User talk:Alaya12345
July 2024
[edit]Hello, I'm Arjayay. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Golaghat, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. - Arjayay (talk) 11:27, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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- @Kautilya3: Why is the content removed?? In Manipur Alaya12345 (talk) 01:30, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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Eri silk
[edit]Hello, I noticed that you added and modified information on the article page of Eri silk, but it didn't include any reliable reference. As a result, it has been removed for now. If you wish to readd the information, please make sure to include references to back it up. Tizen03 (talk) 12:16, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Reversion of the article Manipur
[edit]Hi Alaya12345! I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of an article several times. The impulse to undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure you're aware that the edit warring policy disallows repeated reversions even if they are justifiable.
All editors are expected to discuss content disputes on article talk pages to try to reach consensus. If you are unable to agree, please use one of the dispute resolution options to seek input from others. Using this approach instead of reverting can help you avoid getting drawn into an edit war. Thank you. Saurabh{Talk} 09:07, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Alaya12345: You are engaging in disruptive editing in the Dimapur article by repeatedly removing sourced content. Please adhere to WP:V and WP:NPOV. Do not remove or alter any sourced content without providing reliable references and engaging in proper discussion on the talk page.
- In several instances, you have used terms like "Assamese Nationalism" in edit summaries. For example there is no debate about it the nagas of myanmar cultivate ghost pepper in Kachin state. stop this assamese nationalism. But, later you added Kachin State to the article. Words like "Sanskritized" and "Bihar" in the article Eri Silk edit summary, It is from naga people the assamese got it when they sanskritised the naga tribes in the brahmaputra valley, eri silk is widely used in naga society hardly used in any place like bihar. which are inappropriate and do not adhere to Wikipedia's rules and policies. Your association with Mung Mao and your repeated insertion of maps without primary sources also raises concerns. Furthermore, you are re-adding content that has been removed by others. Saurabh{Talk} 01:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- You are removing sourced content and full citation in here [1] and reinserting vandalism form in that page Alaya12345 (talk) 02:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- If you recheck your edits, you'll find that by reverting them, you have removed some text added by an IP, along with sourced content and captions. For example, instead of "Ekasarana religion," it should be "Ekasarana Nam Dharma." Additionally, captions like "Shree Krishna's various types of Murtis, such as Bangmoi Murti (Bhagavata, Gunamala), Shilamoi Murti, and Daromoi Murti," were also removed.
- If you really want to help improve the article, add content only backed by reliable sources, remove spam, and discuss any issues on the talk page if you're facing any problems. Saurabh{Talk} 11:27, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- You are removing sourced content and full citation in here [1] and reinserting vandalism form in that page Alaya12345 (talk) 02:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
September 2024
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Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit(s) you made to Nagaland, did not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use your sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. Yuthoob (talk) 04:51, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- You are removing sourced content when it has been properly cited Alaya12345 (talk) 04:55, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Yuthoob: Citation was provided in the article of Tinsukia district and in Nagaland, you asked to provide reference, now you claim even with citation it can be removed, this is literal WP:OWN Alaya12345 (talk) 05:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Let me clear this up. 'This article', that you are referring to did not have any citation hence why it requires a citation. Those articles you mentioned did have citations but the text is completely irrelevant to the article. Therefore it needs to be rewritten and a reference supporting the rewritten text needs to be added.
- These are two completely different issues here. I can explain further if you want.
- --Thanks, Yuthoob (talk) 05:12, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Yuthoob: Not really the text is relevant, the state of Nagaland was once under assam and more specifically Upper assam, when the source says that Upper Assam was under Mongmao ruler Sikefa it includes Nagaland as well Alaya12345 (talk) 05:23, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Can you explain why this text suitable for the article. Not only is the text not about Upper Assam being under Mongmao, it also does not mention that Nagaland was a part of Upper Assam:
- According to the Brief History of Mengguo Zhanbi, in 1318, Si Kefa, the ruler of Mongmao appointed his brother Sanlongfa as the general and led an army of 90,000 to attack the king of Mengwei Sari (Upper Assam). In the end, he designed a plan to make Mengwei Sari surrender and pay tribute every 3 years and Samlongfa returned backed to Mongmao.
