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Merge proposal

~~Proposal: merge with Chinese wine. This article overlaps with that one. Badagnani 09:16, 28 February 2006 (UTC)~~[reply]

I disagree. It should be independent. Baijiu is liquor, not wine. Even if the article 'Chinese Wines' covers baijiu, there should be an independent article about especially considering it is the liquor of choice for the most populous country in the world. --—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.4.231.134 (talk • contribs).

no -- it is not wine --—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.35.48.141 (talk • contribs).

Add

To add to article: 1) small section on production with wikilink to the production section of the Chinese wine article; 2) discussion of how Chinese liquors are generally distilled only once, and not filtered, unlike vodka. Badagnani 06:01, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Another "add" -- http://english.people.com.cn/200612/13/eng20061213_331951.html -- link to a People's Daily article which lists Wuliangye and Maotai as the two "most popular brands" in China. --Shannonr 03:30, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wuliangye photo

Why does the Wuliangye photo appear 2 times? Badagnani 09:58, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No idea, I simply moved one photo down a bit. There are also two of gaoliang. Sjschen 18:53, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Popular just in Beijing?

The article states the following under the section about Erguotou:

It is inexpensive, and thus particularly popular among blue-collar workers in Beijing.

Is it not popular among working classes in other parts of China, or at least in North China? --131.238.207.202 21:13, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've been to Beijing and learned that it is particularly popular there, a kind of signature drink for cab drivers and blue collar workers. This may have something to do with its location of production. If you know for certain that it is popular in other regions of China as well, feel free to list those regions. Badagnani 21:27, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm expanding the statement in the article from Beijing to Northern China. It's popular right across the northern "rust belt". --Shannonr 01:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I assume this means from Harbin to Shandong? Badagnani 01:43, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. "北方"--Shannonr 02:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Harbin is not in northern China; it's in Northeast China. Badagnani 02:28, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

True! What do you suggest as a good English equivalent for the Chinese shorthand "北方" for the region? --Shannonr 02:39, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Does that include North China and Northeast China? Why not just say "northern and northeastern China"? Badagnani 02:43, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, everything except northwest (!) I'll make the change to your suggestion. --Shannonr 02:52, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chilled?

Is baijiu ever served chilled? Badagnani 05:10, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No. There are strong TCM overtones with chilled drinks in China, and baijiu would never be served colder than room temperature. Of course, if one were to buy a bottle and privately chill it... --Shannonr 01:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mixed drinks?

Is baijiu ever used in mixed drinks or cocktails? Badagnani 05:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I know of a "maotai cocktail", but I refuse to try it. Sjschen 05:31, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Baijiu doesn't have any "official" mixed drinks, although there does seem to be some experimentation going on at the moment (at least in Beijing and Shanghai, I can't speak for elsewhere in China). --Shannonr 01:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Heavy edit

I've edited the top half of the article (above the "brands" section) fairly heavily for grammar and clarity, removing a lot of redundant phrases. Comments are welcome. --Shannonr 02:09, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Let me explain a little more what I've tried to achieve with the edit:

removal of Chinglish in the "classification" section
removal of redundant phrases and shortening of "flowery" phrasing in the top sections
removal of NPOV statements in the top sections

Hope that makes what I'm trying to achieve clearer! --Shannonr 02:15, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please restore the large areas of text that were removed that are not addressed in the above bulleted points and were not discussed prior to deletion. Badagnani 02:32, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what you mean. Everything I changed is covered by those bullet points, following the Wikipedia:Be bold policy. --Shannonr 02:39, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are probably at least 10 things that were correct in the article, and written in good, clear English, that are not there anymore. It would take me 45 minutes to outline them. Much easier to just restore those, then discuss here. Bold is fine, but so many deletions of correct material isn't really. Badagnani 02:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The rice baijiu wikilink does need to appear in the section on mi xiang-flavored baijiu, because these are the ones that have this flavor characteristic. Badagnani 02:45, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good point re: rice baijiu -- I'll add that back. Almost nothing else has been "removed" except for NPOV statements like "(and potentially dangerous) spirit", redundancies like the second use of the word "potent", and the comments about the serving method being "similar to sake" because that is simply incorrect. Two sections have been substantially rewritten, that is true. Do you think they are less clear now? --Shannonr 02:52, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pinyin?

