As far as I know, there is no reason to add wikiprojects to redirects. Is there an easy way to suppress the 'autostart' feature for redirects? It would also be nice if it wouldn't pop up when looking at the history of an article, but I can live with that if it is not an easy thing to do. — Insertcleverphrasehere(or here)14:11, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Many WikiProject banners templates track redirects and auto-rate as redirect when the parameters are absent. Last I checked, though, the rater.js defaults to blank parameters instead of start+low parameters, if that's what you mean. czar23:24, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Czar Are you saying that we should be adding wikiproject templates to redirects? I've never done this and I've seen the removed from articles that had been converted to redirect. I was referring to the autostart feature, which is disabled by default, but which automatically triggers and pops the rater up when no wikiprojects are listed on the article's talk page. IMO the autostart feature is amazing as is, but should be disabled on redirects, because nearly all redirects lack wikiprojects and there is little reason to add wikiprojects to redirects, though perhaps if some people like to tag wikiprojects onto redirects (not sure if this is a thing or not) it would be better to create a toggle for this? — Insertcleverphrasehere(or here)23:44, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, many but not all WikiProjects classify redirects (Category:Redirect-Class articles). The ones that don't might remove the banner rather than letting the template sit as "unknown-class". Ah, I misunderstood "autostart" and don't have that activated myself so don't mind me czar00:48, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Create Talk page if nonexistent?
@Evad37: At the moment, the script cowardly refuses to manifest when the "Talk" link is red. Would it be possible to enable it to create the talk page as well? `— AfroThundr(t•c)
I haven't had an issue with this. As long as the mainspace page exists, the Rater tab consistently shows and will create the talk page. czar02:09, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Evad37: Ok, I figured out what was happening. The only places I ran into this error is on category pages. The script appears on category talk pages, but not on the category page itself. Everywhere else still works fine. — AfroThundr (u · t · c)08:59, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, only on the category talk page will the script work for me. On the category page itself, the tab doesn't appear and I can't summon it with the shortcut either. — AfroThundr (u · t · c)15:02, 1 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
AFC banner and Geology
Hi Evad! Thanks for another great, timesaving tool. Two things: (a) When an article is reviewed at AFC and accepted into main space, but no other assessment is made by the reviewer, only {{WikiProject Articles for creation}} will be added to the talk page. Even if rater_autostartNamespaces = 0; is set, Rater will then detect the AFC banner and no longer autostarts. Would some kind of "if only found 'WikiProject Articles for creation' then autostartanyway"-exemption be an idea? (b) In Special:Diff/847566836/847566871 the addition of {{WikiProject Geology}} caused the concurrent addition of {{Geology|class=Stub}} under the banner shell. Thanks again, SamSailor10:53, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah this would be a good change. Glad to see that someone else is using the autostart feature, I requested it and Evad37 put so much work into it, but I was kinda afraid that I might be the only one using it 😉. I wish that the autostart didn't pop up when visiting page history pages though, as it can be a bit annoying. Toggleable for redirects would be great as well, as I rarely have the need to add wikiprojects to redirect talk pages, and is generally just an annoyance. But really, whatever is convenient. — Insertcleverphrasehere(or here)11:32, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It is, the autostart feature, a very nice detail, and Evad deserves a lot of thanks for implementing it. As Insertcleverphrasehere suggests there are also cases where it could be nice to suppress autostart, e.g. when the article contains {{Db-*}}, {{Proposed deletion/dated}}, and {{Prod blp/dated}} and perhaps some I did not think about? I fully understand if it's not the first priority on your to-do-list. SamSailor14:18, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Load time and blp parameter in banner shell
On an article like Jalaluddin Haqqani, I initially thought that Rater for some reason would not load. It turned out that I was wrong, it just takes (for me at least) some 8–10 seconds before it loads. Stick in a Hang on! Loading! message?
In cases like this, the banner goes below the comment. Setting it to go on top of everything else is likely correct in most cases? Thanks, SamSailor21:56, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Remove Template:Stub from the bottom of the page when rating as higher than a stub
Many stub articles include {{stub}} or some variant. When rating the article as higher than a stub (ex. start or C class) it would be nice if these were removed automatically. LittlePuppers (talk) 04:29, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This feature could certainly be useful, but I would prefer an option to prompt the user, or a checkbox, instead of a fully automatic removal. — AfroThundr (u · t · c)02:30, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Could it be possible to automatically generate the listas parameter for {{WikiProject Women scientists}}, as it acts like the {{WP Bio}}s listas parameter.
At the moment the textbox for listas will show as auto-filled on the dialog box, even when a new value has been copied and pasted in. It should probably not show auto-filled when a value is copied and pasted in. Thanks, Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions09:40, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Detect the use of 'n' and 'y' when used in a parameter that takes 'no' or 'yes' (such as {{WP Bio}}s living)
Is there a way to set it so that it doesn't automatically fill in importance? I wanted to go through all of the articles that have a quality rating from one wikiproject, but are missing it from another, and just use the same rating, without needing to remove the automatically-assessed importance each time.
