User talk:Anupam/Archive 2

Hi Anupam

Happy New year Pls help me to circulate this appeal- if any body/ or few of You brilliants who reside in North India can tell me about newspapers in India like Punjab Kesari, Dainik Bhaskar , Rajasthan Patrika , Navjyoti ? or few famous news papers of Jaipur , Rajasthan , Punjab Their circulation or popularity . & if any body of you know Hindi. or interested to explore different/ all or specific religion , philosophy , poetry etc . I want your help to translate some few 50 line of Hindi news to English. Pls. Gift your name to me on my talk page please Regards - --Dralansun (talk) 15:51, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Canvass

Hi Anupam, I just wanted to drop you line about your post on my talk page... it was unnecessary as I have the OWU pages watched... that being said, your requests for input is actually a violation of wp:canvass because you are only contacting people who share your perspective.Balloonman (talk) 02:41, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

PS I just posted a warning to both you and luckyowu on the OWU talk page... if you two continue this edit war, you may be blocked.Balloonman (talk) 03:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Taskforce

Yaar nobody replies when I post requesting for people to create a Taskforce. :(
I have also asked for people asking to create a WP:uttar pradesh and rather just create a WP for all the states of India(since anyway we have it for some of them) and let people join at different rates.Maquahuitl (talk) 11:59, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually on second thoughts, I am more interested in having a Taskforce of Hindustani and allied languages(Hindi, Urdu and Hindi languages, foreign Hindi languages, creoles, etc.). Since yesterday I have been browsing through Hindustani-related articles and besides being in a dispute related to the material, they are in a big mess in their categorisation. Categories are recursively defined, and there are several garbage pages and other pages whose titles must be changed. Here is my navigation box for Hindustani:

Maquahuitl (talk) 18:14, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Please have a look at the message posted on my talk page by Tuncrypt, and then his reply to my reply to it on his talk page. He just talks arrogantly, and even though I took care to deal his points carefully, he says "most of what you've said is incomprehensible and nonsensical anyway". This kind of attitude will only make new contributors like me disgusted, and we're just going to leave wikipedia instead of facing humiliation. Administrators should help new people groomed in the environment of wikipedia rather than blackmailing people that "your changes and templates will be deleted". Even after asking him to talk to me as a friend, he was more interested in showing his arrogance. Maquahuitl (talk) 12:07, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

What difference does my so-called arrogance make as to what's right and wrong? That's what at issue. If you go around being sore all the time, worrying about getting your feelings hurt, you're not going to get much done.

And so it's true, pretty much everything in your replies to my points does "veer off into the inconsequential and incomprehensibly nonsensical". Your reply to my first point simply repeats what I said in the first place. Your reply to my second point is even more senseless, where you're basically just talking to yourself. Third reply is not senseless, but nonetheless inaccurate. Hindustani is the shared colloquial base between what have become Hindi and Urdu. Trust me, I know this, I contribute heavily in linguistics, having much relevant academic material in my possession. Rather than Hindustani > Hindi+Urdu, the correct scheme is as follows: "Western Hindi" > Khari Boli > Hindi+Urdu (in which H'stani is their shared colloq. base). Your reply to my fourth point again shows that you don't know what you're talking about. Here are your non-Khari Boli dialects. Lastly my fifth point was to point out that while Hindi and Urdu both have the same grammar and other things (being registers of Delhi's Khari Boli dialect), it is the general topic of literature that is the very thing that constitutes their differences, so naturally grouping literatures together as such would be the most incomprehensible thing of all. As for Premchand, classifying him as both an author of Hindi and Urdu is not silly; that is what he was. He didn't classify himself, nor others him, as an "author of Hindustani". When one wants to express thoughts beyond the most basic, one must delve into Urdu or Hindi. Overall it would seem that the confusion lies between the terms "Khari Boli" and "Hindustani". Khari Boli is a dialect, a grammatical construct, not necessarily concerned with choices of higher vocabulary, and so it is the thing under which Urdu and Modern Standard Hindi can be subsumed, while Hindustani is concerned with vocabulary, specified shared colloquial vocabulary, and so it falls as a term to describe parts of Hindi and Urdu, not the other way around.

As stated in my reply, I hope to tackle the inaccurately inflated status accorded to "Hindustani" on Wikipedia. For example, a page like this need not exist. As I've said before, "Hindustani" is not a literary language but a shared colloquial basis of others, and more importantly, these things can be, and for the most part are, dealt with on the respective Urdu and Devanagari pages. Overall the Hindi/Urdu domain of pages are very much a mess. Tuncrypt (talk) 18:01, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanx

Lots of thanks for your compliment for portal Uttar Pradesh.
Sayed Mohd Faiz Haider Rizvi (talk) 12:54, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks a lot for your supportive words, or else my confidence and enthusiasm would have taken a severe beating.

