberry32 claims they're editing Sallie Mae as work for Clyde Group, and it seems Sallie Mae is indeed one of their clients. Guess who else is a Clyde Group client? Randy Pitchford. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 10:56, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aleyamma38 ANI

Obviously we're in conspiracy since we both created ANI section at the same time! Ravensfire (talk) 14:46, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I know it. Hey if you're walking by the copy room on your way over to my office, grab me a cup of coffee please. Drmies (talk) 16:04, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

All because of "the", *sigh*. I'm going to change my wallpaper with the word "the" with a cross over it. :) Fizconiz (talk) 22:15, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

on wikipedia, mail gets you

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--Deepfriedokra (talk) 00:33, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Deepfriedokra: What's the missing part of this one? RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 00:45, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In real world, you get mail. . . . . --Deepfriedokra (talk) 00:53, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's not as funny if it doesn't refer to 'Soviet Russia' in some way... Mail as in snail-mail? Who still gets that in the 21st century? RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 01:19, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Got nothing. Drmies (talk) 01:17, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ever since AOL, I never think of snail mail as mail. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 02:23, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bounced. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 02:25, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Strange. Do you have Gmail? Or did you use a lot of obscenities? Drmies (talk) 02:32, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. No. Only when describing Wikipedia. FWIW, Bish's "respond all" bounced too. Not that important though. Occam supplied an answer. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 17:19, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Praise

		The Guidance Barnstar
		Thank you for your friendly and helpful advice.

Austinatlanta (talk) 05:35, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure thing--good luck with it. Drmies (talk) 17:19, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Youth cred

As ever, I am here to assist you in your quest for youth cred, Doktoro. On that score, you appear to have missed the mark slightly with your recent interest in Hanson.

Whilst you could have had John Hanson (poet), born 1604 and whose disambiguator would be "bad poet" in a more opinionated reference work such as a DNB, your command of Foreign might be able to explain why Google is telling me that "Jan Hanssen" is a bit "twee" according to J.K. de Regt. Is that another of J. K. Rowling's aliases?

Now I might have steered you toward Johannes Hanssen. But, knowing you, you will be more interested Johannes Hansen, Danish furniture maker and founder of the Copenhagen Cabinet Makers' Guild, before getting covered in Inc and associating with the likes of Hans Wegner; and who is not to be confused with Johannes Hansen, also Danish.

Byars, Mel (2004). "Hansen, Johannes". In Riley, Terence (ed.). The Design Encyclopedia (2nd ed.). L. King. p. 304. ISBN 9780870700125. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)

You don't get to have professor Karl Heinz Hansen [de], though, as xe is not a dead English professor, and thus unsuitable for the English Professor Vacuum. Nor is Karl-Heinz Hansen [de], for that matter, so do not get any ideas.

This is not the Foreign that you are used to.

Uncle G (talk) 15:51, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Whilst"?? NO MORE FURNITURE....

Johannes Hansen was a Danish furniture maker and founder of the eponymous company (Johannes Hansen Møbelsnedkeri A/S) that manufactured furniture from the 1940s to the 1990s.^[1]^[2] He was a founder and for a time the chairman of the Copenhagen Cabinet Maker's Guild.^[1]

His most well known products were designed by Hans Wegner, whom he met in 1940 and with whom he was to collaborate for the next three decades.^[2] By that time, Hansen was in his 50s, and had a store at Bredgade 65 in Copenhagen.^[1] As the cabinetmaker, his side of the partnership with Wegner is less well-known outside of Denmark.^[3]

He died in 1961.^[2]^[4] His youngest son, Poul Hansen, took over the company and continued to collaborate with Wegner.^[2]^[4]^[5] The company eventually went bankrupt in the 1990s.^[2]

References

^ ^a ^b ^c Byars 2004, p. 304. sfn error: multiple targets (2×): CITEREFByars2004 (help)
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e friis 2021.
^ Mussari 2016, § The Cabinet Makers Guild Exhibitions.
^ ^a ^b Doblin 1970, p. 79.
^ Snedkeren 1965, p. 114.

