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Agree with the third and first, but the second point varies and is always confusing on weather something could be rs or not. A good approach should be to count first the no Albanian-Greeks, provided that they dont give repeatetly wrong proven data (according to wiki articles), like Vickers in her 2002, 2007 papers (as per disc. page in Cham Albanians).

Considered that not only some Albanian and Greek are no-rs, there are many Turks (and maybe other) that have a non-rs approach on the topics (this is logical according the Turks).--Alexikoua (talk) 06:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

WW2 Greece template

Look, there is no page on the Këshilla, whilst there is an article on the whole "Chameria issue", which includes both the allegations of collaboration and their subsequent expulsion, all of which happened in Greece during WW2. As such, it is a far more comprehensive article, and that's why I insist on keeping that link. In Greece, the Chams have been, rightly or not, seen as having collaborated wholesale with the occupiers. I will gladly learn more about any Chams that joined EAM-ELAS, and please do add that info. But the former link really should remain, at least until a more relevant/specific article is created, as it encapsulates the whole issue, both of the collaboration and the consequences of it. There are already too many redlinks in the template... Cheers, Constantine ✍ 11:38, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm, OK, I am willing to let that stand for now, with one proviso: add a reference to the Këshilla in the Chameria issue article. Otherwise the link will be a misnomer, especially since the latter article assigns blanket blame on the Chams as a whole. Please bear in mind that, in contrast with terms like "Principality of Pindus" and "Okhrana", the Këshilla is virtually unknown in Greece (again, as noted, because the charge of collaboration is applied to the Chams as a whole), and, judging by the fact that a quick Google Books search came up with nothing, in international bibliography also. If you can provide sourced info on this (preferably in English), please do so. Cheers, Constantine ✍ 13:34, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Glad to be of help (and to dispel some biased but widely-held notions)! You are doing an excellent job on Albanian history. If you need any help, esp. with copyediting, please let me know. Best regards, Constantine ✍ 17:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, it is to be expected, if you don't use English every day. Don't let it bother you... :) Constantine ✍ 17:14, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

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Albanian word for the Summer savory

Hi Balkanian's word, do you know the Albanian words for the Satureja hortensis and for the thyme? I'm doing some background research on the Cham/Thyamis/Cimbru/Thymbra, and I can't find those Albanian words for those plants online yet. A from L.A. (talk) 23:01, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I found the Albanian words for the savory/summer savory, they are: Trumza, Thrumbisht, and Trumëza. The Albanian words for mint are Mendra and Nanea, the Albanian word for Thyme is Timus. It looks like I will have to pursue other lines of research for more clues; for example other instances where an Albanian ç corresponds to a Greek θ: if you recall or find any examples please share, so we can solve this mystery someday :) A from L.A. (talk) 12:20, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I just have to know and I see you're online, so excuse me, but do you know what plant is the çami i butë as it is apparently called in Albanian? I found it listed here, and i'm wondering whether it's related to Cham. A from L.A. (talk) 21:59, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Maybe it's a chimera that only exists in Wikipedia, however it's been listed in that article in the Albanian Wiki since that article was created in January 2005[1]. I'm guessing the plant exists, so I'll be trying to identify it, maybe ask the editor in the Albanian Wiki who added it, if he can read English. Luckily, he identified himself in the Albanian Wiki as being the same as User:Hipi Zhdripi in English Wiki, so I'll ask him, if he's still active. A from L.A. (talk) 22:28, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Could you help me out...

... with some cross-wiki admin business on sq-wiki? My attention was drawn to some rather weird things they do over there in terms of copyright, and I tried to contact one of their admins, but he rather rudely refused to talk to me in anything but Albanian (here). I've also raised the issue at Meta now (here) Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:02, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I just thought you could perhaps help with translating/mediating/getting them to listen/whatever. It seems the first guy I contacted was rather unwilling to listen, and I'm not quite sure how much of my English he really understood (although he has edited here on en-wiki, so I know he knows some.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:55, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Cham Albanians: plagiarism

Hello, I have the impression you may have used substantial amounts of text copied verbatim from your sources in Cham Albanians. (e.g., when I went through the text right now, I stumbled over the expression "Land once used by Chams to graze their huge flocks" and randomly googled for it...). Please never, ever, do that. I don't feel like going through the whole article myself now to check, you must know best what you copied from. These passages all need to be removed and rewritten. Please give that task highest priority, otherwise I'd end up having to blanket-revert the article to the state before you edited it. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:58, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

OK

I think we are moving on the same wavelength. I will post some info later on the Chams talk page with source.Politis (talk) 10:17, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

On the use of talk pages

Please don't use edit summaries as a substitute for the discussion pages. I reverted your change, because

  • It was written in poor english.
  • It removed content
  • You are currently engaged in an edit-war against two editors.

May I strongly suggest you refrain from modifying this particular article for the time being, lest your editing privileges be revoked? yandman 13:41, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Balkanian, I'm pretty certain you have broken 3RR many times over today. You want me to count? Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:48, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Cham Albanians

Sorry Balkanian, but I don't think I'll be able to help you right now with the Cham Albanians article (I am currently being "hunted down" if you get my drift). I'll be back, however, once things cool down. So far, I've read the disputes and think that the article needs further tempering. For better or worse, our collaborations have ultimately sparked a large amount interest regarding the Cham Albanians. Deucalionite (talk) 17:19, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I like the new dialect map

Thanks for adding this to the Albanian language page. It is a good map. Azalea pomp (talk) 19:35, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Albanian Map again

Hey, since your have a disclaimer about the map, I think that should be enough to let people know that the map implies dialects spoken and not concentration of speakers. Azalea pomp (talk) 20:03, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Small correction for map

It should read "The map does" not "The maps does". Thanks Azalea pomp (talk) 07:01, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I gave your map a quick fix. Azalea pomp (talk) 20:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Souliotes

Thank you but the albanisation of several Greece-related articles is out of my interest. Greetings! - Sthenel (talk) 14:24, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

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Souliotes

B.w., I'm trying to help you there. You have a dozen sources that call them Albanians? Yeah, the Greek editors will soon add up a dozen sources that call them Greeks. And they'll have some point there, because they truly were both. You can't push your maximalist Albanian-only version through like that, with your arvanitiko kefali. That way you'll soon be up alone edit-warring against a dozen nationalist Greeks. No chance. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:27, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

What are you doing?

