Talk:Artemisia I of Caria

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Has anyone found any confirmation for the last part about Artemisia committing suicide? I've read a decent amount on her and I never encountered anything suggesting that she did this. --Aliaslola 22:16, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I think the source is Photius' Myrobiblion, who speaking of a work called New History (now lost) by a certain Ptolemaeus Chennus writes:

And many others, men and women, suffering from the evil of love, were delivered from their passion in jumping from the top of the rock, such as Artemesa, daughter of Lygdamis, who made war with Persia; enamoured of Dardarnus of Abydos and scorned, she scratched out his eyes while he slept but as her love increased under the inflence of divine anger, she came to Leucade at the instruction of an oracle, threw herself from the top of the rock, killed herself and was buried.

Hope this awnsers your question. --Aldux 22:47, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, my work was focusing on Herodotus.--Aliaslola 00:08, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

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In regard to the etymology of Artemisia: From the Greek meaning "bush" in botany. Arteri-, arterio- also from the Greek artiria and airo, along with artery, arteria. Other Greek derivatives include: arteriogenesis, arteriography, arteriology, arteriopathy, arteriorrhagia, arteriorrhaphy, arteriorrhexis, arteriosclerosis, arteriostenosis, arteriotomy, arterious, arteritis. 124.177.106.42 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:39, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Would seem to be more directly connected with "Artemis". AnonMoos (talk) 14:36, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Is Artemisia not the Latin word for "wormwood"?

Death

Yes, but how credible is this source? Photios writes 1350 years after the Persian Wars, and even if we rely on Chennus, he writes 600 years too late. The story of Artemisia's suicide is more likely a folk tale.

Herodotus

I am trying to track down the source within Herodotus for some acedemic work. I have read it is in book seven of his histories(betwen the 20 and 22 logos), but cannot find it with a search. Does he use an alternate spelling of her name? The text I am using is the George Rawlinson version, so it is possible it is older and less complete. Regardless, I am cunfused. If someone could post page numbers in the discussion pages it would be appreciated.

I have found this site with passages, still am trying to find it within the larger text:

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/480artemisia.html

I think the problem I've had stems from issues with the http://classics.mit.edu/Herodotus/history.html page. I've got enough info to site this now.

This text seems better.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/herodotus-history.txt

Herodotus II

Herodotus mentions Artemisia on several occasions. She is introduced in VII.99. VIII.68 she advises Xerxes not to fight at Salamis. VIII.87-88 she fights at Salamis. VIII.101-103 she advises Xerxes to retreat to Susa, and he entrusts her with his sons.

I hope this has been helpful. Kind regards Maria Kargaard

Her rule

The article say nothing of her rule! Why did she rule Caria? For how long? Who were her parents? Was she born princess of Caria? Did she do anything else other than participating in the battle? --85.226.47.151 (talk) 11:16, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Almost nothing reliable is known other than what Herodotus included in his history. AnonMoos (talk) 14:57, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

According to Bettany Hughes:Artemisia's father was satrap (governor) of Halicarnassus Kasparjust (talk) 11:03, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

References

Lover of Xerxes

What is the source for Artemisia and Xerxes being lovers? I am pretty sure that is not in the Greek tradition, but it might appear in Persian literature. In any case, a source should be cited for that detail. Anybody know it?

Herodotean75 (talk) 17:24, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

There isn't any relevant Persian literature. AnonMoos (talk) 14:36, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Bad grammar

There is very bad grammar in later sections of the page. -- 21:43, 1 September 2013‎ 31.51.228.131

To the anonymous IP editor(s) that, at least lately, seem to originate from Iran

• Please provide reference(s) supporting your claims ; I don't speak Old Persian or Farsi or..., sorry for that, but Anahita though possibly related in one way or another, doesn't seem to be the equivalent of Artemisia. This is the reason I've removed the Persian name forms from the lead. If I'm wrong and this, for whatever reason, is indeed how Artemisia is and/or was called in ancient or modern Persian please reinsert the cut part PROVIDING at the same time some references; if not inside the article then at least here at the talk page; claims after all have to be verifiable. Again apologies for any possible errors caused by my lack of knowledge of any form of Persian.
• Please don't delete, let alone without justification, text about which -many- references have been provided; please try to aim at NPOV; speaking for myself I hadn't deleted the possibility of a Persian derivation of Artemis, that is, I hadn't delete what you've inserted and reinserted, I had even rewritten properly the missing references from the parts you had added; moreover I've only reinstated and/or added the other possibilities and what seems to me and others- to be the scholarly consensus, i.e. that the etymology is unknown-uncertain.

