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TenPoundHammer

Voice your opinion (talk page) (48/16/5); Scheduled to end 05:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

TenPoundHammer (talk · contribs) - Ah, what to say about TenPoundHammer. I studied the previous RfAs carefully, and it looks like he's learned from those mistakes. The fact that he's a very frequent AfD patroller is quite good as well. He has a huge edit count, for starters. He writes plenty of articles, as I see him at DYK every so often, and he's clearly created many articles, as well as helped make some country music articles look pretty nice. His participation throughout Wikipedia is certainly notable, plus he's using edit summaries regularly the past few months as well. He's certainly a very improved candidate the past few months, and is ready for the tools. Wizardman 05:30, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: My otters and I accept the nomination. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 06:18, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The nominator forgot to transclude this, so I did that for him. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 06:21, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A: Primarily, I plan to continue contributing regularly to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. If I become an admin, I will help in the actual deletion and/or undeletion processes. I believe that I am familiar enough with the deletion process to know when to delete a page, and will make sure to exercise caution so that I don't screw up. In the past, I've been accused of taking too many pages to AfD at once, or applying WP:SNOW too soon -- but lately, I've been making sure to think twice (or even three times) before I act. For example, I make sure to do several searches for reliable sources and/or claims to notability regarding a page's subject before I take it to AfD.
Although I'm not as active in countering vandalism as I am at AfD, I also plan to help out in that department whenever possible. I make sure to remove any vandalism I see, and report to WP:AIV if the need arises. If I become admin, I will help to block obvious (and I stress obvious) repeat vandals when necessary. Again, this is a department where I'll make sure to think it through first -- if I become admin, I really don't want to screw up.
2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?
A: Although I haven't helped promote any articles to WP:GA or WP:FA status yet, I've made considerable rewrites to several articles. Diamond Rio, Collin Raye, Lila McCann, Jeffrey Steele, and Cincinnati Mills are among the articles to which I have added the most information. Also, I rewrote Doug Stone (singer), Pirates of the Mississippi, Stephanie Bentley, The Bellamy Brothers, and Stephanie Bentley are a few of the articles that I have re-written from scratch as the previous versions were copyright violations.
In addition, I have created four articles which have appeared on WP:DYK: Neil Thrasher, Sakowitz, Larry Stewart (singer), and Pearl River (band). (Dennis Robbins, another one of my creations, is currently in the DYK queue.) I have also created new pages for very many notable country music artists; among the largest, most comprehensive, and most sourced articles I've written almost entirely by myself are McBride & the Ride, Robert Ellis Orrall, and Sons of the Desert (band).
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: Yes. My most recent conflict was with User:Keri Nowling, who has repeatedly been changing the year of birth in the Collin Raye article from 1959 to 1960. Although I warned the user several times about adding unsourced info, he or she continued to add the inaccurate info, citing Raye's MySpace as a source. I then informed the user that a.) MySpace is not a reliable source, and b.) the sources in the article all state he was born in 1959. The user ignored my warnings and changed the info again, so I undid the revision (mainly because it screwed up the infobox coding) and took it to WP:AIV.
It turns out that I was one step ahead of myself -- since Twinkle contains a Level 3 "unsourced" template but no Level 4 "unsourced" template, I thought that the Level 3 was a final warning in that case. (Even though it wasn't a final warning, I also cited "evidently vandalism only account" in the AIV listing, which I felt was valid since the user had made no other edits besides persistently adding the wrong info -- and I have witnessed other users who have gotten blocked indefinitely for similar disruptive edits.) User:Tony Fox informed me of my simple mistake regarding the warnings, and left a note on the user's talk page.

Optional question from User:Krator

4. You contribute to articles for deletion and state above that this area is also the main area you will use the administrative tools in. What do you think are the largest problems in the deletion process at the moment, besides the obvious "too many articles for deletion, not enough editors to discuss" problem?
That obvious problem certainly is a major complaint, but otherwise I don't really see too many problems in the deletion process. One thing that I would consider a minor complaint, though, is users who don't understand how it works, and thus make common mistakes (such as re-listing a closed discsussion instead of creating a new one, giving just a vote with no rationale, putting up a template but not creating the discussion page, etc.). Otherwise, my only complaints about AfD process would be borderline nitpicking.

