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X's status as a new IP

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I keep trying to change the page to reflect the words that came directly out of Nintendo's president's mouth. X is a new IP, not connected to any pre-existing series. That's it, plain and simple.

You could argue that they've said something similar with Xenoblade, and might do it again but that's just it; might. That's not concrete yet, unlike Iwata's words which hold far more weight to them than speculation. If the game does turn out to be part of the series, add the information. But until it does, leave it as a "new IP". Again, I have citations on my side yet it's insisted that speculation is taken as fact and posted on the page. It's both inaccurate and unprofessional.

In short, please leave what Mr. Iwata said about the game being a new IP up there until it's proven otherwise. What he's said on the matter is more evidence than speculation, at this point.

Thank you. HalberdStopCrashing (talk) 11:02, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Look, all your source says is that MonolithSoft is working on a new IP. We have no idea what game they were talking about. Nintendo commonly works on games for years before announcing them. (Mario & Luigi: Dream Team, for example.) So, unless you've got a better source connecting that claim to X, this is nothing more than your personal speculation. Conversely, there are many sources referring to this as being related to the Xeno series. That's why the article remains the way it is. Sergecross73 msg me 14:13, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
(The Mario and Luigi article is in worse shape than I thought, so what I was talking about is better shown here: http://www.polygon.com/2013/7/3/4489762/mario-and-luigi-dream-team-three-year-development-due-to-2d-pixel-art ) Sergecross73 msg me 14:19, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What sources, applying to X specifically, do you have? I see none. Iwata said that Monolith Soft's Wii U project was a new IP. Monolith Soft doesn't have the staff required to work on two HD titles at once, no part of Nintendo save Nintendo EAD if I recall correctly does. Monolith Soft do have a 3DS title in development, however Iwata was referring specifically to their Wii U title.

I did not see any citations on the page where it was said that X was part of the Xeno- series, nor have I heard anything anywhere else about it being connected besides the conjecture of gaming journalists. Meanwhile I provided a source that said that it was a new IP. You claim there are "many sources referring to this being related to the Xeno series", yet I don't see a single one. Ironically, it seems to be you who is speculating.

In addition, Iwata actually did say that Monolith Soft was working on a new Wii U IP before the Direct unveiling it, as the date proves. So they were working on the title long before announcing it. Your own argument does not support what you're saying.

Again, there's nothing to support that X is part of the Xeno- series and until there is, I would like the page to be changed to stating it's a new IP as Mr. Iwata said. HalberdStopCrashing (talk) 16:37, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Have you even looked at all? There's tons of reliable sources that refer to it as such. See: http://www.polygon.com/2013/1/23/3907060/xenoblade-chronicles-sequel-wii-u-monolith-soft for example, which is also more up to date and in reference to the specific game. Also, don't change to your version until/unless there's a consensus that supports it. Sergecross73 msg me 17:18, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Successor", spiritually but not a sequel. Nowhere in the Direct, or in any interviews did Iwata say that it was part of the Xeno- series, which was my point. Even in the article it says it's "a new game from Monolith Soft" but doesn't say it's part of the same series.HalberdStopCrashing (talk) 17:42, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Look, we've got a game, X, a game of the of the same dev team, game genre and has a very similar working name, and plenty of third party sources calling it a "follow up" or successor. All you've got is a general statement, almost a year ago, that the team is working on an undisclosed, unnannounced new IP, of which we still dont know what he was referring to. There's far more evidence "for" it being part of the series than "not". Sergecross73 msg me 18:12, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I do believe my physical copy of Game Informer referred to it as part of the Xeno series. I don't have access to it currently, but I'll cite that as well when I can... Sergecross73 msg me 18:24, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I understand the same dev team is working on it; however it's not the same genre. Nintendo describes it not as a JRPG, but only as an "open world game" [1]. Its working name starts with the same letter, but were it a Xeno- game I'm sure they wouldn't hesitate to simply use Xeno- in its working title. Time has nothing to do with the statement, it is still an objective fact. We do know that Iwata is very likely, more likely than your "sources" which prove nothing and you can't even cite, referring to Monolith Soft's Wii U title. He said they had a title in development only a few months before they unveiled the title for the first time, and both were done in a Direct. If anything, that's evidence that it's a new IP.

I also googled on Game Informer and what they said on it, and they only stated the facts that their previous game was Xenoblade. Nothing was said about it being a sequel.

