Talk:Laird Cregar

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Birth/death dates make Cregar 30 at death; age of death in article - 28 Wacked 00:43, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Year of birth and age

It’s a bit of a mess at the moment. We say he was born in 1913 and died in 1944, aged 29, which is mathematically impossible. Other sites give 1914 and 1916 as his birth year. The possibilites are these:

• born 1913 and died aged 31
• born 1914 and died aged 30
• born 1916 and died aged 28.

The only way he could have been 29 was to have been born in 1915, which I haven’t seen any source for at all.

What was his true year of birth? Is there a birth certificate? -- JackofOz (talk) 01:28, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

• There seems to be a lot of confusion about it on the web and google books, but his gravestone says 1914-1944. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel (talk) 17:05, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Excellent. While not conclusive, that's pretty good evidence of his birth year. Thanks. -- JackofOz (talk) 22:56, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it seems to be a memorial stone rather than a gravestone so he was presumably cremated. I have to admit I thought he looked older than 27-28 when he was in Blood and Sand and the Black Swan- although maybe this is just because of his size? I originally thought he was in his late 30s/early 40s. I suppose the only way to know for sure is to find a birth/baptism certificate or family papers? His father was born 1868 and died in 1916. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel (talk) 23:20, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

This genealogy of the Nicola family would seem to confirm the 1914 birthdate- the 1920 census shows Samuel L Cregar aged 6, the youngest of 6 brothers, sons of Elizabeth B and the deceased Edward M(atthews) Cregar, a merchant tailor. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel (talk) 23:26, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

He was born 28 July, so it would depend whether the 1920 census was conducted before or after 28 July. In isolation, the census info could support a 1913 birth year. But added to the memorial stone evidence, I'm satisfied you've nailed it down to 1914. Great work. -- JackofOz (talk) 23:36, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Damn you confused things again! You are absolutely right to point that out- the 1920 census was held in January and the 1930 census was held in April so if the ages given on the 1920 and 1930 census were correct (6 and 16) the 1913 date must in fact be the right one! Gustav von Humpelschmumpel (talk) 16:30, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Hence the date on the memorial stone is incorrect. He does seem a slippery character, doesn't he. -- JackofOz (talk) 22:21, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I feel the need to emphasise the evidence here which shows Laird's true date of birth: 28th July 1913. Somebody keeps changing his year of birth to 1916. To the person who is doing this, here is solid evidence that Laird was indeed born in 1913. The reason his obituary says he was 28 is because in those days actors would, more often than not, knock a few years off their real birthdate so as to appear younger than they actually were. When they died, newspapers, being none-the-wiser, would often refer to their false age (an unrelated example is actor Cornel Wilde; when he died, newspapers said he was 74 when he was in fact 77). It seems most likely that the newspapers were misinformed or that Laird himself conveniently shaved a few years off his real birthyear (this doesn't seem unlikely, considering how image-conscious he was). It is definitely worth reading the articles which these other users have very generously provided for us. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.18.226.179 (talk) 01:10, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

I would not have thought Mr. Cregar would need to have years shaved off his birthdate. But I'll stop pressing the point. Stolengood (talk) 01:59, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

LGBT?

I've removed the text about Cregar's sexuality. Besides being inappropriate in tone, I can find no sources to back up the claim that he wore dresses to awards ceremonies and/or was "flamboyant and proud". If reliable sources can be found to back up that info, please re-add. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 06:50, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

There's no harm in mentioning he was gay. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 18:49, 1 September 2010 (UTC) Unless he wasn't! No reliable evidence this guy was queer at all, just a bunch of rumors spread around after he was dead.

George Harvey Bone

According to the supplemental material on the DVD, Cregar was not assigned this role -- he found the novel and brought it to Fox's attention. It is also claimed that he wanted to play some of his own music, and was apparently offended that Bernard Herrmann wrote the film's music. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 18:49, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Radio

In 1943, Cregar played the role of Casper Gutman in Lux Radio Theatre's adaptation of "The Maltese Falcon," which starred Edward G. Robinson as Sam Spade. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.55.225.255 (talk) 22:33, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Request edit

In reference to the Hedgerow Players being in Germantown, Pennsylvania I would point out that Germantown is just a neighborhood in Philadelphia Pennsylvania and not a city of its own. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.161.116.168 (talk) 05:23, 8 January 2022 (UTC)