Optional question from User:Pomte 23:40, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

5. How do you search for reliable sources?
Primarily, I use Google and Google News searches, applying keywords when necessary (for instance, if I'm searching for info on a certain mall, and there are several malls by that name, I try searching for that mall and the name of its city, or a key store within. I also try sources such as FindArticles.com and other freely available sources. Although the Internet isn't the only source out there, I would think that a total or near-total lack of online presence for a subject would be an indicator of non-notability.
6. Was it a right decision to tag Lynn valley elementary, which was already at AfD, for WP:CSD#A7? Why or why not?
On the one hand, the article did seem to meet A7, as it was a very, very short article on an organization but didn't assert notability in any way. But on the other hand, I would say that I got a little trigger-happy there, and probably should've checked for sources first. The article has since been rewritten with sources added -- and although I'm not fully sold on the school's notability (I think even my podunk elementary school had more than 216 students), I would say that no, I shouldn't have asked for A7 on that page.
6b. I should clarify that for question 6, the fact that the article is sourced now is irrelevant, but that your answer should be based on the quality of the article at the time of tagging. So I'm not sure whether you say no because you didn't check for sources, or because there are evidently sources after the matter. Also, what do you make of the consensus at DRV that A7 was indeed invalid? 00:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pomte (talk • contribs)
  • I'm saying no primarily because I didn't check for sources -- at the very least, I don't recall checking for sources. Although I've only participated in a couple school related AfDs, I agree with the consensus that since school deletions can be controversial, schools aren't valid A7 candidates.

General comments

RfAs for this user:

Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/TenPoundHammer before commenting.

