Talk:Kanaiyalal Maneklal Munshi

Requesting consensus to move to new page

Reason: Incorrect spelling "Kanhaiyalal" instead of "Kanayalal".
Proposal: Move page to either "K.M. Munshi" (currently a redirect page) or to a new page "Kanayalal Munshi" or new page "Kanayalal Maneklal Munshi".
Centaur81 (talk) 17:39, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi again Centaur81! I had a little search for sources, and it seems that "Kanaiyalal Maneklal Munshi" is the most common English spelling (see this Google Books search for example). I see that "K. M. Munshi" is also very popular, maybe cropping up 50% of the time. Based on this evidence I would say that we should move the page to "Kanaiyalal Maneklal Munshi" and keep "K. M. Munshi" as a redirect. Would you agree with this? — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 05:04, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Mr. Stradivarius. Looks like 'my' spelling was incorrect too and I did a little research myself and found that "Kanaiyalal Maneklal Munshi" is indeed the correct spelling. The source is an extremely reliable one: his novel Krishnavatara. The back flap of the dust cover of one of the volumes (the work is in 7 volumes), has a short bio and his name is mentioned as "Kanaiyalal Maneklal Munshi" (I shall cite it on the main page). I had made an incorrect change to the name on the article page and I shall make the correction right away. My apologies. I don't mind moving the page to "Kanaiyalal Maneklal Munshi" or perhaps just "Kanaiyalal Munshi" keeping "K.M. Munshi" as a redirect. I'm also going to rewirte and expand the introduction a bit (maybe with an annexture). I shall post it here first before changing the existing one. Centaur81 (talk) 06:14, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

I've done the page move for you. — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 07:04, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, Mr. Stradivarius. Appreciate your help on this. A small contribution to making Wikipedia better with correct and authentic information, I say. Centaur81 (talk) 07:07, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Proposed New introduction

Kanaiyalal Maneklal Munshi's versatility and achievements are unique. He was an eminent lawyer, one of the framers of India's Constitution and a seasoned statesman. Coming under the inspiring influence of Sri Aurobindo during his student days, Munshi had been an ardent fighter for India's freedom, working at different stages in close association with Mohammed Ali Jinnah, Lokmanya Tilak, Annie Besant, Mahatma Gandhi, Sardar Patel and Pandit Nehru. His achievements as Home Minister of Bombay in 1937, as India's Agent-General in Hyderabad before the Police Action, as India's Food Minister and as Governor of Uttar Pradesh have been characterized by rare courage and decisive energy.

Acknowledged as the foremost writer in Gujarati literature, he has to his credit a vast and varied literature including novels, dramas, memoirs and history in Gujarati, as also several historical and other works in English.
Centaur81 (talk) 06:48, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm not so sure about this. You need to be very careful to provide a neutral point of view in your editing. "His versatility and achievements are unique" seems like it's just praising him, but without actually saying anything about what he did. We really don't need words like "inspiring", "ardent", "rare courage" or "decisive energy". He seems like an important and remarkable person, and his achievements should speak for themselves. We don't need to try and make them sound better through flowery language. See WP:NPOV for the neutral point of view policy, and also see WP:WORDS for some words to avoid when editing. All the best. — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 07:10, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

A revision of the intro I have proposed is not possible. Trouble is, I don't have sources to cite as of now. The intro may not reflect a "neutral point of view" but I think it is important (and Wikipedia does allow disputed points of view, with a tag). Interested people will find out for themselves as they do their own research. Surely, Wikipedia is not the only "reliable" source that people seek. Maybe we can tag the page with the POV or Unbalanced tag. Centaur81 (talk) 07:36, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

No, no, you have it the wrong way round - Wikipedia does not allow points of view that aren't neutral. The tags are for when editors find a page that violates Wikipedia policies and they don't have the time or the expertise to fix it. You can't use a tag as an excuse to make biased edits. The article is definitely suffering from a lack of sources - finding sources should be the first thing we do to improve it. — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 07:53, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

I stand corrected. Centaur81 (talk) 08:02, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Disputed non-free use rationale for File:Master Tara Singh, Kanaiyalal Munshi, and Chakravarti Rajagopalachari at conference.jpg

Please see discussion on File talk:Master Tara Singh, Kanaiyalal Munshi, and Chakravarti Rajagopalachari at conference.jpg Centaur81 (talk) 08:27, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Useful source (Reliability ?)

• Kikani, Parth (2017). A Life Lived from Centre to Circumference: A Comparative Study of the Autobiographies of M. C. Chagla, Nayantara Sahgal and K. M. Munshi (PhD thesis). Department of English & Comparative Literary Studies, Saurashtra University.

--Gazal world (talk) 21:03, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Making article good

Hi @Nizil Shah and Gazal world: I want to take this article at good article. I need few sources especially those which can provide info about his literary and academic career and his works as educationalist. Can you please help me in it?— Harshil ^{want to talk?} 11:25, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

The most reliable source I found is K. M. Munshi ('Builders of Modern India' series) by V. B. Kulkarni. There is another two books which I can access; (1) Munshi, Self-Sculptor by Jayana Sheth & (2) Struggle for Independence : Indian freedom fighters. Vol. 34, K.M. Munshi by S. R. Bakshi. If you want anything from the later two, you will have to request it at WP:RX, and I will pick up the request. Please ask for specific pages/portion at RX, not full book. --Gazal world (talk) 12:43, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

And if you are not sure what to request, I will send you the index of both books. So you can get the idea what to request at RX. --Gazal world (talk) 12:48, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

You may expand the article. I will help and guild you wherever needed. -Nizil (talk) 06:02, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

@Brihaspati:, I found a book with about 10 pages on his literary career and its criticism in Gujarati. I can send scans of them via email. -Nizil (talk) 14:57, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: sure.— Brihaspati (talk) 16:01, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Post-independence India

Hi@Newslinger: Is your tag for verification of source in context with Somnath reconstruction? If yes, I guess these two sources would suffice? Thanks Santoshdts (talk) 07:42, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Santoshdts, thank you for providing these sources. I had cited Gabriel's A Silence In The City And Other Stories since it was the same source used in the Somnath temple article, but I wasn't able to verify the citation because Google Books only offers limited access to the book. The sources you provided look good. The article from The Indian Express is a strong source, especially since it explicitly mentions Patel's death in 1950 as claimed in the article. The article from ThePrint is a little bit weaker, since it's an opinion piece written by a Distinguished Fellow of a think tank, but it's okay. I've cited both of the articles you provided, and removed the {{Verify source}} tag. Cheers! — Newslinger talk 08:00, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Newslinger: That's great, thanks for adding Santoshdts (talk) 08:08, 14 April 2020 (UTC)