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January 5
January 5, 2021
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Russia responsible for Solar Winds hack
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): The Hill ,
Credits:
- Nominated by Goldberg (me) (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Notability should be self-evident. The Russians are at it again. --CoronaOneLove (talk) 23:07, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
RD: Colin Bell
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Colin Bell: Manchester City great dies aged 74
Credits:
- Nominated by Melly42 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: English football player who made 492 394 appearances for Manchester City. — Melly42 (talk) 20:13, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment where are the statistics and some of the honours referenced? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:22, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- It is state in the BBC article. According to the WP article he had 394 appearances. --Melly42 (talk) 20:24, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- The infobox always refers to League appearances only. 492 will be his appearances in all competitions. P-K3 (talk) 22:52, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- It is state in the BBC article. According to the WP article he had 394 appearances. --Melly42 (talk) 20:24, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Tanya Roberts
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox News
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by 7&6=thirteen (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Kingsif (talk · give credit) and C.Fred (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Nomination closed yesterday. Should be reopened again. Article has been updated. No templates any longer. Regards, 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:44, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Given the circumstances, the paragraph about how her death was reported prematurely could be substantially shortened. --Tone 15:53, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
OpposeThere is one source reporting anew, and it's TMZ. Roberts is not confirmed dead, this seems almost like death-wishing. Maybe she is, but it would be respectful to wait for it to actually be announced. Kingsif (talk) 16:07, 5 January 2021 (UTC)- We should wait until more reliable sources are reporting her death. There is no rush.-- P-K3 (talk) 16:31, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Fox News now independently reporting death on evening of Jan 4th. Kingsif (talk) 16:46, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Waituntil more reliable sources confirm. I also agree with Tone that there's no need to make a big deal of the mix-up over her earlier death announcement. — Amakuru (talk) 17:00, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Reliable sources like The New York Times are now covering and confirming her death. Aoba47 (talk) 17:11, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support death confirmed by some decent sources now (NYT), and article is in good shape, and clarifies the false news succinctly as well. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:22, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Almost ready Still lacks cites in Television section of the Filmography.Support Ready for the main page. Yoninah (talk) 17:30, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: Should be done now. Kingsif (talk) 17:53, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Wait at least for AP, which had to retract their erroneous Mon report.—Bagumba (talk) 18:14, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support as her death is now reported in the New York Times and the article is sourced. TJMSmith (talk) 18:19, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support NYT confirms. Article looks ready. P-K3 (talk) 18:36, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted. It seems to have enough legs in reliable sources now, and support here. If it later turns out that she's still alive (again), then that's on the reliable sources, not on us. — Amakuru (talk) 19:25, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
RD: Pungky Purnomo Wibowo
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 13:45, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Rather stubby. – Sca (talk) 14:14, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Sca: Created five hours after his death. The longer the time between his death and current time, the more source would pour in. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 14:29, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
RD: Bob Brett
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ATPTour.com
Credits:
- Nominated by Amakuru (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Australian tennis coach, whose clients included Becker, Ivanisevic & Cilic. The article currently has precisely zero references, but I will endeavour to whip it into shape. — Amakuru (talk) 13:06, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
January 4
January 4, 2021
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(Posted) RD: M. R. Schunker
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Indian admiral. I've not done much to it apart from a bit of a tidy on the sources but looks OK - Dumelow (talk) 10:03, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:49, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted — Amakuru (talk) 17:12, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Gordon "Butch" Stewart
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Jamaica Gleaner
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Joofjoof (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Tomacsh (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Jamaican businessman who founded Sandals Resorts and the Jamaica Observer. Joofjoof (talk) 09:09, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:50, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support Well sourced and well written. Gex4pls (talk) 14:27, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted — Amakuru (talk) 17:12, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
RD: Kay Ullrich
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-55531072
Credits:
- Nominated by MurielMary (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Drchriswilliams (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Scottish MP; article well sourced and updated with details of death MurielMary (talk) 09:06, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. Couple of sources for minor things needed, or details could just be removed. Otherwise looking decent. There might be more-detailed obituaries in other Scottish newspapers in a wee while, as they say up here. Espresso Addict (talk) 10:07, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Weak support with the caution along the lines of Espresso Addict's concerns. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:52, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Weak Support I cannot find a source for the one unsourced statement, but otherwise the article looks good. Gex4pls (talk) 14:49, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Weakish Oppose - that unsourced statement covers quite a long period of her life, and more detail would be advisable there. — Amakuru (talk) 17:03, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - uncited statement tidied up and referenced, some more details added. Looks ready for final review and posting? BTW, there's no confirmed death date in any of the obits - does this prevent the article from being posted? Date of death is in the article as "January 2021". MurielMary (talk) 22:20, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
(Ready to post) RD: Barbara Shelley
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/barbara-shelley-dead-british-horror-film-icon-and-queen-of-hammer-was-88
Credits:
- Nominated by MurielMary (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Horror film actress; article updated and all films sourced MurielMary (talk) 07:51, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support Story checks out, just missing a hyphen, but not for long. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:26, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. Not checked thoroughly
but I did a spot check on the sources, and didn't find they supported all the material in the paragraph where they were cited (noted in article). Also, and not restricted to this one, I don't think we should be giving all this information on cause of death. If it is later widely attributed to coronavirus in reliable sources, we can say the subject died of coronavirus on [date] at [place], but the blow-by-blow accounts are not encyclopedic, imo, except for the very well known or perhaps the much younger than average.Espresso Addict (talk) 08:30, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Still not checked thoroughly but another problem I noticed was the birth date; it's uncited and the BFI gives a completely different date. Espresso Addict (talk) 13:42, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Which parts are "blow-by-blow accounts"? InedibleHulk (talk) 08:39, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the check Espresso Addict; a couple of claims have now been removed as they weren't supported in the sources. InedibleHulk, I also just edited the paragraph on her death as there was quite a bit of detail in there that I agree was unnecessary. MurielMary (talk) 08:41, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- I think it heavily implies COVID killed her by burying what her agent, who presumably knew her well, publicized to the contrary. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:45, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- OK, I'm happy to go with the version of the paragraph on her death that's there now (edits by InedibleHulk and The Rambling Man). MurielMary (talk) 08:53, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Cool, me too. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:54, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- I have shortened the material further, though I do think it could go down much more. The detail I particularly lacked was her appearance in Blake's 7 "Stardrive", which is what I personally recognise her from, but didn't look to be in the three given sources. I'll take another look. Espresso Addict (talk) 09:04, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- My vote is only conditional on both infections being acknowledged as sickening, in any words.InedibleHulk (talk) 09:12, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- I have shortened the material further, though I do think it could go down much more. The detail I particularly lacked was her appearance in Blake's 7 "Stardrive", which is what I personally recognise her from, but didn't look to be in the three given sources. I'll take another look. Espresso Addict (talk) 09:04, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Cool, me too. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:54, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- OK, I'm happy to go with the version of the paragraph on her death that's there now (edits by InedibleHulk and The Rambling Man). MurielMary (talk) 08:53, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- I think it heavily implies COVID killed her by burying what her agent, who presumably knew her well, publicized to the contrary. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:45, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the check Espresso Addict; a couple of claims have now been removed as they weren't supported in the sources. InedibleHulk, I also just edited the paragraph on her death as there was quite a bit of detail in there that I agree was unnecessary. MurielMary (talk) 08:41, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:55, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - the question mark over her deate of birth should be ironed out — Amakuru (talk) 17:07, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- The BFI lists it as 15 August 1933 and all other sources list it as 13 February 1932. I've edited the lead to "1932 or 1933" however the obits state she was 88 when she died so I've left that in the article. Any other thoughts on how to handle this? MurielMary (talk) 22:47, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- MurielMary, The way you've done it seems quite all right to me. Maybe cite the relevant sources in the lede or in the first graf of the biography section? AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 23:01, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support- the article is well sourced. Only one citation tag needed, but the bulk of the info is cited. TJMSmith (talk) 18:27, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
RD: Sandra Hutchens
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:
- Nominated by DannyS712 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: former Sheriff-Coroner of Orange County, California DannyS712 (talk) 07:22, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Weak support one citation (at least) required. The rest is satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:25, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- @The Rambling Man: Filling in the ref for the CN tag you added DannyS712 (talk) 12:53, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Where are the years of her ranks (infobox) sourced? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:56, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- @The Rambling Man: Filling in the ref for the CN tag you added DannyS712 (talk) 12:53, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
2020–21 Central African general election
Blurb: Faustin-Archange Touadéra (pictured) is elected for a second term as President of the Central African Republic. (Post)
News source(s): AP, AfricaNews
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Joofjoof (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Number 57 (talk · give credit) and Calmecac5 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Provisional results of the presidential election released. Joofjoof (talk) 05:15, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. Generally we wait for finalised results, or nearly so, and require at least a few paragraphs of reactions/comments on integrity of the election &c. Espresso Addict (talk) 06:00, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - this article is titled confusingly... Central Africa refers to a region, and it is quite confusing to title it thus. Would prefer "Central African Republic general election" to be clear. This matches reliable sources such as [2]. — Amakuru (talk) 18:32, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Amakuru: that does sound better, but the naming comes from Template:Central African elections. Is there a way to rename the group? Joofjoof (talk) 22:11, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Joofjoof: Hmm, well that depends whether it would be seen as a controversial change or not. If it isn't controversial or likely to be challenged, then we can just go through and rename them one by one. If not, then it would be a case of starting a formal WP:RM discussion to run for seven days. I guess this isn't really an issue for the ITN entry anyway, but would be good to get it changed if possible. If nothing else, it would make it match the usage in other articles such as Central African Republic Civil War (2012–present) (not "Central African Civil War (2012–present)"). I'll put a note on the talk page and see if anyone thinks it's a problem. Cheers. — Amakuru (talk) 22:50, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Amakuru: that does sound better, but the naming comes from Template:Central African elections. Is there a way to rename the group? Joofjoof (talk) 22:11, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Saudi Arabia–Qatar relations
Blurb: Saudi Arabia and Qatar agree a deal that resolves the diplomatic crisis between them. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Saudi Arabia reopens its land border with Qatar, ending the diplomatic crisis.