Man, is this supposed to be some wiki-dance of Zalongo on your part? Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:17, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

chams

hey i didnt say they were just the communist regimes of albania thought they were read it again please its from miranda vickers a quoted source in the article85.74.200.72 (talk) 18:11, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

not at all the article has a lot about cham persecution so i thought id add it i personally dont support what either the rightwing in greece or the communists in albania did 85.74.200.72 (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

yes it has a few sentences about their persecution please read it 85.74.200.72 (talk) 18:17, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

nevermind even though youre wrong but wont admit it, just dont change the grammar and date change which are factual even if you remove that please 85.74.200.72 (talk) 18:25, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

youre a funny guy lol still youre pov but ok guy i guess 85.74.200.72 (talk) 18:58, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

sorry i meant ardit my bad85.74.200.72 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:24, 11 March 2009 (UTC).

relax all the bad blood around here damn lol i thought id relieve the tension85.74.200.72 (talk) 19:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi there friend. Just noticed that the ethnologic map of Albania changed colors in one region, did something happened in Pogon i dont now?Alexikoua (talk) 23:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Can you send me the the url? i have this [[2]] which speaks about Pogon too. Mentioning a 96,1% majority in some municipalities (Pogon included).Alexikoua (talk) 08:36, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

What exactly are you doing?

[3] how many times do you plan to move the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sadbuttrue92 (talk • contribs) 15:30, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Moving Greeks in Albania

Just a technical note: in the future, please never move a page by just copying and pasting its contents. It destroys the edit history. If the system won't let you do it with the move button because there's already some content at the target location, you need to ask an admin to do it for you. But it's okay, I've fixed it for now.

No objections against the move decision as such; it is indeed the most straightforward and unproblematic title. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:31, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Bad faith edits

I don't like the way you are continuously trying to find something wrong about the edits I make. This shows not only bad faith but also an agenda. I don't know if you are trying to Pov push or you actually have an agenda as such. However I don't like edit waring and my not going to engage with you in something like that. I understand WP:Policy and make useful contributions please stop bugging me.--Sadbuttrue92 (talk) 19:31, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Chams GAN

I do not have much time to go as thoroughly through the article as a GAN process requires, so I'll just write my main concerns here. As you know, the article must fulfill the GA criteria. Criteria 2 and 3 are certainly met. Criterion 1a needs some work; the article could do with some copyediting, esp. the second half, from a native-language editor. Criteria 4 and 5 are rather interrelated in this case. I have not followed the article very closely, but unless there is consensus with other editors of a different POV (e.g. Alexikoua) this nomination may face trouble. Personally, although the tone is sometimes too anti-Greek, I would consider it neutral in content. The one major thing that concerns me is the over-reliance on a single source (Vickers), esp. for the population estimates. Given the fact that a writer who specializes in writing on issues related to a single nation inevitably accrues some bias, I would strongly urge you to find another complementary source. Even if the estimates differ, you can then provide a range of estimates. Also, you need to check criterion 6 on images, especially their claimed fair use. For instance, File:Party for Justice and Integration logo.jpg needs fair use rationales, and that you created File:Chameria assosciation.jpg and File:Cham march.jpg somewhat strains belief. I know that copyright policies can be very annoying when you want to upload pictures to WP (I've faced that myself too often), but... Regards, Constantine ✍ 10:50, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

PS.: I would also get rid of the "see also" section, since the links contained therein are already present in the text (where that is not the case, you should insert them), and the four footnotes, which could and should be integrated into the text. There is no real reason for them being set apart like this. Cheers, Constantine ✍ 11:48, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Reverts...

Oh man. I guess you have broken 3RR again...

I'm not going to report you this time, because I genuinely don't want you to end up banned from these topics. We need some editor to represent an Albanian perspective on things from time to time, and you've been the first and only Albanian editor who has ever made halfway decent contributions in these fields in, like, ages. But could you please, please cut down on the reverting a bit?

Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:52, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Only estimations can be made, I suggest a 100-300 (or 110-280) range. I just added a number of sources in the disc. page, but the range is wide enough and no more precise results are possible. Most authors (like Winnifrith) give a 40-400 we can reduce it at 50%. Geia goodnight ;).Alexikoua (talk) 21:48, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

sure lets say: 35 in Albania (plus 5 like from Himara that are not counted)+ 189 in Greece (lets reduce it to 10 to avoid double counting)+ 45 a minimum est. in america, it makes 255.

another suggestion is to assume that all the ones in Albania are counted in Greece too (have the special id card), the total sum is 189 both in Albania and Greece (without doublecounting), plus a minimum 45 in america we have 234. See ya tommorowAlexikoua (talk) 22:17, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Reverting

Trouble is, the IP editor is, in principle, a legitimate contributor. He's sometimes nasty, he's certainly often uncooperative, but he's not a banned user nor a vandal, so no, you are not exempt from 3RR.

And, even if you feel such a user's contributions are blatantly vandalistic, please don't let yourself be dragged into a reverting duel. You can never win those. After two reverts at the most, please just report things to the admins and wait until you have assistance.

For now, I have done an emergency short-term protection (on the WRONG version, as usual), plus a short block for the IP, and a longer revert limitation.

Honestly, I would now like to place the same revert limitation on you too, because you too have been revert-warring far too much, and not just today. But I recognise I probably won't count as "uninvolved" enough in relation to you, having had so many content disputes, so I probably shouldn't enforce it myself. So, honest straightforward question: would you be willing to accept such a revert limitation voluntarily (1rv per 24hrs per article), or should I ask some other admin to impose it? Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:42, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid you didn't get my point: you weren't reverting vandalism. The other guys' edits may strike you as unconstructive, but vandalism they were not. You did break 3RR. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:12, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Botsaris

Hello, first of all congratulations for your edits on Albanian related articles, but I think you are overdoing placing Botsaris among Chams, take a look at the talk page and tell me your opinion, please.Kapnisma (talk) 23:59, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

You liked it, didn't you? :), I have more if you like, any way check Botsaris talk if you like.Kapnisma (talk) 12:02, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

S'kam ç'ti bej me teper se duhet dhe te iki tani. Siç kan ardhur punet duhen nja 20 veta qe te bejne rv:) Kjo pune merr fund vetem kur te bllokohen gjithe faqet qe kane te bejne me Shqiperine:). Nejse ti mos u ligeshto gjejme dhe te tjere per ate pune. P.S. kam shkruajtur dicka te lezetshme te Gjuha Ilire shihe pak e bej ndonje editim nese ndonje forme nuk eshte ne rregul;) Aigest (talk) 20:03, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Is this the correct translation? You call me slave? Are you serious? [5]] Kapnisma (talk) 20:34, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

First Greek -Albanian dictionary by Botsaris [1] the history behind is .. citing Marko Boçari (1790-1823), known in Greek as Markos Botzarês, a Suliot hero from the Greek wars, was also the author of a Greek-Albanian lexicon which he compiled in Corfu in 1809 at the urging of François Pouqueville (1770-1838), author himself and the French consul in Janina (Iôannina). The lexicon containing 1,494 Albanian lexemes and , while not of any particular literary significance, is important for our knowledge of the now extinct Suliot dialect of Albanian. It is preserved at the Bibliothèque Nationale in Paris (Supplément grec 251).