@Gryllida, yes, press "enter" when it loads to automatically open the "add wikiproject" prompt. You can then use autocomplete and "enter" to add the wikiproject. The button to add another WikiProject will automatically be selected, if you want to add another. To save changes, press tab seven times (to select the button) and "enter" once more. czar19:38, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Czar; it'd be nice to add a separate keyboard shortcut for saving changes also as I would like to add a ton of newly created pages to wikiprojects to increase their involvement in the improvement of these pages. Gryllida (talk) 10:11, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Gryllida:I checked your contribs and it seems you haven't been using Rater in a while. Since you made this comment, Evad37 added alt-shift-S as a save button! That should make it a lot easier to use for you. Good luck! Prometheus720 (talk) 15:12, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sometimes I find myself in a situation where I want to unset all ratings on a page, for example when the importance is automatically filled in for a bunch of wikiprojects. At the moment this requires unsetting them all manually, or setting all the parameters to something and then setting them to nothing. What would be useful is an "Unset" option for the set all box, which would save time. Danski454 (talk) 20:00, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I could use a modified version of this. Sometimes I need to remove all quality ratings from all banners (such that the banner templates can auto-assess as redirects, for example), but while the "set all" drop-down lets me set B-class, etc., there is no option to set all quality ratings to blank. This is slightly different from unset all, but could be useful. czar20:24, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
When I am going through Category:Biography articles without living parameter I might be rating several articles in a short space of time. For the fist few the listas and living are present (and listas autofills), but after around 2-3 articles the rater box does not already include living and listas. There does not seem a obvious reason for this (the class still autofills). There are not any errors in the console which seem to come from rater. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions09:39, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Removing class and importance tags incorrectly placed on templates crashes
Some WikiProject templates do not have importance parameters (e.g. {{WikiProject Biography}}). If an importance parameter is added, and the user tries to remove it using rater, then the program crashes when generating an edit summary. This also occurs when removing the class parameter from {{WikiProject Essays}}. The error is at lines 1046 and 1047.
I was trying to use the script, but had issues on the MILHIST template. I checked the template data to one that did work (Template:WikiProject_Biography) and one thing I noticed was that the biography template had the values all lowercase, while MILHIST had some with first letter capitalized. Is this what is causing it not to work? If it is, I would assume the MILHIST template would need to be changed, as opposed to the script, right? Thanks! WelpThatWorked (talk) 20:03, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
MHIST
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– more or less (MILHIST ratings may still take a long time to load until they are cached)
Great script! I especially like the auto-load feature that I enabled. However, when I add {{WikiProject Military history}}, the template does not show up on the rater. Further, it auto fills the parameters b1=b2=b3=b4=b5= as "no". It would be nice to be able to actually see the template and check or un-check those parameters. Additionally, not saying you have to do it, but leaving a space where wiki projects could add information like task forces to their template would be great. Thanks again! Eddie891TalkWork16:37, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Does not appear where after adding what? The instructions show how to edit the MILHIST banner's TemplateData to change the default labels when adding the banner. (You can also add other task force parameters through the rater interface.) czar21:08, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hm. Strange. If you type "WikiProject Military history" perfectly each time, it should add the right template as long as the connection is good. If that doesn't work, might be a bug. (If it is a bug, might be hard to track down, as it usually works.) But more often than not, I would just type "military" in that input box and select the right project name rather than needing to get the template name exact. czar22:17, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
MILHIST, and maybe one or two other banners, have a nonstandard internal structure which for some reason results in the script (most likely, the action=parse API) taking a really long time to determine the applicable classes and importances, retrieve the TemplateData, and appear – 10 to 12 seconds on my connection (which is about 7Mbps download speed). Once it's done, it will be cached in localStorage for future use, which should make it faster next time (on the same computer). But that's not such a great UX, so I might have to make a special-case hardcoding of the classes/importances for MILHIST. - Evad37[talk]00:45, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
An FYI for @Audiodude: - You might already know about nonstandard MILHIST template mentioned above, but just in case I thought to pass this your way. Cheers! JoeHebda (talk) 18:43, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Errors when adding additional parameters to {{Computing}} template
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For some reason, when I add an additional parameter (in this case |security=) to {{Computing}}, Rater produces an error dialog Warning {{security}} is not a recognized WikiProject banner. Do you want to continue?. It seems that adding a parameter is triggering the check for a valid WikiProject banner. This only happened the first time I added a parameter to the template. Attempting to add another one in a separate edit (e.g. |security-importance=) didn't trigger the warning again. — AfroThundr (u · t · c)02:51, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
{{maths rating}} is a sore subject for me. People have asked them in the past to standardize and only have one banner like the rest of us, but they were not into it. Banner standardization is something that I have already started work on and it's on my to-do list to go over there and start yet another conversation about it. I don't think that Rater should work around their system--I think that they should standardize. Just my two cents. Prometheus720 (talk) 15:07, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Rater broke for me on Microorganism. Text below:
Rater [v.1.2.0]
Initialising:
Loading talkpage wikitext... Done!
Parsing talkpage templates...
Checking if page redirects... Done!
Retrieving quality prediction... Done!
