Talk:Birger Nerman

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October 23, 2020	Good article nominee	Listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on November 10, 2020.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the Swedish archaeologist Birger Nerman excavated a Scandinavian settlement at Grobiņa, Latvia which predates the Viking Age?

A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on August 22, 2023.

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The article on Nerman in Svenskt biografiskt lexikon does not mentioning him teaching as a "temporary professor", or any other kind of professor, in 1917 and 1920, as this article claims. What is "temporary professor" supposed to mean? "Tillförordnad professor"? Either way I can't verify it. He did not become a docent of archaeology until 1919, and a professor only when he got the position in Dorpat in 1923. Olaus 11:27, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In sv:Birger Nerman it says "tillförordnat professor". In the preface to his 1925 book he writes that it is based on lectures for Uppsala students in the fall of 1920 and in spring and fall of 1921. /Pieter Kuiper 11:36, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If no good secondary source supports it, the Swedish Wikipedia is most likely incorrect. He may well have lectured (as a docent) in 1920 and 1921 without holding a professorial appointment. Olaus 14:48, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Birger Nerman/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Joe Roe (talk · contribs) 08:31, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it well written?
A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
Generally clear, encyclopaedia prose. There were some minor grammatical and typographical errors that I've fixed.
B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
Lead: Is incomplete, it should summarise the major elements of his biography in each section. In the first sentence, "author" seems redundant to the scholarly occupations listed first, unless he also wrote non-scholarly works (which the article doesn't mention).

Layout: To conform to the the standard section headings, #Citations → #Notes and #Sources → #References. #Last years and #Personal life are also short and overlapping in content, so they could probably be merged.

Links: A few problems applying MOS:OVERLINK/MOS:UNDERLINK throughout. For example, well known modern countries ("Sweden", "Estonia") shouldn't be links; the occupations in the lead probably should be. There are several direct links to svwiki, which would be more clearly formatted with {{ill}}.
Is it verifiable with no original research?
A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline: , some minor formatting quibbles:
The page numbers in the footnote citations are unnecessary because they refer to the whole work and are given in the full reference.

Access dates aren't needed for either Karling 1971 or Holmqvist 1971; they're both static sources.

The columns in both the citations and references sections are unnecessary because they're quite short.

References in #Selected works are inconsistently formatted (first two are plain text, the rest use templates).
B. All in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines:

C. It contains no original research:

D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
Marginal close paraphrasing of Stjernquist in places, but I'd say nothing unacceptable. There's only so many ways you can rephrase mundane biographical details.
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
There's quite a bit more in the Stjernquist source that could be added. The article currently focuses primarily on his work on the Iron Age, but the sources gives almost equal weight to his early work Stone Age archaeology, his philological research, and his popular science writing.

Baudou alludes to the nationalist motivations behind Nerman's scholarship and political activity, but this is not mentioned.
B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
Is it neutral?
It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
There's unnecessary and unsupported peacock prose throughout, e.g. pioneering research, widespread acclaim, very active, tireless advocate, works of great importance.
Is it stable?
It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions: , but::
The lead image could do with a caption, i.e. stating when it was taken. It would be nice to have more than one image; if more free images of Nerman himself aren't available, maybe related images such as his books, notable collaborators, sites he worked on...?
Overall:
Pass or Fail:
Nearly there, but there are a few problems that need to be address before I'd call it a GA, especially the short lead (1b), somewhat unbalanced coverage and peacock language (3a and 4), and layout and formatting issues (1b and 2a). – Joe (talk) 09:39, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for all of these very useful recommendations. I have now modified the article in accordance with your review. Krakkos (talk) 13:04, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Great! That addressed all my points. I think it's

good to go. – Joe (talk) 13:14, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome! I recently nominated the article on the archaeologist Malcolm Todd for GA, and have updated that article in accordance with the recommendations you made here. Krakkos (talk) 15:54, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 00:54, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Birger Nerman

... that the Swedish archaeologist Birger Nerman excavated a Scandinavian settlement at Grobiņa, Latvia which predates the Viking Age? Source: Stjernquist, Berta [in Swedish] (1987). "Birger Nerman". Svenskt biografiskt lexikon (in Swedish). Vol. 26. p. 528.; Jones, Gwyn (1984). A History of the Vikings (2 ed.). Oxford University Press. pp. 241–243. ISBN 0-19-280134-1.

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Janowiec and Others v. Russia

Improved to Good Article status by Krakkos (talk). Self-nominated at 14:48, 23 October 2020 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Krakkos, I’ve completed this review and I assess that this article and the hook meet or exceed all DYK criteria. The article became a GA on 23 October, so it is new enough. It is well sourced with verifiable references and it is plagiarism-free. The image of Nerman has been released to the Public Domain. The other images in the article are appropriate for use and are licensed CC BY-SA 4.0 and CC BY-SA 3.0. The hook is hooky, I’ve verified its content from a reputable source using Google Translator for Swedish to English. West Virginian (talk) 21:57, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I came by to promote this, but I cannot find the hook fact about predating the Viking Age in the article. Yoninah (talk) 23:44, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yoninah, i have now added the hook fact and an additional source at Birger Nerman. I have also added the source at this nomination page. Krakkos (talk) 09:10, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Restoring tick (for online source) per West Virginian's review. Yoninah (talk) 13:32, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]