I might also add that much of the team behind Chrono Cross worked on Baten Kaitos, another Monolith Soft title, which was a new IP as well. Despite sharing the same team, that doesn't mean the game is automatically part of a new series.

Throughout this entire discussion, I have Mr. Iwata's words that Monolith Soft's new game is a new IP. You've said that you don't know for sure what he was referring to, but with the amount of staff Monolith Soft has doing multiple HD titles is impossible.

Soraya Saga has a Twitter, if you truly doubt Mr. Iwata's words that much you can ask her if X is the new IP he was referring to, if she's allowed to answer the question, which she should because it's already public.HalberdStopCrashing (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:01, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty sure hard copy is different from what they have online. It was an e3 preview thing. Top 15 e3 games or something. I can look it up later. Anyways, I think we're arguing semantics here. Gamers like the term "new IP" because its associated with originality. At the same time, series/sequels sell better, so they like that association as well. (That's why they renamed "Monado" to Xenoblade in he first place.) He connections are obvious, and supported by third party sources though, so I think its association should stay.) Sergecross73 msg me 21:21, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The reason "Monado" was renamed Xenoblade was to honor Takahasi's involvement and his hard work. Read, again, what Iwata says, further solidifying his credibility. You saying stuff that's incorrect about the series that's already established isn't helping you seem more credible. The connections aren't obvious, as again Iwata's words have much weight to them, and all the "third party sources" don't say it's part of the same series. They say it's made by the same team, but not that it's part of the same series. We're going in circles but I'm standing my ground; it was never officially said in any way that X is part of the Xeno series. Again I'll restate what I said at first: until it's proved otherwise, why not stick to what Iwata himself said rather than assuming like you're doing now?HalberdStopCrashing (talk) 21:26, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Because we have many third party sources supporting it. and, you know, that's what Wikipedia operates on. Sergecross73 msg me 22:11, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Again, what "many third party sources" say it's a sequel? You have yet to provide a single citation, which while it isn't much I have more to support what I've said. Literally nothing says it's a sequel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HalberdStopCrashing (talk • contribs) 22:17, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/11/watch-monolith-softs-brand-new-open-world-wii-u-game-in-action/

Sources

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  • Game Informer Issue 244. August 2013. pg 23 "Monolith Soft found a home on the Wii with Xenoblade Chronicles, and now the team is creating a new RPG for the Wii U. X is still a part of the Xeno series, using a mixture of..."

Again, "successor" is not the same as a sequel. Most of the articles say that it is reminiscent of Xenoblade but there is no proof it is actually a direct sequel. Note how they all use words such as "seems to be", "appears to be", etc; it's all assumptions, which are not facts. You have to realize this. This is just as factual as saying the game is an MMO, at this point it's no more than speculation adn that's what the journalists are doing. On the page, you say that it may be an MMO based on the speculation of journalists yet you say that the game is a Xeno- game based on the speculation of journalists as well. You're picking and choosing.

There's no denying that X shares elements with Xenoblade. But even Iwata's words aside, if Monolith Soft's past has taught us anything just because something shares elements doesn't mean it's part of the same IP. Look at Chrono Cross and Baten Kaitos.

Until there's something that says it's a sequel or it is announced, which I highly doubt given it is a new IP, please let the article be changed to reflect the solid facts that came out of Iwata's mouth rather than speculation. It's unprofessional leaping to conclusions like that. HalberdStopCrashing (talk) 12:21, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Your successor/sequel argument is irrelevant. A game can part of a series, but not a sequel. For instance Final Fantasy 7 and Final Fantasy 8. Same series, not a sequel though. So its not like it needs to be a sequel to be part of the series, so you can stop that nitpicking. Sequel, successor, whatever - it'd be part of he series.
  • No one ever thought Baten Katos was a Chrono Cross sequel, they don't have the legal rights to be IP. It never could have been. Irrelevant point.
  • We don't know what game Iwata was speaking of, so that's not applicable either.

Would it help if its reworded to something closer to "Journalists expect it to be part of the series" or something? That much is undeniable at least. Sergecross73 msg me 13:08, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • I realize that, but Iwata said it was a new IP. As for no one thinking Baten Kaitos was a Chrono Cross sequel, were it revealed in such a fashion I imagine many people would.