Building interface... Failed. API error: TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of null
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I have never had this happen before and I've used Rater for dozens of pages (thanks by the way). Any idea on what is causing this problem on this page specifically? I can tell you more about my beta settings and so on if that might matter. Thanks again for this lovely tool! Prometheus720 (talk) 15:54, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
One of the templates on the talk page isn't being parsed correctly by the script. I'll have to investigate further to determine the exact problem. - Evad37[talk]13:49, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Also found breaking on Stepnogorsk Scientific and Technical Institute for Microbiology when I tried to add the Wikiproject:Military History template. I think they have a weird one. It didn't show up in the panel (though it was added in the source code). When I tried to open Rater again after adding, it broke and would not load. Upon checking the source in the talk page I found that they have a really weird syntax. Another problem project is maths (they have two templates, one of which is a glorified category called maths banner). It is on my to-do list to talk to these projects and some others and attempt to standardize so that tools like yours are more effective. If you are interested in that conversation let me know. Prometheus720 (talk) 15:59, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Evad37: I found another page, Julian Huxley, which has the milhist banner and yet does not break Rater! This one came up looking pretty weird, yes, but it still worked. I had no trouble. So I guess the question is, what is different between the format of this milhist banner and how it is set up on pages that break Rater? Prometheus720 (talk) 01:23, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Any way to include pageview count from page information in the Rater panel?
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– Available from the Xtools gadget
I make my decisions on importance based mainly on 3 factors--traffic, importance to the project's discipline (which is sort of like anticipating traffic if the article is better linked-to), and which projects have the most responsibility for the article based on content. Pageview count is a huge part of my assessments, there is no access key for it, and I have to open it in a new tab. It really slows me down. I would estimate that I could probably rate another 25% to 30% more articles in an hour if pageviews were just easy to see in the panel. I am NOT asking for machine-generated importance ratings. I think that would not be good. I'm asking for you to provide the information to users, that's all. I would trade waiting a little longer for it to load, by the way. It's almost certainly faster than me doing it manually. Anyway, thanks again for Rater! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prometheus720 (talk • contribs) 16:06, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a way to exclude the {{WikiProject Articles for creation}} banner so that the autostart can work if that is the only WikiProject banner on the talk page? I feel like any article with only the AFC banner probably needs a more specific banner on the talk page. --Nessie (talk) 20:45, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I totally agree, Nessie. Might be good for {{Wikiproject Biography}} as well. Honestly, I wouldn't mind having a setting to just have it come up on every page I visit--but only if it had an off button in the interface rather than making me go back and flip the bit in my js settings. Sometimes I have to actually use Wikipedia instead of editing it! Prometheus720 (talk) 15:03, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Feedback on WP Invention
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Greetings, When I attempt to add "Invention" I get the warning box saying it's not a wikiproject. When I type "WikiProject Invention" it adds correctly. Example here. Also on that page, if I activate Rater a second time, Invention does not show up on the list as already being there even though it is present. JoeHebda (talk) 13:42, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@JoeHebda: If you start typing "Invention" and then select the entry from the dropdown menu, it will automatically add the "WikiProject " to input box. Otherwise, if you just hit enter after typing, the script thinks you mean the non-existent {{Invention}}. The script allows this – typing in any template name (with a warning that it might not be a project banner) – since sometimes project banners have shortcuts like {{HWY}} → {{WikiProject Highways}}, or occasionally a template might not be in the list of project banners (e.g. if it isn't categorised correctly, or if it is very new). - Evad37[talk]14:08, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Access key for "Save changes" button?
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Wondering if there is any keypress to do the "Save changes"? The reason I ask is that the button moves up & down the page depending on how many WPs there are. And sometimes the entire Rater box has a lot of empty whitespace after only 1 or two wikiprojects. JoeHebda (talk) 14:34, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Done I've added s as an access key – Alt+⇧ Shift+S on Windows. (I do intend to redesign the whole dialog box at some point, but it hasn't been my highest priority) - Evad37[talk]15:09, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Greetings, Today for first time Rater showed no WPs on this talk page. After I moved to top, Rater now sees them. A minor concern since probably 99-percent of pages are setup correctly. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 14:54, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If you looked on the talk page, there were {{}} weirdly-bracketed statements. You can still see them if you check the history, of course. It looks like they were trying to make some sort of template for Women in Red. I followed the link to an Edinburgh edit-a-thon page and found almost identical text there. I replaced the template with the proper one and added Women's history and an initial assessment. Feel free to add to it or revise my assessment if you disagree. Rater should now work on that page, btw. Thanks for posting in here! Prometheus720 (talk) 14:59, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Article with Template - WikiProject banner
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Greetings, For Talk:Antonia of Florence, the wikicode was for {{WikiProject banner|1= and Rater is not following the redirect to {{WikiProject banner shell|1=. I added the "shell" & now Rater correctly displays the WPs. JoeHebda (talk) 12:55, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@JoeHebda: Fixed (that redirect was created relatively recently, so I needed to add it as a known redirect of WikiProject banner shell) - Evad37[talk]02:29, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Greetings, At my common.js, I moved the Rater line up near the top (second place) of all the scripts. I noticed overall this causes a slight speedup for the Alt+5 to open Rater. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 13:51, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
needs-image para not visible in drop down for some WikiProjects
NessieVL, It may be because both template have templatedata (Meaning the script does not grab them itself), but the templatedata does not have the needs-image parameter listed. WelpThatWorked (talk) 15:50, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
WelpThatWorked I didn't even know what templatedata was, but I think I updated them correctly. I assume it takes a bit to propagate to the tool? Is this also how some template parameters (like some on {{WikiProject Biography}} have checkboxes or dropdowns instead of textboxes?
