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After a jurisdictional problem wherein a corps was discovered within the Murry ( between NSW and Victoria ).. it was decided that the Murry waters when on the boarder between NSW and Victoria would be NSW Territory.

There are still cases about crimes and things... like what if evidence was on teh south bank ( vic ) , but it errodes and falls into the river??

This page has a little info on the case.

http://www.surveyorsboard.vic.gov.au/guidelines.htm

People

Is there a "people/population" section linked to this article? I would have thought it pretty essential. And having just two lines about sport and culture is an insult to what is arguably a world leader in both categories.

Population

which is the correct population? the one in the first paragraph or the one in the side box? Xtra

They may *both* be correct. The population, as measured in the 2001 census, was 4,644,950. However, over the past three years the population has grown; the 2004 figure must be a projection, though I'd like to know from *where*. If we can verify the 2004 projection as from the ABS, we should probably use that figure rather than the older one. If not, we should stick with the older one. --Robert Merkel 20:37, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Of course, the updated population was by a bloody anonymous user, so there's no way we can ask them where they got the new figure from... :( --Robert Merkel 20:42, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

OK, the latest ABS data I can find on their website is a projection for 2002. I'm tempted to just go with the 2001 census number. Any objections? --Robert Merkel 21:29, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Annual Manangatang Races

If we're going to mention sporting events like the Annual Manangatang Races, which, up until now I had never heard of, shouldn't there also be mention of Victoria's bigger sporting events, like the Melbourne Cup, Australian Open, and the (motorcycle and Formula One) Grands Prix? Novakreo 28 June 2005 06:09 (UTC)

yes. BTW what is a Manangatang? Xtra 28 June 2005 10:51 (UTC)

Requested move (2005)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

The initiator of this move feels that Victoria, Australia is better than Victoria (Australia) as per naming convention.

Oppose. See my comment below. – AxSkov (☏) 08:45, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Same. Xtra 09:16, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Ditto. — Felix the Cassowary 12:14, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. violet/riga (t) 10:32, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

I always thought the brackets made the pipe-trick nice and easy to do.. -- Chuq 10:29, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Victoria is its own jurisdiction and is the official name of the place. It is not just a location within a country. The need for the brackets is for dissambiguation purposes alone. As such Victoria, Australia is an incorrect name. Xtra 11:47, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I also prefer the current name.

Apropos the name of the jurisdiction, in historical documents it's often seen referred to as the Colony of Victoria and in post-federation documents as the State of Victoria (in contrast to the Commonwealth of Australia). The 'Colony' and 'State' are capitalised, and it makes it look they're a part of the name. Is and has always been the name actually title-less, merely: Victoria, or was it historically the Colony of Victoria and then the State of Victoria? Perhaps someone here knows.

Felix the Cassowary 12:38, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It is interchangable. But I think that the name is "Victoria". Xtra 12:49, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer the current name too. The state is generally called 'Victoria' by most people; the (Australia) part is just to dab it from the other Victoria's in the world. – AxSkov (T) 05:18, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer the new suggestion as that is in keeping with other articles such as towns, i.e. Bendigo, Victoria isn't Bendigo (Victoria). Also, people searching for the article are going to type in Victoria, Australia over Victoria (Australia) and at the moment that means being redirected. In my opinion. --Silversmith Hewwo 08:50, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, but Victoria's not a town, and which other state is at Statename, Australia? "Victoria, Australia" sounds odd to me. (Anyway, if Bendigo weren't at 'Bendigo, Victoria', it'd be at 'Bendigo', because there's no disambig needed.) The (Australia)'s just a disambig, same as anything else. — Felix the Cassowary 09:33, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Victoria (Australian state), maybe? After Georgia (U.S. state). - Randwicked 19:16, 12 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That is really the same as the current name; which should be kept for purposes of accuracy. Xtra 02:22, 13 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. The bracketed text really should be a short descriptor, vis-à-vis Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Topic_page_naming. The current version suggests to my pedantic self that Victoria is a type of Australia. But that's just me. - Randwicked 12:23, 13 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think Victoria (Australian state) would be better here. — Trilobite (Talk) 10:40, 14 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Population density

The intro has Victoria as the most densely populated state in Australia. The box lists it as second. Does this need an update?

No contradiction. The box ranking includes territories as well. Victoria is second to ACT.

Further on this topic: Densest state I'll grant, but most urbanised? How is this measured? - ҉ Randwicked ҉ 04:40, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

here's a citation, from 2001. Victoria and New South Wales are equally the most urbanised states (both 89%). Does anyone have a newer reference? - ҉ Randwicked ҉

Selective deletion

I am about to delete from the article history those revisions whose content and/or edit summaries libel Xtra, per Wikipedia's libel policy. Selective deletion requires full deletion followed by selective restoration. Therefore this article will be deleted for a very brief period of time. Snottygobble 04:40, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Complete. Snottygobble 04:41, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed move to Victoria, Australia

Please refer to discussion at Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board#Victoria -- Longhair 22:22, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Conversation was archived to Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board/Archive 21#Victoria. I don't see a consensus to move. --Scott Davis ^Talk 14:59, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Where is Victoria?

The history of Victoria here is all wrong.

Yes, the colony of NSW existed but ended near Yass. Past that it was referred to as 'The Wasteland' not New Holland. 'Wasteland' has a meaning other than the obvious. Its political as well as nomenclature. What about 'Terre Napoleon' that went to 36th parallel, also Neutsland, etc. Also New South Caledonia? The boundary was to be along the Murrumbidgee and all below that was Port Phillip. The Brits actually declared this. The aussies wanted it south of the Murray. Guess what the aussies did. They moved the Murray. Easy. Then it matched what the Brits had declared. When south of Yass opened up, there were three NSW (which in those days also included current day Vic.), districts, North, Middle and South with South, Port Phillip.