I think we should include this in his page. 80.78.64.202 (talk) 12:01, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Kačanik

Hi Balkanian`s word. I took the liberty to respectfully refactor a comment you made at that article's talk page, to improve readability (see diff.). Please, don't hesitate to restore your original format if you prefer it (or ask me to do it). - Best, Ev (talk) 14:48, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

FabioAbazaj

Shiko, nuk mbahem tek fjalet e nje regjizorit Serb, po puna eshte se keto te dhena nuk mund te gjehen dot ne faqe te tjera sepse qeveria shqiptare s'ka bere census qe ne 1989. Une mendoj se ato te dhenat jane ne pergjegjesi reale, sepse nga democratizimi i Shqiperise, rinia zgjedh fejen e saj me standartet europiane. Nuk them qe myslimanet u bene te gjithe Krishtere, por me te vertete shume veta nga familje myslimane bejn kete zgjedhje. Me duke se nuk munde te jem me i qarte...Po te mendosh edhe ti pak si Sarandiot, do shikosh qe ashtu i bije. Te lutem, duke menduar mire, respekto te dhenat qe futa ne faqen per Shqiptaret, sepse gjithe kete kohe kam shtuar shume gjera, si numrat e shqiptareve ne shtetet e botes...Prandaj... —Preceding unsigned comment added by FabioAbazaj (talk • contribs) 17:27, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


FabioAbazaj

Shiko tani...Sic e di une edhe sic e kam lexuar ne shume libra, Markos Botsaris ka qene Shqiptar Arvanitas qe ka bashkepunuar me Greket ne vitet e clirimit te tyre nga Turqit. Sic pashe, keni nje tip "debati"... Po te konsideronim qe Camet kane qene ne maxhorancen e tyre Myslimane, por qe ka pasur dhe Came Orthodox, atehere Markos Botsaris, ose Arvanitasit e tjere mund te konsiderohen edhe ata Came, duke qene Orthodox. Por eksiston nje problem sepse Camet edhe Arvanitasit ne Greqi nuk jane dalluar me njeri tjetrin si race, edhe ashtu jane mbajtur ne mend si nje ethni... Nuk e di nese jam i qarte, por me dy fjale, Camet Orthodox edhe Arvanitasit nuk dalloheshin sepse kishin te njeten fe... —Preceding unsigned comment added by FabioAbazaj (talk • contribs) 17:51, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Dear

Po të shkruaj shqip. Të lutem më kontakto në e-mailin:

elimpallmadhi@hotmail.com

Me respekt

Elim Xanxari

--Xanxari en. (talk) 13:28, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Cham Albanians

Thanks for contacting me, I'll look to review the article tonight or within the next few days. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 21:41, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

I was going to review this article tonight, but after seeing the last few discussions on the talk page, I'll wait until the issues being brought up have been resolved. Once those are completed, let me know and I'll review it. With a quick glance over the article, I'd recommend expanding the lead some more, making sure to touch on each section. There's a lot of content in the article, and it would benefit with a more-developed lead. Also some of the images are missing descriptions/sources/etc. Make sure to fill in these various fields, and if you have an account on Wikimedia Commons, consider moving them there as well. Again, let me know when everything has stabilized and I'll review it. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 03:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Dialect Chart

Nice chart, but where is the Transitional dialects? Azalea pomp (talk) 08:59, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Saranda

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Other sources on Botsaris

You forget to mention in the primary or secondary sources George Finlay which participated with Byron in Greek Revolution. He was a first eye witness of Souliotes and Botsaris for Souliotes as chams look here [6] but you can read all his work cause it is free on that link. Aigest (talk) 14:14, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

But at any time you can verify his claims and base part of the Souliotes story on his narrative story. Remember that he is depicting the stories of 1750 - 1800 when he was not even born. Maybe can be considered as primary for the events from 1821 when he went to fight for greece and later but not before taht time;). Anyway, in any debate which includes Macroyanis you can use him as primary source:) Aigest (talk) 14:27, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
There was a indication that he is a secondary source by Fut.Perf. on Talk:Souliotes, but maybe I will use him later on.:-)Balkanian`s word (talk) 14:50, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Believe it or not, it was not my intention to remove your source. By mistake, I used the wrong older version to restore my sources.--Yannismarou (talk) 15:26, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
I did not assume bad faith. If you feel offended, I apologize, and I'll rename the section. But, honestly, I really want to find this Academy of Athens and I will! Of course, a bit difficult from Brussels ... --Yannismarou (talk) 17:34, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Kidding!--Yannismarou (talk) 18:36, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
I have found references for Arvanit Manifesto of 1899 here [7] but it is in French. Look at the Souliotes talk page. Bests Aigest (talk) 11:24, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Please next time use new section toolbox:) I thought you were talking about illyrians:)lol Aigest (talk) 11:43, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
You may find this interesting [8] ;) Aigest (talk) 11:51, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Northern Epirus

Since you have been dealing with the author before, could you please ask him to stop this kind of propaganda here [[9]] I have never seen such a week article based on a paperwork (what kind of?!) and with wrong references, Borova? [10] [11] German winter offensive? [12] references to a book on anthropology 1878-1920 for a meeting of 1943? WTF ?!?! Aigest (talk) 07:32, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
What to remake? For the participation of Greek minority in National Liberation Front may be we can write smth, but everything else is pure propaganda.