News source(s): Guardian, etc
Credits:
- Nominated by Brandmeister (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Article is detailed, but possibly more update is needed. Brandmeistertalk 20:51, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Below the radar, as far as current crises are concerned. – Sca (talk) 22:31, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - This is huge. Unironically bigger than any of the Israeli-Muslim deals of the past 2 years, at least in the short and medium terms. CoronaOneLove (talk) 03:39, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Looks good. Sherenk1 (talk) 03:42, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Two cn tags, as well as multiple untagged missing citations. Ill try my best. Gex4pls (talk) 03:59, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support in principle, though it might be worth waiting a day for them to sign the promised agreement at the GCC summit. Significant development in a major dispute, the article looks good and there's a decent update. I've slightly simplified the wording of the blurb above. Modest Genius talk 14:07, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Extradition of Julian Assange to the USA Denied
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Blurb: A UK Judge has prevented the extradition of Julian Assange to the USA due to his mental health (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Guardian,
Credits:
- Nominated by EcheveriaJ (talk · give credit)
- Created by 2601:14B:200:1E9C:F9FC:9CFF:4456:53E (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose just another tiny step in the saga. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 19:09, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support Although I do question why this is ITN, CNN, BBC, CBC all seem to think it should be. Albertaont (talk) 19:40, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Not newsworthy enough for the main page. ~ Destroyer🌀🌀 20:25, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Nothing changes but we should keep an eye on the story. I'll support if he gets extradited or is allowed to be granted political asylum in Mexico.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:26, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Mexico granted asylum. (Bloomberg) Albertaont (talk) 02:22, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Good. Now let's wait for the UK to let him go.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:13, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Mexico granted asylum. (Bloomberg) Albertaont (talk) 02:22, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose – That which does not happen is generally not big news. – Sca (talk) 22:33, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Good news (though what would be better news is if Trump pardoned him, Snowden, and Ulbricht), but seems inconsequential since it's only due to his mental state and I'm not sure whether he's free. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 23:21, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Just another step in a developing story. Gex4pls (talk) 03:53, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Wait - this is a developing story, let's see if there's a big spike in reader interest, and if so, help them find what they're looking for by posting this at ITN. For 1/3/21, there's a modest (relatively, +5k) bump, but it's too soon to tell if that's a passing blip or if there will be 100k views today. Also, with Mexico granting asylum, that may keep this story in the cycle, and reader interest may grow. Or it may all be a blip by tomorrow. We'll see. Levivich harass/hound 04:15, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose. Yet another step in a long-running legal process. Even if he was extradited, I don't think ITN should post developments in this story unless/until Assange is convicted of a major crime. Continued arguing about if/where/when he should stand trial isn't significant enough for me. Modest Genius talk 14:10, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Per TRM and others.-- P-K3 (talk) 14:19, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
RD:Alexi Laiho
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3] [4]
Credits:
- Nominated by GhostOfDanGurney (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Various IPs and users (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Death announced on this date. GhostOfDanGurney (talk) 12:13, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support. [5]. Count Iblis (talk) 12:14, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose obviously on quality, tagged etc. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:19, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- And how does one make it not so obvious? Constructive criticism, please. GhostOfDanGurney (talk) 12:40, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Pardon? It's got a maintenance tag right at the top of the page which immediately disqualifies it and renders any support a waste of time. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:44, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- And how does one make it not so obvious? Constructive criticism, please. GhostOfDanGurney (talk) 12:40, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose As the tag suggests, this needs a major re-write to be suitable for the Main Page. All the tedious OR stuff about guitar endorsements and equipment needs to go.-- P-K3 (talk) 18:02, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose lots of problems. The guitar endorsements, the unsourced (well, implicitly sourced) quotes from their Facebook page, etc. power~enwiki (π, ν) 19:30, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Children of Bodom's ungodly suffering isn't supposed to be acknowledged by mainstream media, buddy's sister asked for "privacy and understanding", not a pitiful (and pathetically brief) carousel ride. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:22, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Trump-Raffensperger Scandal
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Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, NBC, ABC
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by marcosoldfox (talk · give credit)
- Support An immense amount of news organizations have reported on the ongoing issue of a scandalous taped call by the US president to Georgia Secretary of state involving questionable acts. The report has become news internationally and among varying news sources from all specters and has become a piece of important conversation in international politics. Carl Bernstein has referred to it as "worse than Watergate" and many are talking about it. It made various headlines in The Washington Post and political commentators and even various senators are on the story. In the leaked call-tape Trump has said that he just needed "11,780" votes, and it has been widely reported on every news channel today and has been an ongoing issue. The evidence of the importance of this event is overwhelming. So for that I support nominating that article to the "ongoing list". — Preceding unsigned comment added by marcosoldfox (talk • contribs)
- Oppose: I mean, Carl Bernstein thinks a clogged toilet is "worse than Watergate." UncomfortablySmug (talk) 17:19, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Unless actual charges are identified and placed on the President (it would have to be by GA), this would be more antics in his post-election loss, which we have avoided covering at this point. The significance of this is not lost, but it far too premature form an ITN to be posting anything. --Masem (t) 05:51, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Trump does Trump things, film at 11. power~enwiki (π, ν) 05:57, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Just another example of why Trump lost the election. There have been dozens of these throughout his time as President. All appalling, but this one is no worse than many others. Let's just hope that in three weeks time all this nonsense will be fading away never to be seen again. HiLo48 (talk) 06:01, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - echoing Masem's comment above. No official charges (as of yet). TJMSmith (talk) 06:10, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
January 3
January 3, 2021
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(Closed) RD: Tanya Roberts
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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
- Updated by various users and IPs (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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- Oppose tagged. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:20, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose not dead. GreatCaesarsGhost 22:17, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose contested status. -- a lad insane (channel two) 22:29, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose: Something strange going on here: https://abc7.com/entertainment/tanya-roberts-still-alive-after-mistaken-belief-she-had-died-rep-says/9354423/ KConWiki (talk) 22:39, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- WTH? I improved this article and satisfied the tags. And now you've closed it? It just got posted in the morning. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 23:45, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]], take a look at the link KConWiki posted above. She's not dead. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:56, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Good for her. But I feel like I got all dressed up and have no place to go. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 23:57, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- This is why we wait for the article to be updated and, in particular, well-sourced before posting.--WaltCip-(talk) 02:55, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- To be fair, many mainstream sources were corroborating it for many hours e.g. BBC. Probably unavoidable here unless we apply WP:RSBREAKING for all RDs and say wait a day. —Bagumba (talk) 09:37, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- This is why we wait for the article to be updated and, in particular, well-sourced before posting.--WaltCip-(talk) 02:55, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Good for her. But I feel like I got all dressed up and have no place to go. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 23:57, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]], take a look at the link KConWiki posted above. She's not dead. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:56, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
RD: Rosa Giannetta
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.ilgiornale.it/news/cronache/morta-75-anni-rosa-giannetta-alberoni-moglie-francesco-1914125.html
Credits:
- Nominated by MurielMary (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Italian novelist and sociologist; article updated and sourced. MurielMary (talk) 10:27, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. Thanks for nominating, think it could benefit from some more fleshing out. As she worked as an academic, it needs a list of positions held, preferably with dates. Presumably also she got a PhD? For the newspapers and magazines I assume she was freelance, but if she worked at one/more, that would also need including. The historical fiction writing could also do with a touch more detail; which books won the awards, and what year? The bibliography probably needs them splitting somehow by series.
Paragraph 2 of the Biography section needs wikilinks. Going offline now, will try to help out with this later.Espresso Addict (talk) 10:53, 4 January 2021 (UTC) - Weak support lead too short and article about her life is brief but satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:22, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support As long as it's well referenced it should be good. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 15:40, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
RD: Elena Santiago
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): We Publish News
Credits:
- Nominated by Hanif Al Husaini (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Spanish writer. The main text is largely fine but the works and awards sections need referencing. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 09:06, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose much more worried about the awards than the works, but both need work. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:24, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I have just referenced all works and awards sections. Alexcalamaro (talk) 16:19, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I have added two citation needed tags but otherwise the article looks good. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 17:01, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support all statements and awards now referenced, looks ready to post. MurielMary (talk) 03:16, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. Lead is very short. Does anyone have any idea how notable some of these awards are? Only one has a blue link, and that is regional, though many may have articles on the Spanish wiki. Espresso Addict (talk) 05:41, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Ali Taher
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 08:50, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment The Indonesian Wikipedia provides additional info about his career that can be used to expand this article. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 09:13, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Hanif Al Husaini: Done. Some of the materials in WBI would be inappropriate to be entered in here per our Manual of Style and guidelines (e.g. the irrelevant net worth in his political career). Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 12:04, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:26, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 20:51, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Brian Urquhart
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; The Washington Post
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Bloom6132 (talk) 00:37, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support Well referenced and no yellow tags. A neat article for a centenarian. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 04:26, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
WeakSupport I see the article links to Sir Brian Urquhart Award but no mention of this is made in the prose. That would be nice. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:27, 4 January 2021 (UTC)- I have added a mention in the article body. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 09:46, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Cool, good to go. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:47, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- I have added a mention in the article body. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 09:46, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comments: his position as "Under-Secretary-General of the United Nations for Special Political Affairs" is mentioned in the lead, the infobox and a succession box but not in the main text (apart from one sentence which mentions some things he achieved in the role without specifying its title or start/end dates). His KCMG and MBE are not mentioned in the main text or cited - Dumelow (talk) 13:17, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Dumelow: done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 16:09, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted, I've left Subiakto Tjakrawerdaya as it has only had 17 hours on the main page. I am happy if another admin disagrees with this and wants to remove it - Dumelow (talk) 16:15, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Dumelow: Just remove it. This is coming from the nominator and creator. BTW does RD has a certain time limit for inclusion?Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 16:52, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- The time limit is being discussed at Wikipedia_talk:In_the_news#How_many_days?. Hanif Al Husaini}} (talk) 17:04, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Hanif Al Husaini: What I mean here is how long an article could be displayed in the RD section of the mainpage. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 02:08, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- The time limit is being discussed at Wikipedia_talk:In_the_news#How_many_days?. Hanif Al Husaini}} (talk) 17:04, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
2021 PDC World Darts Championship
Blurb: In darts, Gerwyn Price (pictured) wins the PDC World Darts Championship. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Guardian
