Talk:iPhone 11 Pro

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 18:01, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

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• ... that the iPhone 11 Pro is the first iPhone to feature a "Pro" designation, which was previously only reserved for larger Apple devices (such as the iPad Pro)?

• reviewed: Exempt- fewer than 5 DYK credits (this is my 4th DYK)
• Comment: As of now, the XTools article info says I wrote 50.6% of the article. I wrote the hook.

5x expanded by Taewangkorea (talk). Self-nominated at 21:47, 11 September 2019 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Good to go. Congrats on one of your first DYKs. Current merge proposal does not affect the DYK; oppose consensus forming anyway. Ergo Sum 00:15, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this, but noted two paragraphs that lack citations per Rule D2. I also removed the example of the iPad Pro from the hook and article because it is not in the source. In general, we don't put examples in parentheses in the hook. Yoninah (talk) 20:57, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: I have added citations to those, and also removed some promotional language from the article. Taewangkorea (talk) 15:34, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

• Thank you. Restoring tick per Ergo Sum's review. Yoninah (talk) 18:00, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

References

Timeline

I don't believe that the timeline is very helpful because you can't see over half of it. What should be done regarding this? Thanks, EDG 543 (talk) 13:37, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

• Maybe because it is on basically every iPhone article, it may be moved into History of iPhone Taewangkorea (talk) 04:11, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Perhaps a discussion may be held (maybe an RfC, but I do not know how to apply one RfC into many articles) Taewangkorea (talk) 04:36, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

• Same problem -- I have to widen my window and keep moving it left so that the entire window is wider than my screen in order to see 2016 on. --valereee (talk) 11:32, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

4 meters of water resistance?

GSMArena's specifications claim, that the device has four meters of water resistance depth for 30 minutes.

• Did Apple claim themselves that the iPhone 11 Pro is water resistant up to 4 meters for half an hour?
• Has it already been verified?
• How come the iPhone 11 only resists up to 2 meters of depth and the 11 pro up to 4 meters? Why not both the same depth?
• Why don't other manufacturers do it too? (According to GSMArena, the S10 is still where the S7 is: 1.5 meters. If that is true, admittedly others are far behind in that regard).

––Handroid7 (talk) 21:23, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Handroid7, The iPhone 11 is Apple's budget phone, therefore the 11 Pro will have better features such as cameras, displays, etc, and it would make sense for it to also have better water resistance. Apple has claimed that the phone is water-resistant at a depth of 4m, so although it hasn't been verified, it is likely to be true. Apple's phones usually surpass their rating, so the water resistance may have been changed to reflect this. As for other manufacturers, they don't have the same technology Apple has to get this rating. ClueCog (talk) 08:19, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

@ClueCog: I see. Thank you for your reply. That makes sense. ––Handroid7 (talk) 12:26, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

“[…]they don't have the same technology Apple has to get this rating.” – Ironically, Apple joined the water-resistant mobile phones relatively late (2016), while other manufacturers such as Sony and Samsung had already been doing it for years. That's a bit odd if they once have been delaying the implementation of water resistance by many years, and now they are actually ahead in that regard. --Handroid7 (talk) 12:26, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

4GB or 6GB of RAM?

Some sites says that the IPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max has 4GB of RAM and benchmarks as well, while others suggests it has 6GB of RAM, which one of these should we list on specs? GylonV (talk) 11:25, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

None of the sources I saw mentions 6GB so I removed it from the article. Taewangkorea (talk) 15:34, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Slogan

I'm not sure about the iPhone 11 Pro's slogan. On the home pages of the websites of Apple and Sprint, it says: "Pro Cameras, Pro Display, Pro Performance", but on the iPhone 11 Pro "learn more" page on Apple's site, it says "And then there was Pro". So I think we should use both, like we're doing on the iPhone 6's page. JdRDMS — Preceding unsigned comment added by JdRDMS (talk • contribs) 19:38, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Spam refs

The vodaphone and T-mobile refs are spam, but they've broken the actual :0 and :1 refs. Needs fixing, but someone with less rusty tools & ref skills than me required. Clappingsimon (talk) 03:27, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:IPhone 11 Pro/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Aza24 (talk · contribs) 22:11, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi! I'll be taking a look at your article. In order to be super thorough, I may give specific feedback somewhat slowly, throughout the next couple of days. But this is only to make sure there is no doubt that your article meets the good criteria! Aza24 (talk) 22:11, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@Taewangkorea: Below I left some initial comments, I need your responses to most of them in order to look at some sections more specifically. I apologize for the delay, irl issues have gotten in the way.