I have noticed this also, on any WP that does not use |importance= but has one listed anyways. If you try to remove it, rater stalls out.--Nessie (talk) 03:57, 9 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Greetings, Wondering if something in Rater tool can be changed to hilight a different color WPMILHIST when it displays? It is a very complicated wikiproject and I just received another talk page message about the incorrect assessments from Rater when I just take the defaults. The details are here on my talk page.
@Adamdaley: has alerted me several times of these errors. It would be helpful in Rater if that wikiproject was hilighted so I can then "Cancel" Rater & let someone else (an expert) deal with the article. Note: the backlog at Category:Unassessed biography articles was previously over 80,000. Yesterday I just completed the Hs & am now working on letter Is.
Rater is a really great tool for being able to quickly do assessments on a large number of articles. Many articles in the backlog are awaiting assessments for 1 to 2 years! Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 16:19, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Just don't have the rater tool. It's easy to assess WP:MILHIST. Another no no is putting all no's for the b class criteria. Adamdaley (talk) 09:44, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Adamdaley: - It would be helpful for MH Assessment Department if that no-no could be added to a new section title, maybe Assessment tips. This guidance and more of your knowledge is valuable. Thanks for contributing. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 13:13, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Adamdaley: I understand your frustration. MILHIST is a very active and respected WikiProject, and I know that Joe made an oops or two per your assessment rules. However, Rater is an incredibly useful tool for almost every other project on Wikipedia, and it's growing in usage because of that. I have personally used it to assess thousands of articles by myself--that task would be impossible if I had to go back and forth between talk page editing and the main article, looking at this or looking at that. Rater allows me to assess from the article page, without remembering exact names of projects (thank you autocomplete), and it allows me to very quickly see all the permitted classes of pages and select accurate ones. It also has autocomplete for extra parameters, which is absolutely 100% needed for the work Joe is doing (working in Biography which could overlap with literally ANY WikiProject out there). You say, "don't have the rater tool," but Joe is not working on MILHIST directly--Joe is working on probably thousands of articles that have many different WikiProjects which needto be added. And this will be a problem whether or not Joe is the one working on this backlog, or whether or not Joe uses Rater, or whether or not it's even a backlog. Every new article made through WP:BIO is going to have this same problem--people are unfamiliar with the MILHIST guidelines and should not be expected to be experts just to notify your project of an article within your scope.
I wrote a guide to the use of Rater, and I would be happy to coordinate with you on the development of a specific guide (or section) devoted to explaining MILHIST assessment to Rater users. I would like Rater and MILHIST to work together, because tools like Rater are desperately needed to maintain our nearly 6 million articles on enwiki, and because I respect the MILHIST model and the quality of your section of enwiki. However, I have to remind you, it is not possible to maintain this entire wiki with editing talk page banners in source mode. Please let me know if you'd be interested in such a joint measure.
And Joe, please do everyone a favor and be a little more careful in how you assess articles. I noticed several people upset with you on your talk page. I don't want to call you out but I don't get those responses. Quality is always better than quantity. I know it is a big backlog but there is no deadline. Thank you for your discussions and your great work on that backlog so far. Prometheus720 (talk) 15:50, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Adamdaley: I don't think you understand what Rater does. It allows for normal, manual assessment. A human fills out and checks all of the values input by Rater. It just makes it easier to do that with a little interface rather than making one go into the talk page source and flip back and forth to the article. It isn't a self-driving car, it's just a car with power steering. The human decides where to go and what to do, but it is made easier by a little technology.
Again, I understand your frustration but there is no need to be anything but friendly here. We are trying to build a good encyclopedia for everyone, here. People use Rater because it is a better system than editing talk pages, hands down, and more people will continue to use it as time goes on. I'm not at all asking for the B class criteria. I can find those myself, easily enough. What I am asking for is some cooperation between Rater users and MILHIST to develop a policy for how we can best serve your project. For example, maybe we could highlight your project in the window and give users a little notice. Maybe you'd prefer that we simply tag the page with your banner and not fill out any assessment info, and leave that to you. Or maybe you'd like something else. I have no idea. So if you are so worried about this, why don't we come up with a few guidelines, yeah? Prometheus720 (talk) 06:46, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've seen what JoeHebda does. He removes the "B class" criteria and still assess them as "C class" and that's not how it is done. The "B class" criteria requires that code to be there for, Start, C and B class. I've even put it there and he removes it and still classes that article as "C class" and I've asked him to do it properly. But removes it. Adamdaley (talk) 07:03, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I got the same issue, too. Rater is adding |B-Class-1=no |B-Class-2=no |B-Class-3=no |B-Class-4=no |B-Class-5=no to MILHIST banners, making it look like the user did the B-class criteria checks and all checks failed. SD0001 (talk) 05:53, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Technical solutions for using Rater with CAT:UNBIO Backlog
@SD0001: I would love that last feature and it would perhaps convince me to use categories for this, but currently I use the Article Lists tool/Project summary tables to do this. I can easily sort by letter and quality and it makes things much easier than using categories. I can also easily tell the tab apart from another Wikipedia tab because of the forge icon. Oh, and it takes me straight to the article. Only problem I run into is the rare redirect, which I eventually notice when it doesn't leave the list despite me thinking I have assessed the page. See my worklist on my user page. I just ctrl+click on all of those links every day (well, some of them) and assess all of the articles in them. I also have a guide to the use of Rater at User:Prometheus720/sandbox/Assessing Articles with Rater--A Detailed Guide. It's a draft but it should give some useful tips! I really ought to publish a tutorial video at some point. Prometheus720 (talk) 06:21, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Prometheus720: Done. If you want these features (i.e, no need to pres ctrl & auto open Rater) while using those wmflabs lists, do this:
Get this Chrome extension for setting up custom JS on websites (similar one would likely be available for Firefox too I think). Then while viewing any such list, enter the following JS in the extension's window, and save:
Now, it should work whenever you view any such list. You'll still need to have User:SD0001/UNBIO-article-links.js, to actually trigger Rater to open.