- For inclusion in the article you need to do the following:
- 1) Find secondary reliable sources which says that:
- Upper Assam was under Mongmao
- Nagaland was a part of Upper Assam
- 2) Write a paragraph which says these things and use those sources as inline citations as you need to prove it because of Wikipedia's policy on verifiability.
- The reason why you need to do this is because without adding any sources which supports what you wrote it would be considered original research which is not allowed on Wikipedia.
- --Yuthoob (talk) 05:50, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Yuthoob: I already provided source which says Upper assam was under Mongmoa ruler Sikefa, you have just removed it , also there was no nagaland dima hasao, or Golaghat district before 1947, these were formed after independence, this were all called upper assam, upper assam was called Mengwei Sari in Dai text and Tengkhao in Puya of Manipur hence i cannot provide a source which says Golaghat district under Mongmao because that didnot existed before 1947. Thanks!! Alaya12345 (talk) 05:57, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Look I get what you are saying. You are saying that the source you cited says that Upper Assam was under Mongmoa ruler Sikefa. Okay that is great. The issue is that the text that you actually add to the article also needs to say that. Hence why I said that it needs to be rewritten.
- If you simply keep re adding the text without any modifications then it is pointless because the underlying issue has not been fixed. It would just be disruptive editing.
- --Yuthoob (talk) 06:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Yuthoob: I already provided source which says Upper assam was under Mongmoa ruler Sikefa, you have just removed it , also there was no nagaland dima hasao, or Golaghat district before 1947, these were formed after independence, this were all called upper assam, upper assam was called Mengwei Sari in Dai text and Tengkhao in Puya of Manipur hence i cannot provide a source which says Golaghat district under Mongmao because that didnot existed before 1947. Thanks!! Alaya12345 (talk) 05:57, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- And if for some reason you are not able to or are not interested in doing this but you still want the change to appear on the article you can ask for help on the talk page of the article(s). Do mention what they need to do i.e. find reliable secondary sources and then add the information while using proper inline citations.
- Also no original research.
- --Cheers, Yuthoob (talk) 05:53, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Yuthoob: Not really the text is relevant, the state of Nagaland was once under assam and more specifically Upper assam, when the source says that Upper Assam was under Mongmao ruler Sikefa it includes Nagaland as well Alaya12345 (talk) 05:23, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Yuthoob: Citation was provided in the article of Tinsukia district and in Nagaland, you asked to provide reference, now you claim even with citation it can be removed, this is literal WP:OWN Alaya12345 (talk) 05:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Tinsukia district. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.
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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Yuthoob (talk) 05:03, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
@Yuthoob: Well you asked to add a better source so that it can be added again, i provided a full citation with 30 lines, now can you explain on what ground have you removed it, this cant go on, you are removing sourced content, and claiming it as disruptive editing Alaya12345 (talk) 05:17, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- I am calling it disruptive because you keep adding the same thing back again and again without fixing the underlying issue with the material even though I have already written paragraphs explaining exactly why it needs to be changed, both in your talk page here and on my reply to your question in my talk page.
- --Yuthoob (talk) 10:32, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- You can just modify it, the source is already provided Alaya12345 (talk) 10:39, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- It is the responsibility of the person adding or restoring the material to provide proper citations while adding it per WP:Burden. While it is true that I can indeed "modify it", I would have to search for the books you cited, read them and verify, and do more research on the topic which is not something I am ready to do right now. And if you are not willing to do that either then it is best to not add it and wait for someone dedicated enough to add it back. Hence why I suggested earlier that you should add the suggestion in the talk page so that someone else can do it instead.
- If the content is added as it is it would only deteriorate the quality of the article.
- I will admit though that me removing the map from Khamyang people was a mistake because it is not irrelevant to the topic as I had mistakenly claimed, and that's why I self reverted there.
