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Nomination for deletion of multiple Athens Mass Transit System related templates

The templates listed above have been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. REEDriler (talk) 20:50, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination for deletion of Template:OASA color

Template:OASA color has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Frietjes (talk) 00:26, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Zappio tram stop for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Zappio tram stop is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zappio tram stop until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

Trainsandotherthings (talk) 16:10, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Pikrodafni tram stop

The article Pikrodafni tram stop has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

There appear to be no independent secondary sources with in depth coverage of this transport infrastructure.

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Proposed deletion of Agia Triada tram stop

The article Agia Triada tram stop has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Not enough in-depth coverage to show that it passes WP:GNG.

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Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:10, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Agia Triada tram stop for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Agia Triada tram stop is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Agia Triada tram stop until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

Onel5969 ^{TT me} 18:01, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Trolleybuses in Athens moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Trolleybuses in Athens, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). Right now the only thing which is sourced is the preserved vehicle. The link for the source used for routes, does not give a list a of routes. I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:50, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		Thank you for your hard work in making the Greek railway articles living, breathing pieces of work! You deserve recognition for this!

✠ Emperor of Byzantium ✠ (talk) 14:48, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Module speedy deletion

Hello, Minoa,

I wanted to alert you that an editor tagged Module:Adjacent stations/Proastiakos Athens for speedy deletion. I can see that you weren't notified of this. I've untagged the page but could you check out there deletion rationale and see if it has any merit? Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:16, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello: the transition to Module:Adjacent stations/Athens Suburban Railway started on 10 November 2022, when Proastiakos Athens moved to Athens Suburban Railway, because the latter is the name that Hellenic Train uses. However, I moved the module without realising that the module system did not support leaving redirects behind. I temporarily recreated the Proastiakos Athens module as an emergency fix, while the transition was taking place.

REEDriler and I were the only contributors to the module, and since all articles now use the Athens Suburban Railway module, there is now a case for deleting the module, albeit as an incorrect name: the main reason for this is that I have recently looked up the term "Proastiakos Athens" on Google, and it returned only content directly or indirectly sourced from Wikipedia. Therefore, I have reason to believe that "Proastiakos Athens" was a spillover from the transliterated name.

The main reason that I forgot to correct the error was simply that I was busy in real life. I will correct the error in Athens Suburban Railway, and ask you and REEDriler about how we should deal with the Proastiakos Athens and Proastiakos athens redirects (delete or recategorise as "R from incorrect name"). I apologise for any confusion that the situation may have caused. --Minoa (talk) 02:48, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A Barn star for you

Please keep up the hard and useful work! Thank you

		The Rail Transport Barnstar
		Awarded to this editor for outstanding and sustained contributions to both individual pages of Athens railway infrastructure and the List of Athens Metro stations page by ✠ Emperor of Byzantium ✠ (talk) 19:19, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@The Emperor of Byzantium: I think that with a few more edits, List of Athens Metro stations could become a Good Article … but we are going to need to fill in the missing photos. --Minoa (talk) 23:23, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Minoa I agree, a few more references and photos as you say and then "jobs a goodin" ✠ Emperor of Byzantium ✠ (talk) 22:52, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Russian propaganda lessons help

Dear @Daniel Case: and @AlexEng: via WP:TRLA, I am posting a request for translation assistance in my user talk page because I am currently working on the following project in my user space. Your understanding is appreciated.

I am making a list of Russian propaganda lessons (currently at User:Minoa/Propaganda) and I want to make sure the translations do not drift too far from the original Russian text. I wonder if you can please help me on this. Afterwards, I think I could consider opening up the draft to further development by editors familiar with Russian propaganda stuff. This is mainly because I have been reducing my exposure to the news because of how depressing it is.

Best, --Minoa (talk) 23:32, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

AFAICT, Minoa, they look good and accurate to me. They're not very complicated Russian phrases, thankfully. Daniel Case (talk) 18:36, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I now wish to ask what name should we use for the proposed article: "Conversations about the important" appears to be a literal name. Quite a few sources refer to them along the lines of "Russian patriotic classes", but there are a lot of variants. --Minoa (talk) 01:12, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, funny you should have said that because I just looked at the page again and that struck me, so I was coming over to bring it up.

