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New section

Since John from Idegon stated a fair point and deleted the neighborhoods list, I'm thinking that instead of an urban environment section, the article can have a layout section, where information on the more notable places in Oxnard. This was originally Fettlemap's idea. Evancahill (talk) 15:38, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Evancahill, Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline#Geography suggests using the Geography section that already exists. Wikipedia tries to be international-friendly by using a similar layout for articles about similar topics such as cities. I am suggesting that while most neighborhoods are not notably different, there are a few that are distinctive. These neighborhoods would also appear in some references (not just the city general plan) since they are of interest. Here are two samples that were rated as Wikipedia:Good articles: Amarillo, Texas#Cityscape and Buford, Georgia. Cheers, Fettlemap (talk) 17:00, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

OK, Fettlemap. I would go more along the lines of the Amarillo article if it were my choice, though, so the article can be easier to organize and navigate. Thanks. Evancahill (talk) 19:16, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Cityscape draft

Oxnard is a combination of neighborhoods, and urban development focused on the downtown, coastline, and harbor areas.^[1] The city's main land uses are industrial, residential, commercial, and open space.^[2] The city is characterized by one and two-story buildings, the only exception being several high rises in the northern part of the city. The city is surrounded by agricultural land and the Pacific Ocean, as well as the Santa Clara River. The city's primary development lies along Highway 101 and the other main roads.^[3]

The Henry T. Oxnard Historic District is a 70-acre (28 ha) historic district that was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in Oxnard. Covering approximately F and G Sts., between Palm and 5th Sts., in the city, the district includes 139 contributing buildings and includes homes mostly built before 1925.^[4] It contains Craftsman and Revival architecture in abundance.^[5]^[6]

Ormond Beach is a beach along the Oxnard coast. The beach, which stretches for two miles^[7], adjoins the Ormond Wetlands, some farmland, and power plant remains. It covers the area in between Points Hueneme and Mugu, and is a well-known birding area. The beach historically contained marshes, salt flat, sloughs, and lagoons, but surrounding agriculture and industry have drained, filled, and degraded the beach and wetlands. However, there is still a dune-transition zone-marsh system along much of the beach.^[8]^[9]

References

^ "Section 1 of the General 2030 Plan for Oxnard". Granicus. p. 1-1. Retrieved 9 July 2016.
^ "Section 3 of Oxnard 2030 General Plan". Granicus. pp. 3-12 and 3-13. Retrieved 9 July 2016.
^ "Section 3 of the General 2030 Plan for Oxnard". Granicus. p. 3-1. Retrieved 9 July 2016.
^ "National Register Information System". National Register of Historic Places.
^ Benny M. and Rosanne Moss (June 8, 1998). "National Register of Historic Places Registration: Henry T. Oxnard Historic District". National Park Service. and accompanying 140 photos
^ Bentley, Amy (July 19, 2009). "Crafty couple restores house in Oxnard Historic District". Ventura County Star. Retrieved 14 July 2016.
^ "Ormond Restoration Project". California Coastal Conservatory. Retrieved 13 July 2016.
^ "Ormond Beach". California Beaches. Retrieved 13 July 2016.
^ Kelley, Daryl (April 29, 2001) "Illness Forces Environmental Crusader to Sidelines." Los Angeles Times

@Fettlemap: @John from Idegon: @Antandrus: I have a new draft here, with information on more notable neighborhoods. Hope this works. Evancahill (talk) 21:45, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Fettlemap: I updated the draft, and I think it will work fine. What about you? Evancahill (talk) 03:40, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Evancahill:, I was very surprised that while asking for comments here, you put back a poorly worded and inaccurate description with this edit. As you are aware, this is a major issue with your editing. Rather than learning from experienced editors, you add citation needed which is supposed to be placed by editors to allow time for the contributor to provide a reference from something that the editor thinks is original research. So if you add the above paragraph to the article, what will you do when experienced editors besides those on this thread give it a close look? You recently reverted an edit by an experienced editor who carefully explained that the reason on the Great Wall article. I don't think you have taken the encouragement yet to improve your editing. Fettlemap (talk) 17:54, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Fettlemap: OK, a couple things. First of all, I explained why I reverted the Great Wall edit. The newer picture was higher quality, and captured more of the Great Wall than the old pic. The older one only captured a tower in it, while the new one captured much more of the wall. And second of all, I don't understand what you mean by "what will you do when experienced editors besides those on this thread give it a close look?". Evancahill (talk) 18:53, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Evancahill:, You ask what I mean by "what will you do when experienced editors besides those on this thread give it a close look?" You are very quick to revert, try a week to be a thoughtful editor and do not click on undo. See what you can learn by observation rather than reacting quickly. Don't be defensive. Just stop arguing and defending. Instead of replying to this, spend a week reading WP:EDIT. Think about what you can learn from this and not what others should be doing. Cheers, Fettlemap (talk) 05:25, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