- --Yuthoob (talk) 10:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- You can just modify it, the source is already provided Alaya12345 (talk) 10:39, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, articles should not be moved, as you did to Mekhela Sador, without good reason. They should have a name that is both accurate and intuitive. Wikipedia has some guidelines in place to help with this. Generally, a page should only be moved to a new title if the current name doesn't follow these guidelines. Also, if a page move is being discussed, consensus needs to be reached before anybody moves the page. If you would like to experiment with page titles and moving, please use the test Wikipedia. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. asilvering (talk) 00:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Asilvering: My apology , i forgot to add the reason, would be doing it from the next time. Thank you Alaya12345 (talk) 00:27, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- No, it's not enough to have a reason. You need to start a discussion. Please see the instructions at WP:RM. -- asilvering (talk) 00:28, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- OK, i will Thank you Alaya12345 (talk) 00:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- No, it's not enough to have a reason. You need to start a discussion. Please see the instructions at WP:RM. -- asilvering (talk) 00:28, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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Ekdalian (talk) 15:04, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Ekdalian: This particular editor has been making unnecessary edits, added info without any references & even moved articles without discussing it in talk pages. Tizen03 (talk) 05:26, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Tizen03: could you so me where i have added unsourced info, you are removing sourced info in pages like Eri silk and Mekhela Sador Alaya12345 (talk) 05:28, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Alaya12345: you've argued this with ever other editor in the past few days. The only person who modified articles backed by citations is you. Tizen03 (talk) 05:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well you removed citation of Eri silk being made in Nagaland, now you are accusing me. Also wikipedia needs references/ citation. Should i know stop providing it now Alaya12345 (talk) 05:35, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Alaya12345: No one removed any information with citation except you. Tizen03 (talk) 05:42, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- In the article of Eri silk you've removed places like Bihar etc despite them being backed up by citations. And at the same time you've modified information in the paragraph of Eri being derived from Assamese word & replaced it with Naga word despite it already being backed up by citations. Tizen03 (talk) 05:44, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- You just did removed my citation in Mekhala and eri silk Alaya12345 (talk) 05:47, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Alaya12345: I've repeatedly asked you to discuss in talk pages of those articles before moving an article or adding such information. Not here.
- I will repeat again Nagaland's Mekhala is a 1-piece clothing, whereas Assam's Mekhala Sador a 2-piece clothing, yet you're trying to merge the two articles as one. Naga Mekhala doesn't have any "Sador" in the attire. Tizen03 (talk) 05:52, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- So from where did the Assamese got their mekhala from, to which they added the Sador and now it is called Mekhala sador, did the Nagas got it from Assamese or the other way around Alaya12345 (talk) 05:55, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Discuss this in the Mekhela Sador's talk page, not here. Wikipedia only accepts info backed by citations, not by your claims. Now refrain from discussion it here. There are dedicated talk pages on the article. Tizen03 (talk) 06:01, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- I just gave two citation you removed it , besides Gunpowder was invented in China , other states Ottoman empire or Mughal empire learned it from China, so the other states cant claim gundpowder as their own invention, similarly Mekhala is naga origin not Assamese origin, the Assamese modified it and called it Mekhala Sador , so Assamsese cannot claim to be the inventor of Mekhala Sador, they just got it from the Nagas, added new designs to it , So the page shouldn't even be called Mekhala Sador because it isnt assamesse origin but Naga origin , the page should be moved to Mekhala and write the the full process how the Assamese got it from nagas and modified it! Assamese cannot claim Mekhala as their own invention when it is a Naga invention Alaya12345 (talk) 06:11, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Discuss this in the Mekhela Sador's talk page, not here. Wikipedia only accepts info backed by citations, not by your claims. Now refrain from discussion it here. There are dedicated talk pages on the article. Tizen03 (talk) 06:01, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- So from where did the Assamese got their mekhala from, to which they added the Sador and now it is called Mekhala sador, did the Nagas got it from Assamese or the other way around Alaya12345 (talk) 05:55, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- You just did removed my citation in Mekhala and eri silk Alaya12345 (talk) 05:47, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- In the article of Eri silk you've removed places like Bihar etc despite them being backed up by citations. And at the same time you've modified information in the paragraph of Eri being derived from Assamese word & replaced it with Naga word despite it already being backed up by citations. Tizen03 (talk) 05:44, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Alaya12345: No one removed any information with citation except you. Tizen03 (talk) 05:42, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well you removed citation of Eri silk being made in Nagaland, now you are accusing me. Also wikipedia needs references/ citation. Should i know stop providing it now Alaya12345 (talk) 05:35, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Alaya12345: you've argued this with ever other editor in the past few days. The only person who modified articles backed by citations is you. Tizen03 (talk) 05:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Tizen03: could you so me where i have added unsourced info, you are removing sourced info in pages like Eri silk and Mekhela Sador Alaya12345 (talk) 05:28, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Moved article page
[edit]@Alaya12345: Don't move pages without discussing it in take pages of the respective articles. These are basic Wikipedia rules. If you have trouble following them then refrain from editing on Wikipedia.