Lead

Suggestions based on checking out the leads of other iPhone articles that are rated "good" status: (iPhone 5 and iPhone 4S specifically)

What you have in the lead so far looks really good, the main issue I have found is the stuff you don't have in the lead, as in, in needs some expansion.

• After what you have so far, consider summarizing the initial sales and public reception in a good paragraph,

• Similar to the size of the paragraphs already there. Similar to the last paragraphs in the leads of iPhone 5 and iPhone 4S, consider summarizing the differences between 11 Pro/11 Pro Max against the iPhone 11. And then concluding with what IOS iPhone 11 supports as of now. Aza24 (talk) 23:43, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

History

Given that this is a relatively new product, the length of the history section makes sense, as there quite literally isn't much history since the release.

• Consider splitting up the first line into two sentences, the current sentence is quite long.

• Official release event invites sent out to press featured layered colored glass elements organized to form the Apple logo... this line doesn't really make sense to me, the "layered colored glass elements part especially specifically." Additionally, you could perhaps consider splitting up this rather lengthy line as well? Aza24 (talk) 23:43, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

• Consider adding a short section on "Production" with the costs and comparisons to the cost of maybe the iPhone 11, like the section in the iPhone 5 article. (Under production) What do you think about this idea? Aza24 (talk) 23:43, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Design

This section is super solid. Aza24 (talk) 23:43, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Hardware

It seems like you're only listing the hardware changes of this phone, rather than the hardware specifications, is this the case? Because otherwise I could expect to see things about the microphone, speaker or charging. Aza24 (talk) 23:43, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Display

This section looks good. Aza24 (talk) 07:26, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Camera

• Can some of the sources be me spread out in the first paragraph? Aza24 (talk) 23:43, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

• Are there any differences or specifications about the back camera you could put? Aza24 (talk) 07:26, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Software

• Same as the camera section, can the sources be more spread out? Aza24 (talk) 23:43, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Reception

• What about reception in terms of sales? Aza24 (talk) 07:26, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Known issues

• Is this really the only known issue? The phone has been out for almost half a year now, I feel like there might be more out there.

References

References seem good for now, I'll take a closer look at them further down the GA process.

General

• This article seems too short in general. While the iphone is a newer one, most of the sections could use expansion. Especially the history and reception sections.
• Please consider adding a production section.
• Could use 2 or 3 more images for sure.
• Can you attribute any of the design changes to specific people? A lot of the other iPhones talk about the "new display by John Smith"

Note: Please add a succession box like the one below:

GA criteria

After 20+ days with no response from the nominator, I have no choice but to fail this.

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Proposal: Remove time line and start to add enviromental data and reparibility information

Hey folks, there‘s something that bugs me significantly: we keep adding all this context information that is much better placed in the general iPhone page while totally ignoring enviromental data and repairibility. As an open community shouldn‘t we focus also how Apple limits repairs. I think that‘s a discussion worth to have :=)Fthobe (talk) 10:39, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Apple device update policy

hey @Creffett:, while I hate to see my work going, I agree with you! Never the less I’d like to see it somewhere finding a place in the article, because I feel the long support with updates is a valuable thing to know. We could reference a table like the one in the link below, what do you think? https://img.tuttoandroid.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/meltita.jpg?_gl=1*1mza14f*_ga*UndJNkV3TWljRXhreXgwU0xJSWJyNUdWRDZsLUFpd2otU05ldHhtUDlDMnBka095V05YXzZBMzlRZEdFTHZNcA.. Fthobe (talk) 08:22, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Fthobe, that might work, though I'm unsure whether tuttoandroid will meet our definition of a reliable source or whether the details of the support timeline have received enough coverage to be worth adding to the article. When adding content, we need to make sure that the content is given due weight, and I feel like the details of expected support timeline might be undue as more trivia than encyclopedic fact. However, I don't know what the community norms are for the level of detail in cell phone articles, so please take whatever I say with a grain of salt, and I think WP:WikiProject Telecommunications would be a good place to ask questions if you want a second opinon. creffett (talk) 15:37, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Split into iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max?

Despite both being the first iPhones given the title "Pro", the two phones are different enough that each deserves it's own article. If the iPhone 5C gets it's own article despite being an experimental phone with the main phone being the iPhone 5S, the 11 Pro Max should also get it's own article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by UltraUsurper (talk • contribs) 11:35, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

"IPhone Pro" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect IPhone Pro. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 October 26#IPhone Pro until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 22:10, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

WPA 3 available with iOS 13

WLAN Security improved with iOS 13

See https://support.apple.com/de-de/guide/security/sec8a67fa93d/web