We do know that Iwata was referring to X, because he said that Takahashi and the Xenoblade team were working on it. We know they're working on X. They can't work on multiple HD titles at once for the reasons I've stated. It's the new IP, plain and simple.

But yes, it would help to change it to how it is expected by journalists to be part of the series. That would be fine, but just don't say it's part of the series as again there's nothing concrete about it. Thank you.HalberdStopCrashing (talk) 17:48, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Unless you've got a source stating they're only working on only one title, that's just original research and synthesis based on your own expectations of the company and their development capacity. But regardless, I've reworded the article to say "expected", and added some of the strongest sources for it, so we should be done here. Sergecross73 msg me 18:35, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, that's much better. I don't mean to seem pushy, but please remove the part where it's listed as part of the Xeno- series on the right.HalberdStopCrashing (talk) 19:41, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Feb 2014 update

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Source

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Soraya Saga?

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Do we have evidence that Soraya Saga is involved with the game in some capacity? If so, shouldn't we cite it (or delete the name if we don't)? Ryen Raftery (talk) 17:33, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Spiritual successor?

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By definition, spiritual succesors are games that follow up works of different IPs. The prologue of the article should be modified. This game is a sequel to the Wii game. --200.84.227.51 (talk) 04:46, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you, and I've said the same thing, but Nintendo has literally/directly referred to it as a spiritual sequel, so I dropped it. I personally think Nintendo was just trying to illustrate that it wasn't the type of direct sequel featuring "Shulk and the gang six months after the events of the first game", and kinda chose the wrong word. But until they start calling it something else, I cant really argue that here. Sergecross73 msg me 18:38, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Gamescom 2015

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Gamescom 2015 will be held 5-9 August. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.19.34.3 (talk) 19:55, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Source 2

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Writing for general audiences, including context

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Wikipedia is supposed to be written for general audiences, so that anyone can fully understand all the content present just by reading what's in the article. This should remain true for all readers, whether you be a Xeno fan, a general gamer, or someone who's never touched a video game in their life. As such, we need to stop adding things without any explanation or context. These comments that amount to "Oh, and Lin was there" or "Also, they work with Nopons" doesn't mean anything to the general reader. Who is Lyn? Why is she important? What does she do? Just a name by itself means nothing.

So please, when adding content, think about whether or not it makes sense to people who aren't familiar with the topic. I commonly use the standard of "If I said this sentence to my friend/parent/grandparent who doesn't play video games, would they understand? Or would they respond with a "What?" "Who?" "I don't understand", etc. Sergecross73 msg me 13:43, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Digital Foundry

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Problems with Special Edition Release and DRM on Music USB Drive

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I guess you could add a sentence on that? Not that big of a deal, but sure. Use a source from WP:VG/S though. Sergecross73 msg me 01:41, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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GA Review

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Reviewer: Jaguar (talk · contribs) 23:18, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]


This article looks to be in a good state at a first glance. ♦ jaguar 23:18, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • "The game is an entry in the Xenoblade Chronicles series" - might be helpful to pinpoint which numbered entry this game is
  • "The team set themselves the challenge of creating an expansive world for players to explore within a tight development budget" - I'd replace this word with 'despite', as it reads like the tight budget is part of the game world itself. Although I could just be tired, so I'll leave it up to you!
  • "Fast travel options are unlocked when new areas are discovered" - fast travel would be a good link here
  • "To help cope with this first, the team decided against using cutting-edge technology when designing the game" - redundant

Well, that's that I'm afraid! This article is well-written, comprehensive, and soundly-sourced, meeting the GA criteria outright. I am therefore compelled to give this an outright pass, seeing that there is no excuse to put this on hold. Well done. Wish I could say more, but as usual a sterling article. ♦ jaguar 23:31, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work! Congrats! Sergecross73 msg me 02:06, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Switch Port

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There are rumors that way the game will get a port for the Nintendo Switch. Stein256 (talk) 22:18, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen them too, but unless they've been reported on by reliable sources, we can't add it to Wikipedia. I don't think I've seen any reliable sources report on it yet. WP:VG/S has a list of a lot of acceptable sources though, so let me know if I'm wrong. Sergecross73 msg me 00:40, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. Stein256 (talk) 04:57, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Plot is/isn't connect to prior Xeno games

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An IP keeps on tweaking the wording to say that it is related to prior entries, citing DLC that came out a decade later. A couple issues.

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