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by OZOO (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Sporting championship not listed on WP:ITNR but has been posted for the previous three years. OZOO (t) (c) 22:13, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support in principle, oppose on quality de facto ITNR at this point (I'm surprised we waited this long to post it, it's usually the first story of the new year), but the first paragraph of "Background and qualification" is uncited. Other than that it seems ready to go. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 07:39, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality the article needs more sourcing, and a proper copyedit for tense fixes (current and future tenses still being used in most of the article). Joseph2302 (talk) 08:50, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Gerry Marsden
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, BBC, The Guardian, Independent
Credits:
- Nominated by Alexcalamaro (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Martinevans123 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: English musician, leader of the band Gerry and the Pacemakers. The article needs more citations. Alexcalamaro (talk) 21:03, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Needs a good lot of work on references, will revisit JW 1961 Talk 21:09, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I have added some citations. Now, it is all well sourced except for the discography section (seems coming from Discogs). Maybe an "Awards and honours" section could be added to the article. Alexcalamaro (talk) 23:10, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- "Awards and honours" section added. Discography all sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:44, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support well sourced now. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:00, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support article fully sourced, although still a bit brief. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:44, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support Good to go.-- P-K3 (talk) 18:47, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 20:35, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Subiakto Tjakrawerdaya
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 15:59, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 18:14, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 23:13, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Hank Adams
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press; Indian Country Today; Seattle Times
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Cedar777 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Lifelong Native American activist who had a hand in shaping several significant indigenous civil rights events in the last 60 years within the United States. Cedar777 (talk) 04:35, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose a few citations needed. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:32, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support now well referenced. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 04:27, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 20:32, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
RD: Mike Reese
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pennsylvania House Republican Caucus
Credits:
- Nominated by UncomfortablySmug (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Pennsylvania state representative from the fifty-ninth district. – UncomfortablySmug (talk) 00:02, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Weak Support Well sourced and well written, just pretty short and lacking detail. Gex4pls (talk) 01:04, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose barely above stub. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:33, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose. Stub (less than the DYK threshold) lacking education, personal life; hardly anything on most of his 12-year career in politics. Espresso Addict (talk) 10:16, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Alex Asmasoebrata
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 04:11, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I have added a citation needed tag. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:35, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Hanif Al Husaini: Sorry about that. Was too hurried to RD nom the article. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 09:04, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support as citation issues have been fixed. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 09:21, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Hanif Al Husaini: Sorry about that. Was too hurried to RD nom the article. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 09:04, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
WeakSupport lead too short but otherwise satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:43, 4 January 2021 (UTC)- @The Rambling Man: Lead expanded. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 10:29, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Satis, good to go. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:33, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @The Rambling Man: Lead expanded. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 10:29, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted — Amakuru (talk) 11:24, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Pierantonio Costa
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New Times Rwanda
Credits:
- Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Italian Consul in Rwanda during the Rwandan Genocide. Article has shaped up into a good Start-class C-class biography. There is some more content in Italian that can be used to expand the article. However, I do not know the language. If someone has a good knowledge of either Rwanda or of Italian, they can lend a hand in expanding the article. Irrespective, the article meets hygiene expectations to go to homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 21:40, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support. Seems reasonable. —Brigade Piron (talk) 22:28, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. The article says "He was also the Italian Honorary consul in Kigali, Rwanda, from 1998 to 2003" but then says "it was during his time as the Consul, that the Rwandan genocide would break out from April 6 to July 21, 1994". This doesn't seem right, as 1994 is not in the period 1998 to 2003. Also, as a lesser point, please edit to remove these "would" statements. The above should say "the Rwandan genocide broke out", not "the Rwandan genocide would break out". Although I have some knowledge of Rwandan topics, I haven't heard of this guy specifically, so can't comment on completeness... but the article looks OK to me apart from these points. — Amakuru (talk) 08:52, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- I think the "would" stuff is very USEngVar. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:44, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Amakuru: There was a typo, changed 1998 to 1988. Changed 'would break out' to 'broke out'. The Rambling Man is right, I hadn't even noticed that one. Thanks all. Ktin (talk) 11:09, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted. Thanks for sorting the issues, Ktin. With the support above, seemed good to go. — Amakuru (talk) 11:24, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Stephen, Amakuru, MSGJ, Dumelow, Black Kite, and Espresso Addict:, Admins, please can you consider restoring this article on the homepage / RD carousel. This article spent ~9 hours on the homepage before being replaced. Greatly appreciate your consideration. There is sufficient whitespace on row #2 of the homepage for this restoration. Ktin (talk) 20:39, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Unfortunately there are newer RDs that have to push this off, as the new system means that older ones are no longer stale if they get improved. There is no consensus for minimum duration or increasing the RD count, so the community will have to find other solutions if this volume is to be sustained. Stephen 21:03, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- I have raised a comment about this sort of issue over at WT:ITN. I am not sure if another RFC is needed, but technically Stephen is correct that our current rules specify hard figures of six RDs and seven days for nominations, while not specifying any minimum time for them to be live. Hence they can roll off after just 9 hours. It may be that our preference is to actually have compromise on one of the other variables, rather than the duration one, but we need to iron that out. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 21:10, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks @Amakuru and Stephen:. I had a response to your original comment there, which I think is reasonable. Link here. An article falling off the carousel in 9 hours comes across as harsh on multiple fronts, including on the editors who have expended significant effort on the articles. Speaking of this article, Pierantonio Costa, I personally spent ~4 hours last evening in getting this article ready for homepage, including going to multiple sources and rebuilding almost from scratch. It just seems very harsh that we can not afford 24 hours on the homepage to these articles. At the end of the day, it is a queue management problem and we can definitely do that. Ktin (talk) 21:18, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Some articles get days, some get minutes, and some (more so under the old system) get improved too late and have no time at all. Editors spend a lot of time improving article for DYK, and they only get 12 hours per set. As I said above, there is no current consensus for a minimum time. If a more recent article is of sufficient quality why should it be delayed at the risk that it then doesn’t get it’s time in the spotlight because more comes along to push it off. This discussion should probably be moved over to talk and seek wider input. Stephen 21:30, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Unfortunately there are newer RDs that have to push this off, as the new system means that older ones are no longer stale if they get improved. There is no consensus for minimum duration or increasing the RD count, so the community will have to find other solutions if this volume is to be sustained. Stephen 21:03, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Paul Westphal
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Needs sourcing, hopefully you can help? – Muboshgu (talk) 21:55, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment
"Greatest game ever played" aside, there seems to be too much intricate detail on that game, most of which is best left for 1976 NBA Finals#Game 5 instead. The bullet list is a hideous presentation too.—Bagumba (talk) 09:29, 3 January 2021 (UTC) Weak opposeagree with above, overly detailed on one game, plus a couple of refs needed. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:35, 3 January 2021 (UTC)- Bagumba and The Rambling Man, I've removed that detail. I think all citations needed are provided now. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:37, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support good work on the re-factoring. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 18:13, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support @Muboshgu: I added a tiny bit of context on the "greatest game", otherwise there was no mention on what he did in it.—Bagumba (talk) 19:33, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Bagumba, you are better at the basketball bios than I am. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:50, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 10:17, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) 2020 Gjerdrum landslide
Blurb: Seven bodies have been found following a landslide that destroyed homes in Norway. (Post)
Alternative blurb: At least seven people are killed in a landslide in Ask, Norway.
News source(s): BBC, AP, dpa (in English), Aftenposten (in Norwegian)
Credits:
- Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Lilduff90 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Sherenk1 (talk) 17:34, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose – This has been a topic for some time, and it's tragic for those directly affected. However, general significance is lacking. – Sca (talk) 23:28, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Thankfully low death count, even factoring in missing. Gex4pls (talk) 01:06, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support Five people have now been confirmed dead, and at least another five are still missing and presumed dead. This is a disaster even bigger than the Croatia earthquake with 7 deaths, that has been posted. 51.175.236.163 (talk) 10:29, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support agree that this is on a par (at least) with the events we quickly posted in Croatia. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:33, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support Highly unusual and remarkable disaster. WaltCip-(talk) 15:15, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support Tragically growing death toll. ArionEstar (talk) 16:21, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose This is significantly less significant than the 2020 Petrinja earthquake. Even if the death tolls are similar, the number of injuries & severely damaged buildings is nowhere near that suffered in Croatia. Had this landslide happened in Africa or South America, it's highly unlikely that anyone would have nominated it. Jim Michael (talk) 19:21, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Sixth body found. That still doesn't push it into the box, given the big picture, IMO. (And this user is of half Norwegian descent.) – Sca (talk) 23:11, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support — page views suggest reader interest is on par with the earthquake article. Quality is sufficient. (Someone please point me to which part of WP:ITN says body count is relevant.) Levivich harass/hound 06:57, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- History is rife with examples of why the magnitude of deaths associated with any event is important. We don't need a rule book to tell us that. – Sca (talk) 13:32, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Let the readers tell you what they're interested in instead of guessing for yourself. Levivich harass/hound 17:23, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- History is rife with examples of why the magnitude of deaths associated with any event is important. We don't need a rule book to tell us that. – Sca (talk) 13:32, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- "Remember the Maine!" – Sca (talk) 22:57, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. A source is needed for the assertions that the area was known to be high risk. I don't think the event is on par with the earthquake, which reportedly caused much more widespread damage, though that isn't an argument against posting. Espresso Addict (talk) 08:45, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Toll seven. – Sca (talk) 13:32, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment added alt blurb for seven deaths. Anyone know when the last natural disaster in Norway killed at least seven people? I'll guess first: 1934? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:43, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose for now natural disaster with 7 deaths. If it were a tropical cyclone, this would be snow closed. ~ Destroyer🌀🌀 13:45, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Because tropical cyclones happen many times every single year. When was the last natural disaster in Norway that killed at least seven people? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:47, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- For now. Let's see how things progress as the search continues. ~ Destroyer🌀🌀 17:45, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Because tropical cyclones happen many times every single year. When was the last natural disaster in Norway that killed at least seven people? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:47, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support article quality is sufficient, reliable sources are covering the story. Checks every box. --Jayron32 13:56, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- On Monday, aid workers said they still had hope of finding survivors. – Sca (talk) 15:33, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- PS: We could do without the word "massive," a journalism cliché. – Sca (talk) 15:54, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- On Monday, aid workers said they still had hope of finding survivors. – Sca (talk) 15:33, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support It strangely only received passing mention in the news when it happened, a little more when the first bodies were found, and is now a lead story with hope of survivors. Maybe broadcasters in 2021 really do want the feel-good story. The suddenness, size, and location (a suburb of the capital) add to the notability here, too, as well as death count and newsiness. Kingsif (talk) 17:11, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support decent article, and unusual enough with lots of coverage, so appropriate for ITN. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:16, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 20:22, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Post-posting comment – It's the drama factor at work. – Sca (talk) 22:48, 4 January 2021 (UTC) —