Reference bibliography

Byars, Mel (2004). "Hansen, Johannes". In Riley, Terence (ed.). The Design Encyclopedia (2nd ed.). L. King. p. 304. ISBN 9780870700125. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
"Om brdr. friis møbler" (in Danish). Brdr. Friis Møbler. Retrieved 2021-03-24.
"En samtale med Hans J. Wegner og snedkermester". Snedkeren (in Danish). Snedkerforbundet. 1965. pp. 112 et seq.
Doblin, Jay (1970). One Hundred Great Product Designs. Van Nostrand Reinhold Company. ISBN 9780442113476. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
Mussari, Mark (2016). "A history of ideas: constructing Danish Modern". Danish Modern: Between Art and Design. Bloomsbury Publishing. ISBN 9781474223683. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)

This submission to Articles for creation is about a furniture maker.

@Uncle G: Unless you're under some form of restriction to not create articles directly in mainspace; this seems like it should go directly there... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 22:45, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Then Doktoro and you lurkers would not check my Foreign, albeit that it is not Old High Gallifreyan in this instance, as it was at /Archive 123#Some baklava for you! and /Archive 121#Credibility, Doktoro. Or, indeed, my arithmetic. You can help Drmies retain that youth cred, lurkers. See Special:Whatlinkshere/Robert Magill Young. Uncle G (talk) 00:00, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - That picture of my old house on the Egelantiersgracht brought tears to my eyes. Drmies (talk) 00:31, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - (edit conflict) Das sind für mich böhmische Dörfer. Aber ich verstehe Deutsch, und kann die niederländische Sprache natürlich ein bisschen herausfinden. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 00:32, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- As you can see from Special:Diff/1014068305, Doktoro keeps trying to blame me. But you'll find Special:Diff/981623325 even more amusing. Apparently, Doktoro jumped in xyr TARDIS and travelled back to last year to persuade someone to update the disambiguation. Uncle G (talk) 00:50, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rifles, once more

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I see you've used your surgical scalpel (more like wholesale blowing up) on that article before... Time for something other than just keeping it on watchlist? RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 00:58, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Shamelessly appending an entirely unrelated thing: Special:Contributions/WanderingEskimo (SPA, Covid, immediate tendentious restoration of material removed by plenty of others on that talk page of a redirect). RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 01:02, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- CU blocked now. Do me a favor and file a new pro forma SPI, and ping Maxim from there--they might have an interest, given they ran a check on a range earlier. Drmies (talk) 03:50, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Will do. Thanks. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 03:54, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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There's also something on an entirely different matter, a wee bit stale from a few days back, but not too important. Hopefully the newer one didn't bounce like DFO. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 03:48, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Furniture, eh!

What we do, M. Canadian, is lure Doktoro in with bacon, and then hit xem with a bus stop, otherwise xe goes off and improves the Jada Facer article again.

Uncle G (talk) 08:01, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Holy moly, Uncle, you've been busy. But all this will have to wait a little bit--spring break and all that, you know. Take care, Drmies (talk) 15:22, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jacques and Hay was a 19th century furniture manufacturer in Toronto, in 1872 to be re-named Robert Hay and Company and later still to become Charles Rogers and Sons Company.^[1] In its heyday it was colloquially known as "jakesenhay".^[2]

Co-founded in 1835 by John Jacques (then a journeyman cabinetmaker from England) and Robert Hay (a journeyman cabinetmaker from Scotland),^[3]^[1]^[4] originally the company started as just one small shop in Toronto, which Jacques and Hay had bought from Jacques' then boss, William Maxwell;^[4] but it expanded over the next several decades, in keeping with a regional boom in furniture manufacturing in the middle of the 19th century.^[1] The firm had a large plant in Toronto by the 1850s, which had an annual production of (amongst other things) 1,000 beds and 15,000 Windsor chairs, which were sold by outlets in several towns in the province of Ontario that the firm opened that decade.^[1] At the same time, the company had expanded its supply of raw materials with a timber plant at New Lowell (now part of the town of Clearview) and had industrialized its manufacturing at the Toronto factory to include multiple steam powered machines, including a jig saw, a belt sander, power planers, a multiple-drilling machine, a moulding machine, and twenty circular saws.^[1] It was the largest factory of its kind in British America in 1864.^[5]

The firm was by that time also employing marketing tactics such as manufacturing bespoke furniture for Albert Edward, the then Prince of Wales, and his retinue on his 1860 royal tour of several cities in the province.^[1] These marketing stunts proved to be ineffectual in the longer term, however.^[1] The firm lacked product catalogues, faced competition from other firms with lower production costs (such as not needing to ship lumber by rail from New Lowell to Toronto), and after that initial burst of mechanization in the 1850s failed to keep up with further advances in machinery from the 1860s onwards.^[6]

The firm changed to Robert Hay and Company in 1872 when Jacques retired, Charles Rogers and George Craig then becoming partners with Hay.^[7] Rogers, born in Glasgow in 1816, had immigrated to Canada in 1851, joining the firm as a carver; and Craig, also born in Glasgow but in 1819, had earlier immigrated to Canada in 1842 and joined the firm as a machinist.^[7]

Eventually, as Charles Rogers and Sons Company, the firm dissolved in 1922.^[8]

References

^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g Forster 1996, p. 163.
^ Bloomfield & Bloomfield 1987.
^ Johnson 1968, p. 263.
^ ^a ^b Kealey 1991, p. 19.
^ Lerner & Williamson 1991, p. 291.
^ Forster 1996, pp. 163–164.
^ ^a ^b Robinson 1885, p. 385.
^ Forster 1996, pp. 164.

Reference bibliography

Forster, Ben (1996). "Finding the right size: Markets and competition in mid- and late- nineteenth-century Ontario". In Hall, Roger; Westfall, William; Sefton MacDowell, Laurel (eds.). Patterns of the Past: Interpreting Ontario's History. Dundurn. ISBN 9781554882649. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
Lerner, Loren Ruth; Williamson, Mary F. (1991). Art Et Architecture Au Canada. Art and Architecture in Canada: A Bibliography and Guide to the Literature to 1981. Vol. 1. University of Toronto Press. ISBN 9780802058560. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
Robinson, C. Blackett (1885). History of Toronto and County of York, Ontario: pt. 1. Toronto: C. Blackett Robinson. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
Johnson, J. Keith, ed. (1968). "Hay, Robert". The Canadian Directory of Parliament, 1867–1967. Queen's Printer. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
Kealey, Gregory S. (1991). "Toronto's industrial revolution". Toronto Workers Respond to Industrial Capitalism, 1867–1892. Reprints in Canadian history. Vol. 247. University of Toronto Press. ISBN 9780802068835. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
Bloomfield, Elizabeth; Bloomfield, Gerald (1987-01-01). "Mills, Factories and Craftshops of Ontario, 1870: A Machine-Readable Source for Material Historians". Material Culture Review. 25. {{cite journal}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	Thank you for blocking that IP! 😄 HelenDegenerate (talk) 00:55, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ha, sure thing. It's all in a day's work. Drmies (talk) 01:02, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for How Did I Find Myself Here?

On 26 March 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article How Did I Find Myself Here?, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that 29 years after their last album, alternative rock band the Dream Syndicate released a new studio album, How Did I Find Myself Here? in 2017? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/How Did I Find Myself Here?. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, How Did I Find Myself Here?), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 03:09, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah! This would have been fine for April's fools! :( RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 17:13, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

'Didan Kimathi'

Re Page Didan Kimathi

Your edit line indicates that you seem to be in some confusion about actual events. Didan Kimathi was convicted for murdering thousands of Kenyans by an all-black jury of Kenyans. Ian Henderson was a police officer. He did not capture him. Didan Kimathi only surrendered to the authorities when he was about to be captured and killed by another rival Mau-Mau gangs.

On Wikipedia, citations are required for sources, which are provided here. HarrySime (talk) 20:43, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[FOOTNOTEByars2004304-1] Byars 2004, p. 304. sfn error: multiple targets (2×): CITEREFByars2004 (help)

[FOOTNOTEfriis2021-2] riis 2021.

[FOOTNOTEMussari2016&sect;_The_Cabinet_Makers_Guild_Exhibitions-3] Mussari 2016, § The Cabinet Makers Guild Exhibitions.

[FOOTNOTEDoblin197079-4] Doblin 1970, p. 79.

[FOOTNOTESnedkeren1965114-5] Snedkeren 1965, p. 114.

[FOOTNOTEForster1996163-6] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g Forster 1996, p. 163.

[FOOTNOTEBloomfieldBloomfield1987-7] Bloomfield & Bloomfield 1987.

[FOOTNOTEJohnson1968263-8] Johnson 1968, p. 263.

[FOOTNOTEKealey199119-9] Kealey 1991, p. 19.

[FOOTNOTELernerWilliamson1991291-10] Lerner & Williamson 1991, p. 291.

[FOOTNOTEForster1996163–164-11] Forster 1996, pp. 163–164.

[FOOTNOTERobinson1885385-12] Robinson 1885, p. 385.

[FOOTNOTEForster1996164-13] Forster 1996, pp. 164.

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-== Wine, but no bacon ==
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-The '''[[Escalle, Larkspur, California|Escalle]]''' region of (what is now) [[Larkspur, California]] takes its name from Jean Escalle, a 19th century French immigrant and vintner whose name was given to many things in the area before it was incorporated into Larkspur, including the local railway station, and a vineyard, quarry, resort, and brickworks that he owned.
-The site of the buildings that remain from the original estate is a class H historic zone.{{sfn|Heitkamp|2010|p=253}}
+'Didan Kimathi'
-With his brother Pierre, Jean Escalle immigrated to Larkspur in 1881 from [[France]], to join his friend and fellow French immigrant Claude Callot in operating a [[brickworks]].{{sfn|Teather|1986|loc=ESCALLE'S|p=25}}{{sfn|Arrigoni|2000|p=131}}
-Callot had been operating the brickworks since 1874, having leased it from a Patrick King that year and then outright bought it in 1879; and in the year of the arrival of the Escalles they together built a house, a barn, a water-tank, and a winery on Callot's property.{{sfn|Heitkamp|2010|pp=248,356}}
-Escalle married Callot's widow Ellen after Callott's death in 1888, expanding from running the brickworks into also running an inn, named the Limerick Inn and opened in 1894 next to the house.{{sfn|Teather|1986|loc=ESCALLE'S}}{{sfn|Heitkamp|2010|p=355}}{{sfn|Heitkamp|2010|pp=18,248&ndash;249}}
-There he sold wine from grapes grown in a {{convert|23|acre|hectare}} vineyard expanded from the original, which by that time was producing {{convert|23000|USgal|hL}} of wine per year.{{sfn|Mason|Van Cleave Park|1975|p=90}}{{sfn|Heitkamp|2010|pp=249}}
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-The Limerick Inn was a part of the area becoming a [[resort]], with its [[bocce ball]] court and gardens; to which customers would travel by railway or buggy.{{sfn|Heitkamp|2010|pp=249}}
-The local railway station came to be known as Escalle.{{sfn|Teather|1986|loc=ESCALLE'S|p=25}}
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-Because of [[Prohibition in the United States|Prohibition]], the inn ceased selling wine in 1920.{{sfn|Heitkamp|2010|pp=250}}
+Didan Kimathi was convicted for murdering thousands of Kenyans by an all-black jury of Kenyans. Ian Henderson was a police officer. He did not capture him. Didan Kimathi only surrendered to the authorities when he was about to be captured and killed by another rival Mau-Mau gangs.
-Escalle also died that year, causing legal complications to ensue from his relatives in France that effectively left the entire estate in limbo for the next two decades.{{sfn|Heitkamp|2010|pp=250}}
-Adolph A. Tiscornia, an attorney and investor who acquired a significant fraction of Larkspur over the years, eventually bought Escalle in 1941, after the legal complications were finally resolved, and in 1978 Escalle Village was built.{{sfn|Heitkamp|2010|pp=250,355,358}}
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-In the 21st century, the original estate buildings still remain, most of Tiscornia's other property having been sold by Tiscornia's granddaughter Mary, including the barn, the water tank, and the winery, which retains its original Italianate false front with "Escalle's" and "1888" on the upper storey and its original brick lower floor and wood upper floor.{{sfn|Heitkamp|2010|loc=Epilogue|pp=248,252}}
-The additional signage "Corte Madeira Vineyard and Winery" that existed in Escalle's lifetime is, however, no longer present, and various additions have been made to the winery that are not visible from the front; as well as a two-car garage added.{{sfn|Heitkamp|2010|p=252}}
-The Limerick Inn was damaged in 1982 by a landslip, and is now mainly a shell albeit one that was stabilized after being threatened by the nearby growth of elm trees in 2003 and redecorated in 2008 for a Centennial celebration.{{sfn|Heitkamp|2010|pp=252&ndash;253}}
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-===== Reference bibliography =====
-{{refbegin}}
-* {{cite book|ref=harv|title=Place Names of Marin: Where Did They Come From?|author1-first=Louise|author1-last=Teather|publisher=Scottwall Associates|date=1986|isbn=9780961279080}}
-* {{cite book|ref=harv|title=Making the Most of Marin: A California Guide|author1-first=Patricia|author1-last=Arrigoni|editor1-first=Dana|editor1-last=Carroll|publisher=Travel Publishers International|year=2000|isbn=9780962546877}}
-* {{cite book|ref=harv|title=The Making of Marin (1850&ndash;1975)|author1-first=Jack|author1-last=Mason|author2-first=Helen|author2-last=Van Cleave Park|publisher=North Shore Books|year=1975}}
-* {{cite book|ref=harv|url=https://www.ci.larkspur.ca.us/174/Larkspur-Past-Present|publisher=Larkspur Heritage Preservation Board|title=Larkspur Past and Present|author1-first=Helen|author1-last=Heitkamp|year=2010|isbn=9780615395128}}
-{{refend}}
-==== Further reading ====
-{{refbegin}}
-* {{cite newspaper|ref=harv|title=Marin history: Vintner Jean Escalle and his winery|url=https://www.marinij.com/2019/03/18/marin-history-vintner-jean-escalle-and-his-winery/|newspaper=Marin Independent Journal|date=2019-03-18|author1-first=Scott|author1-last=Fletcher}}
-* {{cite newspaper|ref={{harvid|MIJ|2015}}|title=History watch: Vintner Jean Escalle established earliest winery in Marin County|url=https://www.marinij.com/2015/11/23/history-watch-vintner-jean-escalle-established-earliest-winery-in-marin-county/|newspaper=Marin Independent Journal|date=2015-11-23}}
-* {{cite web|ref=harv|title=Marinscapes Fundraiser at Historic Escalle Winery &mdash; A Time Portal into The Past|url=https://www.southernsonomacountrylife.com/blogs/2015/06/marinscapes-fundraiser-at-historic-escalle-winery-a-time-portal-into-the-past-.html|date=2015-06-28|work=Southern Sonoma Country Life|author1-first=Frances|author1-last=Rivetti}}
-* {{cite book|ref=harv|title=Mines and Mineral Resources of the Counties of Colusa, Glenn, Lake, Marin, Napa, Solano, Sonoma, Yolo|chapter=Escalle Quarry|author1-first=Walter Wadsworth|author1-last=Bradley|publisher=California State Printing Office|year=1915}}
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-=== Did you know &hellip; ===
-&hellip; that [[Adolph Tiscornia|Adolph A. Tiscornia]]'s obituary in one newspaper gave him the titles "King of Kearny Street, Earl of the Eyesore" because of how he let his properties in [[Larkspur, California]] run down? [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] ([[User talk:Uncle G|talk]]) 09:04, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
-== Blocked IP ==
-G'day Drmies, please, I would like to ask you to check this "new" user, as the person behind its account is certainly the same person [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=1013112446#IP%27s_abuse you blocked] few days ago for vile diatribes on this [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Duchy_of_St_Sava TP]. They appeared again, but since you blocked their IP, they somehow managed to write [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Duchy_of_St_Sava&diff=1014405138&oldid=1014305667 this], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Duchy_of_St_Sava&diff=1014489110&oldid=1014485786 this], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Duchy_of_St_Sava&diff=1014489827&oldid=1014489110 this], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Duchy_of_St_Sava&diff=1014492521&oldid=1014491373 this], all one after another, first unsigned, and then with red-link user name, which I guess means they were unconfirmed(?), and then the last post was signed with "normal" blue-link signature ((auto)confirmed?). Tone of their posts is toned downed by notch, but the language is still inappropriate, with claims of conspiracy, all-caps point making and "important digressions" with insinuations, claiming "double standards" against users, seemingly based on, as stated in diatribes from few days ago, identity, and so on. All this, derailment of discussion with hardly relevant remarks on notability and RS notwithstanding, makes already tough discussion on controversial moves and edits (without consensus) even harder. If you get interested and have spare time, please check the situation. Thanks, stay safe and take care.--[[User:Santasa99|<span style="color:maroon;text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;font-size:0.8em;">'''౪ Santa ౪'''</span>]][[User talk:Santasa99|<span style="color:navy;text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;font-size:0.7em"><sup>'''''99°'''''</sup></span>]] 13:30, 27 March 2021 (UTC)