If you wish, I could also probably solve your problem with redirects, perhaps by making show in a different color. SD0001 (talk) 07:43, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Considering that it isn't just my problem and that this may benefit many other Rater users (and trust me, I plan on recruiting many, many more), yes I absolutely would like that! Do you mean to say you can do this in wmflabs, or only from categories? And a further question, is that extension essentially the same thing as Grease/tampermonkey? I'm not super familiar with such extensions but those two have a bit of brand recognition, I think. I think I will wait to install for a bit until you play with that redirect feature, but thanks in advance! Prometheus720 (talk) 12:37, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@SD0001 and Prometheus720: - Thanks to both of you. I installed, ran all of above per instructions & now from Category talk pages list, it displays the Article page & auto-starts Rater! Better than sliced bread!! This is another step forward! On that Tools article list, I do not use because I'm unable to get it to start at a different Alphabet letter, for example, List starting at the Hs. JoeHebda (talk) 13:22, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@JoeHebda: Done I have a treat for you! I may not be a javascript wizard, but I do know some basic Regex. On the article lists page, use settings like mine. This is for a different project but I made sure to use the same letter so you could see. Make sure to click the regex button and fill out the title section like that! The other good news is that this is a static link, so you can do it once and put the link on your userpage. I guess part of me knew you could do this, but I never really needed to until working with the giant UNBIO list. And even then it didn't occur to me until you mentioned the problem. I'll have to mention this in my guide. I hope it helps you! Prometheus720 (talk) 13:52, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Prometheus720: - The code for Title works Ok, but when I change "Quality" to Unassessed-Class the list changes to nothing. For example ^[Ii] brings up all the "I" title articles. Then when I change Quality, results are zero articles. JoeHebda (talk) 15:44, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@JoeHebda:Moving the discussion to a new section because this is sure to interest people in the future. Here is the proper link to the UNBIO H section. I had to use percent encoding on the URL to get it to work properly because the bracket in it breaks the link format. To do that, where it has [Hh] in the actual URL, put "%5bHh%5d." Those are just alternate ways to represent brackets. Unfortunately you will have to do that every time you link one of these on Wikipedia. If you would like, I can change all of the links on that call for help section you made to use article lists. It would be very easy as I'd just have to paste this same link and then change two letters in each of them. Please let me know which you prefer. And while we are at it, let's just get all of our frustrations with Rater and working on big lists out on the table. We might be able to figure out some more cool solutions! Prometheus720 (talk) 16:31, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Prometheus720: - Yes, your link for Article lists using Tools does work. It is the same issue as with AWB, where the list is from Title first character. Rather than "Last name" like in category which is driven by DEFAULTSORT and "Listas" elements. So those Article lists do not match Category lists. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 21:35, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Prometheus720, Now that I think of it, I don't understand what the issue is. Redirects aren't supposed to carry {{WPBIO}}, right? Even if they do, the class can be set to Redirect, so that it no longer appears in the unassessed lists, right?
Regarding Grease/tampermonkey, I've never used them, but it looks like the latter is a marketplace where people distribute scripts and others download them. The one I linked above is a very simple one which only lets you to add your own scripts to specific websites. SD0001 (talk) 14:29, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@SD0001: Sorry, did a bit of reformatting here. I actually only just put UNBIO on my docket. I haven't even started work on it yet. Previously I have done backlogs at WP:BIOL, WP:WOMSCI, WP:ECO, WP:MCB, and a few others. The situation is different depending on a project, but sometimes from article lists I end up hitting redirects on occasion. It actually happens less often with unassessed articles and much more often when I am assessing another quality class. For example, I went through all the stubs in WP:BIOL several weeks ago. That had a number of redirects. So while this would not be directly useful for UNBIO, it would be useful in other contexts.
