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Occult King of the Hill

I have recently come to the conclusion that self proclaimed occultists, often feel obligated to dismissing the ideologies of previous occultists. This is most notable with Anton LaVey and Aleister Crowley. I am not accusing these men of anything, I simply want to know if others have noticed the neccesity of occultists to break away from traditional occult ideas and dismiss them as rubish. In reality many of theses examples blatantly steal from the previous.

This is a better subject for a newsgroup. I'm sure there are authors who state that Crowley and LaVey broke with tradition. What they say may or may not be worth including in some of the articles here. What we think about the issue is of no interest though. Fuzzypeg☻ 23:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Crowley had a lot to do with modern NeoPaganism, as he helped both Gardner and Nichols develop Wicca and Druidism respectively. SundarkAdept (talk) 00:57, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Occult Belgium

quote: Between World War I and World War II the centre of occult and mystical activity in Western Europe was shifted from France to Belgium. Belgium became the main centre for many esoteric brotherhoods and secret societies of which many branches still exist today.

Being a Belgian myself, I must say I never heard about this myself. I certainly never learned about this in the national history lessons. Could the author please be more specific on this. (This same sentence can also be found in Belgium.) Fortinbras 10:20, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Ordo Mentis

Since that time many authors have added insight to the study of the Occult by drawing parallels between different disciplines. One of the most notable organizations is Ordo Mentis which created a system of magick from the roots of many different systems and styles.

I've been reading on occult topics for years and never heard of Ordo Mentis and what I find on the Web suggests this is more advertising hyperbole than fact.

Adistius 01:51, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Movecraft

The article contains this passage:

Occultism has seen countless resurgences throughout history, possibly because some people who investigate the occult seek for movecraft,...

What is movecraft? Neither wikipedia nor Merriam Webster's dictionary defines it. Funkyj 21:19, 2005 August 28 (UTC)

Scrying

I would like to invite editors on this page to comment on a discussion taking place at talk:Scrying, a user there has stated that Dowsing and Physiognomy are forms of Scrying, and that Scrying is in fact another word for divination, I would very much like to see further comments on this definition. Thanks - Solar 09:16, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Request for your aid dealing with actions from a user against Religious, Spiritual and Esoteric articles

User:Baphomet. is damaging Wikipedia: he his trying to label Religious articles as Superstition (from a POV view of positivism, that he calls Science). At the article Reincarnation he just went on to add to category "Superstition" and later on without discussion put a POV msg in the article. Please see the discussion page between both of us Talk:Reincarnation#Superstition.

Through the use of a Culture created by extremism in Science, he is clearly trying to do the job that the Inquisition did in the Middle Ages in a Culture created by extremism in Religion. He is damaging Wikipedia in a subtle invious way!

Please see also the Alert message I have created at Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts#September_4, Thank you! --GalaazV 20:25, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

I agree. I have had to delete the word "superstition" and the category "suprstition" from many factual articles on folklore as well. Additionally, the article on curses i just edited contained a flat statement that curses are "psychological" in effect, the spurious category "fictional curses," and a lengthy diatribe against Gypsiess (Roma) and priests of various religions, charging them with laying fraudulent (curses for money. The doctrine of prositivsm is all well and good, but its adherents should not meddle in factual articles that describe opposing viewpoints to theirs. If these were articles on mainstream religions, the interjection of words like "superstition" and "fictional curses" and "fraudulent" would be viewed as vandalism; in the context of articles about the occult, there is much more laxity permitted toward insults of this sort. I shall be monitoring various occult- and magic-related pages for these biased POVs and deleting them, and i invite oters to do so as well. Catherineyronwode 18:59, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

What in the world does invious mean? It's not in the dictionary.

It was a misspelling of the word envious or appropriation of the extra-Anglic word invidit.

It might also be a typo of "invidious"

Septegram 12:22, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Points of view from different faiths

Could anyone supply information on how the expression "occult" is understood from the points of view of various religious faiths? Even that from a secular point of view is welcome. I am requesting this because the article is heavily imbalanced as it exposits almost exclusively Christian points of view.

Pioneer of Occult

Nobody ever mentioned who was the pioneer of Occults? PassionInfinity 20:19, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Possibly because no pioneer exists in such a generalised topic as The Occult. We might speak of the Western Occult tradition, in which case the "pioneer" would be Albertus Magnus, Christian Rosenkreutz, or Paracelsus depending on our outlook. We must understand it was not Edward Alexander Crowley nor Anton LaVey, as these gentlemen were modern phenomena and their explorations had been done many centuries prior to their birth. (-anonymous)

I'd say that Hermes Trismegistus could be called the pioneer of the Occult. The text of Emerald Tablet is probably the earliest Occultist manifesto, especially the second paragraph:

"That which is below is as that which is above, and that which is above is as that which is below, to perform the miracles of the one thing"

Krambambuli (talk) 13:23, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

-ology

Hi I am just letting you know that I removed the references of astrology and numerology from the occult and christianity section, becuase even though to some christians astrology can be scams and consider it unwise to believe it's misterious powers (mostly devout or fundementalists do so) I don't consider it to be occult, cuz it is not associated with demons and\or the devil

Perhaps you need to start by actually reading the article Occult and figure out what the word means before you go through wikipedia removing Category:Occult from dozens of articles, Marc. The word doesn't imply any relation to demons and/or the devil, as should be obvious from the article. Please don't make changes to articles whose subject matter you are unfamiliar with! Fuzzypeg 08:30, 15 January 2006 (UTC)