Discussion

Support
  1. Support. At this point, he makes an overqualified admin. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 05:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support —BoL 06:23, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support --- thought he already was an admin; a good sign, I think. --- tqbf 06:28, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Strong Support I thought he was an admin, too. Look what he's done without the mop. Imagine what he'll do with it! Best of luck to ya! Mr Senseless (talk) 06:35, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support - of course. Addhoc (talk) 06:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Support - I have seen him regularly around Wikipedia, and I also thought he had the tools. He seems well-balanced, keen and responsible. Go for it! docboat (talk) 08:34, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Support - Does great work around Wikipedia. --Caldorwards4 (talk) 08:37, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Both I and my otters support this nomination. Lankiveil (talk) 09:37, 1 January 2008 (UTC).[reply]
  9. I dorfbaer I talk I 10:00, January 1, 2008
  10. Support. He is very involved in the AfD process, and although the opposers say that TPH has made a few judgment errors in the past, I can trust that he will be more keen. Overall, he would make a great asset as an admin. Singularity 10:10, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Support I previously opposed TPH for swinging his hammer a little too readily but I'm sure that with the extra experience he's gained since his last RfA he'll be a fine admin. A lot of people stomp off after failing an RfA or simply ignore the suggestions of other editors but TPH has kept working hard and deserves to succeed this time around. We all make mistakes but I think he's always open to discussion and that's the main thing for me. As I want this RfA to succeed I would urge him to perhaps leave the more contentious closes to others, at least to start off with, to assuage some of the concerns of the opposers. An article which can be improved is not an article which should be summarily deleted and I take him at his word that he'll search for sources (and add them) himself before taking things to AfD or speedily deleting them. Nick mallory (talk) 10:19, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  12. Support A hardworking, civil committed member of the community who would not intentionally abuse the tools. Perhaps a little too deletionist for some but we have a mechanism to correct poor deletion decisions. I'm sure the candidate will listen to concerns raised on their talk page about borderline (and not so) decisions and will learn from experience. If you get the tools, please start off slow. Spartaz Humbug! 10:41, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  13. Support First saw TPH on AfD and that's where they shine. We all make errors once in a while (in reference to the comments below). <humour>But isn't sharing an account with a couple of otters in violation of m:Role account and possibly PETA?</humour> =P NF24(radio me!) 13:26, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  14. Support This user can be trusted with the tools. I like that he is very responsive to opposing points of view if they are backed up with evidence. It seems to me like TPH will continue to work to improve his editing, and his work ethic is impressive. Darkspots (talk) 13:45, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  15. Support The user here is civil and well versed in how we do things around here. I was a little concerned over his AfD's until I examined closer and realized that while he does not think the articles belong, he is not attempting to have them speedied. He's bringing them to the community for a decision. Of late he is not contentious when people oppose him but in fact often withdraws his own nominations when he sees consensus is against him. That, to me, is a sign of someone who wants to work with people to build a fine encyclopedia. -JodyB talk 13:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  16. Support have seen him at work, a fine man for the mop I say. Cheers, Ouro (blah blah) 14:04, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  17. Strong Support - Will be a great administrator addition to the AFD logs. Rt. 15:13, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Support per many good reasons. Dlohcierekim 15:28, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  18. Support 110%. This guy helps Wikipedia no end. Has definitely learned from previous mistakes, and I really think Wikipedia will benefit from his being admin WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDENwe need to talk.• 15:29, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  19. Support as nom. Wizardman 15:34, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  20. Support add me to the list. Avruchtalk 15:58, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  21. support demonstrably a constructive member of the project, has earned my trust for access to admin tools. Pete.Hurd (talk) 16:39, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  22. Support, as previously. - eo (talk) 16:41, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  23. Support, this user seems to have a good grasp about AFD, and although he makes mistakes sometimes, we all do. Trevor "Tinkleheimer" Haworth 17:02, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  24. Support. As for deletion concerns, which seem valid, anyone who gets taken to DRV frequently as an admin learns how to correct their behavior quickly - it's not always a pleasant process. RyanGerbil10(Говорить!) 17:19, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  25. Support well involved at afd and his arguments are always well thought. As others have pointed out, we have DRV if he has too much of a deletionist bent. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:31, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  26. Support. Work with him in AFD, very good editor. Good luck!! Happy New Year!! Malinaccier (talk) 17:36, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  27. Support. I think he might have invented AfD :) J-ſtanContribsUser page 17:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  28. Support I know it's the oldest RfA cliche there is, but it's true: I'd long assumed he was one already! Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 18:14, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  29. Support good user, seen him around.