Moreover,you have a habit of adding info without any citations. In the article of Mekhala Sador, you've added Nagaland's 'Mekhala' & merged it with 'Mekhala Sador'. Mekhaka is a 1-piece cloth, whereas Mekhala Sador is a 2-piece clothing. Refrain from making such misleading edits.
Discuss in talk pages before making huge changes in Wikipedia articles. Tizen03 (talk) 05:15, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Tizen03: I just gave two citation you removed it , besides Gunpowder was invented in China , other states Ottoman empire or Mughal empire learned it from China, so the other states cant claim gundpowder as their own invention, similarly Mekhala is naga origin not Assamese origin, the Assamese modified it and called it Mekhala Sador , so Assamsese cannot claim to be the inventor of Mekhala Sador, they just got it from the Nagas, added new designs to it , So the page shouldn't even be called Mekhala Sador because it isnt assamesse origin but Naga origin , the page should be moved to Mekhala and write the the full process how the Assamese got it from nagas and modified it! Assamese cannot claim Mekhala as their own invention when it is a Naga invention Alaya12345 (talk) 06:12, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Create a separate Naga Mekhala article backed by citations, but don't merge it with Mekhala Sador, as these are two separate attires. No one here is arguing about its origin, in its current form these are two separate things which is what the article is about. And gunpowder of Ottoman empire or Mughal empire aren't any different from China's, so a bad analogy. Noodles from China and Spaghetti from Italy aren't considered the same for a reason. Tizen03 (talk) 10:44, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Tizen03: Mekhala Sador evolved from Mekhala not the other way around , move this page to Mekhala and write how Assamese copied or stoled it Alaya12345 (talk) 11:06, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Alaya12345: "write how Assamese copied or stoled it" - Wikipedia doesn't tolerate this type of language & can get a user banned, you're editing Wikipedia, not a random Facebook page. Incase you didn't know 'Mekhala' refers to the skirt worn by women across Northeast India. Naga people aren't the only people to wear it, there's Meitei Mekhala, Mizo Mekhala, Tangsa Mekhela etc. Claiming it as Naga origin is nothing but a biased claim which can never be backed by citations.
- So, keep your ethnic nationalism out of Wikipedia, you're welcome to do construction editing that are backed by citations alongside various editors, as Wikipedia is a group effort which is what keeps Wikipedia neutral. Tizen03 (talk) 11:21, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- From whom did the Mekhala originated?? It doesnot seems it originated from the Assamese but from other ethnic groups , why not create a Mekhala page and add Mekhala Sador as a subdivision to it, certainly Assamese didnot create it, Mekhala Sador is a variant of Mekhala, the Assamese didnot knew how to make Alaya12345 (talk) 11:41, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- That is an article exclusively made for 'Mekhala Sador'. Other 'Mekhala' can have their own respective articles. And mekhela clearly didn't originated from Nagas, that's a fact. It is worn by various people from different ethnicities across Northeast India. Almost all major ethnicities of NE India have their version of Mekhala, not just Nagas.
- "the Assamese didnot knew how to make" - this is why Wikipedia requires citations. How will you back this statement up ? Tizen03 (talk) 11:52, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Even assamese isnt a single entity , there are Nagas who have converted and became Assamese , it is well known that the 2nd Borphukan was a Naga which the king gave him the position, did Mekhala originated from Jalia Kaibarta who are found in Orissa and Jharkhand, did similar thing like Mekhala exist in Orissa or did it originated from the Brahmin community Alaya12345 (talk) 11:58, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Also Who is Assamese isnt defined yet, Assamese is 20th century British creation and mostly referred to people of Upper Assam because they looked like Chinese hence the ese in the end, Bodo, Mishing, Karbi dont consider themselves Assamese, can you define who are the Assamese Alaya12345 (talk) 12:02, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Alaya12345: I'll just repeat this - "the Assamese didnot knew how to make" - How will you back this statement up ? Any citations ?