As for the exact feature, I'd take highlighting OR skipping the redirection so I go straight to the actual redirect page. Both would be wonderful, but either one will certainly get the job done! Prometheus720 (talk) 16:31, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ahh, so the issue is that when you click on redirects listed on wmflabs lists, you desire to reach the actual redirect page rather than the redirect target? The latter feature is far easier to implement. Just replace
For categories, I've fixed the script. I have also updated the script to make it work on any category with name beginning with "Category:Unassessed" or "Category:Unknown-importance". SD0001 (talk) 18:12, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This was brought up before and I think there was some confusion about how this can be implemented. As far as I understand, it's a relatively minor but useful change. API supports a parameter that overrides the watchlist action. It would be really useful to have at least the "don't change watchlist" option, otherwise all pages get watchlisted for those who have auto-watchlist enabled. The old rater used watchlist: 'nochange' for the edit post and so didn't watchlist pages automatically. Many other tools/script do this too. To avoid forking (and maintaining) the whole script just for one change, could this be added as an optional setting? — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK11:41, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Greetings Evad37 - Wondering if add parameter can be pre-filled with "y" or "yes" value? This would be another time-saver. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 10:35, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"y" or "yes" isn't neccesarily a valid value for all additional parameters (e.g. taskforce importances). Howver, you can define autovalues in a banner's TemplateData, which Rater will then use when that parameter is added. - Evad37[talk]04:52, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I did look at TemplateData and maybe it's just me, but it is too complicated for me to understand and to change correctly. So for now I'm manually entering the "Y" for every time to Needs-photo parameter after adding the parameter - a multi-step process. If any expert knows how to do this, your help would be great. All it needs is to have "Needs-photo" auto-fill with a "Y" value when adding for the first time. Cheers! JoeHebda (talk) 18:04, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@JoeHebda: Which WikiProject banner are you needing this done with? I'm comfortable with the whole TemplateData framework and would be happy to drive by that template's page and update it as you're requesting. Or if you wanted to gain some facility with the system yourself, I could talk you through the process via an instant messenger and then you'd be able to make that improvement to any number of banner templates at your leisure. Let me know if I can be of help either way, pal. Regards, —⚞ 🐈ℛogueScholar₨Talk🗩 ⚟My recent mischief06:57, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@RogueScholar: Only needed for WikiProject Biography. There are over 75 thousand articles in backlog and many are missing a photo, so having that box appear pre-filled with "Y" or "Yes" is a time-saver. Thanks for your help! Sorry I don't know about instant messanger, but am a good "cloner" so if I can view the changes I can add to my offline WP-notes file (Notepad++) for future ref. JoeHebda (talk) 13:03, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@RogueScholar: Thanks. I have a whole spreadsheet of all those logs and tools. I'm making sure each of the subprojects has all of them, and then I'm going to add links all at once. If I don't keep getting distracted. --Nessie (talk) 14:42, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@JoeHebda: Done (click for diff) Like I said, happy to help; I'm something of an assessment nerd myself so I have tremendous respect for you jumping into such a deep hole as WP:BIO. It'll take a few hours for the change to become active for the Rater gadget (I'm not sure why, that's just been my experience.) If you have questions about any of the changes or if something still isn't quite as you had hoped, don't hesitate to hit me up on my talk page. Respectfully, Peter
@NessieVL: Done (click for diff) Everything I said above to JoeHebda goes for you as well of course, Nessie. I hope this solves your immediate problem and gives you some insight into what is, admittedly, a fairly opaque system re: TemplateData. Honestly though, if you're a naturally curious person, just knowing that the information all has to conform to the standards of JavaScript Object Notation gets you where you need to go. The web is literally bursting with online tools like validators that allow you to copy/paste your edits into them and tell you if you've done it correctly and where you went astray if you didn't. Don't let that scare you away from reaching out to me again, though, like I said I'm happy to help with this sort of stuff since it's at the intersection of several of my bailiwicks. Warm regards, —⚞ 🐈ℛogueScholar₨Talk🗩 ⚟My recent mischief14:51, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
RogueScholar Done - Just minutes ago, Rater assessment tool began pre-filling "Needs-photo" / "Photo needed?" with the Checkmark indicating a Yes. Thanks for getting this time-saver done. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 23:52, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Greetings, Wondering if Inactive WPs could be displayed from the "Add WikiProject" button? Maybe a different color to indicate not active? Like the gadget does for Article title (Display an assessment of an article's quality in its page header) changes color. Recently I've added inactive WikiProject Invention, Myanmar to article assessments. Ditto for semi-active projects. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 18:16, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Greetings, After clicking on "Save changes" button, Rater stalls out, then error message "Saving...Failed. HTTP error: timeout". Happening several times this morning. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 14:46, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Because it's redundant. When a WikiProject banner is used in any talk namespace, other than Talk: itself, the class is set automatically based upon that namespace. So when banners are used in Template talk: namespace, the banner will set Template-Class automatically. Similarly, when banners are used in Category talk: namespace, the banner will set Category-Class automatically. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:58, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@ToThAc: that's not quite necessary. That parameter isn't necessary in most cases as the banner will look to see if the KML file is in place and fill in the appropriate value. In the few cases where adding the parameter is needed, the script has the ability to add additional parameters. That's the same way we'd add |needs-infobox=, etc. Imzadi 1979→18:10, 28 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Interface-protected edit request on 21 October 2019
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Please change the instances of 'mw.RegExp.escape' found on lines 212 and 1,647 of the script source code to read 'mw.util.escapeRegExp'. The former was deactivated per phab:T218339 and the latter now provides its functionality. With abudant gratitude, — ⚞ ℛogueScholar🐈 ₨🗩 ⚟21:49, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW I'm in full agreement with Xaosflux here — Evad37 was recently active and has returned fairly quickly after the pings. I said this at VPT, but I did XFDcloser because, although a personal script, it is heavily relied upon for XfD closures (and it was a trivial fix I was already aware of). I had to get offline for a bit anyway, but I left rater as something certainly far from critical. ~ Amory(u • t • c)23:41, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed[4]. I don't have any objections to trivial fixes such as [5] if one of my script suddenly stops working due to mediawiki changes. It's happened before (with OOUI in XFDcloser), and it may unfortunately happen again in the future. - Evad37[talk]23:11, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Bug: Removing | from blp used by WikiProjectBannerShell
The following discussion is closed and will soon be archived: Version 2 has now been deployed to the main script. Thank you to all the beta testers who helped test the new version! - Evad37[talk]05:23, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What's new?