RD: Buta Singh
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Indian Politican Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 09:45, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. Needs a thorough copy-edit, and Buta_Singh#Positions_held fails WP:NOTRESUME and is largely unsourced. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 22:05, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Earwig is also potentially problematic. Looks like the resume section was copied directly from the first link, although that might be useful as a source if the content is restored in prose. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 22:21, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
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RD Elmira Minita Gordon
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Breaking Belize News
Credits:
- Nominated by Innisfree987 (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: First Governor of Belize following independence; first credentialed Belizean psychologist. Innisfree987 (talk) 22:34, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Paige Rense
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Abh75 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American writer and editor in chief of Architectural Digest magazine from 1975 until 2010. TJMSmith (talk) 05:44, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:45, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support Good enough for RD. Marked as ready. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 09:52, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 10:06, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Floyd Little
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN Denver Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: American football player. Article needs a little work on referencing and prose, I'll try to get on it - Dumelow (talk) 10:12, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:37, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support decently referenced, suitable for RD JW 1961 Talk 12:49, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted — Amakuru (talk) 14:44, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) 2021 Tribistovo poisoning
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Blurb: Eight people are killed by carbon monoxide poisoning in a cottage in Tribistovo, Bosnia and Herzegovina, during a New Year's celebration. (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:
- Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Pjesnik21 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose Domestic accident, similar to a house fire. The type of thing we don't cover at ITN nor have standalone articles for. --Masem (t) 17:34, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support International coverage, national day of mourning declared and well referenced non-stub article. ArionEstar (talk) 19:14, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem, a tragic event no doubt but domestic accident with practically no encyclopedic value. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:38, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - an accident with a single-figure death toll that was confined to a rural cottage. It's highly unlikely that we would consider posting a transport accident or accidental house fire with a similar death toll. Jim Michael (talk) 19:26, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
African Continental Free Trade Area
Blurb: The African Continental Free Trade Area enters into force on January 1, 2021. (Post)
News source(s): (Al Jazeera), (France 24)
Credits:
- Nominated by Albertaont (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: The article could still use a bit of updating, buts its clearly ITN and has a massive impact on the second largest continent by area and population. Any help to get it up to stuff would be appreciated! Albertaont (talk) 03:18, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support if the article is updated. This is an ITN story. --Tone 09:03, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose this was already posted when the AfCFTA became operational, see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&diff=905287877&oldid=905263081. 2A02:A451:8B2D:1:D071:8A57:9D92:CE97 (talk) 12:13, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Absent from primary RS sites. – Sca (talk) 14:21, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support - page views and article quality sufficient to meet ITN criteria. Levivich harass/hound 19:07, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) RD: Sandy Grant Gordon
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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WSJ
Credits:
- Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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- Comment. Sadly I don't think this counts. Just per sources in the article, his death was announced in Scotland on at least 23 December and UK nationally the following day. DYK should take it, though. Espresso Addict (talk) 02:51, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Espresso Addict, Yup. consistent with what has been noted in my comments. Anyways, thanks. Ktin (talk) 02:53, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
RD: Mark Eden
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Kingsif (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British actor with a long career and an almost entirely unsourced filmography. Kingsif (talk) 15:50, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I don't have the time right now, but this should fill in most of the filmography [6]. PotentPotables (talk) 16:44, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. Unfortunately recent edits which removed the unreliable sources also cut and pasted in from The Guardian obituary, which I had to remove. Should be possible to rewrite. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:11, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Carlos do Carmo
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Morreu o fadista Carlos do Carmo from Sapo.pt (in Portuguese)
Credits:
- Nominated by Amakuru (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Gianluigi02 (talk · give credit) and Artegia (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Portuguese fado singer. A few refs needed, and the discography, but I'll have a go at doing that. — Amakuru (talk) 13:12, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. Is there a better source for the discography than Apple Music? AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 19:21, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Possibly, but why would a better source be needed? The discography doesn't contain critical commentary, and I wouldn't think it needs to do more than confirm the existence of the albums. Something which the Apple Music does. — Amakuru (talk) 21:24, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- WorldCat also lists albums, so {{oclc}} could be used to link to the records for those instead. I'm on record saying that I think citations for discographies/bibliographies are overkill in any event, so it's no big deal in my view anyway. As far as quality goes otherwise, there are a few cns left (some of which I added myself),
so I'm a weak oppose for the moment.AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 02:15, 2 January 2021 (UTC)- @AleatoryPonderings: I have had a look at the issues you mentioned, please could you see if there are any other problems. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 14:40, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Amakuru, On a second look, it seems to me that the lede (especially the third paragraph) doesn't accurately summarize the body. The reference to jazz, for instance, is ultimately supported by this from NPR, which mentions jazz once, offhand. I also have a hard time believing that the three songs cited in the lede are definitely his "most famous"—by what criterion? A quick prune to the lede should get this over the top. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 15:07, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- @AleatoryPonderings: OK, I've had another go at it! — Amakuru (talk) 15:37, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support. My concerns now addressed. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 15:41, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- @AleatoryPonderings: OK, I've had another go at it! — Amakuru (talk) 15:37, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Amakuru, On a second look, it seems to me that the lede (especially the third paragraph) doesn't accurately summarize the body. The reference to jazz, for instance, is ultimately supported by this from NPR, which mentions jazz once, offhand. I also have a hard time believing that the three songs cited in the lede are definitely his "most famous"—by what criterion? A quick prune to the lede should get this over the top. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 15:07, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- @AleatoryPonderings: I have had a look at the issues you mentioned, please could you see if there are any other problems. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 14:40, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- WorldCat also lists albums, so {{oclc}} could be used to link to the records for those instead. I'm on record saying that I think citations for discographies/bibliographies are overkill in any event, so it's no big deal in my view anyway. As far as quality goes otherwise, there are a few cns left (some of which I added myself),
- Possibly, but why would a better source be needed? The discography doesn't contain critical commentary, and I wouldn't think it needs to do more than confirm the existence of the albums. Something which the Apple Music does. — Amakuru (talk) 21:24, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted. Espresso Addict (talk) 09:37, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Adobe Flash retired
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Blurb: Adobe Flash, one of the earliest and most popular ways to watch videos and play games on the internet, is retired by Adobe. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Kingsif (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Masem (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose on article quality only. It's good to see the back of this "technology", but a lot of the article is unreferenced. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:00, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality. Flash had accompanied the youth of so many people, but the article has some serious works to do. Unnamelessness (talk) 10:25, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose on notability. Flash was obviously a major deal back in the day, when it was one of the only ways to get multimedia and interactivity on to web pages. But it's kind of been falling out of use for many years now, such that today's news doesn't really look that significant or have much impact on anyone. For example, Steve Jobs announced its retirement on Apple devices in 2010, more than a decade ago... — Amakuru (talk) 13:01, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support pending quality improvements Nice to see something different. Impact is inarguably huge, and the topic had been widely reported in MSM, even in non-tech sections, for the past month. CoronaOneLove (talk) 13:27, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose – Per Amakuru. No longer significant. – Sca (talk) 14:01, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Of interest primarily to software geeks. WaltCip-(talk) 20:18, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Consider for RD? Support in principle, pending article quality improvements.—Brigade Piron (talk) 22:22, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support on principle, oppose on quality Flash might be old news but it was at one point it was known worldwide, and the closure of flash has been getting significant coverage. It's also rare to post a technology headline in ITN, and this is as close to a significant one as we're going to get. However, the article quality is not sufficient yet. NorthernFalcon (talk) 22:52, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - Not really that important in today's world. Schierbecker (talk) 22:56, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose I was actually considering this, but it's "death" was well planned already (for at least 6 months if not more), and its far less a critical technology today compared to 10 years ago. --Masem (t) 01:08, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Flash has been on its way out since at least the time Apple stopped supporting it c. 2006, so for at least a decade if not a decade and a half. How it is to be replicated in those viewing Internet Archives is interesting, but by no means in the scope of ITN. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 05:00, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Joan Micklin Silver
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by AleatoryPonderings (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Needs a good amount of work. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 04:23, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support. In good shape now. Innisfree987 (talk) 05:48, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article is ready for MP. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:33, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 08:40, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
RD: Dick Thornburgh
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Tunestoons (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American politician; among his career titles, he served as the U.S Attorney General under Presidents Reagan and HW Bush and was the Governor of Pennsylvania before that Tunestoons (talk) 07:26, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - most of the article is unreferenced, meaning it is very much not front page material. - The Bushranger One ping only 09:04, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose needs references. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:01, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose too far away on quality standards. power~enwiki (π, ν) 22:26, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Jolanta Fedak
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://wiadomosci.wp.pl/jolanta-fedak-nie-zyje-miala-60-lat-6592223678036800a
Credits:
- Nominated by MurielMary (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Polish member of parliament; article updated and sourced MurielMary (talk) 21:56, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support – article is concise but past stub class. It is also well referenced. TJMSmith (talk) 04:47, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. Stubby, some possible translation infelicities. There is nothing about her career outside politics, and what she did in office when she achieved it. Also no personal life at all (spouse, children). The date of her post-grad study would be useful (at least was it immediately after her undergrad education or later). Plenty to time to expand. I can't assess the given sources, which are nearly all Polish language. Espresso Addict (talk) 07:00, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Some details have been added. MurielMary (talk) 11:21, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 00:19, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Stephen, Another case of starting from the top when we have discussed starting from the bottom might be the more optimal way to post. Ktin (talk) 00:35, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Stephen, and, fwiw -- this article was NOT ready. It clearly fails the Spencer test. The article is just a listing of political offices and elections contested. There is absolutely nothing about the Fedak's political career in terms of work done, topics and policies advanced. Ktin (talk) 00:53, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Spencer's views on how much detail is necessary in a political biography are not shared by all of us here and should not hold up posting an item that meets the RD criteria.P-K3 (talk) 14:01, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Pawnkingthree, water under the bridge now, but, expecting an article to have details about the work that a person did rather than just a listing of positions / elections seems reasonable to me. That said, other than that vital detail, this article is clean and meets hygiene requirements for homepage / RD. While I continue to maintain that this posting was rushed and also that was posted from the top rather than the bottom, I do not / will not make a case for removing this article from homepage. I would also want to acknowledge MurielMary and TJMSmith 's efforts in shaping the article. Onwards and upwards. Cheers. Ktin (talk) 14:11, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Spencer's views on how much detail is necessary in a political biography are not shared by all of us here and should not hold up posting an item that meets the RD criteria.P-K3 (talk) 14:01, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: MF Doom