--Phoenix-wiki 18:46, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  30. Support puts in the work, makes a few mistakes, but who doesn't. RMHED (talk) 19:28, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  31. Support S♦s♦e♦b♦a♦l♦l♦o♦s (Talk to Me) 19:30, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  32. STRONG support per questions 2 and 3.IslaamMaged126 (talk) 19:36, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  33. Support, user has had plenty of useful commentary, advice and (esp.) experience to prepare him for the bucket. --Bradeos Graphon (talk) 19:40, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  34. Support A solid contributor to AfDs and not afraid to bring items up at that forum for resolution to seek consensus on their suitability for Wikipedia. -- Mattinbgn\talk 19:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  35. Support For the same reasons I supported the last 3 times. Should have passed at the first attempt, in my opinion. CIreland (talk) 20:22, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  36. Support. Following a read through the nomination statement, the points raised both above and below, and the candidate's contributions, I see no considerable reason to oppose. However, I would offer Hammer the advice that he work on the concerns raised by those opposing, and particularly Le Grand's comment about being a little to quick to delete ;) Anthøny 20:36, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  37. Support, but needs to be less quick with deletions. bibliomaniac15 20:44, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  38. Support. From what I've seen looks to be careful, trustworthy and reliable. --NrDg 21:22, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  39. Support From what I've seen, TPH is a trustworthy, reliable editor. The deletion diffs are an issue, but not a glaring one; I'd advise the user to take more time when considering an article for deletion. Master of Puppets Care to share? 21:59, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  40. Strong Support I've opposed the candidate's last two RfA's, admitedly the last one based on timing. I've interatced often with this editor and find them to be courteous and willing to accept other view points. TPH's energy and efforts to this project are without question. Furthermore I trust this user to take it steady with the delete button. Very best wishes. Pedro :  Chat  22:35, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  41. I don't think there's any question that this editor would serve the community exceptionally well with the mop. If I hadn't known otherwise beforehand, I might have thought he already was one. Maser (Talk!) 23:35, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  42. Support - I am not particularly pleased with the answer the candidate gave to my question, as I think it is good to have some thoughts on the processes one's involved with, but it is no reason to oppose. User:Krator (t c) 00:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  43. Support May make a mistake here and there but seems willing to recognize when he does.--Cube lurker (talk) 00:20, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  44. Support TPH helped me a couple of times and I think he'll help more editors with mop in hand.--Lenticel (talk) 00:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  45. Support I don't normally participate in RfAs, but I do like to keep an eye on them. I've seen this editor around enough, and would give him my support based on my own observations. As for any possible mistakes, etc, (which I may or may not agree with) the best I can say is that everyone has flaws to one degree or another, and this editor doesn't look likely to fly off the handle. Yngvarr 01:10, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  46. Again. — Dihydrogen Monoxide 01:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  47. Support In general, has done alot of good work on music-related articles at AfD. dissolvetalk 03:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  48. Support It is time to give him the mop. --Siva1979Talk to me 03:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose, maybe bordering on neutral, primarily because I seem to still be seeing too much quickness to want to delete stuff rather than improve articles. I do, however, acknowledge that TenPoundHammer has been polite with me even if we do disagree in AfDs. He even nicely thanked me for participating in an earlier RfA that I opposed. So again, I am just a bit concerned that there may be a quickness to delete good articles or close articles as delete that we really do not have a consensus to delete. Maybe if I saw even more effort to rescue articles, I would feel differently, because personality wise, I think Hammer does put a good deal of time into this site and as I mentioned above is certainly one of the more pleasant editors with whom I have disagreed. It is reassuring at times that with some editors, we can disagree and yet still be able to do so civilly and be pleasant on other matters, even if it is simple things like holiday greetings. Thus, my opinion of Hammer has certainly improved over time and so on one hand, I commend him for participation such as here; however, part of my concern with the AfDs is that there are a handful of users using TW to nominate numerous articles in one day, perhaps more than can be thoroughly discussed and attempted to be improved by the handful of editors who participate in these discussions. There has been some controversy about using TW in this fashion. In any event, good luck and happy new year! Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 07:13, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I do not trust this user with deletion. Recently nominated AfDs:
    inadequate application of IINFO, 2
    questionable source searching methods, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
    inconsistent standards, 2