Please refrain from a futile editwar.
I've asked politely before at my edit summaries.
I'm asking politely again, here, now.
Thanx. Thanatos|talk|contributions 10:23, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Ethnicity

How should we fill the ethnicity section? Greek? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lamedumal (talk • contribs) 09:35, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Since we have no simple or definitive answer, we should definitely leave it blank. Richard Keatinge (talk) 11:32, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Either what Richard said or I'd say Graeco-Carian or Halicarnassian Graeco-Carian.
P.S. Caria at her time was anyway already partly hellenised and would be later become fully so.
P.P.S. For the record: Without any at all intended disrespect towards our Persian friends, some of whom visit at times this page and edit accordingly, Persian she was definitely not. According to the sources, that is; feel free to provide reliable sources if you disagree... ;-)
Thanatos|talk|contributions 03:36, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't know she was Greek or not, but she was not Persian (or another Iranic ethnicity). Nothing in the cited sources of this article (for example, see Iranica). She was an ally of the Persian empire. She was Anatolian. Just because of that alliance, some users think she was Persian/Iranic and added her to Iranian peoples infobox in previous revisions of that article (wrong edits). Reliable source does matter. If your RS says she was X (X= ethnic group), then add X to the article with your cited RS. --Zyma (talk) 04:31, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

To quote Herodotus: "Now her name, as I said, was Artemisia and she was the daughter of Lygdamis, and by descent she was of Halicarnassos on the side of her father, but of Crete by her mother. She was ruler of the men of Halicarnassos and Cos and Nisyros and Calydna, furnishing five ships; and she furnished ships which were of all the fleet reputed the best after those of the Sidonians, and of all his allies she set forth the best counsels to the king. Of the States of which I said that she was leader I declare the people to be all of Dorian race, those of Halicarnassos being Troizenians, and the rest Epidaurians." It doesn't amount to any simplistic identity for her personal nationality. Richard Keatinge (talk) 18:41, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Good point, my question: then Dorian is the best specific identity for her? --Zyma (talk) 06:14, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

At the moment we describe her as "queen of Halicarnassus,[1] a city of Dorian Greeks... Artemisia's father was the king of Halicarnassus, Lygdamis I (Greek: Λύγδαμις Α') [5][6] and her mother was from the island of Crete.[7][8]" That seems to include all the information we have. Without any specific information that she would have personally claimed Dorian Greek identity or regarded it as important, I'd suggest leaving it as it is. Richard Keatinge (talk) 08:03, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

The consensus in all secondary sources is that she was Greek. For Herodotus both 'Halicarnassean' and 'Cretan' mean Greek. Halicarnassus was a Greek city and it doesn't matter what Caria was. In fact, I'm not aware of a single viewpoint that thinks of her as anything else. So why not just say that she was Greek? If you think that she was Anatolian then provide some sources, though a plain Google search will tell you that she's always mentioned as a Greek queen and that's important in the narrative of Herodotus. Hakkinen (talk) 13:46, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

misleading borderline lying

Iranian destroyer (Persian: ناوشکن) built during the Pahlavi dynasty was named Artemis in her honour.

The sentence above implies it was built by Iranians, during the Pahlavi era. It was not built by Iranians.

see original article:

"HMS Sluys was a Battle-class destroyer of the Royal Navy (RN). She was named in honour of the Battle of Sluys which occurred in 1340 during the Hundred Years' War, and which resulted in a decisive English victory over a French fleet. Sluys was built by Cammell Laird of Birkenhead. She was launched on 28 February 1945 and commissioned on 30 September 1946. In 1967, the ship was transferred to Iran and renamed Artemiz" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.79.143.139 (talk) 03:54, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing out this issue. I have replaced the word "built" with the word "purchased" so that the meaning is clearer. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 07:40, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

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Ethnicity: Crete

Artemisia was Greek, as it is discussed in another discussion. Nevertheless, the beginning of the article mentioning her Cretan descent from the mother's side is suggesting that Crete is not Greek... This part has to be rewritten. Onoufrios d (talk) 15:18, 10 January 2022 (UTC)