Talk:Tropical Storm Zelda (1991)

Info

• Relief web
• HKO 1991 report
• The Sunday Gazette
• Track on Google Maps
• JTWC best track
• 1991 ATCR
• JMA BT and key
• FEMA
• AP declaration
• Coral damage
• Xinhua General News Service
• FEMA funding
• TS Talas report
• Climate Change studies for RMI
• Typhoon hazards in RMI
• Typhoons in RMI
• Water management in RMI
• FEMA designated areas
• Pictures (unknown license)
• Storm Data

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Tropical Storm Zelda (1991)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: 12george1 (talk · contribs) 03:22, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello User:CycloneIsaac, I will be reviewing this article tonight. Hopefully soon I will be listing it as a Good Article. Anyway, the following are the issues I found with this article:

• No fatalities or damage toll?
  • Nope, sorry.—CycloneIsaac (Talk) 03:50, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
• "Severe Tropical Storm Zelda was the last storm of the 1991 Pacific typhoon season." - Sounds about as interesting as the DYK hook we were talking about earlier today :P
  • It's even better than that.—CycloneIsaac (Talk) 03:39, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
• "A disturbance formed near the International Dateline, and strengthened" - International Dateline should be International Date Line. Ditto with the other uses of the term throughout the article
  • Done.—CycloneIsaac (Talk) 03:39, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
• "track the storm until it re-entered the International Dateline." - Aside from fixing "International Dateline", add the date that this occurred. Btw, "re-entered the International Date Line" is kind of an odd word choice. Maybe say "until it crossed the International Date Line again on [insert date]".
  • Done.—CycloneIsaac (Talk) 03:59, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
• "In late November, a circulation was generated near the" - Wikilink atmospheric circulation
  • Done.—CycloneIsaac (Talk) 03:59, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
• "Advisory at 0600 UTC on November 25." - Wikilink Coordinated Universal Time
  • Done.—CycloneIsaac (Talk) 03:59, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
• "Vertical wind shear prevented strengthening" - Wikilink wind shear
  • Done.—CycloneIsaac (Talk) 03:59, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
• "Later, a trough created by" - Here's another one :P Wikilink trough (meteorology)
  • Done.—CycloneIsaac (Talk) 03:59, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
• "The storm weakened past Category 1 typhoon strength on " - It would probably be better to say something like "below Category 1 typhoon strength" than "past Category 1 typhoon strength"
  • Changed.—CycloneIsaac (Talk) 04:01, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
• "Few hours later, JTWC downgraded the storm" - I think you are a word :P --12george1 (talk) 03:22, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Done?—CycloneIsaac (Talk) 04:01, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
• "November 28, producing winds as high as 100 miles per hour (160 km/h)." - Reverse the order of the units of measure and abbreviate miles per hour
  • Done.—CycloneIsaac (Talk) 03:39, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
• "By March 26, 1992, about $68,000 (1991 USD) worth of relief goods" - Wikilink United States dollars
  • Done.—CycloneIsaac (Talk) 03:50, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
• Well, good job. Mostly its just stuff involving wikilinks. That should be it.--12george1 (talk) 03:22, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
  • @12george1: Done with everything.—CycloneIsaac (Talk) 04:04, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
    • Alright then, I will pass this article and list it as a Good Article. Congratulations,

A-class review

• "The Joint Typhoon Warning Center (JTWC) reported that the depression had reached tropical storm intensity, thus naming it Zelda. " - when/where?

• Added. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 06:51, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

• Does JTWC use SSHS? Do you need to mention C1 here? It makes it confusing when you say " It reached peak of 110 km/h (70 mph)", as that is the JMA peak. Be clearer about agencies' intensity estimates.

• Reworded. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 06:51, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

• "Zelda soon weakened into a tropical storm, and then a tropical depression." - soon compared to when? The last date you mentioned in the lede was 11/29

• Added. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 07:23, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

• JMA declared Zelda extratropical on 11/5. If you look in the best track, you'll see the number 6, which means ET. Make sure you add that to the article, and update the infobox and other parts of the article accordingly.

• Misread it the whole time. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 06:16, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

• Per here, Zelda was the first of three storms to affect the Marshall Islands in a one year period. Might be worth mentioning

• Added in the impact section. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 07:23, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

• [1] - there might be a few words worth adding from the BoM

• Added two words. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 07:42, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

• "In late November, a circulation was generated near the International Date Line by westerly winds." - was this a westerly wind burst?

• Linked it; I assume it is but it is never described as such. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 07:42, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

• "Vertical wind shear prevented strengthening at first, but the disturbance later continued to develop."

• Done. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 07:42, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

• "The tropical storm received the name Zelda." - I feel like you could mention this earlier when you mention that it strengthened to a TS, before you talk about the upgrade discrepancy

• Moved. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 23:30, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

• "JMA upgraded Zelda to a severe tropical storm eighteen hours later" - link to STS

• Done, but it just redirects to TC. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 23:30, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

• "Zelda rapidly intensified into a Category 1 typhoon on the Saffir–Simpson hurricane wind scale at 1200 UTC of November 29, with winds of 120 km/h (75 mph), near the Marshall Islands" - was it rapid? I checked out the BT, it didn't seem all that fast.

