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Jesus Link

Has anyone noticed the Jesus Christ/Christian Shephard link? Jesus Christ & the empty tomb; Christian Shephard & the empty coffin --TheRealZajac 09:28, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A Vision, an Apparition, a Ghost....or is he alive again?

This is to avoid a possible edit war. The previous arc say's that he may be a vision, an apparition, a ghost. There is a very real possibility that Christian Shephard is alive again, that he has somehow been restored to life by the island. Vincent the dog saw him...Miles...claire.....Locke all saw him in a physical sense. Again, we don't know the details, but the possibility that he is actually alive again can't be ignored. Whippletheduck (talk) 06:29, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Each of the possibilities in the lead are based on the speculation in the Characteristics section. Each possibility in there has a reference to a reliable resource where someone has made that comment. If you come up with a reference for for that, then add it. Wikipedia doesn't allow original research, so you can't add what you personally theorise. Sanders11 (talk) 12:35, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

and it is totally reasonable, based on the mobepisode where Christian is shown after the Crash; his body not being in the coffin; him being able to interact with and hold his grandson; and being in the cabin with Claire when Locke entered....we can't dismiss the possibility that Christian Shepherd is indeed alive again someone due to the power of the Island for reasons that have yet to be revealed. Whippletheduck (talk) 06:40, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I understand what you're saying, but that's not what wiki is for. We add content that can be verified using a reference. Although you think this is a valid possibility, it is irrelevant until there is something that can be referenced to saying this. The things that happen during the show are stated as they appear in the episode, and if the reader of this article thinks he may be alive, then they can interpret it like that. As it is not stated explicitly in an episode, and you haven't got a reference from a critical review or something, you shouldn't add it. Also the producers have stated that Christian is dead, which is mentioned in the Characteristics section, and I have a feeling the producers have said that once a character dies, they stay dead, although I may be wrong. Sanders11 (talk) 15:32, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I do have a reference point- I mention it in the parts where Miles was able to see Christian. I also mention it that Locke and Claire....It's not a stretch, anymore then claiming he is a ghost, a vision, and thus it becomes less of a stretch that there is the possibility that Christian Shepherd is alive again. What if it turns out he is directly alive when they return to the island? What if, during some point of season 5, that Sawyer and the people remaining on the island actually encounter Christian? Right now, claiming that Christian Shepherd is alive on the island is not any more a stretch then claiming he is a ghost or a vision or whatever. Whippletheduck (talk) 02:00, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well if he is discovered to be alive on the Island in season 5, then it should be added at that point. Sanders11 (talk) 12:22, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

but right now, saying that he has been restored to life is just as verifiable via watching the show as claiming he is a ghost, a phantom, or a vision. Truth be told, saying he is alive is more explainable based on what he has done (ie, directly physically interact with the living, petting the dog or holding his grandson, for example, a phantom or vision could not do that whereas someone that is living can. Whippletheduck (talk) 03:52, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay how about this. I think Christian is a clone. He looks exactly like the original Christian but this one was created on the Island. That would explain why he is present on the Island. Should I add that he might be a clone? No, because that is my own interpretation of what has happened. However should I find a review of "Cabin Fever" where the reviewer states that he or she thinks Christian is a clone, then I can quote that and reference it here, because then it should I am not doing original research. Does that make sense? And all of what you said above can just as easily be explained as an apparition of the smoke monster. Sanders11 (talk) 11:50, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All that I have put into this episode is not out of the realm of possibility. I have it mentioned in the opening paragraph that it is possible he is alive and restored to life by the Island somehow; and then we have when Mile's see's him, I mention the possibility that Christian was there in the flesh and Sawyer just slept thru the encounter. Both are possible. I could dismiss your CLONE part because there has been no evidence of any cloning in the show, so I am not actually putting that much more into it. Whippletheduck (talk) 16:45, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Sanders, I should not be too surprised that you said the CLONE theory, which was dumb but not surprised to see it from a Shii Ann backer. In any case, John Locke's recent return to life from death has shown that it is indeed not just possible but likely that Christian too was restored to live after the crash by the Island Whippletheduck (talk) 16:53, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I never actually thought that he was a clone, it was an example to show that you can't add speculation and original research to an article. Yes the idea that Christian was brought back to life is perfectly plausible, but that is irrelevant, you should only add things like that with a direct reference stating that. And I have no idea what Shii Ann is. Sanders11 (talk) 20:38, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if you didn't REALLY think Christian was a clone, then you should not have posted it, and you sure as hell did above, which quite frankly I called you out on the absurdity of your statement above. Anyhow, with Locke now being restored to life, it is still plausible that Christian too was restored to life, and has been able to 'project' himself ala the way Walt has done on occasion (the whole appearing where he is not supposed to be) at times. For example, he was alive physically when he talked to Vincent the dog and gave him his instructions in that one mobisode. He was there physically when he first encountered Claire and Aaron in the jungle and again when Locke was in Jacob's cabin. He was not there physically, for example when he appears to Jack a few times and then later when he appears to Michael on the freighter.