The most important issue that we need to discuss and understand is the semantics of the word, or rather the term, 'Hindustani'. That includes historical usages as well. I will write about this on the main talk on the India discussion page; please check there as well.
You said something: Before the partition of India, Hindustani traces itself back to Hindavi Now I don't know how much of this is true. Before this sentence you said that Hindi and Urdu derive from Hindustani. Now Hindustani itself derives from Hindavi. As far as my knowledge goes, before the development of the Sanskritised standard in the late 19th century, Hindi, Urdu, Hindustani, Hindavi all referred to the same language and the particular form, which now is known as Urdu. I am not sure who used the term khadiboli. It is obvious from the term itself that Mughals surely wouldn't have used it since for them it would have made little sense what khadi is in the boli(khadiboli means rougher dialect). It would surely have come from native people in regions who were in constant touch with the people of the region speaking khadiboli- their immediate neighbours, who could have been either Awadhi speaking, to the East, or Braj bhashis, to the South. Now I really don't understand what Hindavi means and if it means some thing already considered, then who used it.
Regarding your quoted statement from the North Carolina Univ., I agree to the Hindi part, i.e. that Hindi was "chosen" from a "base" of Hindustani with Sanskrit vocabulary, specifically. However, the statement tells little about the fact that Urdu as a standard was already well-established at that time and therefore for Pakistan, distinguishing between Hindustani and Urdu made little sense. In fact it was in India where it took some time after independence for people to accept the term Hindi and say it to be their mother tongue. See the bottom of this link from GoI- I hope you understand this subtle point I am trying to make. Maquahuitl (talk) 20:42, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

What I meant by my sentence was that Hindavi was an earlier name for Hindustani

Yes, therefore I shall just be tagging those articles right now, and the discussion about the actual merger, etc. can keep going on. Apart from that, I hope you must have noticed that Tuncrypt has overwritten my box entitled "Topics related to Hindustani(Hindi-Urdu) diasystem" to "Topics related to Hindi". So now Hindustani topics is actually a redirect to Hindi topics. I say keep all arguments and debates on Hindustani, Hindi, Urdu, etc. aside, couldn't there have been just more boxes as it pleased- i.e. a "Hindi" box and an "Urdu" box by him, and then a discussion on the usage and utility of all three could have been carried out. Why was there a need to overwrite the box which I created. I found an interesting page in the Wikipedia namespace, see if you find it interesting too. Maquahuitl (talk) 11:26, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Mangarpal

Another editor has added the "{{prod}}" template to the article Mangarpal, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the editor doesn't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the article (see also Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia or discuss the relevant issues at its talk page. If you remove the {{prod}} template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. BJBot (talk) 16:29, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Hindustani and allied languages

I created the project page keeping in mind the fact that a coherent approach towards the Hindi languages and its associated creoles is needed. However I now doubt whether it will attract enough people. Moreover with so much of controversy surrounding Hindi,Urdu and the rest, I now doubt if it will be fruitful at all. Kindly delete the page if you agree with me, or please get it by someone else. I am sorry for the mistake. Maquahuitl (talk) 15:50, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Bihari people

Though the intention surely was reducing confusion, your merger of Biharis to Bihari people was probably not very appropriate. There are millions and millions of Bihari people living in Bihar, who should be identified as linguistic and geographic group. The Biharis/Bihari Muslims/Stranded Pakistanis ideally is identified as a political and religious entity. This is not a regular diaspora. Besides, over-riding the discussion (which is put to WP:RFC) and bringing is a completely new set of consideration without going through the problem first was slightly disruptive. May be you should participate in the discussion first. There are other editors taking part in the discussion, and there is no harm in being respectful to that community effort. Thanks. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 08:25, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to Indian Christianity WikiProject

