Talk:Satoshi Nakamoto

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 May 2024

I feel that there should be an explanation of the Len Sassaman testimonial in the blockchain that was eternalised that way after he committed suicide in 2011. Otherwise the image in the Satoshi Nakamoto article is kind of inexplicable.

Use this text form Sassaman's page to fix it.

A presentation given by Kaminsky at the 2011 Black Hat Briefings revealed that a testimonial in honor of Sassaman had been permanently embedded into Bitcoin's blockchain.

I propose something like:

In 2021, developer Evan Hatch proposed cypherpunk Len Sassaman of COSIC as a possible candidate.[80] Sassaman had been mentioned on bitcointalk on 15 March 2013 when a user suggested Sassaman was Satoshi.[81] It's already quite remarkable that Sassaman's image was eternalised in the Bitcoin blockchain shortly after his suicide in the summer of 2011. Hajosmit (talk) 16:09, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

 Partly done: I copied the text and ref from Len Sassaman. I did not use your suggested wording. Schazjmd (talk) 16:16, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 June 2024

I'd like to add Isamu Kaneko in Possible identities section between Hal Finney and Dorian Nakamoto based on this post

https://link3.to/orblabs/post/6cf04054fe2a49ffa95ff3cd541499de2f00d2736ac54eedefced1c2732e3408

Here is my summary of the above post. I'd like to add this summary on this Wikipedia page.

Isamu Kaneko (July 1st 1970 - July 6th 2013) was a Japanese computer scientist and programmer well known as the creator of Winny, P2P file sharing software inspired by Freenet, released in January 2002. Mr.masa, serial tech entrepreneur and angel investor in blockchain space who founded Orb, Modular Architecture DPoS based Layer1 which was acquired by SBI in 2018, argue that, based on Hal Finney’s post about the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto on Bitcoin forum, it’s convincingly possible to identify Isamu Kaneko as Satoshi Nakamoto with five reasons.

Firstly, considering his outstanding technical capability and academic background which was also proved by his creating Winny alone, Isamu Kaneko could design and build Bitcoin.

Secondly, Winny is the clear evidence for Isamu Kanako as a Cypherpunk. And, through his friendship with Kenji Saito in MITOH program who was ex Chief Architect of Orb, and invented iWAT, P2P Community Currency System in 2003, it’s quite natural that he shows his interest in creating cryptographic P2P money system.

Thirdly, because of his arrest by Japanese police department and conviction as guilty against his creation of Winny in 2004, he had a clear reason to hide his identity very carefully in order to avoid his second arrest against his invention of Bitcoin. But, he gave us a hint to his identity: he used Japanese name, Satoshi Nakamoto.

Fourthly, he can write (not speak) in English fluently. This means, there is no way for us to conclude he is native English speaker simply because writing fluent English is much easier than speaking fluently. Also, smart person like Satoshi Nakamoto shall be able to write in English very well with using some translation application and also post his messages to the forum or email with using his own software programs to disguise his actual life cycle in order to keep his anonymity carefully.

And finally, within all potential candidates, only Hal Finney and Isamu Kaneko already died, which convinced us why Satoshi Nakamoto never sell his 750K to 1.1M BTC until now.

Thus, we can conclude Isamu Kaneko is Satoshi Nakamoto. He is the only person matches all clues to identify the creator of Bitcoin. mr.masa also criticized that Authoritarians in Japan killed Isamu Kaneko socially. Mrmasa88 (talk) 14:20, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: A blog post is not a reliable source. One person's self-published speculations lack significance to be included in the article. If independent reliable sources cover the theory, you could submit the request again at the time citing those sources. Schazjmd (talk) 14:28, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

This argument is not accurate because of language issues. In Chinese Wikipedia, Isamu Kaneko was mentioned as Satoshi Nakamoto by citing Japanese news article. If you insist only English articles must be “reliable” sources, your argument is clearly discriminator. Why Chinese wikipedia accepted this theory while English wikipedia does not accept? It’s totally unacceptable.

