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Disney ABC Press

Just a heads up that, for some reason, Disney ABC Press is stating that the season two premiere is October 24. That is clearly wrong as The Futon Critic and Zap2it as well as the promo commercial all say October 27. Amaury (talk | contribs) 14:38, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Zap2it has an episode scheduled for October 24, but that is very likely wrong and is likely November 24 per K.C. Undercover's November schedule. However, for now, we must report what's on Zap2it. Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:54, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Production code 202

We have two episodes with this production code being reported by Disney ABC Press, and while these episodes are also listed on The Futon Critic, they currently have no production codes listed in parentheses there. The two episodes are "Chinese New Year" and "Mama." Obviously, two episodes can't have the same production code, so considering the fact that Andi Mack is a series that airs in chronological order and that the Wikia page, which I know we can't use—just saying—has 204 listed for "Mama," I'm more than willing to bet that "Mama" is 204, but without a production cods listed on The Futon Critic and no way to source it, we must currently list what is being reported. Just mentioning this in case IPs come in and try to change it. Pinging Geraldo Perez, MPFitz1968, IJBall, and Nyuszika7H. Amaury (talk | contribs) 00:48, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Conflicting info? I'd list a prod. code for neither episode right now. It'd probably be best to leave a hidden note about this... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:55, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
I agree with IJBall. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:54, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, it's annoying, production codes are often a mess with conflicting info for Disney/Nick shows... It's not a reliable source since it's user-edited, but TheTVDB has 113/201 for the season 2 premiere and matching the episode numbers for the ones after that. And Wikia has "113/201/2-99" for the season 2 premiere (what?) nyuszika7h (talk) 17:59, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
Geraldo Perez, IJBall, and Nyuszika7H: Just an update that they've been fixed on Disney ABC Press. Don't know if today, but I just checked and they were changed. Amaury (talk | contribs) 02:02, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
Incidentally, this really is a show that doesn't need the prod. codes column – so far every episode has aired in production order, and it doesn't look like that's likely to change... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:52, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

"Guest stars" and "Absent" listings

I made an edit removing the listing of "Absent" stars from episodes they weren't in, but it was reverted with the reason that I needed to get consensus before making such change. (Per WP:BRD, consensus isn't required *before* making any sort of change, though it's probably good to get it if it's potentially controversial – and definitely a good idea after someone reverts it, as in this case.)

Anyway, a character/actress being absent from an episode isn't really noteworthy. I've never seen any episode listing on Wikipedia include a list of the characters that weren't in it; if anything, it'd only be noteworthy if that character was in every episode of a long-running series except one. Also, the recurring characters that appear regularly (Ham, Bowie, and Amber) don't really need to be specifically listed under each episode they're in; they're already in the Andi Mack article under the recurring cast list (and again, I've never seen any other episode listing on Wikipedia do this). It's especially unnecessary since the characters are mentioned in the plot summaries of those episodes.

Thoughts? V2Blast (talk) 01:49, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Listing guest stars that are credited as such is something readily verifiable that doesn't require evaluation of importance, just extract the guest star info from the credits. Who the guest stars are is usually notable. The issue of listing absences is related to listing guest stars. The principal cast characters are in the opening credits and are presumed to be in every episode so when they are not it is noted. Between the guest stars being listed and the main cast absences noted we get who the notable actors are who appeared in the episode. Other articles may do it differently using parenthetical actor names when the character is in the summary but it should be consistent within a given article. One way we populate recurring cast lists is to look at who was guest starring in episodes a significant amount of time. Absent that it is difficult to verify if an actor does recur. The only real issue of listing absences is that it requires evaluation of the episode looking for absences as that is not in the credit info so is hard, but not impossible, to verify independently. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:11, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
Also see WP:READERSFIRST, an essay. It's not a policy or guideline, but if there is clear reader interest, which is the case with these, then we should give our readers what they want, within reason, and this has been "standard practice" for a long time. Notes like "in X episode, Y's voice got deeper due to puberty" are trivial and irrelevant, and we shouldn't include them even if readers express interest in it. We know that teenagers go through puberty and can figure it out ourselves why someone may sound different in a later season or episode. Hardcore trivia is appropriate at the Wikias, but these aren't trivia. As long it doesn't go against our policies and guidelines, there is no problem. As Geraldo said, by series' standards, main cast members are present for all episodes as they are in the opening credits sequence for all episodes, and what we're documenting are their absences in acting in the episode. Regardless of whether or not they're there, they still get paid all the same as that is a benefit of being a main cast member. Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:09, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
Yes, this has been discussed at a few other articles before. In the case of Disney and Nickelodeon live-action shows, at least, there definitely isn't a bunch of non-notable characters credited as guest stars. Occasionally we get unnamed characters as guest stars, but insignificant characters are generally listed as co-stars, which we do not include. (Since we list the guest stars per credits rather than press releases, we can't just exclude characters we deem insignificant, that would be original research.) For other shows (especially animated ones), there may be too many guest stars to list under every episode, so we do rely on external sources to establish notability. Absences are a bit problematic as you have to watch the entire episode to verify them, since these shows pretty much always credit every main cast member that ever appears in the current season in the opening credits. nyuszika7h (talk) 10:43, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