Hello, Anupam , We have noticed your contributions and interest to the articles related to Indian Christianity. We feel you might also be interested in joining our WikiProject on Indian Christianity Articles on Wikipedia. We welcome you to join this project! Happy Editing! -Tinucherian (talk) 10:26, 24 February 2008 (UTC) An Useful guide for you :- Main Project Pages WikiProject Indian Christianity Project Page Parent Project Christianity Page How to Join the Project ? Add your name to Members Templates for the project The following templates can be used on pages in Wikipedia to associate them with the Indian Christianity WikiProject. Main templates {{portal|Christianity}} — Template to add to MAIN pages of all Christianity-related articles {{ChristianityWikiProject|indian-work-group=yes|class=|importance=}} : Template to add to TALK pages of all INDIAN Christianity-related articles {{User WikiProject IndianChristianity}} — Userbox for members to advertise our Indian Christainity Wiki project! [[Category:Christianity in India]] Category tag to Indian Christainity related articles. {{subst:Welcome2WP-IC}} Welcome msg to New Members. {{subst:Invitation2WP-IC}} Invitation msg to Interested Users Stub templates {{Christianity-stub}} — Stub template for Christianity-related articles {{Saint-stub}} — Tag to add to saint-related stubs {{Church-stub}} — Tag to add to church building stubs What Should I do ?? These are lots of things you can do to improve the quality of Wikipedia coverage of Indian Christianity and this project :- Place the WPChristianity banner {{ChristianityWikiProject|indian-work-group=yes|class=|importance=}} on the head of Talk Pages of relavent articles. Help and contribute to Indian Christanity related Articles. Identify and Add Catergories to All related articles. Work on requested articles. Look over the recent changes list for recent improvements to articles, other changes, and vandalism. Attract interested Wikipedians in Indian Christianity ,its history and other related topics. Welcome New Members. Improve the WPChristianity banner that goes at the head of Talk Pages to handle tags for unreferenced, copyedit needed, cleanup needed, expansion needed, and POV warning. Article Review, for articles nominated by members for wider review. In this case the new ones go at the top and sink as new ones are added.(see here). Add more reward templates (barnstars), and have people in the task force actually watching logs and rewarding key contributors to the project. Help in Assessment of relavent articles. Give help on Open tasks Build and contribute to Portal:Indian Christianity. Watch Talk page for related discussions. To write as many Did you know articles as possible related to Indian Christianity. To produce as many Featured Articles and Good articles as possible related to Indian Christianity. Join and help the main project of WikiProject Christianity . Thank you !

Indo-Iranian template

Please have a look at Template:Indo-Iranian_languages which has had major contributions from a user called Zaheen. I've posted some comments on his talk page. Kindly have a look. I was reluctant to make changes so as not to get into a clash with someone again. Maquahuitl^talk! 15:42, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films coordinator elections

The WikiProject Films coordinator selection process is starting. We are aiming to elect five coordinators to serve for the next six months; if you are interested in running, please sign up here by March 28! Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 10:15, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Romani people in India?

Salaam! I just noticed that you had added an estimate on the Roma people article for the number of Romanies in India, nearly a year ago [1]. I know it's sourced, but it's based on the number of Banjara in India. The Banjara aren't Romani per se, though they may be closely related. According to Prof. Hancock, at least, there are no Romanies known to live in India.

Anyway, I was just wondering whether it would be OK if I removed that estimate. --Kuaichik (talk) 00:22, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I thought this might be the reason. I suspect that is a mistake on the part of that website, but I could be wrong :-P

I would guess the Banjara could easily be confused with Romanies, because they are thought to be closely related. In Prof. Hancock's theory, the Romanies are descended (partly) from Rajputs whom the Ghaznavids took as prisoners of war. The Banjara have a legend that they, too, are descended from Rajputs who fought against the Ghaznavids.

In fact, apparently part of the legend says that some of the Rajput soldiers left (as prisoners) through the Hindu Kush, and those who remained in India formed the Banjara "tribe." Presumably, the Romanies are descended from those who left.

So the Banjara are thought to be closely related to the Romanies, but they aren't quite Romanies. There probably are actual Romanies in India as well, because the Portuguese deported many Romanies to their colonies, including their colonies in India. No one seems to know what became of them, though. --Kuaichik (talk) 16:46, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, too! I'll see what I can do :) --Kuaichik (talk) 19:33, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Done :) --Kuaichik (talk) 20:49, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, so much for that! [2] I discuss the change with you (who put it up in the first place), we agree, and then this Romanian guy reverts me without bothering to read!

Not that I think there's anything we can do about it. He almost never listens to me; in fact, he rarely listens to anyone but those who always agree with him. I just thought I'd point this out anyway. --Kuaichik (talk) 17:31, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, OK. Thanks again! :) --Kuaichik (talk) 04:54, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the Welcome

Hi thanks for the welcome note. I hope I can be helpful too. Melenge... मिलेंग... ...ملیں گے -- EhsanQ (talk) 12:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Pakistan needs you

I saw your name listed at the WikiProject Pakistan's member page. With your recent interests in Bollywood movies, I see you are contributing little to project changes. Why not make a contribution towards WikiProject Pakistan. In the main navigation on the right-hand-side, you may find a link to Cinema in Pakistan. Why not start that WikiProject. Please leave a comment here to demonstrate your interest.

