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Hi there again. Thanks for responding.
The reason I combined the individual nation's template (Eng, Sco, Wal, NI) with the {{Football in the United Kingdom}} at first was cos this was how it was already done on the {{Football in England}} template so I just continued this on the others. I kept it because it shows the chronology of scale in most places used. So, for example, if you look at the bottom of the England national football team page it has:
the national level
UK level
European international football
World international football (ie the World Cup)
I think this is useful as it means that at any level of football you can easily navigate to any other level of football quite quickly. I agree we should arrive on a consistent use though. Perhaps I'll do a staw poll?
Thanks also for pointing out the United_Kingdom_national_football_team#External_links page where the template isn't working. Unfortunately this is what happens when you standardise templates - it means there are loads of pages where the template is no longer correctly used. Basically all you need to do is add {{fb start}} before and {{fb end}} after the template and it comes up correctly. I'm going through one-by-one while I have time - but others can help too! -- MLD 15:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I think your "ever so slightly modified template" looks fine, but I would suggest that we also retain the link to the United Kingdom national football team and the UK flag-icon ({{flagicon|United Kingdom}}), which were in the original Template:Football in the United Kingdom. Do you want to go ahead and make the modifications to the {{Football in the United Kingdom}} template then?
I agree with your suggested use pages, however I would also add that it should be on each of the national team pages as well (i.e. the England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales). Agreed? -- MLD 11:03, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
I take your point about not wanting to suggest equivlance between the individual teams and the UK team, (but the UK team has to be there - its absence would defeat the entire point of the template!) so to avoid this how about we just separate it out - something like this? Makes much more sense. -- MLD·T·C·@: 13:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Why on earth should the link to the UK team be discrete in a navibox about football in the UK?!! That's completely illogical. As I said before, your template is fine but it does need minor changes: There has to be a clear (not discrete) link to the [[Football in the United Kingdom]] and [[United Kingdom national football team]] pages - how you make this disctinct and separate (as I agree it should be) from the Eng, NI, Sco & Wal national team pages and football in... team pages is up to you (but I would suggest that the UK pages should not be within the first line since this is inconsistent as all the other items are about competitions).
I have deleted a userbox template you recently created, as userboxes should no longer be created in templatespace per the terms of the German userbox final solution. Here is the userbox code so that you can recreate the userbox in your userspace ("userfying") if you wish.
Hi. There was a really good website that I was using to do the earlier League tables but it no longer exists. Soccerbase have the tables from 1975-76 onwards but they are seperated into 'Home' and 'Away' which is a bit inconvenient. I noticed that you changed the format of the tables for 2000-01 and 2001-02. It certainly looks a lot better, nice work. Do you plan to change the format for the rest? I'll try and do a few a week but will take a while to complete it obviously! Forbsey 22:24, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Firstly, Wikipedia articles should not be cited as sources. Secondly, I'm having a hard enough time as it is encouraging people to punctuate abbreviations correctly, and leaving it the way you'd prefer it isn't helping the cause. I don't really understand your side of the case on this. - Dudesleeper 00:50, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
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removal of union jack
this is regarding your repeated changes to Vancouver. the issue of whether to include the union jack for Edinburgh under affiliated cities has been raised and debated in the past. I suggest you look at the archived talk pages to see that debate. Personally, I have no opinion. My concern is a protracted edit war over it. In lieu of a consensus to change the status quo, I will continue to revert your changes. I've looked on other articles, and there is no standard on using one or both flags for Scottish cities. cheers, Bobanny 18:37, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
My concern is simply the stability of the article, which I've given a lot of energy too with many others to get it featured. There has been quite a bit of back and forth in the past, and a little bit of debate on the talk page with no consensus. It seems to me that having both flags is the closest possible thing to a compromise. The convention on Wikipedia is to achieve a consensus on the talk page before changing something that is controversial or contested, and the reason for that convention is to discourage edit warring. If you have as good a case to make as you claim, then bring it to the talk page and there shouldn't be a problem with making the change. Without discussion on the talk page, it's more like wait and see if anyone notices. It's pointless to just wait and see if anyone objects, because that process has already taken place. People have objected. I have looked at other city articles because of this issue and found that there is no standard and that all possible variations exist for twinned Scottish cities. Scotland is a constituent of the UK, and having only the Scottish flag is somehow more accurate is not self-evident. If there is sufficient support for changing it, then I will support that decision 100%. Bobanny 23:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I've initiated a discussion of this on Vancouver's talk page, if you'd like to participate. Bobanny 20:43, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
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We've been here before, and I don't think you provided an answer last time either: how does removing future seasons cease to make the template work? - Dudesleeper · Talk 22:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Bit of a crappy way to structure a template but I'll let you run with it, although your tantrums are amusing (the "teen" userbox on your user page is a bit redundant, by the way). I noticed your "link" to the template directed to mental retardation. Researching your medical issues is fine, but please be careful when copying and pasting to make sure you're not making mistakes. - Dudesleeper · Talk 13:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Or you could - going out on a limb here - just explain things the first time someone asks it of you instead of claiming an act of vandalism. Dudesleeper · Talk 14:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
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