P.S. no direct connection with above but I found [13] maybe latter you can find references for confirmation to include it in Cham page Aigest (talk) 09:50, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

re:Maro Bochvaro

LOL! Thanks for making me laugh, I really needed it after seeing this. It gave me shivers... I mean, personally, I've always thought we are over-reacting a bit over the name (esp. when we had imposed a blockade and refused any reference to "Macedonia"), but if people there really believe these things, then I am starting to sympathize with those who say they need a good whacking... God help us and them... Constantine ✍ 17:50, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I know what you mean... But seriously, I don't think any Greek who knows half a thing about history would deny (at least in private ;) ) that "Arvanites" are hellenized Albanians and not proud Greeks πάππου προς πάππου (the Greek identity has always been chiefly a cultural one, either way). Curiously, the ones who would dispute this most vehemently, in my experience, are Arvanite-descended people themselves, because they don't want any doubt cast on their "patriotic credentials"... As if anyone associated with Miaoulis or Botsaris needs to prove them. Whatever... Constantine ✍ 18:10, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
OK, I gave my 5c. PS, have you finished dding stuff to the "Cham Albanians" article? If so, I'd be willing to give it a thorough copyedit. Cheers, Constantine ✍ 19:02, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
No, Negush is the Slavic form of Naousa. In Greek, it would be Εξέγερση της Νάουσας, and, IIRC from a visit of mine there, the suppression of the revolt is actually called "Ολοκαύτωμα της Νάουσας", and there is a tale similar to the Zalongo dance, with the city's inhabitants dropping from the (quite spectacular) waterfalls... Constantine ✍ 20:10, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
I doubt anyone would ever search for the events as "Negush uprising", so the redirect isn't going to be of any value, as such. Personally, I prefer such blatantly POVish titles to be outright deleted, but I won't object if you go ahead and redirect. Only do so in the proper section, i.e. #REDIRECT [[Greek War of Independence#Macedonia]]. Constantine ✍ 20:20, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Χάρηκα παρεμπιπτόντως

Just for the record, we haven't interacted before so I hope that there are no hard feelings because of my somewhat harsh comments the other day. I hate being abnoxious but I also hate being insincere. At any rate καλή σου συνέχεια--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 20:00, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, would you mind telling me if you ever had a different user name? You don't need to answer if you don't want to, but I am racking my brain about something (it is pure curiosity no strings attached)--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 20:06, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for my indiscretion, but your first name along with one of a very good friend of mine Μπλερτάν are two of the most euphonic names I can think of. Pity you had to change it. I believe I bumped coincidentally at your facebook page the other day, that's why I asked. Although I occasionally disagree with your ways (and most certainly feel abhored by a good number of "independences" you endorse in your user page [LOL]) I would be more than happy to provide you with whatever I might have. I always thought of myself as the paragon of good faith (to the point of stupidity sometimes), but I may of course be wrong--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 20:18, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

No I didn't add you. I was looking for a friend through "search friends" and your name appeared along with many others. When I saw it I was somehow sure that I've seen it before. The discussionwith Yannis the other day, rang a bell and I just made the connection. I' ll add it now though!--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 20:28, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
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We have talked about the assimilation of the Souliotes in the related article. We don't know when it begun and when it finished (the lead says that it happens, could 1780,1800,1850,1900 who knows). About N. Zervas I believe that its enough to write that he is of souliot origin. If we have something specific that claims a mid 19 cent. change of ethnicity (national identity), its ok. Assimilation is a slow process (can take some generations), it would be right not to make it so chronologically specific.

What I personally believe is something that Vickers says (I don't know now the exact book) about fluid identities in some communities in Epirus (both Greek and Albanian parts).Alexikoua (talk) 20:06, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Sure I apologize, already did it (changed hellenized with integrated to the greek nation)Alexikoua (talk) 21:33, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Chameria's "Economy"

This is the same debate as with the "Administrative Subdivisions". Chameria is a historic/folk region, it does not have an "economy" and "infrastructure" any more than it has administrative subdivisons. Only clearly defined currentpolitical entities, such as countries, states, and provinces have economies. How can something with vague boundaries that belongs to history have an economy? How do you measure its' GDP and other economic indicators? It's the same reason Illyria, Thrace, Epirus (region) and Macedonia (region) do not have an economy section. History section, yes, Geography section (to dicuss boundaries), yes, Demographics section, ok. But "Economy" and "Administrative Subdivisions"? No way. Chameria belongs to history. There is no Chameria now, only Thesprotia and Preveza prefecture, so only they have an economy and infrastructure section. That's why i moved the economy and infrastructure sections there. Including such sections in Chameria might mislead someone into thinking that Chameria exists as a political, legally defined entity today, which is not the case (unless of course, that is your goal). You won't win this one, you'll see, just like you didn't with the "administrative subdivions" debate, so don't insist. It's the same principle. --Athenean (talk) 00:13, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

As for the Cham Albanians, all I did was change the wording to what vickers actually says. I can't understand why that isn't good enough for you. What you are proposing is a SYNTHesis of Vickers (the 40,000) with the Greek census (the 275,000), designed to show that Albanian speakers are a strong percentage of the region. Vickers says quite clearly "40,000 Albanian speakers in Epirus", and I don't see how it could be any clearer than that. --Athenean (talk) 00:16, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Albanians in Bulgaria

Hey there, I've been meaning to write a more complete overview of Albanian settlement in Bulgaria for a while, there's a lot more to add than just Mandritsa. I own a great source that has some great info about it all, but I somehow haven't got to writing the thing yet. I was thinking whether you have any other sources to share and whether you'd be willing to work together on this. The book that I have is Albanians in the Eastern Balkans by Boyan Gyuzelev and most (though not all) of it is available online. Todor→Bozhinov 08:41, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Awesome. I plan to start writing it around Orthodox Easter (this weekend) when I'll have some more spare time, hopefully. I'll let you know when I've got some of it done and would use your assistance. Thanks, Todor→Bozhinov 13:16, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Anastasios

Have you seen the discussion here.--Yannismarou (talk) 08:11, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Cham Albanians

Hello Balkanian! I am finally getting around to copyediting the article. A few questions will be added here, as I encounter them: "The Chams are a dialectological group formed in the region of Chameria" what exactly is the meaning of this phrase? Alone, it is quite ξεκάρφωτη ;) Is it meant to indicate that the Chams are not native, and that their dialect was formed in the region and not brought south during the migrations? If so, does this source mention a chronology for when the differentiation began? It would be useful to know it so that the phrase could be moved to a more appropriate location down the text. Regards, Constantine ✍ 15:19, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I guessed that much. The point is that alone, this sentence is pretty much valueless. We already know what it states. It would be useful if this publication could enlighten us as to when the differentiation took place. Constantine ✍ 15:41, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, I've majorly rewritten the first paragraph of the history section (some tweaks may yet come). What do you think of it? Constantine ✍ 15:51, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Braudel's quote "it lacked the church discipline; in the churches was not performed any religious ceremony, what meant that Christianity did not have deep roots there" is certainly not correct English. Where did you get it? If it has been machine translated, give me the original and I will translate it. Constantine ✍ 16:17, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I thought it'd be in French or something. Anyway, if it is from Isufi, then please change the citation. PS. out of curiosity, is there any evidence that any Albanians in Epirus converted to Catholicism? IIRC, it did happen in northern Albania... Constantine ✍ 16:35, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Kati allaxa. I saw a chronological confusion about past and present in the same paragraph, hope its more readable clarifying that it was in the past (maybe if we write..during the Ottoman period, could be better). Alexikoua (talk)