    The candidate mentions too often when an article has OR, POV, or lacks RS, when those are generally maintenance issues that don't warrant deletion. –Pomte 07:40, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Point taken, but (if every one of these AfDs had run to its conclusion and he was otherwise uninvolved) how would TPH-the-admin have closed the discussions? I see in his edits--in your list of AfDs as much as everywhere else--a solid respect for community consensus. Darkspots (talk) 13:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    He shouldn't have started them to begin with, based on the neighbouring AfD'd articles being kept for the same reasons. –Pomte 23:10, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    For the record, the two presidential campaign ones were actually 50/50 -- half because I thought they were indsicriminate, and half because they were contested prods. The user who placed the PROD on both articles called them indiscriminate, and I just happened to agree with him. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 23:41, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Hammer spends a huge amount of time at the afd's. And as he is human, there will be a few questionable calls. But at an rfa, the important questions to answer are - Is he flexable? Does he follow the concensus? Does he modify his vote when the article had been improved? Does he modify his vote when someone points out the questionable application of Wikipedia policy? His record clearly indicates the affirmative, and that's why he would make a great admin. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 16:12, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    I wouldn't be bringing this up if these didn't form a reasonable percentage of his AfDs. The incorrect CSD taggings shown below by W.marsh, made while the AfDs are already taking place, shows poor judgment and a hurry to delete articles that others are clearly unsure about. I would urge the candidate to note that it is not easy to fail A7 as it is quite trivial to assert that something is important. –Pomte 23:10, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Oppose The examples cited above makes me not want to trust him with a delete button. I'd rather see editors put effort into improving articles rather than deleting them, and it seems like he would press the delete button on articles that should be improved instead. RxS (talk) 08:59, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Oppose I still see the editor making many minor mistakes in his speedy-closing of XfD debates fairly regularly: nothing so glaring as to stand out in one diff, but a pattern of mistakes that (combined with editor's high activity) make me worried should he be given the delete button. Xoloz (talk) 17:00, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Examples would be nice though, even if there are no specifically problematic diffs. I dorfbaer I talk I 20:33, January 1, 2008
  5. Oppose per Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles. Tim Q. Wells (talk) 19:04, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Oppose. I find the lack of understanding of speedy deletion criteria, as shown in Moonriddengirl's examples above, disturbing, and in general I see far too much enthusiasm for deleting articles rather than improving them. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:41, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Oppose Just way too many simply incorrect CSD taggings: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8]. Those diffs just cover some of his taggings in the past month, a few of which lead to protracted and unnecessary drama. The candidate doesn't seem to respect that A7 requires just a claim of importance, and that it only applies to narrow classes of articles, or that A1 requires there only be enough context to identify what the subject of the article is. At this point, given how long the candidate has been here, it would seem to be an intentional disregard for these things. This seems to be direct evidence he would make bad speedy deletions as an admin... we don't need more of that. --W.marsh 22:26, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Oppose He's improving, but he's still too impulsive. I don't think it's really intentional, but i think it would result in improper use of the buttons. It was made clear in the previous RfAs about nonadmin closures and such things, and he still can't resist them. Unfortunately still not ready. Being flexible is not enough--agreed he';s good-natured about it, but he needs to actually understand and follow the policies. Some of the people saying support above are qualifying it so heavily that i think they mean he is not yet ready, but might be so in the future. If so, that's a oppose, not a support, even a weak support. He has to show that he knows first. DGG (talk) 22:44, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Regretful Oppose I do not believe this candidate should have (as of now) the power to close AFDs and delete articles based, among other things, the evidence provided above. I have come across this user in AFDs and while I was very inclined give my vote of support for this user (as tend to not vote against somebody just because they interpret Wikipolicy differently from me), I would not yet like to see him with said powers. I am sorry. --Sharkface217 00:50, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Oppose per W.marsh and, to a lesser extent, Le Grand Roi des Citrouille and DGG. Knowing and being able to correctly apply the speedy deletion criteria is crucial for administrators candidates who say they will work in that area. We have the potential to lose valuable contributors and contributions through errant deletions, and I'm not sufficiently confident about this users' understanding of the application of the speedy deletion criteria to be able to support them, sorry. Daniel 01:00, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Per W.marsh and Daniel. I am not confident of the user's ability to judge speedy deletions yet. — DarkFalls talk 01:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  12. The candidate has made multiple clearly inaccurate speedy deletion taggings in the last month alone, such as this, two days ago, and this and this, both a month ago. This suggests he doesn't understand the speedy deletion policy, and therefore shouldn't be given the tools. Picaroon (t) 01:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Erm...how is this incorrect? — Dihydrogen Monoxide 01:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Because it asserts a basis for notability (or does at the time of that diff). Avruchtalk 01:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  13. Oppose - concerns that the behaviour is not consistent with good 'pedia building due to above points raised at AfD. Concerted work on article building would benefit next time 'round should this fail to pass. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:31, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  14. Switch to sorrowful oppose per Wmarsh and Picaroon. Dlohcierekim 01:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  15. Oppose I have issues trusting this user with deletions.