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Frequently asked questions

Q: There are many "rules" associated with this page. Why?

A: Recent deaths is one of the most-viewed articles in Wikipedia. Deaths in 2023 was one of the most-read Wikipedia articles in 2023, with over 48 million views.[1] It is important that such a high-profile article have factual information presented in a consistent format.

Q: Why are there redlinks or redirects (deceased subject with no Wikipedia article) listed in the article?

A: Many notable people die before a Wikipedia article is written about them. The regular editors of this page have agreed that a death notice without an English-language article may remain for one month after the death, so that an article may develop. If there is no article after one month, then the death notice is removed from the list.

Q: Why is each death sourced by a simple citation only?

A: Each month, over 1000 deaths are reported. If the "cite news" template were used in each entry, the page would be slower to load as each instance of the template is rendered. Editors have decided by consensus to use a simpler cite in the form <ref>[url, title]</ref>.

Q: Why are dead animals sometimes listed in the article?

A: Many animals (like Lonesome George) achieve notability similar to humans during their life. This article reports the death of any notable biological life with its own article, not just humans.

Q: I saw on social media that a notable person has just died. May I add this death to the list?

A: Material about living persons (or recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced is removed immediately and without waiting for discussion (WP:BLP). Blogs and social media sites are generally considered to be unreliable. Every death listed must be supported by a reference from a reliable, independent source.

Q: A new month started five days ago. Why are deaths in the old month still appearing here?

A: It takes some time for deaths to be reported in the media and published here. Editors have agreed to keep the old month listed in the article for seven days after the new month begins. After that time, the "old" deaths are transferred to the article Deaths in <old month name>.

Q: Why is there sometimes a date without entries at the top of the page?

A: A new date is added after a new day starts in the time zone that first starts a new day. A relevant time clock can be found here.

This article has been viewed enough times in a single week to appear in the Top 25 Report 37 times. The weeks in which this happened:

December 31, 2023 to January 6, 2024 (11th)
January 7 to 13, 2024 (9th)
January 14 to 20, 2024 (5th)
January 21 to 27, 2024 (10th)
January 28 to February 3, 2024 (9th)
February 4 to 10, 2024 (7th)
February 11 to 17, 2024 (13th)
February 18 to 24, 2024 (4th)
February 25 to March 2, 2024 (7th)
March 3 to 9, 2024 (7th)
March 10 to 16, 2024 (11th)
March 17 to 23, 2024 (8th)
March 24 to 30, 2024 (10th)
March 31 to April 6, 2024 (6th)
April 7 to 13, 2024 (10th)
April 14 to 20, 2024 (12th)
April 21 to 27, 2024 (7th)
April 28 to May 4, 2024 (5th)
May 5 to 11, 2024 (10th)
May 12 to 18, 2024 (4th)
May 19 to 25, 2024 (3rd)
May 26 to June 1, 2024 (4th)
June 2 to 8, 2024 (8th)
June 9 to 15, 2024 (3rd)
June 16 to 22, 2024 (7th)
June 23 to 29, 2024 (5th)
June 30 to July 6, 2024 (9th)
July 7 to 13, 2024 (8th)
July 14 to 20, 2024 (18th)
July 21 to 27, 2024 (16th)
July 28 to August 3, 2024 (15th)
August 4 to 10, 2024 (16th)
August 11 to 17, 2024 (5th)
August 18 to 24, 2024 (10th)
August 25 to 31, 2024 (3rd)
September 1 to 7, 2024 (4th)
September 8 to 14, 2024 (8th)

Deaths needing proper citation

Via thorough browsing of the 2024 deaths category, I’ve found the following are marked as deceased and needing of proper citation. Rusted AutoParts 13:19, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