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Complex
Credits:
- Nominated by UncomfortablySmug (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: British rapper, songwriter, and record producer. UncomfortablySmug (talk) 21:45, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support – The death has also been reported by HipHopDX and XXL. According to his family and current reporting, Dumile died on 31 October; however his death was not publicly disclosed until today, 31 December. —BLZ · talk 21:46, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose – The article is currently very bad. Lots of uncited claims. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 21:54, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
Oppose. Need lots of citation work - uncited claims and citations to unreliable sources - and reads like a prose-ified discography atm. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 22:10, 31 December 2020 (UTC)- It's gotten substantially better, but there's still a ways to go, I think. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 02:51, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support. I've cleared out the last of the {{cn}} tags, and I think it's ready to go. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 17:21, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- It's gotten substantially better, but there's still a ways to go, I think. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 02:51, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
OpposeComment – I know I'm at risk of being "that guy" by saying this, but this isn't a recent death, and that fact won't change no matter how good the article gets. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 22:29, 31 December 2020 (UTC)- AllegedlyHuman, in the recent death procedure page, it says "Any items older than 7 days from the date of death (or occasionally the date of announcement) are not eligble for posting." This is one of the occasions where the bolded clause is relavent. --Rockin (Talk) 22:44, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- RockinJack18, thanks for pointing me to that. I still agree with others that the page could use some work, but it's definitely gotten closer to main page quality. Sad news to hear. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 22:50, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- AllegedlyHuman, in the recent death procedure page, it says "Any items older than 7 days from the date of death (or occasionally the date of announcement) are not eligble for posting." This is one of the occasions where the bolded clause is relavent. --Rockin (Talk) 22:44, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support – An important figure in hip-hop, article seems to have be of acceptable quality. –DMartin 06:57, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support - He was a fairly major name in hip-hop. Article can definitely be improved though. Basil the Bat Lord (talk) 08:24, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support – One of the most important experimental hip hop artists ever.--Catlemur (talk) 09:01, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
Weak oppose- a handful of citations needed before this goes onto the main page. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:04, 1 January 2021 (UTC)- Support good to go, nice work on the updates. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:58, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support – No cn tags currently on the page. Article is of satisfactory quality. Doc StrangeMailboxLogbook 18:07, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted. Black Kite (talk) 21:14, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Narendra Kumar (mountaineer)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Outlook India
Credits:
- Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
- Updated by DiplomatTesterMan (talk · give credit) and Ktin (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Indian mountaineer. Article requires some work on sourcing, but, doable in case someone can get to it before me. Else, I will get to it sometime this afternoon. Comprehensive rewrite of the article completed. Took a little longer due to my off-wiki commitments. But, the article is well sourced and is ready to go. Ktin (talk) 18:58, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose in the current state, problems with neutrality (eg in the lead) and tone as well as sourcing. Espresso Addict (talk) 06:52, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Espresso Addict, No one has worked on the article yet. I was to work on it. Managed some sourcing before having to attend to off-wiki stuff for most of the day. Too late now for the day, so, maybe tomorrow. If you have some time and want to attack the sourcing and / or the tone go for it. Both need to be addressed. Ktin (talk) 06:54, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- If you are expert on Indian issues, it would probably be best if you work at it first. I've hacked a bit out of the lead on neutrality grounds. Probably wise to run it through Earwig before working on it, chunks probably originated elsewhere. Espresso Addict (talk) 07:09, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Espresso Addict, Ktin Yeah, Earwig does not look good at all. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 17:32, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- It's looking better now, but there are still multiple small copied phrases. I've purged those from two sources but they're still coming up from other places. Not looked at this in detail otherwise, but just to start with the list of awards in the lead could do with pruning to the most prestigious and the tone is still a bit too laudatory. Espresso Addict (talk) 02:43, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Espresso Addict, please tone down the snark re: the text in the parenthesis. Ktin (talk) 02:55, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- There was no intentional snark, sorry. I've removed the irrelevant aside. Espresso Addict (talk) 03:05, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Espresso Addict, I have removed three awards from the lede, though I think that was not necessary. The latest Copvio report is here. I do not see any more reasons to hold this article back. Ktin (talk) 03:02, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Espresso Addict, please tone down the snark re: the text in the parenthesis. Ktin (talk) 02:55, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- It's looking better now, but there are still multiple small copied phrases. I've purged those from two sources but they're still coming up from other places. Not looked at this in detail otherwise, but just to start with the list of awards in the lead could do with pruning to the most prestigious and the tone is still a bit too laudatory. Espresso Addict (talk) 02:43, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Espresso Addict, Ktin Yeah, Earwig does not look good at all. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 17:32, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- If you are expert on Indian issues, it would probably be best if you work at it first. I've hacked a bit out of the lead on neutrality grounds. Probably wise to run it through Earwig before working on it, chunks probably originated elsewhere. Espresso Addict (talk) 07:09, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
As I said above, there is still copying from sources. Walking away from this. Espresso Addict (talk) 03:08, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
Support. Comprehensive rewrite of the article completed. Here's the Copyvio report link. Article is well sourced and good to go. RIP. Ktin (talk) 21:32, 1 January 2021 (UTC)- Great job as per usual, Ktin. Any admins patrolling ITNRD: probably worth some revdels, if they're not too complicated? AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 23:05, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. Please can I get an additional pair of eyes on this one? The latest Copyvio report can be accessed here. There are two direct quotes that are hits, as expected, but, with the rewrites done, this should be good to go to the homepage. Ktin (talk) 03:16, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Ktin, if it helps, I think for instance it’s things like this where the phrasing about absolving responsibility had been a quotation and then was lifted into the article without quotes. It’s a drag when that happens, tedious to locate and remove once already well into editing process. (I will go fix this one, it’s just as a for-instance. I did not look at the rest, Earwig kept timing out on me.) Innisfree987 (talk) 03:34, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- You beat me to it :) Innisfree987 (talk) 03:38, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Innisfree987, Thanks :) The latest Copyvio report is here Ktin (talk) 03:42, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- I’m unfortunately still wrestling with Earwig due to connectivity issues—could another editor lend us a hand? Thanks all. Innisfree987 (talk) 04:33, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Innisfree987, Thanks :) The latest Copyvio report is here Ktin (talk) 03:42, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- You beat me to it :) Innisfree987 (talk) 03:38, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Ktin, if it helps, I think for instance it’s things like this where the phrasing about absolving responsibility had been a quotation and then was lifted into the article without quotes. It’s a drag when that happens, tedious to locate and remove once already well into editing process. (I will go fix this one, it’s just as a for-instance. I did not look at the rest, Earwig kept timing out on me.) Innisfree987 (talk) 03:34, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- I am working on this article. DTM (talk) 08:50, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Espresso Addict, Ktin, AleatoryPonderings, Innisfree987: I request everyone to reconsider this nomination following the changes I have made. Please see if the article is now suitable for RD. I know more can be done, but do let me know if you spot any glaring issues. DTM (talk) 17:13, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Looks fine from a copyvio perspective: highest hit in Earwig is 13.8%. I've lost track of all the various versions, but perhaps revdelling before 17:32, 1 January 2021 (which is apparently when I ran the problematic Earwig report) would be wise. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 17:18, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- AleatoryPonderings, whatever earwigs is catching now isn't a problem as you also point out. Previous copyvios are have been sorted. I have not introduced any intentional close paraphrasing. DTM (talk) 13:45, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Looks fine from a copyvio perspective: highest hit in Earwig is 13.8%. I've lost track of all the various versions, but perhaps revdelling before 17:32, 1 January 2021 (which is apparently when I ran the problematic Earwig report) would be wise. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 17:18, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Espresso Addict, Ktin, AleatoryPonderings, Innisfree987: I request everyone to reconsider this nomination following the changes I have made. Please see if the article is now suitable for RD. I know more can be done, but do let me know if you spot any glaring issues. DTM (talk) 17:13, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support. Nicely done DiplomatTesterMan in expanding the article and categorizing it as well. I toned down the language and made a few minor copyedits, otherwise it looks good. Latest link to CopyVio report is here. Just for the record, this article was ready as of this revision with the corresponding CopyVio report here. This article should not have had to wait an extra day. But, anyways here we are, and the article expansion is definitely a positive. Nicely done. Ktin (talk) 20:30, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Ktin, so all that is left to do is wait, right? DTM (talk) 13:46, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- I have Earwig back online (ish) so I’m going through and will check back when finished, hopefully not too long. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:06, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support. Okay I’ve been through all the Earwig pings (two searches, one of cited sources and one of web broadly), removed three small phrases, and now I find only the kind of matching titles and other proper nouns you would expect. Looks ready to me. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:29, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 09:50, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Stephen, Dumelow, Black Kite, MSGJ, and Amakuru: - Admins, please consider restoring this article on the RD carousel and temporarily going to a count of 7. This article spent less than 10 hours on homepage / RD and has just fallen off the carousel. Greatly appreciate your consideration. Ktin (talk) 20:17, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Done. No guarantee on how long he will stay there though — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:36, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- MSGJ, Thanks much for trying Martin. Much appreciated. The article stayed on for 2 more minutes before being reverted. Please pardon my emotions seeping through the text. I worked ~5-6 hours between new years' eve and new year day, taking time away from family, to get this article to the state that it could be posted to homepage. I am sure other editors here including DiplomatTesterMan invested a good amount of time in working this article. That the article spent less than ~10 hours on the RD carousel is demotivating. Thanks again for attempting to restore. Much appreciated. Ktin (talk) 22:09, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- If I interpret Stephen's revert summary correctly then there were several other entries which had more reason to be re-added, i.e. other entries that spent even less time on the main page. Is that correct? How many entries would we have needed in this case to give everything 24 hours exposure? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:46, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- There's been 4 more RDs posted since (and it's been 23h), so the list would hypothetically be at 11.—Bagumba (talk) 08:50, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Ktin: It's frustrating when one sees "their" nomination get less time than they think it deserves. On the positive side, this same nomination would likely have already been stale with the previous sorted post model. In the new model, this still qualified and was posted, albeit less time than you might think is fair. The issue is that there is no consensus yet on the minimum post time, or if there should even be a minimum at all. In the meantime, each poster is applying their individual best judgement, which also varies. —Bagumba (talk) 09:01, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- If I interpret Stephen's revert summary correctly then there were several other entries which had more reason to be re-added, i.e. other entries that spent even less time on the main page. Is that correct? How many entries would we have needed in this case to give everything 24 hours exposure? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:46, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- MSGJ, Thanks much for trying Martin. Much appreciated. The article stayed on for 2 more minutes before being reverted. Please pardon my emotions seeping through the text. I worked ~5-6 hours between new years' eve and new year day, taking time away from family, to get this article to the state that it could be posted to homepage. I am sure other editors here including DiplomatTesterMan invested a good amount of time in working this article. That the article spent less than ~10 hours on the RD carousel is demotivating. Thanks again for attempting to restore. Much appreciated. Ktin (talk) 22:09, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Done. No guarantee on how long he will stay there though — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:36, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Stephen, Dumelow, Black Kite, MSGJ, and Amakuru: - Admins, please consider restoring this article on the RD carousel and temporarily going to a count of 7. This article spent less than 10 hours on homepage / RD and has just fallen off the carousel. Greatly appreciate your consideration. Ktin (talk) 20:17, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Tommy Docherty