Redesigned interface, including adding new banners and template parameters right from the main window
Improved preference handling
No need more editing your common.js, preferences now stored in a json subpage of your userspace. And they can be set from within Rater, just click on the cog wheel in the top-left
New preferences include:
Autostart on redirects
minimum number of banners for WikiProject banner shell
bypass redirects to banners
autofill class (from other banners and/or ORES prediction)
Autofill importance
Better template parsing
Better handling of WikiProject banner shell templates. They are now show in the window, can be edited like other banners, will automatically sync relevant parameters from WikipProject Biography banners, and will automatically be added/show when needed (according to you preferences)
Able to unset all class/importance ratings
Better checkbox handling for parameters with one or two allowed values: y, Y, 1, and several other "yes"-like values will result in a ticked box when the allowed value is also "yes"-like -- and similarly for "no"-like values. Unrecognised values will result in an "indeterminate" state for the checkbox.
ORES prediction now includes probability
Detects the (most common) spacing style of existing templates (around pipes, equal signs, and prior to the end braces), and will use this style when editing them
Better placement of banners when adding to talk pages -- should no longer place after existing comments
Edit summary no longer repeats the class/importance multiple times, when they are all the same
Preview and show changes now also show the generated edit summary
To test out the new beta version, change the importScript('User:Evad37/rater.js'); to importScript('User:Evad37/rater/beta.js');. Keep in mind that you'll have to redo your preferences (unless you want the default ones), and check your edits for problems. - Evad37[talk]20:19, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Getting a visual collision of the robot icon over the field's text
Can't recreate, but had a bug where my (otherwise hidden) scroll bar kept popping in and out repeatedly, which would push everything else on screen back and forth horizontally
After adding a project, the old rater used to re-focus in the main field so I could type another
Did the old version let me click around in the background? Sometimes I ran the DYK script from the sidebar if I wasn't sure the article surpassed the stub character threshold.
As much as I think my new article is FA-worthy, the tool shouldn't auto-ORES assess as GA or FA since those require a review process
First of all, hats off to you for making the OOUI window draggable. That's amazing - I think no one has ever done this before? You should leave a note at phab:T51969 about this possibility. Making the background accessible is very desirable, but the css override seems to be a bit faulty - I tried the same thing yesterday while playing around. The #p-personal toolbar (vector skin, at the top), and the MoreMenu buttons displays upon the rater dialog, when they should have been covered. I tried increasing the z-index of the dialog, but that didn't work. Also, when the dialog covers the "More" menu and the Twinkle menu, the hover menus still show up when the cursor passes over the buttons, even though the buttons are behind the dialog. It would be great if these visual flaws could be fixed (though I don't know if it's possible).
Fixed the overlap issues – needed to increase the z-index to more than 100. - Evad37[talk]
That's great! I myself tried with z-idx of 2000, I must have been putting it on the wrong element. Can the dragging be made smoother? It lags when the dialog is being moved around fast. Also, changing the classes/importance using the do all dropdown isn't removing the robot icons. SD0001 (talk) 17:54, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Done both - set the transition timing to 0s for moving the window frame to get rid of the delay, or at least significantly reduce it. And the autofilled symbols (robot heads) will now disappear when you do a "set all" - Evad37[talk]08:48, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
At least on my end, what now happens is that the dialog doesn't move with the cursor at all. It jumps (to wherever I released the cursor) after about 10-15 seconds. That too some parts of the dialog move first, followed by the rest. SD0001 (talk) 19:16, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I switched over from a drag-and-drop library to using plain events and callbacks, to save loading a heap of mostly unneccesary code. Not exactly sure what the problem would be... the events are obviously firing, otherwise the dialog wouldn't move at all when you dragged it - Evad37[talk]03:12, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm thinking maybe some browsers/platforms don't fully support pointer events, so I've switched it to just use mouse events; maybe that will help? - Evad37[talk]12:20, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply] Actually, I was using an experimental/nonstandard window property visualViewport. I think replacing this with standard properties should have fixed it - Evad37[talk]12:58, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Evaluation reported by JoeHebda
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Following list of suggestions
ORES predicted class, missing, helpful for comparison, assessment
option to change background color would be helpful, so easier to read
option for different font instead of bold-font
prefer horizontal rectangle box instead of vertical box, left column of Wikiproject names often wraps onto another line.
