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Dalek clip 2005-May-19

Was the Dalek clip in the end montage definitely from Destiny of the Daleks? I've just watched it, and it looks more like it's from Death to the Daleks to me. --DaveJB 17:22, 19 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's from Destiny. Episode four, I believe. This is referenced in The Television Companion and the Fourth Doctor Handbook (both by David J Howe, et al.) and on the Outpost Gallifrey episode guide page and the "Brief History of Time (Travel)" website. --khaosworks 21:30, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

Part 4's End Credits

In the Trivia section I've noticed that it is stated that Peter Davison gets credited before Tom Baker. This is not accurate and I recommend that this gets edited to keep all information about Doctor Who correct.

- Alan

Watcher

Was the Watcher played by Davison? Kuralyov 18:51, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nope — it was Adrian Gibbs, uncredited. (See here.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 20:06, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just one addition to Josiah's note that may explain what Kuralyov was remembering. Josiah is correct that Gibbs had played the Watcher throughout the serial. However, during the regeneration scene we first see Baker lying on the ground. He then begins to merge with the Watcher. We then see Gibbs face in the white makeup of the Watcher. Then, for a brief moment, we see Davison's face in the same white makeup and then we see him without the makeup just before he rises up on his elbows. I don't mean to speak for Kuralyov (and apologies for doing so) but if this is what you are remembering then, technically, you could say that Davison did play the Watcher for just a moment at the end of episode four. I hope this is of some help.MarnetteD | Talk 16:02, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But, "He (The Watcher) was the Doctor all the time!" Format (talk) 08:03, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Emboitment"

I vaguely remember this serial from my youth, particularly the computer-geekery about it. One of the key plot elements is a "charged vacuum emboitment"; what is an "emoitment"? The vast majority of Google returns point to Logopolis, and there are a few academic references to the theories of Charles Bonnet, but what does the word mean? What kind of heady mathematical alcohol was Bidmead drinking at the time? Is this the most hard science sci-fi ever broadcast on BBC1 of a Saturday teatime? -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 14:22, 14 September 2008 (UTC

I always heard it as envoidment which has the virtue of a. being right, and b. making more sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.213.142.170 (talk) 20:56, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The word is definitely "emboitment" in the scripts and in the novelisations of Full Circle, Warrior's Gate, and Logopolis.

It's an obscure and archaic term borrowed from French, which means roughly the same thing as "embedding". Putting Russian dolls inside other Russian dolls is emboitment. The only scientific use of the term comes from the 19th century revision of preformationism to account for cell theory. The idea is that every sperm cell carries within it an animacule that has sperm or eggs within it, and so on infinitely down the chain.

It's explained a little but in Bidmead's notes, and in Andrew Smith's audio sequel to the E-Space trilogy decades later for Big Finish, but the explanation is scientific nonsense, and it still isn't clear why it's called an "emboitment".

It's a little strange that Bidmead, the prime advocate for a hard SF approach to Doctor Who, would borrow a term from an obsolete and discredited scientific theory, port it in a completely different context where its meaning can only be guessed by analogy, and then have that meaning turn out to be nonsense. --50.0.128.86 (talk) 09:48, 11 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Doctor

Should I add The Watcher,since he is technically the 5th incarnation of the Doctor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.49.42.137 (talk • contribs) 15:23, September 19, 2008

No, because the cast listing should reflect the programme's credits. And despite the line "the Watcher was the Doctor all along", Gibbs is credited as The Watcher.

I could get into a fan debate about the difference between a "full" incarnation and a projection like the Watcher or Cho-Je, but that would get us into WP:NOTAFORUM territory. For Wikipedia purposes, we should just stick to the facts — in this case, the credits. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 16:38, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Remake

Is the anime Puella Magi Madoka Magica an remake of Logopolis? To me, it is a remake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starkiryu64 (talk • contribs)

You would need to cite a reliable source that explicitly states that. DonQuixote (talk) 06:16, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So for example, I saw the words entropy and Heat death of the universe in both articles. And Homura Akemi was like one of the the Doctor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starkiryu64 (talk • contribs) 22:10, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia works by citing and summarising reliable sources. DonQuixote (talk) 23:16, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Starkiryu64 to followup on DQ's posts what you are engaging in is original research and synthesis. You have seen a connection - which is fine BTW - I've done things like that many times over the years. But Wikipedia articles require sourcing for any info that it added to them. In other words you would need an interview with the makers of Puella... stating that they were purposely referencing this Dr Who serial in their story. You can certainly write about the connection that you see between these two tales in a blog or on your facebook page though. MarnetteD|Talk 23:31, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]