For some time, we have been able to make significant changes on the Wikipedia pages relating to Pakistan and have had mixed success but lesser input. It is time that all the members join their heads together and come up with exciting ways to work on the project. I hope to see you around on WikiProject Pakistan. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arunreginald (talk • contribs) 15:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Pakistani articles

You should be aware that the there were significant Muslim population in Indian states of Bihar, Uttar Pradesh etc before migration to Pakistan from India in 1947. Likewise Punjab and Sindh province of Pakistan had Hindu population. Just comparing Uttar Pradesh or Bihar article to Saraiki people that you reverted as vandalism is surprising. Since there is no mention of 25-33% Muslim population migrating to Pakistan. While Pakistani pages have inundated with Indian POV. My changes in Khan Abdul Jabbar Khan‎ and Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan have also been revertes as vandalism. You have to expalin your motives. I will be be reverting your changes in few days if don't get any reply. Misaq Rabab (talk) 22:36, 10 May 2008 (UTC) ‎

WikiProject Pakistan

WikiProject Pakistan Newsletter

Shi'a-Sunni sectarianism! What next?

Wikipedia has always had its fair share of disputes. The issues surrounding debates like creationism-evolutionism had been a source of many edit wars. But recently enough, the ball-of-chaos had landed in our very own court. Pakistani issues are now polluted with a new sectarianism, especially the biographical articles celebrating some of the most influential people in Pakistani politics. These edit wars annoyed administrators who had no idea how the problems should be dealt with. Instances of religious inclination (either Shi'a Islam or Sunni Islam) were changed from one or the other. Debates have kicked off on the WP Pakistan talk page. Recently enough, a new policy has come into discussion (actually, it's just a set of rules) that defines major guidlines for such issues. It now awaits votes from all Pakistani editors.

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In other news: Akhtar Hameed Khan has finally reached the FA status and Islescape is the happiest person on Earth.

Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Bot_Assisted_Assessment

FYI. Inviting Thoughts -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 05:04, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Selective Vandalism on Urdu page

Hi, Thougth that you should know about this: Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Eios1234. --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 10:10, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Fariduddin Ganjshakar

Baba Farid was a Muslim saint (1173–1266) while Sikhism was founded by Nanak (1469–1538), Baba Farid was dead for 400 years before Sikhism was even founded. How can he be a Sikh ? The Sikh gurus took his selective works added into Granth Sahib and revered him. The fact remain he was Muslim saint. There is a section in Fariduddin Ganjshakar page about his reverence in Sikhism. Paknur (talk) 12:10, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I checked other Sikh Bhagats in Category:Sikh Bhagats they do not have their name in Gurmukhi script. Fariduddin Ganjshakar page has his name in Gurmukhi script in the Sikhism and Baba Farid section with the links. Paknur (talk) 09:55, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject India Newsletter Volume III, Issue no. 001 - June 2008

Project News Tag & Assess 2008, an assessment drive initiated by the assessment department began on June 7, 2008 and will be running until July 2008. Many Wikipedians have started contributing to this mammoth task. This housekeeping activity will help manage articles in better way. You can also get involved! Bot Assisted Assessment was successfully done using Bot0612 in May 2008. 1744 articles (18.5%) of all India unassessed articles were marked if they had been assessed by some other project. What's Featured and Good? Five new articles were promoted to featured article status in 2008: Western Chalukya architecture, 2007 Samjhauta Express bombings, Akhtar Hameed Khan, Preity Zinta, Kannada literature in the Vijayanagara Empire. Two new lists were given featured list status in 2008: List of international cricket centuries by Sachin Tendulkar, List of Victoria Cross recipients by nationality. There is currently one Indian article as a featured article nominee. Two more articles, (Bengali language, Kazi Nazrul Islam) are undergoing featured article reviews. You could help save these two articles by leaving your comments or assisting the involved editors. Three articles are undergoing good article nominations: Anekantavada, A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada and Santosh Subramaniam. IPL was hot on Wikipedia too!!! During the tournament, the article was among the most frequently edited articles. It is currently the only Indian article in top 100, occupying 58th spot. Do you know of an article that is currently underrated? If so, please nominate the article at the Assessment Department's request for assessment. This will allow our project to get a better idea of the quality of our articles. Article statistics and to-do lists Article Statistics Make visible or invisible by clicking Show or Hide, respectively. India articles Importance Top High Mid Low None Total Quality FA 19 20 16 10 8 73 FL 1 4 2 1 1 9 A 2 3 3 8 GA 4 5 7 12 16 44 B 87 128 194 153 263 825 Start 74 208 530 946 2730 4488 Stub 36 159 428 2540 18644 21807 List 360 360 Assessed 221 526 1180 3665 22022 27614 Unassessed 1 7 46 92 12815 12961 Total 222 533 1226 3757 34837 40575 Complete To-Do List Make visible or invisible by clicking Show or Hide, respectively. India-related tasks | Indian noticeboard Requests: Sibichen K Mathew, Dominic Emmanuel, AK Merchant, Counterfeiting of currency notes in India, Akhand Pratap Singh, Asura (band), Asian Variety Show, Cultural liberalism in India, India Export Tax, India Import Tax, More... NPOV: Greater Nepal Rajneesh, Ranjit Lal Jetley Hedgewar, Puttanna Kanagal, Bride burning, Sonia Gandhi More... Wikify: Railway stations, Mahavidwan R. Raghava Iyengar, Silk in the Indian subcontinent, IDBI Bank More... Cleanup: , Rampur, Tav-Prasad Savaiye, Shipping Corporation of India, Velama, Medical college (India), All India Radio, More... Merge: Raghava Rama, Sammar Bahisht, Sathya Sai Baba movement,More... Expand: Prime Minister of India, Krishna district, List of railway stations in India, Swaraj, Ashoka Kumar Thakur vs. Union of India (Supreme Court Case), Barak Missile Deal Scandal, 14th Lok Sabha, Adithada, Ali Sardar Jafri, Bandhani work, Bhaiband, Chikan (embroidery), China Town, Kolkata, Rahi Masoom Raza, Energy policy of India, Essar Shipping, Fair use, Hinduism in India, Imperial Bank, Inbuan Wrestling, Iran-India relations, Islam in India, Arjuna award, Sunil Mittal, Save Indian Family, Anjana Sukhani, Rajendra K. Pachauri, More... Stubs: Anand Math, A R Antule, Arjuna award, Army of India, Bapudeva Sastri, Bombay Dyeing, Indian Copyright Act, Marimallappa, Mumbai Skywalk, More... Translate: Bhojpuri Wikipedia articles, Maithili Wikipedia articles, Telugu Wikipedia articles, Marathi Wikipedia articles, Hindi Wikipedia articles, Sanskrit Wikipedia articles, Tamil Wikipedia articles Kannada Wikipedia articles Collaborate: Collaborations of the Month, Notice board, Category Adoptions To do, Version 1.0 assessment, India Portal, Life in India, India quick links Indian Wikipedians, More... Requested images: Ilaiyaraaja, M. S. Subbulakshmi, R. K. Narayan, Free image of Aarti Chhabria Other requests: Add maps from WikiProject India Maps to articles of Indian regions found at List of regions in India Create links/categories to {{Elections in India}} template