• Toned down. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 23:30, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

• "JMA estimated Zelda has reached peak around 0600 UTC on November 30 at 110 km/h (70 mph)." - "has"? Why present tense? (ditto in JTWC sentence that follows) Also, this is an odd way of starting a paragraph. It would be nice having some context where/when the storm was peaking

• Moved the time and changed tense. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 23:30, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

• "JMA reported the storm had weaken to 100 km/h (60 mph)" - past tense

• Fixed. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 23:30, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

• "and JTWC weakened it to 130 km/h (80 mph). The storm weakened below Category 1 typhoon strength on 1800 UTC of the same day, with winds of 110 km/h (70 mph)" - you don't need the first part. It doesn't help the narrative having too many mentions of the intensity.

• Removed. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 06:28, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

• "Upper-level winds soon increased" - perhaps link to wind shear instead here?

• Changed to that. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 00:22, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

• "The circulation detached from the frontal cloud line, and JTWC issued the last warning of the year." - was there a cold front involved? Otherwise I have no idea what the frontal cloud line is.

• Changed it to cold front. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 00:22, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

• "The storm affected Marshall Islands around November 28, producing winds as high as 160 km/h (100 mph)." - sustained or gusts?

• Average, so I assume it's sustained. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 00:14, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

• "Kwajalein Missile Range caught stronger winds than expected from the storm, and operations in the missile range were affected severely." - how so?

• Added the most related missile test. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 04:09, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

• "Zelda also produced a pressure of 990.1 hPa (29.24 inHg), which was the lowest pressure ever recorded on Kwajalein." - is that still the case?

• Added "at that time". Nova Crystallis (Talk) 00:14, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

• "Later, In Ebeye, 60 percent of homes were destroyed, and 6,000 people were left homeless." - odd capitalization, and odd wording. Mention the storm here causing the damage.

• Fixed. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 00:14, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

• "Food and water supplies were contaminated from salt in surge waves, and the water desalination plant became inoperable." - what are surge waves? And for how long was the plant out of work?

• Changed it to storm surge. Added the time it was completed by. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 06:03, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

• "Fresh water production records since 1989 were lost during the storm." - was this because an office was flooded or something? It's kinda random how it's in there now.

• In hindsight, I don't think it should be in the article, too small of a detail. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 05:48, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

• "The local hospital was still intact, but a few power lines were cut." - the hospital bit isn't necessary (we usually don't mention when storms withstand a storm intact). Also, were the power lines cut to the hospital, or elsewhere?

• Elsewhere. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 06:03, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

• "Other islands in the nation had their water contaminated by saltwater, and 95 percent of the crops were destroyed by the storm surge." - which other islands had water intrusion? Also, 95% crops nationwide? That's a huge amount! Surely that had some repercussions. When were they restored by?

• Reliefweb only said "other islands". 95% of this nation's crops isn't significant, since the country lacks arable land. I tried to find more information, but seems like most government sites online are dead. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 06:28, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

• "On the same day, President George H. W. Bush declared a major disaster" - add "US" here somewhere. It's not clear that Bush wasn't the Marshall Islands president.

• Added. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 04:08, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

• You might want to mention somewhere that the Marshall Islands are in a Compact of Free Association, which is why America's FEMA will handle disasters here.

• Done. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 04:08, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

• "By March 26, 1992, about $98,000 (1991 USD) " - are you sure that's 1991 USD, considering it happened in 1992? Also, the last paragraph should be merged with the preceding one, since they both cover aftermath.

• Fixed. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 04:08, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

The article is a tight little one, but there are some issues and concerns I have about it being listed A-class. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:06, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

@Hurricanehink: I think I fixed most of them, and I added a bit of impact in North America. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 06:28, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

within one calendar year?

"Zelda was the first of three storms to strike the Marshall Islands within one calendar year, just before Axel and Gay in 1992."

"one calendar year" means November, 1991 to November, 1992?--Jarodalien (talk) 12:12, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

That's wrong. A calendar year is Jan-Dec 1991. I removed the calendar, and left one year. Axel and Gay were in 92.PrisonerB (talk) 12:15, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Another question, about lead section, "The Joint Typhoon Warning Center (JTWC) reported that the depression had reached tropical storm intensity near the Marshall Islands on November 28, thus naming it Zelda." This sounds like the storm was named by JTWC, but isn't that JMA's responsibility?--Jarodalien (talk) 13:47, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Jarodalien: the JMA didn't start naming storms until 2000. The JTWC named storms from 1945-1999. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 13:55, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you User:Hurricanehink, translation just done.--Jarodalien (talk) 13:59, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Merge?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This storm had no effect nor much damage, nor news of anyone's death. Janm 7 (talk) 09:29, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

@SMB99thx:, @Destroyeraa: and @Chicdat: what would you say about it Janm 7 (talk) 09:43, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose Stop this merge mess, and Zelda did some damages in Marshall Islands. SMB99thx my edits 09:46, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

  I have removed the merge tag just to stop this all. SMB99thx my edits 09:48, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.