That English title is literal, alright ... literal to the point of sounding awkward in English, as I think you have recognized. My take would "Conversations about what is important", adding a word in English not present in Russian, but making it sound much more natural in English. (And Google renders it into Russian exactly as it was originally! Great!) Daniel Case (talk) 20:12, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would actually render this as "Conversations about that which is important". In Russian, the adjective важном implies an object which is not there; this is correct in Russian grammar, but not in English. Using "things" seems okay at first blush, but it's more narrow than the Russian version suggests. When you use "that which is important", you most closely mimic the Russian version in English. Hope that helps! AlexEng^(TALK) 23:22, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looking over the topics you've translated:

- День учителя is more closely translated as "Teacher's Day" (or, less likely, "Day of the Teacher", since Russian doesn't have articles). If it were Teachers' Day, it would be День учителей. I know the English article title is Teachers' Day, but I noticed that you directly transcribed "Day of the Elderly" rather than "International Day of Older Persons", so I thought you might want to keep it consistent.
- Similarly, you can choose whether to call День музыки "Music Day" or "Day of Music".
- День народного единства directly translates to "Day of the People's Unity"
- Волонтеры России – while this is technically correctly translated to "Volunteers of Russia", it's possible that the meaning was lost. Волонтеры in Russian can mean either "volunteers" or "people who voluntarily enlisted in the armed forces". Can you confirm that this is referring to civil volunteer activities and not patriotic military enlistment?
- Новый год. Семейные праздники и мечты – "праздники" are "holidays". They can entail celebrations, but I think you meant to say New Year's Day: family holidays and dreams.
- Светлый праздник Рождества – Again technically correct, but Светлый is also used to mean "happy" or "jolly", see Wiktionary.
- Год педагога и наставника – Direct translation would be "Year of the pedagogue and mentor". "Pedagogue" seems pretty archaic, but they did specifically use that word rather than учитель, which means "teacher". Up to you how you want to do it.

AlexEng^(TALK) 23:53, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@AlexEng: I have done my best to accommodate your advice. I am able to trace the official references for Senior Citizens' Day, National Unity Day, and Year of Teachers and Mentors, which permits me to use Teacher's Day and Music Day. In respect of Volunteers of Russia, I refer to civilian volunteer activities. Feel free to comment on my changes, although I am still thinking about the Article title because quite a few reliable sources call them "Patriotic lessons" or similar, e.g. by Washington Post and The Moscow Times. --Minoa (talk) 08:46, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Transport for Athens

Καλησπέρα, προτείνω να αναμορφωθεί αυτό το άρθρο και να αφορά τον ΟΑΣΑ ΑΕ. Οι συνεισφορές σας στο αρθρο νομιζω είναι προς αυτην την κατεύθυνση παρολα αυτα το άρθρο σήμερα ουσιαστικά λέει περίπου τα ίδια με το public transport in Athens. Ποια είναι η άποψη σας; Red Arrow27 (talk) 22:44, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that article should be covering Transport for Athens (OASA) and their services. --Minoa (talk) 01:19, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Suburban Railway

Hello, about the de numbering you made on the suburban railway articles, I inform you that according to the new map of the suburban and regional lines, they do have colours (yellow, purple, green, blue) and numbers (A1,A2,A3,A4) and they are official, and the maps using this scheme are present in the Hellenic Train's website as well as some of the network's stations. So you can just take the old pages, and switch Π1 for A1, П2 for A4, П3 for A3 and Π4 for A2, and the grey of Π4 (its new name is A2) for the purple colour it has on the maps. GoatGamer1 (talk) 18:55, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

~~Where can I find the map on the internet? I wish to review it first. --Minoa (talk) 18:57, 1 October 2023 (UTC)~~[reply]

@GoatGamer1: I don't think you can just upload files you found on the internet: they have to be licensed under a free Creative Commons licence. They may make a good reference, but as a file on the Commons? Not so much. --Minoa (talk) 19:49, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

the file is not any random file on the internet, it's from the Hellenic Train website. I get what you mean GoatGamer1 (talk) 20:15, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

and this map/variants can be found in some actual stations, like Rouf. GoatGamer1 (talk) 20:16, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Suburban railway line logos

In the logos, you got the colours right, but you should switch A2 with A4, as A2 goes to Ano Liosia and the Airport, and A4 goes to Piraeus and Kiato. But otherwise good job! GoatGamer1 (talk) 12:49, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@GoatGamer1: This is because I am considering a new station list format similar to the ones that I did for the Athens Metro (see User:Minoa/Stations). I apologise for the slow pace, but not only I have to verify them with the network statement annexes, some of the stops from the Hellenic Train ticketing database are for bus replacement service use only. --Minoa (talk) 22:23, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, however the stations west of Kiato it isn't clear if they are an Athens regional line or just a regional line , and is not numbered and not in the map of the suburban - regional railway. GoatGamer1 (talk) 07:08, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Independent Peloponnese regional line: uses "Proastiakos" train numbers but they are not in the Athenian regional network. --Minoa (talk) 07:38, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please fix Kiato railway station

Something you changed at Module:Adjacent stations/Athens Suburban Railway seems to have broken Kiato railway station. I reverted your changes, which had no edit summaries, on the assumption that they were disruptive, but that broke many other articles, so I reverted my change. Please fix Kiato railway station. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:41, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed - @Jonesey95: the line numbers recently changed to A1 to A4. I thought I got all the stations updated. --Minoa (talk) 05:30, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I figured you would know how to fix that one. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:02, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hello, Minoa. Thank you for your work on Conversations about Important Things. User:North8000, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

