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This page is a disaster

Sounds to me like someone either from sheffield or niche nightclub, or someone with a jilted view on bassline house and what it is, is wrongly creating and editing this page a LOT. I was the person who wrote the comment below, ending "bassline borrows a lot from the classic speed garage era" because I work with DJ's nightclub owners, CD Pressing companies and artists and producers, and I know this to be true. There needs to be a seperate section for '4x4' or 'bassline' as it is known. Bassline House is a different genre to 'bassline' and this page is all about 'bassline'

I will attempt to get some sources together, but it's incredibly hard, since bassline house is underground, mainly only in west midlands and odd bits from up north, no-one writes articles about it, so its hard to source. Niche is an easy target since theres been stabbings shootings and drug busts and all manner. I would like to help sort this unholy mess out so our genre gets its place on wikipedia as a seperate genre. Buncey uk (talk) 23:44, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Right, this page has now been moved to bassline (dance music) again, so if you can find sources to suggest "bassline house and bassline are separate genres", go ahead and write a separate article. Remember that if no one writes about it, it doesn't belong on wikipedia. Also consider there are 2 sources cited in this article which call this sound "bassline house": [1] and [2], aswell as a few which simply call it bassline, so someone from outside the underground west midlands scene might have been none the wiser about this distinction you speak of. I know well that newspapers like the guardian can make these kinds of mistakes, so articles from places like pitchfork or mixmag which contradict the national press might easily be considered more reliable. - filelake shoe 01:36, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This page reads as if it's been written by a 13 year old, however that's not too surprising when one considers the core audience off this crap. 217.28.34.132 (talk) 19:51, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bad

No way, it was created not in 2002, but at least in 2001 with the release of DJ Narrows' 'Saved Soul' on his Resurrection Label. -- 86.57.254.215 (talk) 17:10, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And it arose from 4x4 grime recordings like 'Saved Soul' (from above), Dynamite MC vs TNT 'Rush the DJ' etc.. -- 195.50.1.122 (talk) 08:05, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry, every time I visit this page I disagree with a good chunk of it. Speed Garage is a genre that originated in sheffield, 2001-2002. Bassline House is a new sound, mainly engineered by people from birmingham until recently. T2, and other songs mentioned are 4x4, which is again a completely different genre. This needs sorting out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.29.89 (talk) 23:36, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

marketingspeak

yuck!

"Bassline music is described as a "new pop mutation". It makes a refreshing debut on the music scene, evoking the abstract, sugar-coated elements that were lacking in the previous UK pop scene. It is characterized as an "intricate sculpting of the b-lines" with its "interweaving of multiple basslines", allowing it to move further than rave music. Bassline takes components from R&B, but evokes a new sentiment. For example, the song "Freak Me"[12] by TRC Ft Screama and Zoe, "transforms the tiresome cliché of love as an 'emotional rollercoaster' into a thrilling amusement park ride." [13]"

this is horribly unencyclopaedic. unless i have any objections i'm removing it soon. --Kaini (talk) 23:41, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree. Also, all you anons moaning about how this page is wrong, find more references, okay? We have about 10 references that say bassline house is from Sheffield, and that Heartbroken is bassline. Your amateur musicological opinions about what makes bassline, speed garage and 4x4 garage so immensely different are useless here, sorry. 212.49.210.38 (talk) 19:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removed text

I went through the article and attempted to remove all the unverifiable content, or at least request references where needed. The following sounds like it could be useful, if a decent reference is found. At the moment it sounds a lot like original research so it stays out.

Bassline house as a name for the genre has caused confusion and misunderstanding over what exactly a 'bassline house' track and what is a 'bassline (4x4)' track. 4x4 bassline is  more similar in tone to UK garage,  grime and dubstep, and is more popular in the north of the UK (Leeds, Sheffield etc). Bassline house is a name that originated in Birmingham, and the overall sound of this music is different. Some describe this as being a brighter, less moody sound. The overall sound of bassline house borrows a lot more heavily from the classic speed garage era.

Mushin ^talk 13:56, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't Bassline House it's all about Niche Nightclub in Sheffield and 4x4x Bassline and NOT BASSLINE HOUSE!! Even in the Artist Section they're all 4x4 Bassline DJ's Producers and vocalists. I have several times removed them from the Artists section and added the real Bassline House DJ'S Producers and Vocalists and Record Labels for some IDIOT to remove it all!! So why have this website as a editor when they have made a basically misunderstanding article about Bassline House so I change it o the correct information and they delete it all whats the point???? Please tell me and I WILL!! be waiting for a reply!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.47.180.251 (talk) 18:42, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, someone needs to take the time to split this into an article on "Bassline/Organ house" and an article on "4x4 Bassline" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.28.34.132 (talk) 12:04, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Genre/subgenre

Bassline, dubstep and grime are all sub-genres of UK garage, hence why they're in the UK garage footer. UK garage as a "genre" is pretty contentious anyway, any musicologist would laugh in our faces. Genres are words like rock & roll, blues, jazz, etc. Examples of sub-genres are death metal, bebop, and bassline house. A better description of bassline might be "music scene" rather than genre. - filelake shoe 17:36, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

bassline was not created in 2002 as i am 16 and remember listening to bassline when i was around 8 years of age and bassline consists of up tempoed dubstep song with different characheristics introuducing themselfs at the every eighth bar i have been djing since i was 11 and got a a* in my gcse results at it so please dont say i am talking rubbish thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.207.209.244 (talk • contribs) 02:10, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

One of the funniest things I've read in a while. 82.36.112.157 (talk) 15:01, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Needs updating

Whilst I dont have any sources to back this up at all, I can say as a young person in south england that bassline definitely seems to be making a comeback, though maybe not in its original form. The niche nights do exist, but I feel like certain songs creep into mainstream clubs later on at night. Just some thoughts — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:388:277:112:0:0:1:8 (talk) 23:19, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Decent RA source

Markowitz, Doug (5 Oct 2023). "A Northern Sound: The Story Behind Bassline's Revival". Resident Advisor. Retrieved 24 October 2023.

– filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 13:33, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

issues

Initial impressions: this article is unencylopedic and repeats itself in several places; it would benefit from being edited for brevity and clarity.

I've never read a piece of music journalism that was as obsessed as this article is with repeatedly classifying genres into binary gender categories, which seems to stem from a subjective assessment of aesthetics rather than objectively describing audience composition. This and other NPOV issues appear throughout.

There's a bit of a grey area when describing the cultural history and historical context of music development, especially in insular underground scenes, and I think including some venue history is valuable. However, there also seems to be a bit too much detail in this area, especially with seemingly contradictory and subjective statements by commercially invested parties on contested subjects (i.e. a promoter museums on the effect of police raids on music sales). That's not history so much as it is color commentary.

As a DJ who collects closely-related genres like UKG and speed garage that are currently experiencing a revival in the UK, US, and elsewhere, the overall clarity and utility here is lacking. SamClayton (talk) 10:28, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]