This show is a mystery, first and foremost. So we have to at times accept that answers are not going to be directly stated and that the creators of the show have been very cryptical of Christian's status. We are allowed to take directly what we see on the show and make postings based on the facts of it; Locke dies off island....Locke is on plane that crashes on island.....Locke is returned to life. So let's see....Christian dies off Island....Christians is on plane that crashes on island....Christian is restored to life. Simple huh? Whippletheduck (talk) 04:12, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, after tonights episode...and based on a few previous ones..... we know that Christian has now been seen/interacted with Sun and Lapidus now. It was one thing when the only ones seeing him were "special" people like Locke, Hurley, Miles and Claire. Now that he he has been seen by those two........well, we still saw enough in Namaste to support that his appearance there, when coupled with the Smoke Monster being in the area, as well as the Whispers....there is evidence there to support that it may have been something supernatural....or do we have enough now to say he has been restored to life? Again, this show is a mystery, they are intentionally being vague on this which makes it so good......Whippletheduck (talk) 05:08, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

His first name

In what episodes is his first name (Christian) used?

-Alex.rosenheim (talk) 15:23, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One of them is All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues. The exact quote is said by a hospital administrator and it's "Okay, thanks Christian. Sorry about this formality." Everyoneandeveryone (talk) 23:05, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

talk with vincent

the page fails to mention that christian tells vincent to go wake up as he has work to do right before the opening scenes of the very first episode —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.181.225 (talk) 03:48, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jack's visitor

It isn't implied that the visitor is Christian, it could also have been Locke, as this was who Hurley was talking about before he told Jack he would be getting a visitor. Anthropomancer (talk) 00:56, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are Original-Christian and Island-Christian the same character?

This article is written as though this is one single character, but with the season five finale in mind there is there not reason enough to separate the two out? The article does not have to definitively state whether or not they are the same, but given they seemingly have entirely different characteristics (beyond sharing the same appearance), the article as it is currently assumes they ARE the same. MultipleTom (talk) 18:22, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We have no solid, reliable, secondary proof that they are two different people. We have people's assumptions (none that I have seen to be reliable though), but there is no proof that they are two different people. --H E L LØ ŦH E R E 18:44, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What I'm saying is that we have no solid, reliable, secondary proof that they are the same singular character. The article should at least be broken down into "his" two distinct incarnations, surely? Now my personal inclination is that Island-Christian is the same character as unLocke and Jacob's friend and the mysterious entity in the cabin, but that's not what I'm asking about here. MultipleTom (talk) 22:45, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Currently this page seems very similar to Locke, and we know for a fact Locke is not the same. So when there is speculation Christian is not the same, why should that be a special case? As I said, I agree, I think he may be FLocke, unLocke, whatever you want to call the Man in Black, but we have no proof. --H E L LØ ŦH E R E 22:55, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]