Talk:Junior (education year)

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Totally American centric

This "article" is completely lacking in any international outlook & describes only the narrow American use of the term Junior. 2.29.246.5 (talk) 09:39, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

The problem is that the article's topic is specifically this meaning, but the title doesn't accurately reflect this. As such, I've requested a move. — Smjg (talk) 23:53, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 23 May 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Junior (education year). The nominator is unsure which title is the best, and despite three relists and a WikiProject reminder, only one other participant turned up to provide yet another title suggestion. This is a WP:NOGOODOPTIONS situation.

However, from what both participants have said and the concerns raised in the "Totally American-centric" section of this talk page, the current name is too ambiguous to keep on using. As such, we must pick one of the suggestions instead. Of these, I will provisionally pick Junior (education year) on precision grounds as it best embodies the scope of this article (a specific year of education at a higher-level school).

A new RM can be opened later if anyone has any better ideas. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 06:05, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

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Junior (education) → ? – The current title is an incomplete disambiguation. There are multiple meanings of "junior" in the context of education:

1. A third-year student at high school or university (seems to be specific to the US or at least to the US and Canada).
2. A stage of overall schooling, as defined by the schooling systems of various countries and parts thereof, hence junior school.
3. A younger or lower-ranked pupil at a school. My secondary school had a rank system whereby pupils were (put simply) classed as juniors, middles, seniors or prefects. Pupils progressed through the ranks as they progressed through the year groups, more or less, though for some of my time there pupils were promoted on the basis of merit and not just age. In my later years at that school, the rank system was apparently abolished (save for the special prefect status), though the school added younger year groups and created a "junior department" for the teaching of these.

As it stands, this article is purely about definition 1. As you see, this sense is specific to a small part of the world, and in any case disambiguated titles should not be still ambiguous.

But I'm not sure what the best new title would be. I see from here and Junior school that Canada has both definitions 1 and 2? So what would be a good title? Junior (United States and Canada)? Junior (North American education)? Hmm.... — Smjg (talk) 23:43, 23 May 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 00:33, 31 May 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 05:11, 7 June 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 05:14, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Education has been notified of this discussion. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 00:33, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

• Comment "Junior (education year)" perhaps? Because anyone younger is also a junior, just less formally -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 04:10, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Not necessarily the third year

The lede describes the junior year as the third year, however, that depends on the local grade structure. This was particularly different a few decades ago when High School was commonly only 10th, 11th, and 12th grades (9th grade being part of "Junior High" before the Middle School structure became common). In 3-year High Schools, the junior year is the second year (Freshman, Junior, Senior for 10th, 11th, 12th grades, respectively). Perhaps a better description would be that the junior year is the penultimate year as that is fairly consistent regardless of how many grades per school level. — al-Shimoni (talk) 10:35, 26 December 2022 (UTC)