- And nobody's here for your story telling, do you have any citations to back that line ? This is Wikipedia not Facebook, provide reliable citations or don't bother. Now I'll assume you're a Bodo nationalist. Keep your personal vendetta for Assamese people out of Wikipedia. You can continue those in Facebook and other social media, not here. Tizen03 (talk) 12:08, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well did a heterogeneous community like Assamese created Mekhala Sador, is Ali Ai Ligang festival part of Assamese or Mishing, is Busu Dima part of Assamese or Dimasa, is Me-Dam-Me-Phi festival part of Ahom or Assamese, please write down from which Assamese or non Assamese commnunity the Mekhala originated, you cant claim a heterogeneous commnunity like Assamese to give rise to Mekhala, that will make no sense, did Mekhala originated from Jalia Kaibarta, Chandala community. Alaya12345 (talk) 12:17, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sarania Kachari who were originally Boro people also became a part of Assamese people, & your point being ? Provide citations to back your claims or don't bother on Wikipedia.
- "that will make no sense" - you're neither an anthropologist nor a historian. Nobody asked you to think independently, it doesn't have to make sense to you. Here in Wikipedia you add information already provided by actual anthropologists or by actual scholars. Tizen03 (talk) 12:40, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well so Bodo make Riha and Assamese make Riha too, so where did riha originated from? Gun powder originated in China and transferred to other parts of the world , you can go through the page. Regarring Spaghetti, it originated in Italy , it isnt borrowed from China, but Mekhala as you said is wore by communities like Meitei, Mizo and Naga which are homogeneous commnunity and Assamese which isnt a single community, can you provide say from which Assamese or Non Assamese community did the Mekhala originated from, because it certainly didnot originate from the all commnunities under the bracket "Assamese". Mekhala as we know is a variation of original Mekhala found among Mizo, Nagas or Meitei, Assamese aren't the creator of this dress, please write the origins of it. The page should be moved to Mekhala because thats the origin and underneath that sections like Mekhala sador , Mizo Mekhala should be inserted. Can you tell from which Assamese word the term Mekhala originated, the Nagas and Mizo can certainly do Alaya12345 (talk) 13:18, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- The article 'Mekhala Sador' was created exclusively for Assamese Mekhala Sador. If you want then create an article for 'Naga Mekhela', as no one is stopping you from doing so. And don't argue here like a frustrated teenager. Why do you even want to add Naga Mekhala in Mekhala Sador ? Are you not capable of creating a separate article page for it ? A Google search about Mekhala Sador will result in Assamese Mekhala Sador, & similarly searching for Naga Mekhala will result in Naga Mekhala.
- "Can you tell from which Assamese word the term Mekhala originated, the Nagas and Mizo can certainly do" - are you purposely dumb ? Mizo, Meiteis etc don't even call it as 'Mekhala'. Mizos called it Mizo Puan. Mekhala is an Assamese word, Nagas called it Mekhala because of Nagamese creole, which is an Assamese based creole. There is no such thing as "Naga language" (that you kept adding in Eri silk article).
- You claim to know so much, then tell me which Mizo & Naga word did Mekhala originated from ? It was only the Assamese people who called these dresses as 'Mekhala' because it was similar to Assamese Mekhala. Mizos even today don't call it Mekhala unlike Nagas. Assamese people called every attire that was similar to their own Mekhala as "Mekhala". Mekhala worn by these people are very different from one another which is why it isn't considered same. Otherwise, terms like 'Mizo Mekhala' & 'Meitei Mekhala' wouldn't have existed. And here you're claiming Mekhala is a Mizo/Naga word ? Do you even know what you're talking about ?
- And Mizo and Naga aren't "homogeneous" community either. Mizo is a group of several similar Zo tribes grouped together also known as Chin-Kuki-Mizo, and similarly Naga is a group of several Naga tribes grouped together that speaks Nagamese/Assamese. Both Zo and Naga doesn't have a proper definition yet.