K. Evancahill (talk) 18:25, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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"The Jiminy Conjecture" (2009)

Since there is only this one place by the name Oxnard, I don't get the pun "We're not talking Oxnard at the beach. No! We're talking Oxnard in the onion fields!" by the entomology professor. Thank you very much in advance for an enlightening comment. --Kolya (talk) 17:47, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Main image at top of article is not of Oxnard

The pier and cityscape shown in the photo currently displayed at the top of the article are in downtown Ventura, not Oxnard. I've been there frequently and recognized them instantly. That's the Ventura Pier, and the Crowne Plaza Ventura Beach Hotel to the left of it. Ventura Pier on Google Maps — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C51:717F:316B:589C:98F7:86E6:1308 (talk) 01:54, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct; I know it too. Wow, not sure how long this has been here. Antandrus (talk) 01:57, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 11 January 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus that WP:USPLACE should continue to be observed for this article. (non-admin closure) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 16:45, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oxnard, California → Oxnard – Target already redirects to page with no obvious competitors for primary subject, making ", California" an unnecessary disambiguation. QuietHere (talk) 08:19, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:USPLACE In ictu oculi (talk) 08:39, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've gotta be honest, I do not understand what that rule means, and I'm not entirely sure it makes sense. Why shouldn't the city in Tennessee be the primary topic under Nashville? If it's just gonna land in the same place, why wouldn't that fall directly under WP:TITLEDAB #1? And why wouldn't the same apply to pages such as Los Angeles or Chicago? QuietHere (talk) 12:22, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:USPLACE means that all US cities are titled Cityname, Statename, even when that means adding unnecessary disambiguation. If you think that doesn't make sense, you're not alone, as it is a WP:PERENNIAL topic. See WT:Naming conventions (geographic names). 162 etc. (talk) 18:17, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:USPLACE. Rreagan007 (talk) 17:53, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per comments by In ictu oculi and 162 etc. as well as vote by Rreagan007. Here (near the bottom) is a list of the 28 cities whose English Wikipedia main title headers and links dispense with the state identifier. The 30-city list also includes two cities (Phoenix and Washington) that Wikipedia, however, styles as Phoenix, Arizona and Washington, D.C.. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 20:38, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support as per WP:CONCISE, which should always overrule WP:USPLACE, a bizarre guideline that is completely against Wikipedia practice for almost literally every other topic. Red Slash 23:10, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Part of the rationale of WP:USPLACE is explained on Wikipedia:Perennial proposals#Remove state from US placenames. But the main takeaway I have is basically this: most reliable sources published nationally in the US will usually first refer to it as "Oxnard, California", appending the state as if it was common usage in American English, before later referring to it as "Oxnard" like it was some sort of abbreviation. And always appending the state produces a consistent and predictable set of titles (see also WP:TITLECON), because repeated or otherwise ambiguous placenames are very common in the US, and thus most would require disambiguation regardless. The only cities that do not seem to have this peculiar convention seem to be those 28 or so cities (like Los Angeles and Chicago) listed by that AP Stylebook. But take almost all other cities in California, and nationally published reliable sources would still refer to them as "[X, California]" regardless of any unnecessary disambiguation here on Wikipedia. Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:52, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

[1] "Section 1 of the General 2030 Plan for Oxnard". Granicus. p. 1-1. Retrieved 9 July 2016.

[2] "Section 3 of Oxnard 2030 General Plan". Granicus. pp. 3-12 and 3-13. Retrieved 9 July 2016.

[3] "Section 3 of the General 2030 Plan for Oxnard". Granicus. p. 3-1. Retrieved 9 July 2016.

[4] "National Register Information System". National Register of Historic Places.

[nrhpdoc-5] Benny M. and Rosanne Moss (June 8, 1998). "National Register of Historic Places Registration: Henry T. Oxnard Historic District". National Park Service. and accompanying 140 photos

[6] Bentley, Amy (July 19, 2009). "Crafty couple restores house in Oxnard Historic District". Ventura County Star. Retrieved 14 July 2016.

[7] "Ormond Restoration Project". California Coastal Conservatory. Retrieved 13 July 2016.

[8] "Ormond Beach". California Beaches. Retrieved 13 July 2016.

[Kelley-9] Kelley, Daryl (April 29, 2001) "Illness Forces Environmental Crusader to Sidelines." Los Angeles Times

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