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WP:PAK Newsletter

10:52, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Beauties and PR

If you were lucky enough to watch that episode on Nadia Khan's show on Geo TV where Sonia Ahmed and Mahleej Sarkari were invited, you'd know that the Miss Pakistan World pageant is really the hype. At least, when it comes to controversies, the organiser know where to bring the PR campaign. Their serious POV edits which have been proven to be made by the organisers and associates of the pageant are under debate at the article's deletion debate.

Follow-up on the last issue

In the last issue, we discussed about the sectarian issues that Pakistani articles were prone to. For an update, an advocate of the Shi'a faith and its prominent inclusion into the articles, LahoreKid has been banned for an indefinite period. In the process, a citation review project page was created for providing editors with a third-opinion on vague references.

For a in-depth coverage, read the talks here. Some news issues will be addressed shortly and new activities like contests and quizzes would be announced shortly as well.

Talking of sects...

I don't want to sound like a separatist, if I say that for the past few weeks the highest number of edits on anything related to Pakistan have been on articles that concerned Baluchistan. From major editions to the article on Quetta to the 1935 Balochistan earthquake tragedy.

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In other news: It is now important for editors to look into the logistics section for gaining or providing support for various things in the article such as graphics or copy-editing. So, if you need copy-editing of an article, or your article lacks a picture, please consult at this page.

Christianity WikiProject Newsletter - July 2008

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I-Post

Email to Postal Mail

A convenient free postal mail service which can deliver email messages all over Pakistan. Peoples can now use their email to send letters giving you another route to communicate with others who are not connected to the Internet in Pakistan.

In recent past Internet and e-mail have revolutionized the world of communications. But those who do not have easy access to Internet and e-mail facilities could not get benefits of this facility. In its endeavour to make the benefits of e-mail available to a common man, Al Tayyeb Group has introduced i-post service. By i-post all those who do not have computer or do not have access to Internet can send e-mail by Post Office or receive e-mail through a postman. Those who have access to Internet can also send i-post to those who do not have access to Internet.

Wikipedia should have an article on this social service & must be a part of WikiProject Pakistan.Please comments. --SaqibChaudhry (talk) 07:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Hindi spelling

Namaste Anupam,

At nl.wiktionary we had a little problem regarding the proper spelling of the names of months in Hindi. E.g. some people seem to write February just with a ph, others put the dot underneath to make it an f. Do you know if there is an official standard spelling for such things in Hindi? nl:wikt:Gebruiker:Jcwf (<=please answer here) Jcwf (talk) 14:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

A little personal Hindi question that I hope you'll want to answer

Sorry if this is not the kind of place to ask this kind of question, but there is no one I know personally to ask this Hindi question. I have a friend who is under the impression that both "मेरा" and "मैंने" means "my" in Hindi, but I learned that "मैंने" is the nominative form of "I" (obviously). My friend is an experienced native speaker of Punjabi and Hindi. Could it be that my friend is confusing Punjabi and Hindi? Or is it that "मैंने" can mean "my" in special circumstances? Thank you for your time and I apologize if this is an inappropriate question to ask on a Wikipedian's talk page.

YoshiroShin (talk) 19:16, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you.

YoshiroShin (talk) 18:49, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

A not-so-personal question about Nasta'liq! :-D

Salaam again! You know that vegetable that's called लौकी in Hindustani (or Hindi/Urdu)? How is its name written in Nasta'liq? Is it just لوكی, or is it something else?

I ask because I found the Hindi article and recently added it to calabash [3]. I was wondering whether the Urdu Wikipedia has an article on it. It may very well not have such an article; even on the Hindi Wikipedia, it's just a stub that says "This is a vegetable"! :-D --Kuaichik (talk) 06:46, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah, yes, I had looked for لوكی, too. I was just wondering whether maybe I should be looking for some other spelling! شكرِیه & शुक्रिया :) --Kuaichik (talk) 21:09, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Siraiki language

What are you doing with Siraiki .Have you any proof for wrong spelling of Siraiki (as Saraiki ) .Take pitty on this poor language —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.103.107.39 (talk) 16:22, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

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WikiProject Films roll call and coordinator elections

Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 03:17, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films coordinator elections - voting now open!

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Pashtun people

If it's not troubvle for you, can you please kep an eye on the info box on Pashtun people? I've added some nice pics of Afghan and Pakistani notable Pashtuns but someone (probably banned User:Beh-nam) is keep removing them.--119.30.69.117 (talk) 19:43, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Notice the above IP is a sock of indef-blocked of User:NisarKand, so please don't pay attention to what he asks --Enric Naval (talk) 22:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Punjabi language

HI Mr. Anupam, noticing your additions of Punjabi languages in Punjabi related topic is good, but Punjabi in the Gurmukhi script is good enough for India related subjects because it is most widely used in India. Shahmukhi would be just fine for Pakistan Punjabi topics. If you wanna write in all possible modes, the you would have to include Punjabi in Devanagari script too! I guess there's no need for that. Lets just have it in Hurmukhi for India subjects. Hope you don't mind sir. Regards, Layet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Layetkaur (talk • contribs) 15:53, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for standing up for the lil' guy. (Who, coincidentally, is Urdu speaking.) - azimsultan (talk) 21:04, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

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Freida Pinto

I am doing well. Hope you are fine !!!

For Heaven's sake, please archive your Talkpage, It's a complete mess.

• HINDI: I hope you know that the language which appears after the Name in Bold refers to the Mothertongue of the person. I don't know what made you feel Hindi is her mothertongue. She has no relation with Hindi. Unless and until, she has some native connection with Hindi, adding Hindi is not possible. Please do not add Hindi again as Hindi appearing there is out of question.

If you have added Hindi, because she has acted in a Hollywood-Bollywood Movie, then forget about it. Tomorrow, if she works in a Tamil, Telugu movie; that doesn't mean you add her name in Tamil, Telugu and make it a mess there.

• KONKANI: Yes, Konkani may be her mothertongue through her descent. She has some ancestral connection with Mangalore which she acknowledges. But her name is not Freida Pinto in Konkani. She belongs to the Mangalorean Catholic community. Her name is Freida Pinto only in English, not in Konkani. Remember, Mangalorean Catholcs have Konkani variants for their names, which differs from the English variant. Please read Mangalorean Catholics#Names and surnames for more information on variants. So, you'll have to find what's her name in Konkani first and then add it here. If you are not clear, please contact me. Kensplanet^T_C 11:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

References for wikipedia articles

Namaste Anupam, hope you are fine. Actually I was wondering something. I am interested in writing about the supposed Hindi languages. But the problem is that not much modern day books are available on these dialects, whether in Hindi or in English. I have managed to find some books, but they are all in Hindi and were probably written 20-30 years ago. They are stored in the Digital Library of India. So are non-English references acceptable for articles in English on Wikipedia? Maquahuitl^talk! 15:54, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Any clues?Maquahuitl^talk! 03:08, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

A lot of material about non-standard Hindi languages like Awadhi, Braj Bhasha, etc. is not available in English but only in Hindi. I don't know if that would be helpful. In any case there is hardly anything substantial about these languages on Wikipedia. Maquahuitl^talk! 08:42, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

(just passing by) I had some similar problems with spanish and italian sources. What I do is translating part of the text (just the relevant part, can be anywhere from one sentence to a whole paragraph) and posting it on the reference itself (if it's very short) or on the talk page (for long TL:DR parts) or both things (quote the most relevant sentence on the reference, and make a long explanation on the talk page for context). For an example, see Talk:Senyera#colours_vatican_flag --Enric Naval (talk) 15:56, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Reply

I see you replied to my message on User talk:Azimsultan. You have an answer from me on that talk page. Regards, Shahid • ^Talk2me 09:47, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Holy Thursday

There's no consensus to use Maundy Thursday as the title as you can see on the talk page. I am getting an administrator to make the move.MusicInTheHouse (talk) 18:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - April 2009

Talk:Maundy Thursday

I suggest we remove my last comment and your response from Talk:Maundy Thursday as it's metadiscussion (discussion about the discussion, a perennial blight on Wikipedia) rather than discussion about the matter. I should have dropped a friendly note on your talk page rather than taking issue there. Thanks and good wishes. --Boston (talk) 21:49, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

• Ah nevermind. If we removed it now subsequent comments would be disjointed. --Boston (talk) 22:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Farooq Bakshi AFD

Hello, I am looking for some advices on an AFD about an urdu poet, and I was wondering if you could help. The article about Farooq Bakshi, who is apparently a famous urdu poet, has recently been nominated for deletion because there's almost nothing about him on Google. The author of the article argues that it is because most of the Urdu newspapers don't have websites, and therefore any awards or news about Farooq Bakshi can't be on the internet. However, I'm thinking that by searching for him in Urdu on Google or on BBC Urdu, it should be possible to find something about him. Please can you help or provide advices on this issue? Thank you, Laurent (talk) 18:56, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

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Pashto language

There is a problem with saying that Pashto is called Kabuli. Kabuli most often refers to the Persian dialect spoken in Kabul. I could understand that an Indian census would not discriminate between various Iranian languages, but I don't think that the reference you supplied clearly says that Pashto is referred to as Kabuli. Thoughts ? --Bejnar (talk) 21:47, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I still don't think that one conglomeration (Afghani/Kabuli/Pashto) by the Indian Census constitutes an adequate basis for an encyclopedic statement that Kabuli is an alternate name for Pashto. In looking at the Ethnologue entry that you provided, I see that it distinguishes PASHTU: Kabuli language from:

Pashto, Southern: Kandahar Pashto,

Pashto, Southern: Qandahar Pashto,

Pashto, Southern: Quetta Pashto,

Pashto, Southern: Southeastern Pashto,,

Pashto, Southern: Southwestern Pashto,

PASHTU: Baluchi, and

PASHTU: Western

The article also notes that some users don't distinguish between PASHTU: Kabuli language and Farsi, Eastern: Dari: Kabuli. The fact that some people don't distinguish, is different than saying that one thing is called another. I do not think that a strong case can be made for calling Pashto by the name Kabuli. --Bejnar (talk) 22:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

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WikiProject India Newsletter, Volume IV, Issue 1 – June 2009

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Pashto & Kabuli

Your claim that "Pashto" and "Kabuli" are synonyms is totally wrong. In fact, you are being contradicted by the Encyclopaedia Iranica, and I doubt that you can find any scholastic or official source that could eventually support your claim. "Kabuli" is the name of a very unique standardized dialect of the Persian language - this is confirmed in the Encyclopaedia Iranica. I frankly ask you to revert that false claim from the intro. Because even if your claim is true, i.e. that Indians call the language "Kabuli" (and I doubt that!), it still does not justify a bold entry in the first sentence of the article. Yuo won't be able to find a single English source supporting this claim. Thank you. Tajik (talk) 20:23, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi Anupam. This is not about footnotes, it's about a totally wrong claim that is being established in the article. The equation of "Pashto" and "Kabuli" neither exists in Persian, nor in Pashto or - and that is the most important of all - in English. This is the English Wikipedia, and only the most common English expressions are to be used. The sources you provide are not realiable and do not fulfill the WP:SOURCE criteria. If the expression is common in Hindi or some other Indian language, then it should be mentioned in the respective Wikipedia. But not in this English language Wikipedia. The Encyclopaedia Iranica is a standard reference work of oriental studies, it is being published by the Columbia University, and it is directly contradicting your claim. "Kabuli" is a synonym for the Persian dialect of Kabul, the major language of the city. You won't be able to find one scholarly work - in english, Pashto, or Persian - that supports your claim. Tajik (talk) 20:35, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi and thanks for your comment. The source provided by Massagetae does not support his claim at all. It only says that the Pashto dialects in and near Kabul are designated "Kabuli". That is no surprise at all, because the word Kabuli is Persian for "from Kabul". That's also the reason why the Punjabi dialect of Afghan Hindus is called "Kabuli" and why the term is - almost exclusively - used as a synonym for the Persian dialect of Kabul. I do not understand why the term should be in the lead. It's not another name for Pashto, it is - at best - only the name of a certain dialect. That's like writing in the lead of the article English language that it is also known as "Texan" and "Baltimorese". Do you understand my point? Anyway, I had not deleted your info. I had moved it into the footnotes. The information simply is not as important as to be inserted in bold letters in the first sentence. Unless you cannot come up with really good sources that would support your claim that it is an established synonym for Pashto (which it is NOT), I will put it back into the footnotes. Tajik (talk) 23:13, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - July 2009