Hey there! I've commented on your 3RR report. As an addition to what I said there; I'd like it if you can discuss major changes with Athenean before updating the page. If he does something you disagree with and won't discuss it, come by my talk page; just don't revert him. Don't worry, he'll have the same restriction. Thanks, Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :D 17:45, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

A quick googling suggests that he died in 1946, so they are not PD, per death of author + 70 years, as defined by Swiss (and indeed most international) copyright laws. PS. I will be embarking on Easter holidays to day, so the Chams article will have to wait until next week (unless I find internet access and free time at some point). Cheers, Constantine ✍ 11:37, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Arbanasi

I'm pretty sure that the village in Bulgaria is more popular than the Croatian population of Albanian origin. The village is a notable international tourist attraction due to its architecture and history, and the proximity to the huge tourist city that is Veliko Tarnovo. Arbanasi Bulgaria gets 29,200 English ghits compared to Arbanasi Croatia's 5,000, for example. The move is debatable if not outright wrong, I always advise people to discuss such moves when they're not absolutely sure they're doing it right. Todor→Bozhinov 16:26, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

It certainly would be much better, but I still think the village is overwhelmingly popular enough to warrant Arbanasi. What do you get when you google "Arbanasi"? I'm not sure my results are representative enough because I think Google Bulgaria is taking my regional settings in consideration. My first page for ""arbanasi" - wikipedia" English-only consists of eight links about the village in Bulgaria, with only [14] and [15] about the Albanian guys in Croatia. Todor→Bozhinov 16:34, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
So we seem to be getting similar stuff then. "arbanasi croatia" is mostly about the suburb of Zadar, not about the ethnolinguistic group, so that 30k is basically them both taken together. I think Arbanasi, Bulgaria beating everything else 2:1 is enough to have it at Arbanasi. If you disagree though, I won't cry too much over a disambiguation page at Arbanasi, especially if Arsenal win tonight ;) Gotta go pick bananas now, Todor→Bozhinov 16:45, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Okay, disambiguation at Arbanasi it is then, but you'd better not have said that thing about Arsenal because I'll hate you now :D Todor→Bozhinov 17:02, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

1930 Proposal

Sure, it suits better now, actually you expanded it. See yaAlexikoua (talk) 17:17, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi balk. The section about Albanian education in Ottoman Empire sounds interesting (in Cham Albanians). But there is a problem with the ref. -Somel, Selçuk Akşin (2001)- The ref. says that the prohibition of Albanian education is mentioned on page 414, but the book ends on page 406. I'm searching the book, but it does not say somewhere about "prohibition" from somewhere (authorities etc.).Alexikoua (talk) 15:46, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

I see that, but non-existing doesn't mean "prohibited".Alexikoua (talk) 16:55, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

According to Albanian education things are a bit complicated, although I see a Ottoman policy of discouragement (Seljuk), sources are contradicting each other. Ruches makes a very detailed description on why education was not flourishing.Alexikoua (talk) 13:45, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

The book says that many Albanians held high level positions in the Ottoman state, both at the military and the Sultan's court. This seem to be controversial with the "prohibition" of Albanian education by the same state. The book states that Albanian sources (suppose of the communist regime, it's a 60s book) unsuccessfully claim that lack of schools was due to strict prohibition of the Ottoman state with the sanctions of the Orthodox Patriarchate.[[16]]

It concludes that, the real reason is the low demand of education among Muslim Albanians, due to underestimation (on the other hand they were distinguished fighters in the Ottoman army, their fighting nature was prevailing and it was believed that education was only for the "infidels/rayas")[[17]].Alexikoua (talk) 20:30, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm working on a Greek-Albanian approach (1881-1912) article. There is enough stuff to create this. Could be interesting if you have any thoughts or something into account. Take a look at this: el:Ελληνοαλβανική προσέγγιση (1881-1912)Alexikoua (talk) 21:13, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Epirus

I dije këto referenca të shfaqura në këtë tekst? [18] kam përshtypjen që do të hyjnë në punë më vonë;) Aigest (talk) 14:04, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Historia e Shqiperise

A ka mundesi te bejme ndonje gje per kete sepse si faqe po vandalizohet shume. Seksionin e Ilirise e mbaj une po per prehistorine e keto duhet bere dicka (edhe aty mund te ndihmoj me materiale) por duhet sajuar me mire si artikull, shihi pak keto[19] [20] [21] [22] qe mund te sherbejne si baze per fillim Aigest (talk) 07:25, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Chams GA

Hello Balkanian. Been busy elsewhere, both within and outside WP. I'll do what I can, but IMO the article is not ready for GA in terms of prose. The prose needs a very thorough streamlining. To highlight one of the chief prose problems, several sentences or events are repeated over and over, while each section of the text (and often each paragraph) reads as though it makes no reference to the rest of the article. I can't promise any miracles, but I'll try to help as much as I can. Constantine ✍ 18:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Not done yet, more tomorrow. :) Constantine ✍ 20:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Gjenetika

Me duket se para nje viti ke shkruar diku nje artikull per studimet gjenetike tek shqiptaret;) Mendoj qe kjo ketu [23] e bere nga une dhe diskutimi ketu [24] per kete teme mund te interesojne. Gjithe te mirat Aigest (talk) 11:10, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Illyrians

Can you please partecipate here [25]. bests Aigest (talk) 09:52, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Can you formulate that sentence at Illyrians, you have all the sources there, I don't want to do it again since it will propably resurrect an old debate. Bests Aigest (talk) 06:27, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I was just doing it, but you were quicker:). BTW I have added some other references in the talk page. They could be useful especially in Albanian related articles. Can you take a lok at them and tell me what you think? Bests Aigest (talk) 14:22, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Yep, I tried to add something there, genetical studies (whole section), Illyrian theory (reformulated added info, sources, references), since the article was in very poor conditions, but an old friend:) not accepting the majority issue:) redirected me here in Illyrians. I have promised also to take care of Skanderbeg article which was also in poor conditions (and there is a lot of work to do in that article and Albanian-Turkish wars) and in Albanian language article (added Latin element there, requested references for others claims since there were a lot of misquotations and misreadings) which need to be furthere expanded. The problem is that we are different Albanian contributors here and no coordination at all. Something must be done for that. Bests Aigest (talk) 14:51, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Can you please return ones more to Illyrians (talk page) discussion, I think also that we should move it to Origin of the Albanians article and there hopefully make some good edits. Bests Aigest (talk) 07:32, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

