Template:Did you know nominations/Danket, danket dem Herrn
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The result was: promoted by Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 18:22, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
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Danket, danket dem Herrn
- ... that "Danket, danket dem Herrn", a round of thanksgiving in German based on Psalm 106:1, was included in a songbook for a state garden show in Landau in 2015? Source: [1] and others
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Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 11:16, 6 August 2022 (UTC).
Date, size, etc. all good, as expected from DYK veteran Gerda. QPQ review is needed. But, Gerda, can you consider a more interesting hook? How about ALT1 below? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:48, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that the 18th century "Danket, danket dem Herrn", a round of thanksgiving based on Psalm 106:1, has been described as one of the best-known rounds in German?
I shall review this. Storye book (talk) 10:19, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
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Overall: 
Nice article - in the UK the well-known rounds are London's Burning and Frere Jacques, mainly sung by children. This German round is far more classy. Just a couple of comments:
QPQ pending.- Is there any record of the song being actually performed at the garden show? If there is a citation for a performance there, it would be more fun than being in a book (I love rounds!)
Being one of the best-known rounds would make a strong hook, too. Is an ALT possible for that?(ETA Sorry I missed the previous review, and ALT1 which is fine. Luckily our reviews are in agreement.)- I have copyedited the article for Standard English (no content changed, and it does not affect DYK) but please re-edit it if any of my changes are inappropriate.
The last sentence, which currently says, "It calls for careful choice of the starting-note", needs a little explanation to help non-musicians understand - maybe add a bit on the end to say something like, "... to allow for the vocal ranges of those singers present", or whatever the citation permits us to say as explanation?Storye book (talk) 11:06, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
Update: Apart from the pending QPQ, this nom is OK so far, for ALTs 0 and 1. Storye book (talk) 20:07, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
My apologies, Piotrus, for not noticing that you had already reviewed. I'm not sure how that happened - really sorry. Please ignore my review unless there is anything in it that may be useful - though I believe our reviews are basically in agreement, anyway. I shall of course not be using my above review as a QPQ. Storye book (talk) 09:15, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you both for reviewing! I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Surprise (song). The original hook could be quirky in German where everybody would recognize Himmelgrün as a word play on Himmelblau, a blue colour like the sky, - it was the motto of the show, himmelgrün gate, himmelgrün pavilion ... But even without it I find it funny that a psalm verse goes to a garden show. The other is too general for my taste, but thank you for offering. I'm also not sure if we can present "am weitesten verbreitet" (broadest distribution) as "best-known" which seems not really the same to me. We sang it for a funeral, on top of about every other day at home. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:31, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt, Storye book, Perhaps we will need more input on that. My issue with the main hook is that it is strangely low-key; the pun certainly doesn't translate, and it reads like strange trivia about a very minor event; it's like saying "this is so unimportant the best we could say about it is this trivial fact". Note I am not saying this hook needs to be discard, I am just saying that I, personally (this is subjective) find it bland and interesting only in so far as it raises my eyebrow due to the mention of the event that sounds trivial. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:51, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- I won't argue, just tell me if "best-known" is really equivalent to "one of those with the widest distribution" (which I find clumsy, but perhaps there's a short English term that I just don't know). Storye book, about the "tuning": Frere Jaques has only 6 notes (in a row), but Danket has 6 below the first note in the last section (on top of 6 above in the second section), which means that starting too low gets you into problems at the very end. I tried to say that shorter, and don't think it deserves broader coverage. Rounds are normally not performed in concert, but socially sung. BTW, these state garden shows are big affairs in Germany, announced years in advance, the pride of the city that holds it from spring to fall with many events (2030 for Baden-Württemberg, in the Wikipedia article), for example de:Liste der Landesgartenschauen in Rheinland-Pfalz. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:28, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt, Storye book, Perhaps we will need more input on that. My issue with the main hook is that it is strangely low-key; the pun certainly doesn't translate, and it reads like strange trivia about a very minor event; it's like saying "this is so unimportant the best we could say about it is this trivial fact". Note I am not saying this hook needs to be discard, I am just saying that I, personally (this is subjective) find it bland and interesting only in so far as it raises my eyebrow due to the mention of the event that sounds trivial. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:51, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you both for reviewing! I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Surprise (song). The original hook could be quirky in German where everybody would recognize Himmelgrün as a word play on Himmelblau, a blue colour like the sky, - it was the motto of the show, himmelgrün gate, himmelgrün pavilion ... But even without it I find it funny that a psalm verse goes to a garden show. The other is too general for my taste, but thank you for offering. I'm also not sure if we can present "am weitesten verbreitet" (broadest distribution) as "best-known" which seems not really the same to me. We sang it for a funeral, on top of about every other day at home. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:31, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- OK, Gerda. I'm stepping down in favour of Piotrus now, for reasons given above. But if either of you need me to approve a hook or whatever, please ping me. Storye book (talk) 15:51, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt, As I don't speak German, it may be better to get a 3O on this term from someone who does. I believe I used this term since your article states: "It has been described as one of the best-known rounds in German." I admit now that I follow the source [2] I can't find such a claim the google translated version available to me. Could you provide the quote from the German source for that? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:46, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
- I am sorry that I was sloppy (and didn't even remember). I asked my translator program now: "most widespread" is no. 2, "most common" no. 1 of the suggestions. I tend towards "widespread". I'll take that to the article for now. Storye book, what do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:52, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that the 18th century "Danket, danket dem Herrn", a round of thanksgiving based on Psalm 106:1, has been described as one of the most widespread rounds in German? Storye book (talk) 17:37, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
- I am sorry that I was sloppy (and didn't even remember). I asked my translator program now: "most widespread" is no. 2, "most common" no. 1 of the suggestions. I tend towards "widespread". I'll take that to the article for now. Storye book, what do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:52, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt, As I don't speak German, it may be better to get a 3O on this term from someone who does. I believe I used this term since your article states: "It has been described as one of the best-known rounds in German." I admit now that I follow the source [2] I can't find such a claim the google translated version available to me. Could you provide the quote from the German source for that? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:46, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
- OK, Gerda. I'm stepping down in favour of Piotrus now, for reasons given above. But if either of you need me to approve a hook or whatever, please ping me. Storye book (talk) 15:51, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Piotrus: GTG with ALT2? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:59, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: No objection, seems ok. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:45, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
Thank you. Approving ALT2 on behalf of Storye book (since she proposed the wording). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:46, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