January 2 - Larry Sherrer, 74, American football player (Montreal Alouettes, BC Lions) and ophthalmologist (sourced on X)
January 22 - János Toldi, 96, Hungarian Olympic sprint canoer (sourced on Facebook)
January 25 - Rick France, 85, British speedway rider. (sourced on Facebook)
February 2 - Peter Golfinopoulos, 95–96, American artist (sourced on Instagram)
March - Tommy Duncan, 87, Scottish footballer (sourced on X)
April 7 - John Giles, 97, British Olympic shot putter (no source; IP editor proclaiming Giles was their father edited his page to indicate death)
April 14 - Blackie Wangerin, 89, American racecar driver (sourced on Facebook)
April 24 - Erwin Hari, 90, Swiss Olympic cross-country skier (sourced on Facebook)
June 1 – Salvador Miranda, 84, American bibliographer, librarian and church historian (sourced on X)
June 2 – Israel Even-Zahav, 77, Israeli Paralympic athlete (sourced on Facebook)
June 7 - Dolores Cambridge, 87, Australian opera soprano (sourced on Vimeo video link of funeral)
June 27 – Shaun Casey, 70, American model (sourced on Instagram and Facebook)
August 21 - Bradley McStravick, 68, British Olympic decathlete, cycling accident (sourced on Facebook; page also cites an article about a cycling accident as referenced in Facebook post, however McStravick is not mentioned by name in the source)
September 9 – Carlos Bielicki, 84, Argentine chess master (sourced on Facebook)
September 10 – Arthur Edgehill, 98, American jazz drummer (sourced on Facebook here)
September 17 – Jean Roberts, 81, Australian Olympic athlete (sourced on X here)

Question

What is the rule of three? תיל"ם (talk) 10:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The number of credits for a deceased person is limited to three. For example, if a football player has played for 5 clubs in top leagues during his/her career, only three of them are mentioned. Marbe166 (talk) 11:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And to further clarify - total statistical credits (not including other linked offices, positions, awards, etc.) can only add up to three within the whole line for the subject description. For instance, if the subject is a sports player and manager, you could post two team credits as a player and one as a manager, or vice versa, as long as the total equals three maximum. Thanks. Ref ^(chew)(do) 14:45, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I think the reason for this question may be the death of James Darren and his list of three performing credits (currently one as a singer and two as an actor). I fully understand that many (including me) would expect to see The Time Tunnel in the list, but the rule of three means something has to give way - and it's never worth trading edits on this, to be honest. Ref ^(chew)(do) 14:50, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's interesting how these pages have evolved. When I started editing Recent Deaths in 2006, there were no "credits", just entries like "English footballer" or "American politician". It has been interesting to watch the page evolve over time through discussion and consensus, while still maintaining its high standard and readership. WWGB (talk) 04:07, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My go to example when it comes to why Rule of three is employed is when someone such as Stan Lee passes away, the options for what to list are just so massive because he created so much that had different levels of importance to different people. We were able to simply cite Marvel as a whole in his case. But whenever the day comes for a Steven Spielberg or a Stephen King, those are going to be hard one's to pinpoint. Rusted AutoParts 19:26, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Typically you would choose the awarded credits first and then the rest. For Spielberg, its gonna be Saving Private Ryan and Schindler's List because he won Oscars for Best Director (his profession) for those. The 3rd Credit would either go to Band of Brothers, Taken or The Pacific to represent his Emmy. Steven King will be a mess however, because he writes in so many different genres and has won Edgars, Stokers and Hugos...my guess would be Carrie (Hugo), Misery (Stoker) and the Green Mile (Stoker)- although I could understand a case for Salem's Lot being made.Sunny Doo, 16:34, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Title question

Generally, is the current month's deaths article titled as Deaths in Year with a redirect to the other months? I would have thought that Deaths in X would be a list of the articles of Deaths in Month Year, and then the current month would be, for instance, Deaths in September 2024. Granted, it seems that there is no article for just Deaths in 2023 or 2022 or so on, but one article List of deaths by year, so maybe there is no precedent. If there is a precedent for the current styling then I wouldn't argue against it, but I'm not sure how to check that. VETBAITEDLV (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 16:13, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The current month's death entries are indeed always titled "Deaths in Year", but there are no redirects to other months - you will notice that previous months are listed in link form below the list itself and just above the References section. There were at one point articles for "Deaths in 2023" and "Deaths in 2022", plus many other years before, and all following the same format as used in the current year. When the necessary archiving takes place on December 31st each completed year, they are added in monthly link form to the article Lists of deaths by year. The new year is then set out in the format you see for 2024. You are welcome to re-open this discussion of course but I must warn that it has been debated many many times over the years and always resulting in a consensus to keep the current form. Thanks. Ref ^(chew)(do) 20:51, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We might want to add an explanation about this to the FAQ. It's come up a couple times with editors who are not familiar with how these pages are handled, because it is a unique circumstance on Wikipedia. Doc Strange^MailboxLogbook 22:32, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Emi Shinohara

@Rusted AutoParts: I'm pretty sure Project A-ko is also film (a theatrically-released one in fact), and both that and Perfect Blue (where she is #8) are also animated film. You may wanna undo your edit since A-ko has her as #2 in cast list (compared to PB's #8) and she reprised her role in four OVA sequels (compared to PB having no sequels at all). ミラP@Miraclepine 18:43, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This just feels like an argument of semantics. I put up Perfect Blue given it's legacy and notability as a title. Whether someone is placed first, second, twenty second in billing is not really a factor I consider. So long as they're credited and it feels like one of their more notable/highlightable films. Rusted AutoParts 18:52, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Rusted AutoParts: Well, the thing is, I also consider how important their roles are to assure WP:DUEWEIGHT; her PB character Eri isn't even mentioned in the article plot, indicating an incidental nature, while her A-ko character B-ko is generally a deuteragonist. Not every one-off Doctor Who actor needs that show mentioned in their entry. ミラP@Miraclepine 19:37, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't ping me each time, I have the talk page on my watchlist. And again that just feels like semantics. Her primary roles as noted in her article's lead and in obituaries were Sailor Moon and Naruto so those were no-brainers. Perfect Blue has been considered one of the best animated films, not just anime films, ever made. Now it's understandable to have a personal feeling towards their involvement in something you liked. I was really wishing to put Field of Dreams in as a James Earl Jones credit, but I knew ultimately he had more notable credits to his name that merited the spot instead. Given what I've noted on Perfect Blue, it just seemed the more notable credit to use. Rusted AutoParts 19:40, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please update...

September 9, James Earl Jones: please update to read EGOT winner in place of 'Tony winner'. Cheers! Shir-El too 09:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jones has an Honorary Academy Award, so it is not universally accepted that he is a true EGOT winner. WWGB (talk) 10:17, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

HE RECEIVED it. WP must align with FACTS - not bend over backwards to play Caesar's wife. ALL obituary notices I've come across have included the 'EGOT' listing. At the least ADD it to the line! "Mr. Jones collected Tonys, Golden Globes, Emmys, Kennedy Center honors and an honorary Academy Award."[2] Cheers! Shir-El too 12:32, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You get nowhere by SHOUTING (and then becoming "chummy" afterwards). I'd practice your technique in civility if I was you. If an honorary Academy Award does not qualify as part of an EGOT, quoting as many other independent sources as you like cannot change that fact. Thanks. Ref ^(chew)(do) 14:56, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

EGOT is more a status than an physical award anyway. Rusted AutoParts 19:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yves Simoens

There is a difference of opinions whether Yves Simoens was a Biblist or a biblicist. I have no idea, but we should agree on the correct term. WWGB (talk) 11:10, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Priest. Marbe166 (talk) 12:50, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The description already confirms he was a priest. That's not the point to be decided here. (Capitalized) Biblists were exclusively late 19th-century Russians, so it seems unlikely he can be described as belonging to that cadre. (Lower case) biblicism, redirecting back to Biblical literalism, is more accurate in this instance, I think. Ref ^(chew)(do) 13:07, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]