- Don't behave like a frustrated Boro nationalist here. This isn't Facebook where you're arguing in the comment section. Tizen03 (talk) 14:44, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Tizen03: can you tell from from where the word mekhela orginated and from where the Riha of the Assamese people orginated!! Alaya12345 (talk) 15:04, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- You wrote this - "Can you tell from which Assamese word the term Mekhala originated, the Nagas and Mizo can certainly do". So answer me this first, which Mizo/Naga word is Mekhala from ? Tizen03 (talk) 15:08, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- If Mekhala is originated in the 19th century Assamese people, can you tell me which did word it originated!! Alaya12345 (talk) 15:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- You will get you answer when you answer me this first - which Mizo/Naga word is the word Mekhala from ? Don't change the topic now. Answer that first. Tizen03 (talk) 15:11, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well you certainly know where Assamese people got Riha from!! Alaya12345 (talk) 15:12, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Don't change the topic now, answer that first. We were clearly talking about Mekhala not Riha, don't try to gaslight now by changing the topic to Riha. So which Mizo/Naga word is the word Mekhala from again ? If you can't answer that don't even bother to reply. Are all Boro nationalists dumb & frustrated like you ? Tizen03 (talk) 15:14, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well it would be pretty easy, you have claimed all along that it made by the "Assamese community" can you just say from which Assamese word it originated!! Alaya12345 (talk) 15:40, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Don't change the topic now, answer that first. We were clearly talking about Mekhala not Riha, don't try to gaslight now by changing the topic to Riha. So which Mizo/Naga word is the word Mekhala from again ? If you can't answer that don't even bother to reply. Are all Boro nationalists dumb & frustrated like you ? Tizen03 (talk) 15:14, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Tizen03: can you tell from from where the word mekhela orginated and from where the Riha of the Assamese people orginated!! Alaya12345 (talk) 15:04, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well so Bodo make Riha and Assamese make Riha too, so where did riha originated from? Gun powder originated in China and transferred to other parts of the world , you can go through the page. Regarring Spaghetti, it originated in Italy , it isnt borrowed from China, but Mekhala as you said is wore by communities like Meitei, Mizo and Naga which are homogeneous commnunity and Assamese which isnt a single community, can you provide say from which Assamese or Non Assamese community did the Mekhala originated from, because it certainly didnot originate from the all commnunities under the bracket "Assamese". Mekhala as we know is a variation of original Mekhala found among Mizo, Nagas or Meitei, Assamese aren't the creator of this dress, please write the origins of it. The page should be moved to Mekhala because thats the origin and underneath that sections like Mekhala sador , Mizo Mekhala should be inserted. Can you tell from which Assamese word the term Mekhala originated, the Nagas and Mizo can certainly do Alaya12345 (talk) 13:18, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well did a heterogeneous community like Assamese created Mekhala Sador, is Ali Ai Ligang festival part of Assamese or Mishing, is Busu Dima part of Assamese or Dimasa, is Me-Dam-Me-Phi festival part of Ahom or Assamese, please write down from which Assamese or non Assamese commnunity the Mekhala originated, you cant claim a heterogeneous commnunity like Assamese to give rise to Mekhala, that will make no sense, did Mekhala originated from Jalia Kaibarta, Chandala community. Alaya12345 (talk) 12:17, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Even assamese isnt a single entity , there are Nagas who have converted and became Assamese , it is well known that the 2nd Borphukan was a Naga which the king gave him the position, did Mekhala originated from Jalia Kaibarta who are found in Orissa and Jharkhand, did similar thing like Mekhala exist in Orissa or did it originated from the Brahmin community Alaya12345 (talk) 11:58, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- From whom did the Mekhala originated?? It doesnot seems it originated from the Assamese but from other ethnic groups , why not create a Mekhala page and add Mekhala Sador as a subdivision to it, certainly Assamese didnot create it, Mekhala Sador is a variant of Mekhala, the Assamese didnot knew how to make Alaya12345 (talk) 11:41, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Tizen03: Mekhala Sador evolved from Mekhala not the other way around , move this page to Mekhala and write how Assamese copied or stoled it Alaya12345 (talk) 11:06, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Create a separate Naga Mekhala article backed by citations, but don't merge it with Mekhala Sador, as these are two separate attires. No one here is arguing about its origin, in its current form these are two separate things which is what the article is about. And gunpowder of Ottoman empire or Mughal empire aren't any different from China's, so a bad analogy. Noodles from China and Spaghetti from Italy aren't considered the same for a reason. Tizen03 (talk) 10:44, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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