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Cham Albanians GA Review

Hello, I just wanted to touch base on this review. It is currently on hold pending fixes and discussion. It's been on hold since the 9th and is held for a week. I can extend the hold if more time is needed but I haven't seen any movement on this article. Please let me know if you're going to be able to work on the fixes I have suggested in the alloted time frame or if you'll need a little more time. I know this article has been sitting at GAC for a long time and I would hate to not promote it just because you weren't available on the one week it was being reviewed. Let me know if you need more time. H1nkles (talk) 15:24, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for Ali:) but there is a huge difference between him, others and Skanderbeg ;) Aigest (talk) 13:18, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Chams oppose this to Albanian and Greek Government

Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 15

1. Everyone has the right to a nationality.

2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

It is a legal issue too. Bests Aigest (talk) 13:46, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


Mbaj mend qe kam lexuar dicka nga ana juridike per kete ceshtje sidomos te dhenies me zor te shtetesise nga ana e shtetit shqiptar dhe pretendimeve per kete ceshtje edhe ndaj shteti grek sepse kjo karte universale e te drejtave eshte nenshkruar nga gjithe vendet anetare te OKB dhe detyrimisht e zbatueshme, pra nje reference aty mund te futej sepse jane raste te rralla keto te heqjes dhe dhenies se shtetesise me zor. Duhet ta shikoj edhe njehere si material, nderkohe qe do i hedh dhe nje sy artikullit gjate fundjaves nese me shkon nder mend dicka tjeter. Tani jam trash ktu te puna skam me nerva, te me falesh;) Shnet degjohemi fundjave Aigest (talk) 14:43, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Congrats on the GA pass! Well done! Constantine ✍ 09:38, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Paiania

Hi there! you forgot to name the source about the arvanitic name, suppose it's Buris. My opinion is to mention the Arvanitic name (if they are no more in use like in Paiania) somewhere when we mention the Arvanitic presence (It's also in accordance with Wikipedia:NCGN "we recommend that this be done if there are at least three alternate names, or there is something notable about the names themselves"Alexikoua (talk) 19:36, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Perdika

On which book you claim the Albanian use? I mean does someone wrote about Albanian presence on that village specifically? (happened something that proves Albanian or former Albanian presence) By the way, congratulations for the 'ga', very good job at all.Alexikoua (talk) 20:26, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

3RR

You have been reported on WP:AN3 for violating WP:3RR on Illyrians. --Athenean (talk) 21:44, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

June 2009

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 55 hours in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for engaging in an edit war at Illyrians. Please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below. — Aitias // discussion 22:55, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Balkanian`s word (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

The block was reasonable, but I just did not see that I was breaking 3RR. I do not intend to edit on Illyrians any more, so I request to be unblocked in good faith. Thank you!

Decline reason:

You've been blocked on numerous occasions in the past and I believe the block is a good one. I can't trust you to edit constructively on other articles with such a history. Perhaps after the block expires you can focus your attention on other articles and leave this one well alone. weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 11:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

I might be willing to consider unblocking you, but for the fact that you've been blocked for edit warring twice before. Aside from not editing this particular article further, how are you going to avoid further edit wars in the future? Hersfold (t/a/c) 18:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Actually four times, as he's also been blocked twice under his old username Arditbido (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). --Athenean (talk) 18:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
I will just avoid them. If I break 3RR again, you may block me for a month. In this case I just didn`t have the will to break 3RR, but didn`t count my edits and reverts. So, I am asking for good faith, if I break this good faith, than you may block me (as every administrator can). Thanks, Balkanian`s word (talk) 19:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Whatever, thats what wiki is, people who do not bother to watch Special:Contributions, but only the Logs. With reasonings like this "Perhaps after the block expires you can focus your attention on other articles and leave this one well alone." its quite clear that administrators just decline unlock request on bad faith, without seeing if I was really "focusing" my attention on that page. Just to notice, that on my edits, Illyrians is less than 1% on the last week.Balkanian`s word (talk) 12:10, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

About Chams

Hi Balkanian`s word I've indeed read Cham Albanians article and I am very concerned about it. The way it tells the story before and after the liberation is very limited almost POV since says absolutely nothing about the large scaled atrocities greek population suffered during the occupation which were not just greek propaganda, thus giving a falls impression for the postwar reaction of the Greek population over Chams. Giving only the half of a story is always the way to establish fanaticism and through this generating hot ethnic conflicts as we have seen here in Balkans a century now. I myself always trying to say the truth about the Albanian nation which is together with Greeks and Romanians the ancient nations of the Balkans. See by yourself in the causes of the 1st Balkan War. Anyway I would be happy to hear the points of your disagreement in my edits so to have an honest discussion about. --Factuarius (talk) 13:00, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

You take it easy "man". ELME was not the only reference you have deleted. You just deleted everything. The source is not about ELME what I noted in my reference is the report of an official person about what happened there and, read careful before delete everything you don't like. Don't write me again I don't like your style. --Factuarius (talk) 14:24, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Να πας να τις βρείς, τύπους σαν εσένα δεν έχω την αφέλεια να προσπαθώ να τους πείσω για τίποτα. Όσο για το άρθρο για τους Τσαμουριώτες θα ασχοληθώ μαζί του όπως εγώ νομίζω. Μη μου ξαναγράψεις --Factuarius (talk) 14:44, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi balk, about Azis Tahir Ajdonati & Jakup Veseli, is there any English speaking book that mentions them? although they can be linked with the Cham article, i don't see I real notability, to mention them on a general basis.Alexikoua (talk) 14:29, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

On what basis you define 'official language' on a medieval state? I simply concluded that there were Greek-speaking people (in Arta), especially nobles in Arta's court (which means people with impact in the ruler's court) and the rulers agreed to accept Greek in part of the Despotate's everyday life (accepting a bishop directly from Constantinople, not all orthodox accepted religious control from there, like Bulgarians, Armenians).