Nice work

To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|North8000}}. Please remember to sign your reply with ~~~~. (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

North8000 (talk) 17:48, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@North8000: it's great to hear from you: I wonder what you think the article's importance scale should be in the three WikiProjects I have chosen? General assurance that the importance level does not have to be the same for all three. --Minoa (talk) 16:54, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the post. Sorry that I'm not in a good position in answering that one. I've not worked in that area and each project has different criteria. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 19:11, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Season's greetings

	Felices fiestas
	I hope you can enjoy these days with your loved ones and that they are full of joy and happiness. Best wishes and happy holidays :) NoonIcarus (talk) 19:55, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of secret police organizations

Hello. I have read the message you placed on my talk page. If the list is being subjected to a level FRINGE pushing that satisfies the relevant criteria in WP:PROTECT, then the page protection should be increased, per WP:EASYTARGET and WP:ATD, and any obviously erroneous entries should simply be ripped out (which seems to be happening). James500 (talk) 07:37, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Thessaloniki Metro

Part of this section was repositioned to clarify which sentence was written by who, according to this comparison.

Hi, they said that in Dimokratias just like in New Railway Station there will be an adjacent station. I have a video with the evidence. It was me that I was trying to fix it but I can't. So, fix it if you can because I don't know it. Also, delete Pylaia depot since the other depots are not on the template. 2A02:586:7931:FAC4:19E5:92B8:1586:D442 (talk) 06:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think I got it now. And please do create an account so you can hide your IP address. --Minoa (talk) 07:09, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Railway stations in Greece opened in 2003

A tag has been placed on Category:Railway stations in Greece opened in 2003 indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:05, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the deletion should be an issue, because the category originally held Monastiraki, but then it became clear that new platform levels do not count as a new station (e.g. Bond Street). --Minoa (talk) 06:17, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Protection request of Vyond

Hello @Minoa:, note that I requested a protection for Vyond due to war editing, IMO and IYO (in your opinion), the two sources that you removed are not reliable. Another question, do Facebook, Twitter, Instagram or ACBB Foot (see here, if only I show my Vyond series at Le Gallo and they ad an episode of my series in their last news section) are reliable? You can find my request here. Manchesterunited1234 (talk) 14:07, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the minor delay, @Manchesterunited1234: Facebook, Twitter, Instagram are not reliable because they are user-generated content with little to no editorial oversight (see WP:RSP). As the outcome of the request indicates, you should raise the matter at the article's talk page or Wikipedia:Dispute resolution, as we probably need more uninvolved editors to de-escalate the situation before it spirals out of control, and I am actually not in good health to handle complex disputes. --Minoa (talk) 19:34, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, Thanks. Manchesterunited1234 (talk) 20:07, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Athens Metro stations

Can you clarify when a station is considered interchange and when not? You prompted me to List of London Underground stations, but there Hammersmith station is listed twice for example and that is blatantly, not even with merged cells. I assume that is because that station has two different buildings, right, despite being shown as an interchange station in the tube map? However this is the case with two Athens Metro stations as well (namely Piraeus and Attiki, in which you need to tap out from one station and tap in again with your tickets. In Piraeus you also completely exit the line 1 building to go to the stairs that go to the underground line 3 station). So what is the correct way? —Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 17:32, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dimsar01: You could use the "Interchanges and notes" columns to explain the Out-of-Station Interchange (OSI). I also think we need a source to show that the connections are being separated by ticket barriers. --Minoa (talk) 19:43, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thessaloniki Metro BSicon set

Thanks for uploading the mHST u~red set, but can you do them as BHF instad of HST? It's pretty standard practice to use the bigger station markers on these diagrams (see Template:Copenhagen Metro route diagram and Template:Athens Metro route diagram), and the fact that on this they are split between red and blue makes it much less legible when the small markers are used. Thanks! Michail (blah) 11:53, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sarah fides: Fixed. I kind of interpreted intermediate stops differently from the terminus stops. Minoa (talk) 13:41, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sarah fides: it is worth noting that according to Template:Railway line legend, File:BSicon BHF.svg is intended for large (major) stations, while File:BSicon HST.svg is suited for intermediate stations with no interchanges. This is what led me to use HST over BHF for intermediate stops with no interchanges. --Minoa (talk) 11:07, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Minoa Thanks, yes I am aware. I think the general convention (based on typical use of of BSicon sets for route diagrams) differs from the more technical diagrams of railway lines that the set was originally intended for. Off the top of my head I can't name any metro template in Category:System rail transport templates that make a distinction between major/minor stations (not including interchanges; note that templates that describe commuter systems as opposed to rapid transit do use the major/minor distinction sometimes, for example Jura). -- Michail (blah) 11:26, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]