Do you have any reliable sources for any of this? It'd be an interesting bit of trivia if it were true. Although even if it were the case we couldn't say that the victorian boundaries are not where they have been marked on maps. I dare say that common law would dictate that the boundaries are where they are commonly agreed to be, and that this has been confirmed by numerous subsequent interstate agreements between the Vic and NSW Governments on such issues as resource and river management. The fact that the Vic Gov't hasn't attenpted to exercise jurisdictional authority outside its boundaries for over 150 years would have something to do with it too. -- Adz|talk 06:44, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New Projects!

Please note that they are new state based projects - it is well worth getting behind the Victorian one - to join in and improving your state project !08:56, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

political parties

Hi all

Somebody lumped the DLP and Greens in "Other". To be fair to all parties I have expanded the chart out to show all the parties and Independents that have representatives in The Victorian Parliament. I also changed the Greens color to Green (makes sense) and changed the National's color to light blue although arguably I could have used the same color blue as the Liberals. I had no idea what to use for the DLP so they got purple.

Pberrett 07:39, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Victoria - The Place To Be

This is a slogan of the current Victorian government and not of the State of Victoria and thus would be better included included on the Victorian government page.

List of Premiers

Someone compiled a table with a list of Premiers. Such a table already exists on Premiers of Victoria, and includes links to articles about all the Premiers, as well as their political affiliation. It seemed to me the list on this page duplicated that information and added far more detail than required for a general page about Victoria, so I removed it. --Michael Johnson 00:23, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Regions ?

I think the article would really benefit from a region map of Victoria. Victoria has some very distinct regions (ie. Mallee, Gippsland, Goldfields etc and these aren't clearly defined in the article. --Rulesfan (talk) 06:02, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually no it doesn't. These regions are really ill-defined, and governments have many different regions for different purposes. No two boundaries are the same. It would be really difficult, and not much assistance as these regions don't really mean much. --Michael Johnson (talk) 06:56, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps it might be worth creating an article similar to Regions of Queensland and Regions of Western Australia, which could discuss the various regions, however ill defined they may be. Ill-defined or not, there is no denying that there are regions, and that Bairnsdale is not in the same region as Bendigo. It's just a suggestion. I don't really have time to work on the article at the moment, but I thought I'd put it out there. -- Adz|talk 04:13, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Where the Western Australian one exists is exactly the point that Michael is discouraging about - there are so many forms of regional division - from different authorities and that is why exactly the article exists - to see how the local government, and other departmentes make a mess of it all - so as for meaning much is the whole point for in the end an article of regional messups in each state Satu Suro 00:55, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well that is something different. An article describing regional boundaries for different authorities might be quite useful. But that is different from trying to draw some lines on a map, plonking it in this article, and saying that is the Mallee or the Gippsland region. The trouble is these "regions" are more concepts than realities. --Michael Johnson (talk) 01:19, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh, tell me about it - tourist promo authorities are the worse at that as well creating tourist regions with admin powers under their acts or regs but nowhere else - we have in perth 'sunset coast' blah Satu Suro 01:27, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

VICTORIAN BUSHFIRES

Is it appropriate to have the paragraph on the February 2009 Victorian Bushfires in the History section? The fires are still occurring and casualties are still being counted. The entry also contains several spelling mistakes and poor grammar. Would it be more appropriate to temporarily have the information on the bushfires in it's own section until the event is over & then move it to the history section once all details are known? Swampy 121.216.3.222 (talk) 12:35, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

European settlement

Is there contradiction between the statements in the lead and the section History regarding European settlement? Lead says; "European settlement in Victoria began in the 1830s as a farming community." History section says; "The first European settlement in Victoria which was established in October 1803 under Lieutenant-Governor David Collins at Sullivan Bay, Victoria on Port Phillip Bay." Bleakcomb (talk) 08:01, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looking further, the Portland article says; "By the early 1800s, whalers and sealers were working the treacherous waters of Bass Stait and Portland Bay provided good shelter and fresh water which enabled them to establish the first white settlement in the area." Bleakcomb (talk) 08:06, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it is so much a contradiction as something that needs clarification. The whaling settlements were temporary arrangements and the 1803 settlement was abandoned in 1804. The 1835 settlements at Portland and Melbourne managed to endure. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 09:24, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

August Melbourne Meetup

A new Melbourne Meetup is being organised for Sunday 9 August, 2009. The chief programs officer for the Wikimedia Foundation, Jennifer Riggs will be in town and is looking forward to meeting some of the local wikipedians. So, please check out Wikipedia:Meetup/Melbourne 14 and sign up if you can make it. Cuddy Wifter (talk) 07:28, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

peculiar graphs

The climate of Victoria's capital Melbourne, which is located on Victoria's central south coast, as measured and recorded at the Regional Office (altitude 31.2m).
The climate of Mildura on the Murray River on the north-western border of Victoria as measured and recorded at the Airport (altitude 50m).
The climate of Wilsons Promontory which constitutes the southernmost tip of Victoria and the Australian mainland as measured and recorded at the Lighthouse (altitude 88.7 m/291 ft).

This is very odd in the body of an article. I've removed them. No one could possibly read the information without clicking to high-res: they look like some kind of motherboard. The information needs to be expressed in proper graphs made for the purpose. Tony (talk) 01:46, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move (2010)

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:52, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Victoria (Australia) → Victoria (Australian state) — "State" should be included at the end according to article guidelines like Georgia (U.S. state) and Washington (U.S. state). ApprenticeFan ^{talk contribs} 14:08, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support sounds good. 70.29.208.247 (talk) 04:54, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.