中本聪（英语：Satoshi Nakamoto）

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E6%9C%AC%E8%81%AA

Also, in this Chinese Wikipedia page, it mentioned Satoshi Nakamoto denied that he was dead. But, this is false because here is his reply histories on P2P foundation. There is not such reply by Satoshi Nakamoto.

https://p2pfoundation.ning.com/forum/topic/listForContributor?user=0ye0gncqg772o Mrmasa88 (talk) 08:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Please don't post text from other sites here. Link is enough. Wikipedia should be based on reliable sources, not random posts. Retimuko (talk) 14:31, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 August 2024

In the first paragraph under "Other candidates", change "(...) and Irish student Michael Clear, who was in 2008 an undergraduate student in cryptography (...)" to "(...) and Irish student Michael Clear, who, in 2008, was an undergraduate student in cryptography (...)" to improve readability. Rewardsloth (talk) 18:08, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

 Done Kovcszaln6 (talk) 18:55, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Potential meatpupperty

About 6 hours ago, I was bcc'd on an off-wiki email from a "Wikipedia writer". It was clearly sent to multiple editors, asking that a newly published ebook be linked as a source. I'm keeping it vague to not indirectly become a meatpuppet. Mason (talk) 23:31, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

This was me emailing you. If you didn’t want to receive emails from outside, then you shouldn’t have put your personal email address in your bio. It literally says on top of this page, 'Be welcoming to newcomers,' but you were so mean to me. I don’t know anything about Wikipedia, but I’m going to learn how to use it :) Jessica plutman (talk) 00:48, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

I have it set up so that people can contact my personal email, not my work email. You contacted my work email. My full email back to you was "You can add it to the talk page. However, sending unsolicited emails to multiple users is not appropriate." Could I have been nicer about it yes. But that's not an mean email. Mason (talk) 10:08, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

New Source about the Identity of Satoshi Nakamoto

Hi everyone,

I was reading a book and noticed that it contains a lot of information about the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto.

The book is quite technical and appears to be written by a cybersecurity expert who has worked in the industry for many years. The author was able to compare files from Satoshi Nakamoto's computers with code compiled by another cybersecurity expert, Dr. Adam Back.

I’m new to Wikipedia and not sure how to start editing. I noticed that this topic is protected, so I wanted to reach out and ask if someone could check this book.

You can find the book amazon "WHO IS SATOSHI NAKAMOTO? The Founder of Bitcoin!" Jessica plutman (talk) 01:04, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I dont know what book that is. One suggestion is that you could take a short quote from the book, put it here, and also link to that page that bears the quote in google books so we can Verify it. Then we can consider it. Are you asking to include Adam Back as a possible candidate? Thanks! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 07:43, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

I don’t think the book is available on Google Books; I read it on Amazon KDP, and it was listed as free. I can take a screenshot and upload it to my Google Drive. Would that work for you? Jessica plutman (talk) 23:20, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

This is a bit technical for me but on page 11 and 12, it says: 'Quote':

These are not random numbers; these are PE-like Entry

Point (EP) and original Entry Point (OEP) in packed PE

executables that have been generated by compilers and

linkers. Every compiler and linker generates a unique

footprint based on your configuration and your PC setup.

(Even if you compile a file on the C drive, some compilers

generate a different footprint when you compile your files

on the D drive) Files in the test can be find here:

Hash: fa8194887ad3e85644bcaf85b8f43e1d

Hash: 192ef960bd269b499097fb154ef2b6f8

The Start of EP codes are in red.

Since you have used the same computer/setup for

compiling these two projects (Hashcash vs libeay32.DLL),

the compiler left its own signature there. I have highlighted

them for you.

Screenshot Page 11 https://1drv.ms/i/s!AsajjTwcxd_2a8bq5eNpUCEIlXA?e=ahy0ZN

Screenshot Page 12 https://1drv.ms/i/s!AsajjTwcxd_2bHjByPWEFrshpBM?e=Z0ey4r

On Page 13, it says: 'Quote':

We are comparing two files: one from Adam Back’s

computer from 2006 and the other one is this DLL from the

first version of Bitcoin from 2008. You can see it was

compiled in 2008-8-28. Even Adam Back confirmed that he

uses MinGW, as does this DLL, which is uncommon for

developers to use for coding. When I was analyzing

Hashcash files, I was looking for a GCC compiler, and that’s

how I finally was able to find a file from the Hashcash

project compiled in 2006.

Screenshot Page 13 https://1drv.ms/i/s!AsajjTwcxd_2beqRdR63O5SoMzw?e=fbv4Wz Jessica plutman (talk) 01:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

I provided the information you requested Jessica plutman (talk) 01:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

"WHO IS SATOSHI NAKAMOTO? The Founder of Bitcoin!" appears to be a self-published ebook and not a reliable source. Schazjmd (talk) 14:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Self-published doesn't mean bad.

A self-published source can be independent, authoritative, high-quality, accurate, fact-checked, and expert-approved.

