Talk:Marie Spartali Stillman

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Politis sources

These are my sources for the information provided. They come from the 'Greek Gazette' (1982), editor Kyriakos Metaxas (1982), and the material Metaxas collected. The material is from Maria Karavia's article in a Greek magazine (cannot find its name). From Susan Harris who researched Marie Spartali Stillman and forwarded her piece to Kyriakos Metaxas on 13 April 1982. From biographical notes written on 9 August 1955, by D.A.Ionides and sent to Kyriakos Metaxas. D.A. Ionides was the son of Effie Spartali and Ambrose Ionides. Marie Sartali-Stillman was the sister of his grandfather (Demetrios Spartali). One could argue that the sources are not exactly up to standard; I ask editor to be kind with it and allow it to stay - you can tag the article. I will try and be more specific at a later date, but please conisder the information provided correct, it is not original research by me. Politis (talk) 16:35, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New photo

I've just uploaded a new photo of Marie Spartali by Julia Margaret Cameron, right, entitled Hypnatia. Feel free to use if useful. Dcoetzee 05:20, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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She doesn't appear to have used the combined name "Spartali[-]Stillman", which based on looking into the matter appears to be a modern creation for ease of identification; there seem to be no contemporary sources referring to her in this way. The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography- universally regarded as a top-quality biographical source- gives "Stillman [née Spartali], Marie (1844-1927)", which might be considered quite authoritative. (see https://www.oxforddnb.com/view/10.1093/ref:odnb/9780198614128.001.0001/odnb-9780198614128-e-38009)

Original research though it be, her probate record (matching a 1927 death record, the date as per this article, of "Marie Stillman" of Kensington, aged 83, this fitting with the birth year also given in this article of 1844) gives "STILLMAN Marie, of 19, Ashburn Place, Cromwell Road, South Kensington, Middlesex, widow" (usually, if one was known by more than one name, there would be a redirect, i.e. see "SPARTALI-STILLMAN, Marie" or even "STILLMAN, Marie Spartali"; given the lack of this, it would appear that, as is the English manner generally, she simply became "Marie Stillman" on her marriage- further to this point, what is the source for "Euphrosyne"? The 1871 marriage record simply gives "Marie Spartali" and "William James Stillman". She is "Mary Spartali" according to her 1844 birth record and the 1851 and 1861 census records viewable at FamilySearch, with "Marie" evidently the preferred form by the time of her marriage; the only things giving "Euphrosyne"- fully "Marie Euphrosyne Spartali Stillman", 50% of which has been established not to have been her name at time of death!- are references to the Find a Grave index, which per Wikipedia:Reliable sources is "considered generally unreliable" due to being user-generated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Find%20a%20Grave)

Is this double surname based on anything but a convenience for historians/ scholars writing on the subject and/ or an assumption based on the fact that she was married to an American, this being an American naming convention? One quite regularly encounters this across Wikipedia, as here with no real justification, let alone contemporary, sometimes more easily corrected by virtue of the erroneous name not being the article title. It's worth noting that a scholarly work primarily dealing with contemporary sources (i.e. the letters), "The Correspondence of Dante Gabriel Rossetti" (ed. Jane Cowan, Roger C. Lewis et al, 2002) lists her in the index as "Stillman, Marie, Mrs W. J. Stillman, see Marie Spartali", with no indication of the combined name. It would be interesting to identify the first usage of "Spartali[-]Stillman" in scholarly publications, and whether or not this was of American origin.