—trey(wiki) 02:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  16. Oppose I'm right with DGG on this: TPH shows a positive learning curve, but displays an itchy trigger finger far too often when it comes to AfDs and speedy deletion tags. The hardest part about cleaning out CSD & prod backlogs isn't deleting obvious crap, but saving mediocre-quality work with proper attention and research. I appreciate that TPH is dedicated & cooperative, but recent examples provided by W.marsh indicate a significant range of improvement needed before I would feel comfortable supporting. Keep up the good work, continue improving, and come back in 4-6 months. — Scientizzle 02:15, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  17. Oppose I trust this user to close AfDs (although I frequently disagree with his comments on them). But I'm seriously concerned with his outlook on speedy deletions, per many of the examples from User:W.marsh. I really want to support this user, and I don't want to let our differing deletion philosophies stand in the way (while I don't think he should have listed the Kennedy and Wallace campaign articles, to name two examples, I'm quite confident that he would have closed those correctly), but overuse of the A7 criterion is one of the biggest problems with our current deletion process. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 03:23, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
  1. --'n1yaNt 07:30, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Neutral - Very good user, do not think they will purposefully abuse the tools, but think they may be a bit button happy when it comes to deletion per diff's at WP:AFD. This user is very civil, still unsure whether to switch to support. Tiptoety talk 08:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Neutral: The issues addressed above are concerning enough. However, other than that, I've had several positive interactions with the user, and am leaning toward support, but I'd like some more time to go through TPH's contributions. - Rjd0060 (talk) 16:03, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  4. - too quick on the CSD button in examples above for me to support. Administrator's should be conservative with CSD - when in doubt, send to AFD. Especially marking db-bio for a high-school, db-context for a valid stub, etc. If the user would promise not to mark things as CSD when they're not so obvious, I may change to support. The Evil Spartan (talk) 22:33, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Switch to Neutral Weak support. I'm in a similar boat as Tiptoety (down in neutral), even though (no offense, Tiptoety) I really don't want to be there. I think TenPoundHammer is an excellent editor and a tremendous asset to Wikipedia, which is why I'm in support, but I'm somewhat concerned with a few things I found in contribs, which is why I'm tentative in that support. The AfDs mentioned in oppose do not concern me, especially as in a number of them the nominator withdrew the nomination once it was demonstrated to him that consensus was against him. I note that in the same period of time, he listed a number of mall articles for AfD that were accordingly deleted by consensus: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6, to name a few among the many. It's not like the nom is working to delete articles on former English kings, here—there is obviously legitimate need for discussion over what renders a mall notable and what does not. However, I've gone through his recent contributions (deleted and otherwise) with an eye for locating mistagged speedies, since I think those are probably a better indicator of misuse potential, and I do have some misgivings about some of those, particularly in WP:CSD#A1 territory. A1, no context, is for articles that cannot be comprehended because there is insufficient material in them to parse what they're about. This seems obviously to me not to apply to the following: 1, 2 and 3. (This one is hardly a stellar example of an article stub, but it was tagged 2 minutes after creation—surely not enough time to allow the creator to establish the article? I tend to think it might be better to watchlist an article in such a case and come back to it later.) Also, this A7 nom is concerning given that the article asserts a charted hit. The fact that half an hour later, after the speedy was declined, nom admitted "didn't catch that, they have charted a hit" in the AfD doesn't reassure me. We ought to read the whole article before !voting for delete, much less tagging for speedy deletion. :( So, given these misgivings, why am I in support? I've thought for a long time about it. I feel very confident in his work overall. I do not believe he will willfully abuse the tools, and these indicators of potential misuse are very small in proportion to his overall contributions. He is overall very familiar with policy, and given his obvious desire to work within guidelines and to seek consensus, I believe that once an issue is pointed out to him, he will work in good faith to correct it. Still, while he says above that "lately, I've been making sure to think twice (or even three times) before I act" in terms of deletions, one of those A1s was placed on 12/31 and that unread A7 was only a month ago. I would really like to be an enthusiastic supporter of this RfA, but can't without some additional assurance that he's going to be careful with deletions to apply policy properly and to thoroughly evaluate candidates before deciding that an article should go. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    In my case, DGG is right. I'm afraid that I am allowing my personal regard for the nom to influence my opinion. I spend a lot of my time reviewing speedies, and I would not support a candidate for whom I had less personal regard with those tags. I'm sorry. I won't oppose, because I still believe these are a small part of your contributions, but I should not support, either. If you get the tools, I hope you will make good use of them. I think you're a great Wikipedian. But I do have concerns that you may be a little too imprudent in deletions at this time. If perchance this RfA does not pass, I feel sure I'll be able to support without misgivings next time. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:31, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Let me make it clear I share your high regard for a generally excellent editor, with whom I have never come in conflict.DGG (talk) 03:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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