The ORES prediction should still be there, in the bottom-right corner - and now also has the probability percentage. I think style adjustments overrides should be done in your common.css (or skin-specific css), rather than the script's preferences, because the default styles used by OOUI windows/controls vary based on your skin (e.g. with Monobook, the fonts already aren't bold).
@JoeHebda: The remaining items should now be fixed. Though for the up and down arrows to work, the focus needs to be in the main "body" of the window, not the header (including top menu bar) or footer. - Evad37[talk]01:50, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Greetings, For the Rater window, I am able to make it "go horizontal" by switching to accessible font "aphont" and 10pt size. Wondering if a way to make popups for "Add a wikiproject..." and "Set all..." tag to also use a different (smaller) font? JoeHebda (talk) 14:08, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The CSS you want is
htmlbody.rater-mainWindow-open.oo-ui-window-overlay.oo-ui-menuOptionWidget{/* ... styles for dropdown options ... */}htmlbody.rater-mainWindow-open.oo-ui-window-overlay.oo-ui-labelElement-label{/* ... styles for dropdown labels (e.g. "Classes", "Importances") ... */}
For "Preferences" - it would be helpful to add "Warn before exit" option (Y/N). Being a keyboard-person sometimes when canceling pop-up box using "Esc" key, if I accidently hit a second time, it Exits Rater & all changes lost. Thanks. JoeHebda (talk) 14:21, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for continuing feedback. I do intend to do more on Rater this week (the past several days I've been more focused on the new XFDcloser gadget) - Evad37[talk]14:33, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Done. I've implemented a close confirmation box, whenever there have been changes made (and regardless of closing by pushing the escape key or clicking the close button). I don't think this needs a preference as its just generally a good idea, and common in lots of software. - Evad37[talk]10:47, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Feedback, status for Nov. 19
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Thanks Evad37 for above improvements. Firstly, I let those Button widgets & labels default back to bold. Then I changed line-height. Next, I adjusted rater window vheight. Lastly, I changed background-color on those popups - contrast makes it easier to read.
When I first time click on "+ Add parameter" it correctly opens up a new line, however I have to then click on "parameter name" box to open it up. It would be helpful if Rater can automaticly add that line And open with cursor parked inside that location (parm.name).
Maybe it's just me getting used to "the new look & feel" but Rater seems to be faster than before. When this new verion "goes live" these changes for my common.css should still be effective. Thanks again. JoeHebda (talk) 15:47, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed the focusing: after clicking "+ Add parameter", the parameter name input will be focused (and the list of suggestions will be shown, if there are any) - Evad37[talk]06:00, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Feedback, WPMILHIST - Nov. 20
Check example at Talk:Owen Magee. The class-b checklist displays as "b1=y" for 1 thru 5, yet rater displays those plus new buttons for "B-Class-1" thru "B-Class-5", all set to No. These additional buttons are not needed as the plain "b1=" are sufficient. JoeHebda (talk) 15:59, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In preferences, needs a spell check: "Minimun number of banners for WikiProject banner shell" should be "Minimum number of banners for WikiProject banner shell".
I'm encountering an issue (Example here) using Rater to add project banners to redirects when their Talk pages are themselves redirects. I believe the template calls need to be placed below the magic word, but currently they're placed above it which then breaks the redirect. I can't recall encountering this issue in the mainline version of the gadget, but that may be the result of the infrequency of this edge case.
The new version is coming along nicely; I'm quite enjoying the more polished interface and much improved UI text readability. I'm not sure if it's been brought up already, but am I mistaken in thinking that the old version would remove parameter names from the list once they had been applied to a particular template? I don't know that I can precisely articulate why I preferred that behavior, but I do. That's the only quibble I have with it currently. Thanks again for all your work on this, it really is a fantastic tool. — ⚞ ℛogueScholar🐈 ₨🗩 ⚟01:13, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@RogueScholar: Fixed. On redirected talkpages, the banners will now be placed at the end, preserving the redirect; and I've implemented the filtering out of used parameters from the suggestions - Evad37[talk]06:05, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Evad37: I know there aren't too many things considered more gauche in the Wikipediaverse than expressing oneself via GIF, but in this instance I feel nothing else adequately captures my current state of mind. Thank you as well for applying the correct edit to my example diff, though I fear that when I went to do likewise upon reading your reply I may have stumbled onto a related glitch.
Just now on the redirect in question, Rater v2.0.7 failed to manipulate the WP:SCH banner that's already on the talk page, though it did report its presence and existing parameters correctly. When I attempted to change the banner's importance parameter to 'NA' to test the new functionality, it added a second instance of the template with the new parameter rather than modifying the existing one, but (satisfyingly) it did place the duplicate at the bottom of the page correctly. Do you see the same behavior in such a situation too? — ⚞ ℛogueScholar🐈 ₨🗩 ⚟06:52, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved
Done – there is now a progress bar shown while loading. - Evad37 [talk] 14:34, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Fixed - Evad37 [talk] 07:42, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Already done
Fixed [4]. I don't have any objections to trivial fixes such as [5] if one of my script suddenly stops working due to mediawiki changes. It's happened before (with OOUI in XFDcloser), and it may unfortunately happen again in the future. - Evad37 [talk] 23:11, 21 October 2019 (UTC)