Talk:Duel II

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I think we have a leg to stand on in this since we are mentioned by Greg Lindahl who has put up the PBM page, on WotC's DuelMasters page, and have been around for 20+ years.

You can argue that if Warcraft, Hattrick,other play by mail games and play by email games are in Wikipedia, then Duel2 should too. It is one of the few international PBM games surviving today with a pretty large player base. It is one of the few remaining that have a large player base and has survived the computer/email gaming changes that took place in the last 15 years.

Duel2 has had articles published in Paper Mayhem, Dragon Magazine and maybe Flagship. I need to find the copies and post them.

Slugbaitbike 11:40, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

It's been a long time since I've played any PBMs, but I do remember Flagship being one of the major PBM periodicals - those articles will go a long way towards asserting notability.

You can argue that if Warcraft, Hattrick,other play by mail games and play by email games are in Wikipedia, then Duel2 should too. - You could argue that, however it's not a strong argument - see Wikipedia:Inclusion is not an indicator of notability!

But, like I say, if you can get hold of those articles that should be enough. Marasmusine 13:03, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Marasmusine, got your message on your talk page, figured it probably made more sense to have all the information on here. I have a friend working on pulling the articles that she has. I don't know how long that will take though. Is there a time limit on this so that I know how hard to push her? And, to be sure, after asserting the notability, the rest of the article is fine with the company references, correct? Sorry if this seems dense, but I would like to be sure that we get it right, so everyone can move on to their next project(s). --DaculaDom 13:36, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Technically there's no time limit, so no need to push too hard. Within the next few months or so. If for any reason someone wanted to propose the article for deletion (at, say WP:AFD on the basis of lack of WP:Verifiability or WP:Notability), it might not quite make it in it's current state. However, if this happens, there's no prejudice against recreation once those references turn up (any administrator can undelete.)

Yes, once notability has been asserted, the primary source (the PBM and directly associated webpages) can be used as references (although secondary sources are still preferred).

Good luck! Marasmusine 14:46, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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