Off course the rulers' first language was Albanian, but Greek seemed to be also widely used in secondary level. Alexikoua (talk) 19:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Blocked

You have been blocked for a period of one week for edit warring on multiple articles directly after the release of your block. To contest this block, please place {{unblock|your reason here}} below. Cheers, Tiptoety talk 18:42, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


{{unblock|There are only two edits per page, I did not take part on an edit war, but after the two edits I continiued discussing on Talk:Igoumenitsa, after I had fistly discussed on the user talk of the involved user. This is not edit warring, because I reverted only in good faith, and when I saw that the other POV had a different opinion, I stoped and discussed.}}

Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s):

Despite various requests (cf. below), the blocking administrator failed to explain how exactly User:Balkanian`s word’s behaviour constituted edit warring. As this block is therefore not sufficiently founded (cf. [26]), the request for unblock is accepted.

Request handled by: — Aitias // discussion 00:05, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Unblocking administrator: Please check for active autoblocks on this user after accepting the unblock request.

 Reviewing request. — Aitias // discussion 18:54, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Reviewing the information on WP:AN/I, I see 1 revert on Paramythia, Igoumenitsa, Parga, Margariti as well as on Himarë and 2 reverts on Andros — unless I'm missing something, none of those are anywhere near edit warring. Thus, I'm inclined to accept this request for unblock. I'll ask the blocking administrator to comment. — Aitias // discussion 19:06, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
From WP:EDITWAR: "edit warring is a behavior and a simple measure of the number of reverts on a single page in a specific period of time may not capture it: administrators often must make a judgment call to identify edit warring when cooling disputes." Tiptoety talk 19:11, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Just a comment. I reverted some copy-paste passages, which now are under discuss, and for which is a consensus that do not fulfill WP:RS, as my reasoning when I reverted them. It is only one revert on multiple copy-pasted material in different pages.Balkanian`s word (talk) 19:14, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you, I am very well aware of that. Though, under such circumstances administrators are expected to explain explicitly how they did — using their judgment — determine that one was edit warring. The template-like block notice above is insufficient for this purpose. Therefore, please explain your judgment call in detail. Otherwise this block has to be considered insufficiently founded. — Aitias // discussion 19:22, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Aitias, I don't want to sound rude, but please do not talk down to me. This is not my first day at the rodeo, I do not need to be told how to be an administrator. (Sorry Balkanian`s word for getting off topic). As I stated before, the diffs provided at AN/I and the block message stating edit warring are the reasons for the block. Balkanian`s word, if you agree to be more careful in regards to reverting I would be happy to unblock you. Tiptoety talk 19:40, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
I was neither “talking down” to you nor telling you “how to be an administrator” (I'm sorry if you felt it that way) ... What I was actually doing is reviewing this block, which is — at the current point of time — not well-founded. Also, I was asking you to give reasons and explain in detail how you did determine that Balkanian`s word (talk · contribs) was edit warring — unfortunately you did not. You just said “per the links provided on AN/I”, but, as I explained above, this is not sufficient to give reasons for the block, as those links do not constitute a clear-cut violation. Once again, I ask you to explain explicitly how you did — using your judgment — determine that User:Balkanian`s word was edit warring. If you again fail to do so, I will accept this unblock request due to a lack of reasoning. Regards, — Aitias // discussion 19:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Please also note this edit here [27] in Margariti, in which he re-added Jakup Veseli, even though this individual is non-notable and was removed by User:Alexikoua on June 2 and was not-readded by anyone. As such, it is a partial revert to this version [28]. Same goes for Paramythia, these two edits [29] [30], are partial reverts of this edit [31] by User:Alexikoua.

To Tiptotey: As I said, I just reverted them once or twice, so I do not think I was not careful. If I would be not careful, I would have reverted them for the third time, without breaking 3RR. But, I just did not wanted to get in an edit-war, and thus I stopped. How, can I be charged for edit-warring, at a time when I informed the User talk:Factiatus that he was vandalising, asked for third opinion from User talk:Cplakidas, User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise, User talk:Alexikoua, and started a discussion on Talk:Igoumenitsa, with an editor who insulted me (see above in greek), without reverting his edit anymore? His edit was still there, when he (finally) accepted to discuss with me and I did not revert it.Balkanian`s word (talk) 19:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

And by the way, please see who was the editor who reported me. See his contributions, where he has *only* reverts and see my contributions too. Who is the one who reverts, and who is the one who contributes.Balkanian`s word (talk) 19:53, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
I suggest that Tiptoety might consider unblocking User:Balkanian`s word if he would accept an editing restriction. I suggest a WP:0RR on all the articles subject to WP:ARBMAC. What this means in practice is that he could add brand-new material, but would not be able to remove any existing language from articles, or undo any past edit by another editor. So to be safe he'd want to limit himself to the Talk pages of those articles. EdJohnston (talk) 20:08, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Its quite intresting, if I could only new who is removing material on those pages? Maybe you should see who is the one who is bringing always fresh material and who is the one who takes them out. As I said before, you may see who is the reverter and who is the contributor. For example, can you explain me why there is such a dispute on Andros page, where I added a name on the lead, according to WP:NCGN, and without any reasoning User:Athenean keeps torning it out? Who is the one who is bringig fresh things on those pages? Nevertheless, you may do whatever you wish, but you should know that I did not break any rule and that the reasons for which I reverted it *once* are accepted in Talk:Igoumenitsa as the base of the consensus.Balkanian`s word (talk) 20:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I saw the disc. page in Igoumenitsa, I agree creating a trimmed version of 2 max 3 sentences (unless there happened something specific in the town), because the articles are relatively small anyway.Alexikoua (talk) 20:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

As an outside comment, because I was asked for comment by B.w. earlier, I'm a bit in two minds about this block. On the one hand, I'm very well aware B.w. has a rather long history of sometimes rather stubborn edit-warring. On the other hand, in this particular instance, his conduct was definitely a good deal better than that of the other side. Factuarius (talk · contribs) has been behaving a lot worse: both in terms of reverting (3RR violation at least here: [32], [33], [34], [35]), constructiveness in talkpage discussion, civility (this was rather insulting), and, most importantly, in terms of tendentiousness of the edits. Even if some admins don't like to hear that, there are in fact edits that are so rabidly tendentious that reverting them is the only option, and this was one of them (even if the version reverted to also had its problems.) I would normally not hold two reverts of such an edit against any editor, with a history of edit-warring or not. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:01, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
We now have this [36] and this [37] similar IP addresses editing in the same articles. 85.74.80.100 reverted in Paramythia, Margariti, Parga, and Igoumenitsa (not that I disagree with the edits, btw), while 85.74.86.183 undid [38] my edit in Andros. Sheer coincidence? I have a good mind to request a checkuser. --Athenean (talk) 21:17, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Hrrmmpfh. Balkanian's word, this had better not be you. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
@Balkanian`s word: Are those IP addresses yours? — Aitias // discussion 21:22, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
information Note: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Balkanian`s word. — Aitias // discussion 21:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
For completeness of this thread, note that the SPI case closed with a checkuser finding that the two IPs were unrelated to Balkanian`s word. EdJohnston (talk) 17:06, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