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Archives  |  Tip Line  |  Editors The Christianity WikiProject Newsletter Issue X - July 2009 Project news The Christianity project and its related projects currently have 76 FAs, 8 FLs, and 148 GAs. We gained new recognized content in each field, with 4 FAs promoted, 2 FLs, and 3 GAs. Congratulations and a big thank you to all those who worked on these articles! Member news It was a big month for new members, with User:RandomNumberSee, User:Per Ardua, User:Muzhogg, User:Arlen22, User:Scotchorama, and User:Jaybird vt joining, bringing us up to 292 listed members. Thanks to you all, and a special welcome to our new members! Other news I am still working on the categorization matter. With any luck, we should have some results by the end of the month. There are also some discussions regarding project related activities at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/General Forum. One issue in particular that might be addressed is possible elections of new coordinators. Anyone interested in serving in such a capacity is more than welcome to indicate as much. Related projects news The WikiProject Films has recently created a new task force for Christian films. All interested parties are welcome to join and contribute. Member contest of the month The previous contests are still ongoing, because of the extreme amount of time the categorization is taking me. Anyone who can bring any of the few Stub class articles among the project's 1000 most often accessed articles by the end of July will get an award. Please see the details Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Christianity#Project challenge of the month. Christianity related news Pennsylvania Amish farmer jailed for outhouse violations Obama expands Bush's faith-based initiatives Relics of 39 saints found by British Museum From the Members Welcome to the Tenth issue of the WikiProject Christianity newsletter! Use this newsletter as a mechanism to inform yourselves about progress at the project and please be inspired to take more active roles in what we do. It has been a long time since the last coordinators election. There is a lot for people to do, and I certainly would welcome seeing any individuals with an interest in such a position put themselves forward as candidates. I in particular would very much like to see some degree of "specialization" in the coordinators, so that, for instance, we might have someone knowledgable about some of the specific Christian faith traditions or other main subjects, like Orthodoxy, Lutheranism, Mormonism, the Jehovah's Witnesses, art, theology, and so on. If any parties who have experience with some of our faith- or- subject-based content would be interested in being candidates, I would love to see them do so. Please feel free to take part in the discussion regading what the minimum number of category items is, and how to deal with the non-qualifying categories, on the General Forum page. John Carter (talk) 23:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC) To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please list yourself in the appropriate section here. This newsletter is automatically delivered by ~~~~

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Can an article which is within Wikiproject India be nominated for deletion

Sir, There are several articles which are within wikiproject India, but some people have nominated them for deletion. Is this possible?

Please do visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1000_Crime_Quiz

I can give you more examples, if you need.

Regards A true wikipedian

Qaimganj

Regarding Qaimganj, I was just trying to resolve the situation where there were two copies of the article. If the other name is right then put it there. Gigs (talk) 14:43, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Proofreading

Hi there. Would you have time to please proofread this short Hindi article? Thanks very much.
Amsaim (talk) 17:09, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Reply: If Hindi is a Co official language then go and edit all the Indian articles. And Urdu is only a co-official foreign language in Guntur and Nellore of Coastal Andhra. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.66.46 (talk) 10:12, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Anupam ji. Please collect some proper facts as to where in India Urdu and Hindi are official languages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiMasterUser (talk • contribs) 10:37, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

List of Shia mosques in NCR tile translation

Hi,

I'm contacting you after long time(after 6 months).

Thanks for correcting translation of titles on List of Shia mosques in NCR.

I failed to to understand :

• Why you changed "بھارت" to "ہندوستان" in Urdu translation? and
• Why did you placed transliteration of Urdu text (i.e. "ہندوستان کی قومی داراُلحُکومت علاقے کی تشیع مسجدوں کی فہرست") in Hindi (i.e. "हिन्दुस्तान की क़ौमी दारुल हुकूमत इलाके की शिया मस्जिदों की फ़ेहरिस्त") by replacing Hindi translation (i.e. "भारत की राष्ट्रीय राजधानी छेत्र की शिया मस्जिदों की सूची")?

Hope to clear the situation!

--Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider^tc_s 07:08, 2 December 2009 (UTC)