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Head Over Heels - different air dates

Zap2it reports January 12, 2018 as the air date for "Head Over Heels" ([1]), while Disney ABC Press reports January 15 ([2]). Not sure which one is correct. A K.C. Undercover episode, "Second Chances", is slated for January 15. Checking the schedules for Stuck in the Middle and Bizaardvark, they show nothing for either of those dates (new episodes of SITM are scheduled in January, while Bizaardvark has nothing in January). As there appears to be nothing else on the 12th, outside of K.C. Undercover, it's possible that date may be wrong. Also, the 15th is a US holiday - Martin Luther King Jr. Day - so that sounds plausible for episode premieres, too. But again, two of our reliable sources saying two different things. MPFitz1968 (talk) 04:52, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968: Leave as the 12th for now. If it doesn't happen or The Futon Critic updates with Disney Channel's January schedule by then, it can be changed. Zombies might be premiering on January 12, making it the lead-in to Andi Mack. Amaury (talk | contribs) 05:51, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
@MPFitz1968: So we've got this. Problem is there's no episode title, so we can't say for sure if it's "Head Over Heels" or not. Amaury (talk | contribs) 02:02, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
@MPFitz1968: This doesn't change what I said before about waiting for January 12, and if no new episode airs then, then we change it accordingly, like we did when there was that whole scheduling fiasco with Nickelodeon in 2015. See Talk:List of Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn episodes#New Episodes for more information. However, now things are more complicated as The Futon Critic has updated, and look at what it has for "Head Over Heels." I'll ping Geraldo Perez and IJBall as well in case they have any feedback in addition to what I've said. On another note, The Futon Critic also finally has production codes for all of the episodes that have aired thus far, which unfortunately doesn't help us, though it does seem to show that #205 will be aired out of production order, unless The Futon Critic is just getting their production codes from Disney ABC Press. Previously, "The Snorpion" was #205 and "I Wanna Hold Your Wristband" was #206. Ugh. What a mess for Andi Mack season two with regard to production codes. Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:18, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
The promo commercial is now saying that it returns Monday, January 15. The "problem" that I mentioned in my second reply here, though, remains. We don't know which episode will be on January 15. Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:56, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
@Amaury: I'm reading the current TV listings for January 12 (Friday), which I'm looking at in Zap2it, and it shows that Disney Channel is scheduled to run Another Cinderella Story and A Cinderella Story: If the Shoe Fits during the evening (7:00 to 10:20pm US Eastern time, then repeating both movies right after that), so not looking likely that the "Head over Heels" episode will air that night, despite Zap2it contending January 12 will be when it airs. The "Upcoming Episodes" listing for Andi Mack shows the next time that episode will air (or, likely, the first time) is January 15 at 8:00pm US Eastern time. MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:57, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
@MPFitz1968: Hm. That's probably enough reason to change it, despite what even The Futon Critic shows, where both the 12th and the 15th are listed, but the 15th is stricken out. IJBall, what do you think? Enough reason to change it or wait until the 12th passes as anything could change between now and then? Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:13, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
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