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Joseywales1961 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jmorrison230582 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former Manchester United manager, aged 92, sources need some work which I will get to later JW 1961 Talk 16:59, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Once more sources are cited, support. TuckerTVG (whaddya want, loser?) 17:14, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- TuckerTVG, I think, with the help of a few others, that the article is well sourced now JW 1961 Talk 18:30, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Joseywales1961 Yup, article looks good now! Support. TuckerTVG (whaddya want, loser?) 18:47, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- TuckerTVG, I think, with the help of a few others, that the article is well sourced now JW 1961 Talk 18:30, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
OpposeQuite a few uncited statements, especially in the "Later career" section. Black Kite (talk) 20:03, 31 December 2020 (UTC)- Black Kite, Can you re-visit at some stage please, "Later career" tidied up with sources and some content removed, thanks. JW 1961 Talk 21:57, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:07, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:14, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
UNAMID
Blurb: The mandate for the United Nations–African Union Mission in Darfur, instituted in 2007 amid the War in Darfur, officially expires. (Post)
News source(s): Refworld, Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by Brigade Piron (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Seaweed (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: UNAMID, begun in 2007, was one of the largest and most controversial UN peacekeeping missions. Its mandate expires on 31 December, beginning a six-month drawdown period. In common with much of our UN coverage, the article is unfortunately not in a good state and needs quite a bit of TLC. —Brigade Piron (talk) 10:38, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- With the state the article is in, probably not ready to post. Also, just the mission ending (with the transition period) probably does not make a good ITN story. I'd support if there is any further development, such as mission renewal or restructuring. --Tone 11:01, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose – Based on an arbitrary date. If there were to be notable consequences, reconsideration might be advisable. – Sca (talk) 13:20, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per Sca. Old mandate expires, with no notable consequences as of now. ~ Destroyer🌀🌀 18:52, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- The mandate expires, so UNAMID itself expires? That is a notable consequence. It will explicitly not be replaced, and its activities are now restricted to securing its own withdrawal. Please actually read the links before voting. —Brigade Piron (talk) 21:36, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support It's the end of a notable UN mission, who cares if the end date is arbitrary. The notable consequences are that the mission is ending. What more do you want? Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 04:42, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - insufficient reader interest, article has not been updated. Levivich harass/hound 19:08, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Roy B.B. Janis
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 06:38, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
Opposeneeds work on the prose and referencing. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:51, 31 December 2020 (UTC)- Support vastly improved. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:08, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
OpposeYep, this one needs a lot of work. TuckerTVG (whaddya want, loser?) 16:09, 31 December 2020 (UTC)- Comment @The Rambling Man and TuckerTVG: How about now? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 16:15, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment @Jeromi Mikhael: Looks good now. Great work! Support. TuckerTVG (whaddya want, loser?) 16:36, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:10, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Muladi
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 06:38, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
Opposeawards section unreferenced. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:59, 31 December 2020 (UTC)- @The Rambling Man: Done and translated the names of the award to English.Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 16:21, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Checks the boxes. Albertaont (talk) 00:25, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:02, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
RD: Alto Reed
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Billboard
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Renowned saxophonist and member of Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band. UncomfortablySmug (UncomfortablySmug) 05:28, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose too much unreferenced material in there right now. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:01, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per TRM. TuckerTVG (whaddya want, loser?) 16:37, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose - four fully unreferenced paragraphs is four too many. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:04, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
December 30
December 30, 2020
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RD: Samuel Little
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News KGET
Credits:
- Nominated by TuckerTVG (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American serial killer who the FBI called "the most prolific serial killer in United States history." Article is well sourced. TuckerTVG (whaddya want, loser?) 17:41, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Article is in the main well sourced, though some of those sources could be added to support confirmed and suspected victims sections JW 1961 Talk 18:52, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Strong Support Article is well written and subject is clearly notable - "involved in at least fifty murders, the largest number of proven cases for any serial killer in United States history". Died on December 30 though not December 31. Inexpiable (talk) 20:50, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Article is good to go. Sourced and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 20:52, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support - looks good from here. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:06, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: There's no source for the "Confirmed murder victims" list and the "Suspected murder victims" list is only partly referenced (the source at the end of the explanatory sentence does not have a list of victims). From a BLP point of view I feel this should be addressed - Dumelow (talk) 21:51, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- I found a second source for the suspect list (newer page from the FBI). The Confirmed ones would appear to be those already mentioned in the body so it would be a matter of bringing references down. --Masem (t) 05:09, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. This might be just a visceral dislike for articles of this sort, but the long list of suspected cases struck me as hugely problematic. It feels like a discography or filmography, glorifying his work. These victims will probably have living family. Personally I'd just delete it -- any notable ones can be discussed in the text -- but I don't edit such articles at all. It certainly needs every entry individually cited to a reliable source. Espresso Addict (talk) 06:01, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose The "suspected" list strikes me as an WP:UNDUE enumeration. Sure, he defined by his collective murders, but not to the extent that they need to be in a WP:FANCRUFT table of trivial data. Do not need this on the MP.—Bagumba (talk) 09:13, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Aldo Andretti
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WTHR, Speed Sport
Credits:
- Nominated by The Bushranger (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 135.84.42.99 (talk · give credit), 82.24.29.39 (talk · give credit), Gianluigi02 (talk · give credit) and Waluigithewalrus (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: The other half of the patriarchs of the famous Andretti open-wheel and NASCAR racing dynasty alongside his twin brother Mario. The Bushranger One ping only 20:18, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:14, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 00:57, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Ronald Atkins
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by The Rambling Man (talk · give credit) and 2A02:C7F:B416:3000:7C85:DBE3:FBE9:2165 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British politician, former Member of Parliament (1966–1970, 1974–1979), dies at age 104. Longest-lived former MP. Davey2116 (talk) 19:06, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose couple of citations needed there. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:17, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted, now cited Stephen 19:57, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
RD: Indira Joseph Venniyoor
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New Indian Express The Hindu
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Indian radio broadcaster. A bit on the shorter side, but article has shaped to be a solid Start-class biography. C-class biography. Ktin (talk) 20:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good, if I had to comment on one thing, though, it would be to add some more referencing. TuckerTVG (whaddya want, loser?) 21:15, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Short but good for RD - I could only check the 3 English language sources, they seem fine. JW 1961 Talk 21:22, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Referenced and updated. MurielMary (talk) 21:54, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Black Kite: -- you might have missed posting this one when you just posted Elaine McCoy and Amelia Lapeña-Bonifacio. Please can you help post. Ktin (talk) 01:46, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Stephen, Dumelow, Bagumba, and Amakuru: -- Pardon the intrusion. Please can I request one of you to take a look. This one seems odd, maybe inadvertent, but, I think Black Kite might be offline. Appreciate a look. Ktin (talk) 02:01, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. Sorry, I can't assess this (per request below), as the key source isn't in a language I can read. The lead/infobox facts currently lack direct citations eg the year of birth. The lead could do with making clear that the two broadcasting positions mentioned are actually the same under different names. There's a lack of detail on her career, versus her childhood and personal life. Also not 100% sure on notability, to be honest -- radio news announcers have a hard time demonstrating notability; I've even seen such articles speedy tagged by new-page patrollers. I notice the two broadcasters she notes as inspiration do not appear to have articles. I don't think the two English-language articles are enough alone to fully satisfy GNG, they're very brief, and a lot of the other sources are not notability conferring. Espresso Addict (talk) 03:46, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Espresso Addict, The lede and infobox have computed dates. Don't think we will need citations for those. Regarding foreign language sources, we consistently use them. I personally have used (and others too use) a good amount of German and occasional Spanish resources on the RD submissions. That should not preclude the article, nor should it cast questions on overall notability. That said, if you'd prefer you can use a translator such as Google translate. I ran one now, and the results are not too shabby. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 05:30, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Sure, foreign language sources are fine, but someone has to check them! I can read German a little, so I tend to check those here. I would never use Google translate except to just get a quick ballpark idea of what the source might cover. Also the standards of checking necessary for a new article are higher than for an older one; anything that's survived six months here with multiple editors working on it can usually be assumed to be broadly notable. A new article can't. Espresso Addict (talk) 06:29, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Espresso Addict, I am tagging @Tachs: whom I consider as an SME on Malayalam language / Kerala related topics and articles on WP to review the sources, particularly the ones in Malayalam. Tachs pardon the bother -- can I request you to look at the Malayalam language sources if you have a bit. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 06:49, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Sure, foreign language sources are fine, but someone has to check them! I can read German a little, so I tend to check those here. I would never use Google translate except to just get a quick ballpark idea of what the source might cover. Also the standards of checking necessary for a new article are higher than for an older one; anything that's survived six months here with multiple editors working on it can usually be assumed to be broadly notable. A new article can't. Espresso Addict (talk) 06:29, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support The article is reasonably well sourced, three of them, The Hindu, Indian Express and Mathrubhumi, are reliable sources. Regarding the quality of the article, it is a decently written one. I have suggested a few alterations, which are minor ones. --jojo@nthony (talk) 07:42, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Tachs, Thanks Tachs. Much appreciated. Ktin (talk) 07:54, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Weak oppose per Espresso Addict. I looked at this one last night, and was struck by how little detail the career section had, for what was a 34 year career. Other than a catchphrase used to open her radio show, it's not clear from the article why she's significant. I decided to just pass it by rather than Oppose, as maybe others feel differently. But now EA has said the same thing I will echo it. If she really meets GNG, then there must be more detail available than what we're giving now. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 10:12, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Dawn Wells
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Best known as Mary Ann from Gilligan's Island. Sourcing problems in article. Masem (t) 19:22, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Weak support Figure is notable, but needs a lot of referencing. TuckerTVG (whaddya want, loser?) 21:13, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Career & Filmography needs some more sourcing, will change to support when they are fixed JW 1961 Talk 21:24, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose. Lots of unsourced text in the body too. Espresso Addict (talk) 03:49, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Question: Other than the filmography (presumably), what are the other parts of this article that people think need citations? I don't see any cn tags there right now. KConWiki (talk) 01:59, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Remaining CN's have been resolved - thanks Ktin for marking. Can someone check this? Joofjoof (talk) 19:43, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 19:50, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) 2020 Aden airport attack
Blurb: Explosions rocked Aden airport in Yemen killing at least twenty five people soon after a plane carrying the new government arrived from Saudi Arabia. (Post)
Alternative blurb: An attack at Aden airport shortly after the arrival of Yemen's new unity government leaves dozens dead and over one hundred injured.
News source(s): BBC, AP, Reuters, Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Gianluigi02 (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Developing. Sherenk1 (talk) 15:03, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose For now, article is a tiny stub with little to no information on the attacks themselves. Support If article is cleaned up, already 16 deaths and it's only been about an hour or two. Gex4pls (talk) 15:46, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
Oppose on length and quality but support on importance. Last I saw, deaths were up to 22. --Masem (t) 17:56, 30 December 2020 (UTC)- Support Article is in sufficient shape for posting. --Masem (t) 05:58, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Wait – Pending details, expansion of article. Guardian puts toll at 26, Reuters says 50 wounded. – Sca (talk) 19:18, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Wait per Sca. We need more details about the event. TuckerTVG (whaddya want, loser?) 20:21, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Obvious support At least 20 dead and growing... There's some hope the Saudi ambassador was killed as well. CoronaOneLove (talk) 21:44, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
There's some hope the Saudi ambassador was killed
? "Hope"? Seriously? - The Bushranger One ping only 23:14, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support altblurb now that article has been improved. Levivich harass/hound 04:25, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support -- this is notable and the article has been improved to the point that it is worthy of being in ITN. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 05:31, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support obviously notable, have heard this at a midnight broadcast on my local television channel in Indonesia. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 07:29, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Posted – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 08:10, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Post-posting comment. I've reduced the injuries count to >50 as latest BBC this morning states that. The AP source used for 110 is dated yesterday. I think it's better to be conservative here. Espresso Addict (talk) 08:24, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
(Closed) Abortion in Argentina
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Argentina become the third South American country to legalize abortion. (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Lmalena (talk · give credit)
- Support: once as the article has been updated. Significant coverage: The New York Times, The Guardian, CNN, NPR. --NoonIcarus (talk) 17:37, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support once article is updated This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 17:43, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Like gay marriage/rights, I don't think we can afford to recognize anything but the 1st country in a region to recognize abortion rights, barring other factors. --Masem (t) 17:58, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Masem, why not? We also post all the recurring sports events, elections and natural disasters, not only the first ones in the respective region. And many of these are less impactful than policy decisions of this magnitude with global coverage. Support. Sandstein 21:09, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- I'm just saying that this is approach we have taking with past "social change" like gay rights/marriage. Where do we draw the line? Until all 200+ countries in the world pass such laws? Identifying the first few countries that take these key steps seems to be accepted, but beyond that, its part a trend that we don't continually need to report at ITN, unless it is something extremely significant (like Suadi Arabia and women's rights). --Masem (t) 21:16, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Masem, why not? We also post all the recurring sports events, elections and natural disasters, not only the first ones in the respective region. And many of these are less impactful than policy decisions of this magnitude with global coverage. Support. Sandstein 21:09, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. If posted, blurb should read "Argentina becomes the third South American country …". AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 18:16, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose – Per Masem. This chapter in an old issue doesn't seem significantly impactful. – Sca (talk) 19:21, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem. Mlb96 (talk) 21:06, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Weak support Abortion plays a big role in today's society, but this is an old issue in Argentina. TuckerTVG (whaddya want, loser?) 21:11, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem; we can't be posting every single country that does this, even if this is rare in South America. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 22:32, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support per above. This is a consequential decision and may turn the tide in other Latin American countries as well. Davey2116 (talk) 23:14, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem. Similar to Arab countries making relations with Israel and maybe countries going into national lockdown, the first one to do so is significant, the third not really. — Amakuru (talk) 01:45, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose. Not worth recognizing. UncomfortablySmug (talk) 05:27, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support high repercussion in Latin America and a lot of coverage in all the world. The article needs to be updated before being posted. Alexcalamaro (talk) 05:41, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:04, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support in principle but Oppose on quality as the article is not up to scratch.-- P-K3 (talk) 15:26, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
Weak support on reader interest(there was a spike, but only 3k page views yesterday); oppose on article quality as it needs to be updated. (And yes, we can post a blurb like this for every country; the 2020 World Rally Championship was on ITN for three weeks of December, we have plenty of space.) Levivich harass/hound 18:56, 31 December 2020 (UTC)- Now oppose as reader interest has waned and there are noms that are of more interest to readers now. This would have been a good one to post a few days ago, had the article been of sufficient quality. Too bad. Levivich harass/hound 19:10, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
we have plenty of space
is not an argument to post an otherwise non-notable story. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 19:31, 4 January 2021 (UTC)- No, but is a rebuttal to the argument that we can't post every country because we don't have enough space. (And anyway, I disagree with your essay. Screen real estate is a legitimate consideration for anything main page-related.) Levivich harass/hound 19:36, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not saying we shouldn't post every single country because we "don't have enough space", I'm saying we shouldn't post it because, much like gay marriage or lockdowns, after critical mass countries moving in a certain legislative direction is not interesting enough for the Main Page. (Also, we shouldn't stoop to the 24-hour news cycle and have suboptimal filler when nothing else (except for a really big thing in the banner) is happening; this is stale, however, and I digress.) – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 19:49, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- You say "stoop" as if Wikipedia is above the news cycle, and by extension, the news media. We're actually below them. We rely on them to tell us what's happening, not the other way around. The news cycle produces much more content, of higher quality, much faster, than Wikipedia. Wikipedia would be rising to the 24-hour news cycle, not stooping. (Now I've joined you in digression.) Levivich harass/hound 04:20, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not saying we shouldn't post every single country because we "don't have enough space", I'm saying we shouldn't post it because, much like gay marriage or lockdowns, after critical mass countries moving in a certain legislative direction is not interesting enough for the Main Page. (Also, we shouldn't stoop to the 24-hour news cycle and have suboptimal filler when nothing else (except for a really big thing in the banner) is happening; this is stale, however, and I digress.) – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 19:49, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- No, but is a rebuttal to the argument that we can't post every country because we don't have enough space. (And anyway, I disagree with your essay. Screen real estate is a legitimate consideration for anything main page-related.) Levivich harass/hound 19:36, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
December 29
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(Posted) RD: Agitu Ideo Gudeta
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press
Credits:
- Created and nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Ethiopian refugee farmer who was killed in Italy on December 29. TJMSmith (talk) 17:22, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support. The article is well-referenced and covers the scope of her life in due weight (IMO). Innisfree987 (talk) 05:08, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:20, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:49, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Stephen, Bagumba, Black Kite, Dumelow, MSGJ, and Amakuru:, pardon the intrusion, this article was on the homepage for ~13 hours. Ktin (talk) 01:16, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Espresso Addict: who seems to be online right now. This article should be restored on the carousel in good faith. 13 hours. Ktin (talk) 01:16, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- I have restored this to the 7th item for now. What would be nice is some automated tracking of how long each RD is up for to get an idea of what the new expected dwell time is; 24 hours might not be achievable. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:26, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: John Paul Jr.
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo Sports obit
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by The Bushranger (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 47.147.141.51 (talk · give credit) and Talladega87 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Death from Huntington's Disease of 1980s-1990s Indianapolis 500, IndyCar Series, 24 Hours of Le Mans and 24 Hours of Daytona driver with two IndyCar wins and two 24 Hours of Daytona wins, in addition to being notorious for his involvement in the 1980s drug trade. The Bushranger One ping only 23:12, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Weak support There's one citation needed tag but it should not hold up the article. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:06, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. Not checked in detail but the first paragraph of the Away from the track section may need better sourcing. The prose style is also very choppy with short paragraphs, a timeline feel and some informal writing. Espresso Addict (talk) 03:14, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Done @Espresso Addict: While both Car and Driver and (especially) Sports Illustrated are reputable sources I've added a few extra sources including a Chicago Tribune article. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:37, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
OpposeI find it hard to believe that a satisfactory search for a free image for such a prominent individual has been conducted, so cannot support while the "fair use" image is in place. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:06, 31 December 2020 (UTC)- @The Rambling Man: @Amakuru: I'm not sure what you would consider a "satisfactory search", but my searching has only turned up "all rights reserved" i.e. fully copyrighted photos. Regardless, I have removed the photo from the article. - The Bushranger One ping only 18:26, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support now good to go. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 19:45, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- @The Rambling Man: @Amakuru: I'm not sure what you would consider a "satisfactory search", but my searching has only turned up "all rights reserved" i.e. fully copyrighted photos. Regardless, I have removed the photo from the article. - The Bushranger One ping only 18:26, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per TRM. Fair use pictures should not be used on so recent a death, when there's every prospect that someone has a free photo of him. — Amakuru (talk) 10:06, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Posted now the NFC issue is resolved. Black Kite (talk) 20:09, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Lorraine Monk
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Globe and Mail
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
- Updated by AleatoryPonderings (talk · give credit) and MurielMary (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Canadian photographer and contemporary history chronogropher. Death announced on this date. Article requires good amount of work. Will get to it this evening. Done and done! Happy with the way the article has shaped up. For someone who led all those photography initiatives, it is a bit of a sad note that we do not have a photo of hers. RIP Ms. Monk. I am calling it a day, but, do not foresee major edits on this article. Good to go imo. Article now has images added. Looks beautiful. Great partnership AleatoryPonderings and Masem. Thanks folks. Ktin (talk) 22:36, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support - referenced and updated. MurielMary (talk) 03:30, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Coin (talk) 05:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support article in good nick. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:08, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 10:09, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Elaine McCoy
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://edmontonjournal.com/news/local-news/alberta-maverick-elaine-mccoy-remembered-as-strong-voice-in-canadian-senate
Credits:
- Nominated by MurielMary (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: C class article on Canadian Senator; updated and fully referenced MurielMary (talk) 11:30, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose missing refs, no prose mention of her death, bare URLs. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:04, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment death is now mentioned, and I note from the guidelines on article quality for RD that "one or two "citation needed" tags may not hold up an article" therefore the missing refs shouldn't prevent this nomination from being posted. MurielMary (talk) 18:47, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support. There's one remaining {{cn}} which I can't quite verify, but it's by no means critical to the article and can just be cut if others can't verify. Otherwise ready IMO. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 20:45, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Strong support Looks much better than most RDs recently. Article is incredibly sourced and written. TuckerTVG (whaddya want, loser?) 21:17, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support, the article is well sourced. Alexcalamaro (talk) 21:42, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Posted. Black Kite (talk) 01:37, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Howard J. Rubenstein
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American PR mogul - Dumelow (talk) 08:44, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Weak support for such an influencer, not a lot in there, but probably adequate for RD. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:02, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Coin (talk) 05:38, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 10:07, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Luke Letlow
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MSN
Credits:
- Nominated by UncomfortablySmug (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: U.S. congressman-elect from Louisiana's fifth congressional district. UncomfortablySmug (talk) 02:47, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Well-sourced short article. One of the higher-profile COVID-19 deaths of the year. BD2412 T 03:20, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support a bit short but fully sourced; still some editing being done but it's good enough now. power~enwiki (π, ν) 03:36, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Seems good to go. Fully sourced. High profiled Covid-19 death.BabbaQ (talk) 03:46, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 05:29, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
RD: Josefina Echánove
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.gob.mx/cultura/prensa/la-secretaria-de-cultura-y-el-inbal-lamentan-el-deceso-de-josefina-echanove?idiom=es>
Credits:
- Nominated by MurielMary (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Mexican television and film actress MurielMary (talk) 00:48, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Short, but extremely well-referenced. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 06:11, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose several films and television appearances unreferenced. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 08:41, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment all film and television appearances in the article are now referenced. MurielMary (talk) 09:55, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose. Article will need to be expanded before it can be ready for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 11:32, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Can you clarify which part of the guideline on the quality of RD articles you consider has not been met, with regards to the guidelines here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news#Article_quality ? TIA MurielMary (talk) 11:34, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- MurielMary, other than the filmography (set of bullets) this article is currently a stub. We have not promoted articles of a stubby nature to homepage / RD in the past. Ktin (talk) 11:39, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. It is under 1500 characters of prose per the DYK counter. I'd expect more on a selection of her notable film roles from reviews or similar. There isn't even a comment on her two award nominations, beyond the fact of the nominations, and those films are not listed in the filmography. Not an expert in fair-use custom here (it's a lot stricter than the UK norms), but we've often held off putting such images into articles until a few months after death, to allow a full search to be made for free images. @The Rambling Man: for an expert opinion. Espresso Addict (talk) 02:58, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Well yes, it seems unlikely that in the time between her death and the upload of the image that a satisfactory amount of searching and requesting for a free image has been conducted. I would oppose all the while that non-free image is there. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:18, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Amelia Lapeña-Bonifacio
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Manila Bulletin
Credits:
- Nominated by Hanif Al Husaini (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Gianluigi02 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Filipino playwright, puppeteer, and educator. Article needs some work. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 16:51, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Have given the article a thorough overhaul and I think it's now ready for the main page. MurielMary (talk) 04:01, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose citations needed. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 08:42, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - all statements now referenced. MurielMary (talk) 10:10, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support It's good enough for the main page. TuckerTVG (whaddya want, loser?) 21:19, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support - looks like citation issues have been resolved. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:55, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Posted. Black Kite (talk) 01:37, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) 2020 Petrinja earthquake
Blurb: A magnitude 6.4 earthquake strikes Petrinja, Croatia, with many injuries and at least one death. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, AP, Reuters)
Credits:
- Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Daß Wölf (talk · give credit), AnonymousAlias (talk · give credit) and Dora the Axe-plorer (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Sherenk1 (talk) 13:54, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
- For the reference, we posted the one in Zagreb in March. This one was stronger but away from Zagreb or other big cities, so the damage will likely be smaller overall. The town of Petrijna was hit hard, though. The article still needs some expansion. --Tone 14:28, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
- Wait – Pending details. – Sca (talk) 15:30, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support in principle. The strongest quake was reportedly even stronger than the one that hit Zagreb in 1880, which would probably make it the strongest in the country's history on record. There's a rising death toll and many buildings were damaged in the nearby cities, including Zagreb where power outages and other problems have occurred as a consequence.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:56, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment – AP, BBC, Reuters update toll to seven – dozens missing. – Sca (talk) 22:41, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support The death toll is definitely higher than the one in Zagreb, it's receiving a lot of coverage in various news outlets and the article seems referenced as well. Scaramouche33 (talk) 06:39, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Prominent coverage in UK news, article now appears of adequate quality. Espresso Addict (talk) 07:02, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Posting. --Tone 08:21, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
(Closed) Pierre Cardin
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Italian-French fashion designer Pierre Cardin dies at the age of 98. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Black Kite (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Yorkshiresky (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
- Comment – Widespread RS coverage. – Sca (talk) 13:48, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support blurb once the article is improved. He was definitely a transforming figure in his field and the 'bubble dress' that he introduced has become a standard garment worn by virtually every woman in the world.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:46, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb Fashion designer seems to be a niche beyond a death blurb. Oscar de la Renta's death was not a blurb. Is there another precedent?—Bagumba (talk) 18:12, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
- Given there was only one !vote there to consider a blurb, I would not use that as a precedent here. --Masem (t) 18:18, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Bagumba: We posted a blurb for Karl Lagerfeld's death last year. I consider both Lagerfeld and Cardin to be on the top of their field. Lagerfeld owned and run influential brands, while Cardin was more influential in the style of everyday clothing. As for Oscar de la Renta, I don't think he was of the same stature as Cardin considering that his name cannot be readily associated with something like the 'bubble dress' that changed the way of clothing. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:27, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
- In any case, we are not a common law system here on Wikipedia. Each case is assessed on its own merits. —Brigade Piron (talk) 18:32, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
- For reference, here's Lagerfeld's nomination. Certainly an extended discussion. I'll maintain my oppose here. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 18:36, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support blurb, once the article quality is addressed, per Kiril Simeonovski. —Brigade Piron (talk) 18:32, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support blurb He was a transforming figure in his field. Oscar de la Renta was not. I consider Pierre Cardin to be more important than Karl Lagerfeld. Tradediatalk 19:04, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
- Weak Support blurb, as someone who is self-admittedly NOT into fashion, this comes across as maybe one of the 5 designers I knew of... like Karl and Oscar de la Renta. Can we put this into RD and then debate blurb? Albertaont (talk) 23:03, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support RD only, strongly oppose blurb. He was a fashion designer, not an influential world leader or something like that. His influence may have been significant in fashion, but it's still just the niche of fashion. 1779Days (talk) 01:08, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support blurb - Top of his field of work. He was a transforming figure within his field.BabbaQ (talk) 04:03, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. Not looked at the article yet, but I'd support a blurb on notability: even I'd heard of him. It's a pity we have no article on bubble dress, which currently redirects to skirt and doesn't mention Cardin. Espresso Addict (talk) 04:13, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Unclear if there's enough sourcing for a full-fledged article on the bubble dress, sadly. All I could find was [7], [8], and [9], and [10], none of which are especially detailed. Irrelevant for RD/blurb, obviously; just in case anyone was thinking about creating it. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 04:48, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Here is a nice recent piece on bubble dresses. I may take this up though I can’t just now unfortunately. Thank you for the references! Innisfree987 (talk) 17:53, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Unclear if there's enough sourcing for a full-fledged article on the bubble dress, sadly. All I could find was [7], [8], and [9], and [10], none of which are especially detailed. Irrelevant for RD/blurb, obviously; just in case anyone was thinking about creating it. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 04:48, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- No blurb, please InedibleHulk (talk) 05:44, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- No opinion on blurb/RD, but oppose on quality. Relies far too much on primary sources, mainly the official bio published by his fashion house. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 05:46, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality but blurb-worthy if quality threshold achieved as a transformative individual in the field of fashion. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 08:44, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb – The haute couture fame of the name notwithstanding, Cardin's passing at 98 lacks broad significance. Support RD when article deemed presentable. – Sca (talk) 13:40, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support blurb, a influential person in his field. The quality must be improved before posting. Alexcalamaro (talk) 20:27, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support blurb Revolutionized the fashion industry, needs work though. Once work is done it's ready. TuckerTVG (whaddya want, loser?) 21:20, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment I've filled all the outstanding citation tags or removed unreferenced claims if nothing found. There's a page needed tag, but has other online refs so can probably be removed. yorkshiresky (talk) 15:21, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
Posted as RD. Black Kite (talk) 20:09, 31 December 2020 (UTC)- Oops. I just realised I nominated this. @MSGJ, Stephen, Bagumba, Espresso Addict, and Dumelow: this is ready. Black Kite (talk) 20:17, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Black Kite, Can you have a look at references starting from #17? i.e. 17 onwards. There is a mismatch and a mouseover does not bring in the reference, nor does clicking on those references do anything. For all practical purposes inaccessible. Ktin (talk) 20:37, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Ktin: It was a not immediately obvious ref syntax error, which I have fixed. —Bagumba (talk) 02:43, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Bagumba, Thanks. Confirming here that the refs work good now. Ktin (talk) 03:46, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Ktin: It was a not immediately obvious ref syntax error, which I have fixed. —Bagumba (talk) 02:43, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Black Kite, Also, there is a dead-link on #10. Tried restoring that from archive.org; but, the first available backup there is also broken (404). Ktin (talk) 20:42, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Black Kite, Can you have a look at references starting from #17? i.e. 17 onwards. There is a mismatch and a mouseover does not bring in the reference, nor does clicking on those references do anything. For all practical purposes inaccessible. Ktin (talk) 20:37, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oops. I just realised I nominated this. @MSGJ, Stephen, Bagumba, Espresso Addict, and Dumelow: this is ready. Black Kite (talk) 20:17, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Copyvio I fixed the dead link mentioned above by Ktin, but looking at the contents show a WP:COPYVIO. They have been flagged in the article. Other potential violations per this report. I've left a note at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2021 January 1—Bagumba (talk) 05:09, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Even if the dead link were live and not copyvio, I doubt it is an RS. Probably best to just replace with {{cn}}? AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 05:34, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- The Cn tag is more if you are questioning if it is verifiable. However, the concern here is not that the text isn't true, it's that the text is copied without permission.—Bagumba (talk) 05:54, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Bagumba, Yeah, I posted that before I saw you had tagged with {{copyvio}}. I meant that, once the copyvio is resolved, we should find a source other than "Mid Century Magazine" to verify the claims the relevant text was making (if they are to be reintegrated in non-copyright-violating form). AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 06:02, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- The Cn tag is more if you are questioning if it is verifiable. However, the concern here is not that the text isn't true, it's that the text is copied without permission.—Bagumba (talk) 05:54, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Even if the dead link were live and not copyvio, I doubt it is an RS. Probably best to just replace with {{cn}}? AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 05:34, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Getting stale. – Sca (talk) 14:26, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Stale. Suggest close. – Sca (talk) 13:41, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Sca: We're generally now allowing 7d for RDs (pending Wikipedia_talk:In_the_news#How_many_days?) —Bagumba (talk) 18:11, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
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