Template:Did you know nominations/Manhood: The Masculine Virtues America Needs
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Launchballer talk 05:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
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Manhood: The Masculine Virtues America Needs
- ... that Josh Hawley's book Manhood was his second published by Regnery, after being dropped by Simon & Schuster for his support of the January 6 United States Capitol attack?
- ALT1 ... that Josh Hawley's book Manhood was his second published by Regnery, after being dropped by Simon & Schuster for his support of the attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election?
- ALT2 ... that Josh Hawley's book Manhood was his second published by Regnery, after being dropped by Simon & Schuster?
- ALT2a ... that Josh Hawley's book Manhood: The Masculine Virtues America Needs was his second published by Regnery?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Noting that with Missouri's polls opening October 23 and in accordance with WP:DYKELECT: if approved, this will have to appear no later than September 23 or be held until after the 2024 United States Senate election in Missouri, to November 6. Thanks, Bobby Cohn (talk) 00:31, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Moved to mainspace by Bobby Cohn (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Bobby Cohn (talk) 00:13, 30 August 2024 (UTC).
- Copying a comment from this discussion at WT:DYK: "
These later election hooks will probably need a lot of scrutiny due to political polarization. This one has a clause that frames Josh Hawley as treasonous. The NYT source there says his publisher dropped him for support of attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election, and specifically hedges on the January 6 United States Capitol attack. Criticism of the book is frequently very negative, mocking Hawley for initially supporting the mob before "running for his life" like a "bitch", so any hook will have a hard time balancing WP:NPOV and WP:DYKBLP. Rjjiii (talk) 01:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
" If a hook is approved here, it may be wise to get some eyes from WP:BLPN to look it over after. Rjjiii (talk) 16:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)- Hi Rjjiii, thanks for linking the separate discussion, I hadn't seen the thread on the template talk page. For future consideration, I've added ALT1 in response to the feedback at that discussion. Bobby Cohn (talk) 14:01, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, removed the issue icon above, Rjjiii (talk) 22:01, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- (Later followup) Hi Rjjiii, I'm realizing that, while I think I did my best to stick to objectionably true statements for the hook and, while I might think it's okay, I realize that other editors may have a different threshold of concern. I've reread WP:DYKBLP and with respect to Note that this is a stricter requirement than BLP as a whole: a sentence that might be due weight in the article can become undue if used in the hook, if the concern is strictly the focus of the reason the author was dropped, I've also added ALT2 (and the even more cautious ALT2a) sticking to just mentioning that it was his second book with the publisher. I'm hoping to alleviate some concerns reviewers may have with regards to the discussion as I'm watching the DYKN proceed further and further back on the nominations page. I'm open to more advice of course. Thanks, Bobby Cohn (talk) 16:04, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
Approving ALT1 and ALT2. Reject original hook. There's no BLP issues with ALT2a, but I don't think a prep builder is likely to promote it. The article itself doesn't have issues with NPOV; the WP:RS are incredibly hostile towards the book. It's also new enough and long enough. Direct quotes are correctly attributed. @Bobby Cohn: Do you mind if I post a link to this nomination at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard to have someone double check those two hooks more familiar with the policy? Rjjiii (talk) 12:05, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Rjjiii: of course, by all means. Bobby Cohn (talk) 14:01, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Posted at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Manhood: The Masculine Virtues America Needs (Main Page) a couple days ago. No issues raised, so far, Rjjiii (talk) 01:03, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Rjjiii: of course, by all means. Bobby Cohn (talk) 14:01, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- (Later followup) Hi Rjjiii, I'm realizing that, while I think I did my best to stick to objectionably true statements for the hook and, while I might think it's okay, I realize that other editors may have a different threshold of concern. I've reread WP:DYKBLP and with respect to Note that this is a stricter requirement than BLP as a whole: a sentence that might be due weight in the article can become undue if used in the hook, if the concern is strictly the focus of the reason the author was dropped, I've also added ALT2 (and the even more cautious ALT2a) sticking to just mentioning that it was his second book with the publisher. I'm hoping to alleviate some concerns reviewers may have with regards to the discussion as I'm watching the DYKN proceed further and further back on the nominations page. I'm open to more advice of course. Thanks, Bobby Cohn (talk) 16:04, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, removed the issue icon above, Rjjiii (talk) 22:01, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Rjjiii, thanks for linking the separate discussion, I hadn't seen the thread on the template talk page. For future consideration, I've added ALT1 in response to the feedback at that discussion. Bobby Cohn (talk) 14:01, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