What does everyone think about the pinyin in the article? I think it should either be on all the Chinese, or on none. At the moment, it looks rather scattergun, but before I do a lot of work on either pulling it all out or adding more, I want to get some opinions. Thoughts? --Shannonr 02:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You can add pinyin. But do not remove the spellings of the brand names, which use the romanizations found on the labels (and thus Internet searches using roman letters). Badagnani 02:30, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you -- brand names are brand names. --Shannonr 02:39, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Photos needed

Wikipedians in China: good photos of representative varieties of baijiu are needed. Badagnani 03:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV (again)

Looks like we're back to the heavily NPOV version of recent memory. Words like "potent" & "dangerous" are (obviously) NOT NPOV. In whose opinion is baijiu "potent"? I personally think that most baijiu is quite weak -- but I wouldn't put that opinion in a wikipedia article. Can I get some consensus for cleaning up the article (again) along NPOV lines? --Shannonr 00:32, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've made the changes required to pull the NPOV language out of the intro. I think these changes also make the intro clearer and it now doesn't repeat itself multiple times. --Shannonr (talk) 13:36, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Taste

There are literally a dozen or more articles in major English-language newspapers commenting negatively on the taste of baijiu. IMO this cleary constitutes notability, and I've re-worded the paragraph to include another cite. Note that because you _disagree_ with a characterization doesn't make the characterization not notable. --Shannonr (talk) 03:54, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sure it's notable, but does it deserve a section heading? It's like haggis having a section dedicated to the fact that it is revolting to non-Scots. I think it deserves a sentence somewhere, but not a section. --Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:03, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just to comment about the taste: It remembers me the taste of what you get at the begining and end of fermented fruit distillation, that are some Alcools and Esters,not kept, bad taste and maybe not potable. Chemical analysis and information on the distillation process could be interresting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.208.49.218 (talk) 12:45, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The paragraph of the taste is insanely western POV. Rubber thinner? Diesel? It would bring more truth if adding description to Beer that it looks like foamed piss, since everybody knows what piss looks like but nobody sane enough has actually tasted diesel, rubber thinner and whatnot. Baijiu, like all other liquor, is an acquired taste. Why should such irrelevant points from people with no idea of the beverage be included here? The more famous maotai won its gold medal at Panama–Pacific International Exposition at San Francisco. It's not like some clueless westerners purchased some bootleg bottles costing only 5 yuans making a judgement.

Locally made bai jiu photos

I just uploaded Bai jiu 1.jpg, Bai jiu 2.jpg and Bai jiu 3.jpg

Please feel free to add one. (Some copy editing to the article referencing the photo may be in order. After all, wine made, bought and consumed from these local businesses account for quite a bit of the Chinese bai jiu market.) --Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:59, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent erguotou photo. What type of baijiu is in the crockery jars? Badagnani (talk) 06:51, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good question. I am actually drinking some of it as I write. Unflavoured I would say. Pretty darn good. You just mentioned erguotou. How did you know I uploaded that? Are you referring to the glass bottle, right? Anyhow, crockery jars. That's the term. Please fix the caption. I keep seeing these fruit flies go past my face. At least I thing they are fruit flies.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:17, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Italics

Why is the first occurrence italics? I can't seem to find the guideline. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:09, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

History

The history section on this article says virtually nothing about the history of Baijiu itself, just the history of alcohol-making in China. Regardless of how long the Chinese have been making alcoholic beverages, Baijiu has been made for less than one thousand years.Sionnach77 (talk) 21:33, 11 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Poor translations

I found that the user Z.ye2 commited very poor translations without any citation. Most of the time, his edits end up being deleted. It might be worthwhile to check the articles he edited.

Here are the affected articles so far (not mentioning the ones for which the edits have been reverted): Sun_Wukong (minor edit), Zhu_Bajie, Baijiu, Beijing_Ducks and Xiaotangshan.

Not sure what action should be taken. Cleanup everything, revert everything, explain to him that's not the way Wikipedia works?

--Neptilo (talk) 21:58, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Fragrances

Since the article says baijiu are grouped primarily by their fragrance, it would be good for the descriptions of types of baijiu to mention the fragrance of each. Colin McLarty (talk) 08:34, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Hilarity

"Baijiu is comparable to whisky in terms of variation, complexity of flavour and sensation." Another hilarious statement from the China portal.

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Phoenix aroma?

The phoenix aroma appears in the list of variants at the top but is not mentioned again. What is that? Maybe something was lost in translation? I happened to find Xifengjiu which translates literally to West Phoenix Liquor so I was wondering if that's it. Gary (talk) 01:56, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]