Quote from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_and_using_self-published_works Jessica plutman (talk) 23:12, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

We are not using self published on cryptocurrency genre. This sounds like it might also be WP:OR, although I have to admit I dont fully comprehend what is being discussed here. Thanks! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 03:57, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

This topic gets more interesting, This won't fit into that category of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:OR

Since there are reliable sources that suggest he could be Satoshi Nakamoto.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Back#cite_note-BloombergBack-2

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-02/latest-satoshi-nakamoto-candidate-buying-bitcoin-no-matter-what

In the book, Adam Back's Wikipedia is also mentioned.

As the author tries to prove independently that Adam Back is Satoshi Nakamoto based on files from Adam Back's computer and the file from first release of Bitcoin.

Source: Self-published doesn't mean bad.

A self-published source can be , authoritative, high-quality, accurate, fact-checked, and expert-approved.

Quote from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_and_using_self-published_works Jessica plutman (talk) 00:16, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Adam Back is already listed in the article as a potential candidate, as well as his denial that he is Nakamoto. Schazjmd (talk) 14:25, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Obviously, he is trying to deny it because of his conflict of interest. He also mentioned this in the book and asked the author to prove it to him. I'm not an expert in Bitcoin, but can you say that what is stated in the book is incorrect? If not, then, as Wikipedia suggests regarding independent sources, it's reasonable to consider this book as a valid source. Jessica plutman (talk) 01:21, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Has this book been cited in reliable sources with relevant subject-matter expertise? AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

The book just came out recently, however, I Google the author’s website (it’s linked at the end of the book) i saw that the author apparently found a vulnerability in Bitcoin, and it’s even been verified by a government website.

This link: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2023-37192

I guess that gives the author some credibility when it comes to investigating Bitcoin. Jessica plutman (talk) 18:55, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Your guess is incorrect. And please note that Wikipedia:Identifying and using self-published works is an essay. It is neither policy nor a guideline, and you are misinterpreting it anyway. Nothing you have written so far constitutes evidence that the book you are proposing to cite meets WP:RS policy. We aren't going to cite a book only published on Kindle, by an author for whom no evidence of recognised expertise (e.g. citation in recognised subject-matter-relevant reliable sources) can be found. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:24, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

@Jessica plutman: thank you for bringing up this piece of information and caring about Wikipedia. You're correct that an self-published source like this could prove to be reliable - we just can't trust that they are. Wikipedia is not the right platform to make that determination. If this indeed turns out to be a reliable source, I fully trust that journalists will pick up the information, verify it and publish about it in secondary sources. Those secondary sources would then be excellent sources that we can rely on.

So all in all, probably best to just give this some time, and in a few months we'll know if this gets information gets validated. effeietsanders 20:16, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 September 2024

Update date in Development section at “[…] owns between 750,000 and 1,100,000 Bitcoin.[needs update] In November 2021, when […]” Kntic (talk) 15:06, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: We can't update the date without a later source to support it. I've tweaked the wording in that paragraph to correspond with the source, which is that it was estimated in 2021 how much he owned. Schazjmd (talk) 15:13, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Another pop culture reference

In 2018, Nelson Saiers placed a 10-foot inflatable Bitcoin rat in front of the New York Federal Reserve as a tribute to Satoshi Nakamoto. The installation was later moved to Jekyll Island. refernces: https://fortune.com/2018/10/12/giant-inflatable-bitcoin-rat-wall-street-facing-feds-building/ 2600:4041:7974:3D00:5484:6F04:EE12:A81C (talk) 21:52, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

HBO documentary

A new HBO documentary, set to air on October 8, 2024, claims to reveal the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto.

https://www.politico.eu/article/mystery-creator-bitcoin-identified-new-hbo-documentary-satoshi-nakamoto-crypto-currency/ 2600:4041:7974:3D00:5484:6F04:EE12:A81C (talk) 21:56, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Lot of hype around this, better to wait until it releases in a few hours to include. NAADAAN (talk) 17:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Nice source Politico we can use for Len and Peter Todd. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 01:44, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Rance SartiN = Satoshi N

Pronounced Satoshin. My name is Rance SartiN. I was on the phone with “Tom from California” when we ananinavized Satoshi Nakamoto. That part of our phone conversation took approximately 2 and 1/2 hours. Also the first 2 million coin in sequence have my name on them, per verbal agreement(e-signature of the day and times via phone). That predates the inception of Satoshi Nakamoto and the ToeShin coin account. Also, I must answer “I AM SATOSHI” as well as I was there when that ceremony was performed and know who it is for, and why… thank you. Sincerely, Rance SartiN p.s. AnImABilyeu for Dat Too 2600:8804:9017:4A00:F45A:99BB:50C6:48D9 (talk) 19:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Don't tell us. Convince a reporter who will write about it. Schazjmd (talk) 19:44, 10 October 2024 (UTC)