There was mainly the adoption of the Byzantine lifestyle, it was also the see of a bishop appointed by Constantinople, which means that the Albanian rulers accepted orthodox rituals in Greek language. Most important in page 138 says: "unfortunately we cannot identify the nationality of the archons... they were probably mixed". Also it mentions that there was a Greek community in the city, and Tocco was seeking help by them to capture the city. What do you believe?Alexikoua (talk) 16:46, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

That's what I mean, the courts of nobles were the administrative centers in medieval europe, see: Noble court #Medieval Europe, and they were probably both Greeks and Albanians (named archons here). I agree what you say about orthodox Albanians, a number sources claim that they were mostly bilingual (know Greek as second language) and that's reasonable if u hear a language too often (kind of lingua franca).Alexikoua (talk) 20:07, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I told you, on pg 138 "We cannot identify the nationality of the archons or the population. Probably they were both ethnically mixed."Alexikoua (talk) 20:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

sure, but on the other hand there were no written accounts in Albanian that period, so it had to rely on a different language. It seems more than obvious, in which language you believe the official correspondence was written in the D. of Arta? Unless it weren't hunic hordes they must have had a language to write down (it was 14th cent. no antiquity).

We know for sure that Greek was official in religion and it was probably partly used in administration (according to the archons ethnicity). To conclude 'possible' does not mean 'noway', just possible.

Not to mention that the Despot Vango (or Bogoi) was a 'multinational' according to medieval Greek sources. Alexikoua (talk) 20:55, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll specify the use of Greek, as the book says.Alexikoua (talk)

What's your real problem on that? this is written on this book and that's what i add. Or u didn't like what it writes? If u find something that opposes that feel free.Alexikoua (talk) 21:35, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Mbledhje do ta organizojme tek faqja jote  :)

Ore si do bashkohemi ne e te vendosim se si do veprojmë? Po ftoj edhe disa te tjere ne faqen tende.--Taulant23 (talk) 21:49, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Me gjithe qejf. Na duhet pak organizim.Balkanian`s word (talk) 21:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Ftova Sarandiotin dhe Aigestin, ne faqen tende.Derisa e ke bllokimin? Don't give them reasons se ate duan plehrat.Ai Athenean besoj se e mban mend me Tsourkpk, po i njejti mut eshte.Hajde se flasim,--Taulant23 (talk) 21:57, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Vellezer, do flasim me lirshem ne msn. Balkanian ti e di msn-in tim, dhe kemi bashkepunuar. Taulant/Aigest me dergo msn-in tend me email(e kam te hapur si zgjidhje ne userpage) dhe flasim atje te tere. Ketu na shikojne. Bllokimi i Balkanian mbaroi(24 ore ishte) --Sarandioti (talk) 22:01, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok me mire keshtu.Balkanian`s word (talk) 22:03, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Une nuk kam adres msn, ne punen qe bej nuk me lejohet msn, zakonisht perdor gmailin sepse ai nuk ka nevoje per progr chati, keshtu kur jam ne pune 8-5 jam online ose pasdite po ashtu te hap nje adrese msn me thoni. Aigest (talk) 12:20, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Hidhi nje sy kesaj harte.[39]

--Taulant23 (talk) 23:04, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Harta ishte ok po ety jane futur dhe epirotet, tek artikulli Illyrian language talk page kam paraqitur ne nje link nje harte te sakte per Ilirine e jugut te hartuar nga Hammond ajo eshte me e sakte dhe me shtrirjen e fiseve ilire. Ne mund te vendosim dhe epirotet sifise pa u ngacmuar me idene ilire pavarsisht se disa i mbajne per ilire eshte mire te mos konfronohemi kot me mire i paraqesim si fise epirote, ne fund te fundit harta eshte per tribes dhe jo ethnos. Aigest (talk) 14:42, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Seems also ok to me, thanx for collaboratingAlexikoua (talk) 17:31, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Sometimes googlebooks sucks a little. I've added Stickney, it's more obvious there (page 44, but also 42). What I'm thinking is actually if Saranda can be named 'town' that period, the census of 1913 counts ca. 150 people...Alexikoua (talk) 14:16, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

On Kountourios i've replaced Greek-Albanian with Arvanite, it's for sure more specific. Also, it's still in the lead Alexikoua (talk) 14:35, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Also Souliotes are mentioned as such too (but you didn't liked that on them I remember). We have already talked on that 'Greek-Albanian', 'Albanian-Greek' terms stuff. See Souliotes discussion. So, what do you believe the Hydraioi were? (no Arvanites but Greek-Albanian?)

About Saranda, in page 44 says that it was blockaded by the Greek navy, because it was the main port of the insurgents (the Autonomists, in p. 42 and p. 40, says that the revolt there was in full power, also Ruches says the same [[40]]Alexikoua (talk) 16:54, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll make some rewording in Sarande.Alexikoua (talk) 17:39, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok, btw, have u something about the Ottoman period in Saranda? I've noticed something that did Ali Pasha in the region of Vurgut, is Saranda included in that region? (I think Vurgut is stretching from Konispol to Delvina)Alexikoua (talk) 13:34, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

license

I think that would constitute a free license, and you'd be OK with the Template:Attribution template. However, the disclaimer limits it to "educational" use only. Whilst WP would probably fall under this category, but I am not as well-versed in copyright issues. If you upload locally, there shouldn't be a problem, but before you upload anything to Commons, better make a query here. Regards, Constantine ✍ 13:50, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

On licenses in general, have a look here. It's quite clear, and covers the "educational purposes only" as well. Regards, Constantine ✍ 18:41, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Arbitration case

I added you as an involved party in arbitration case about the edit-dispute regions --Sarandioti (talk) 12:20, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't see that Arvanitika were ever written on modern Albanian script, why you revert the english equivalent? It's simple to mention the Arvanitik name in Arvanitik script and the english equivalent. Don't make it like the Greek-Albanian term again plzAlexikoua (talk) 15:17, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Would be interesting to have a source that indicates where was written in Latin and where in Greek. But the article itself says it wasn't excactly written in both: "Arvanites do not use Standard Albanian as their standard language either, as they are generally not literate in the Latin-based standard Albanian orthography, and are not reported to use spoken-language media in Standard Albanian." About wp:nc "Article names should be easily recognizable by English speakers. