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Space weather task force

Bumping thread for 180 days days. Noah^Talk 14:43, 1 July 2021 (UTC) A few of us decided off wiki to make a space weather task force to cover the branch of meteorology dedicated to space weather. We need to outline every article that should be included here. Noah^Talk 00:55, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Hurricanehink: What thoughts would you have on this? Noah^Talk 02:00, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I love the idea. Wikipedia should be thorough and reflect the body of information that is out there. I believe we might need an article for Climate of the Moon, if we want to be thorough. I believe our mission should be as thorough as possible, with as much organization as possible, identifying a logical structure to all of the information presented. Some of these redlinks and stubs might one day be the best source of information for researchers who haven't even been born yet. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:52, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Ruslik0, Serendipodous, and Owllord97: Hello, I was wondering if you would be interested in having cooperation between our two projects. I would be interested to hear your input on what articles should be included in this taskforce. I have formed a preliminary list below of ones I have seen and feel should be included. Noah^Talk 00:36, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

solar wind, obviously. solar corona and nanoflare are the mechanisms generating the solar wind. thermoshere and exosphere if we're restricting ourselves to Earth, atmosphere of Mars and climate of Mars if we're not. Serendi ^podous 16:06, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*Weak Oppose creation. Space weather is distinct from Earthly weather. I guess we could include the climate articles for each planet in WPWeather, but solar storms and the like are quite unrelated to weather. Destroyer (Alternate account) 17:51, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- @Destroyeraa: I think it's worth including some of the space stuff in the article, as it has a big impact on our weather and the way we forecast it. For example, Katrina was partially attributed to variations in fluxes of galacticcosmic rays. However, my biggest question with the whole project is how far we should go with things where the weather played an important role and potentially changed history like World War 2 (D-Day or the German invasion of Russia) or the Miami Building Collapse.Jason Rees (talk) 20:10, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- We need to cover all forms of weather as that is what this project is about. We can't pick and choose which ones we do and which we don't. Space storms have had a profound impact on people in the past and should be covered. Noah^Talk 20:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- This isn't really up for a vote. WikiProject Weather was set up to cover all areas of weather in general, and it was already decided that we would have a Space Weather Task Force to address the topic of space weather itself. Also, no, space weather is definitely still weather. The only difference is that it happens in space, rather than on Earth. Why should we exclude space weather from this project? There isn't any good reason for doing so. This is WikiProject Weather, NOT WikiProject Earth Weather. And space weather also constitutes a separate branch of meteorology, so it definitely warrants inclusion in this project. Given the significance and scope of space weather, the only other alternative would be to set up a separate WikiProject for space weather, but that would just result in a mostly-inactive project (like WPNTS) with numerous overlaps with both WikiProject Weather and WikiProject Astronomy, so this option is better. For the record, I support the creation of the Space Weather Task Force and its proposed organizational structure, as is. This branch of meteorology definitely needs to be covered in a general weather project, and I think that the organizational structure proposed below is an excellent one. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 20:58, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Organization

Space weather (top)

Atmosphere

Great Red Spot

HD 209458 b

Stellar atmosphere

Photosphere

Chromosphere

Solar corona

Heliosphere

Heliospheric current sheet

Space climate (high)

August 2021 North America heat wave

New stub: August 2021 North America heat wave ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:22, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Can project members please help decide if August 2021 North America heat wave is worth expanding, merging, or deleting? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:58, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal - merge the stub to create Heat waves of 2021.

Using this stub, and any others, to create the article, will help add to Wikipedia's documentation of another form of natural disaster. Most heat waves will cause some deaths and drought, and not every one needs to have an article, but they should be documented. Most countries have a strict definition of "heat wave", so it's not like the article would mention any just warm period. Eventually, we should have heat waves for other years. Let's start with this year so we can develop the series. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:45, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to move August 2021 North America heat wave to Heat waves of 2021 (or, 2021 heat waves?), if editors decide that's a reasonable path forward. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:05, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think we need to tread very carefully around these heatwave articles (PS Heatwave not heat waves etc), as it maybe better to have an overall article talking about the Weather in Summer 2021 in the US especially with today's news that it is the hottest summer on record in the US.Jason Rees (talk) 20:53, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'd rather have the article created than be too worrisome about the title (it is two words btw according to the article title). Most summers are the hottest on record. Having a US focus might mean we miss heatwaves elsewhere. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:28, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Last chance to move or do something else with this page, which will be deleted tomorrow! Thanks either way ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:52, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I merged the article (along with two other low-notability heat wave articles) into an article for heat waves in 2021, or should it be heat waves of 2021? Anyway, I think the 2021 British Isles heat wave and the 2021 Eurasia winter heatwave could probably be merged as well. Eventually we can create yearly articles for other heat waves. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:24, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Space weather task force?

Hello, WikiProject Weather folks,

I've been going through unused WikiProject categories, mostly from inactive and defunct WikiProjects, and came across a few categories that are tagged as being part of a "Space weather task force" that is part of this project but I can't find any more information about this "task force". I'm not sure what "space weather" is or how it is a part of what this WikiProject monitors so I thought I'd see if anyone here could provide information on whether this was actually an existing task force that did things or an invention from years ago that is long dead. If you can help, please reply. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:43, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz: This wikiproject is trying to improve the quality and coverage of weather on Wikipedia, which has involved the creation of various taskforces including one to deal with Space Weather. If you read the discussion above, you will find a rough idea of what is intended to be included in the task force.Jason Rees (talk) 20:42, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Guideline proposals

Creating a thread for guideline proposals for this project. Noah^Talk 01:00, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Coverage guideline

1.0 Climate: 1.1 Climate will be covered at the planet level for Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, Uranus, and Pluto (Earth is Climate).; 1.2 Climate will be covered at the continent level for North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, and Antarctica.; 1.3 Climate will be covered at the country level for every country.; 1.4 Climate will be covered at the state, territory, or province-level as long as it is of sufficient land size (RS coverage required).; 1.5 Climate will be covered at the city level as long as they have a certain population and cover a sufficient land area (RS coverage required).; 1.6 Climate will be covered for large natural features such as mountains and forests.; 1.7 Climate may be covered for cities or villages that have a unique climate (ex: high up in the mountains) as long as there is sufficient coverage.
2.0 Floods: 2.1 Floods will be covered in yearly articles.; 2.2 Floods will be covered at the country level for all countries (lists).; 2.3 Floods will be covered at the state, territory, or province-level for regions with many occurrences (lists); 2.4 All notable floods will receive their own article given they have sufficient coverage; 2.5 Floods are deemed notable if they cause millions of dollars (USD) in damage or kill people.; 2.6 Floods may also be deemed notable with the lack of a damage figure or death toll if there is sufficient coverage to suggest that 2.5 has been met.; 2.7 Floods that cause minimal damage or no deaths are non-notable events.

Input for 1.4 and 1.5

Need input for what sufficient land size would be for 1.4 and what a certain population + sufficient land area would be. Noah^Talk 01:42, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I would recommend about 40,000 sq mi for 1.4, although I am unsure for 1.5... I think we definitely need to make articles for all mega cities, but I don't know what we should do beyond this. I would like suggestions for these specific guidelines. Keep in mind this is not a discussion to determine whether the above guidelines will be used, so please do not comment on that. This is simply a discussion to help facilitate the development of a proposal. Noah^Talk 01:42, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WP Met merger: Hidden category for articles

In order to implement the merger of WP met, a hidden category will be added to every remaining article to ensure the unsorted articles (no taskforces) are added to a list and can be sorted into taskforces at a future time. Noah^Talk 02:10, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hurricane Noah - just leaving a message to let you know I've created Category:WikiProject Weather article with no task force as requested, and will shortly begin a AWB run to add the category to the articles listed at https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Meteorology (classed as C, Start, Stub, Future, and List). I'll be starting with the 153 "C class" articles - these will be entirely supervised edits ~TNT (she/her • talk) 17:13, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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	In order to implement the merger of WP met, a hidden category will be added to every remaining article to ensure the unsorted articles (no taskforces) are added to a list and can be sorted into taskforces at a future time. [[User:Hurricane Noah\|<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200"><b>Noah</b></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Hurricane Noah\|<span style="color:#ff0000"><b>Talk</b></span>]]</sup> 02:10, 4 October 2021 (UTC)		In order to implement the merger of WP met, a hidden category will be added to every remaining article to ensure the unsorted articles (no taskforces) are added to a list and can be sorted into taskforces at a future time. [[User:Hurricane Noah\|<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200"><b>Noah</b></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Hurricane Noah\|<span style="color:#ff0000"><b>Talk</b></span>]]</sup> 02:10, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
			:Hi {{u\|Hurricane Noah}} - just leaving a message to let you know I've created [[:Category:WikiProject Weather article with no task force]] as requested, and will shortly begin a [[WP:AWB\|AWB]] run to add the category to the articles listed at https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Meteorology (classed as C, Start, Stub, Future, and List). I'll be starting with the 153 "C class" articles - these will be entirely supervised edits ~[[User:TheresNoTime\|TNT]] (she/her • [[User talk:TheresNoTime\|talk]]) 17:13, 4 October 2021 (UTC)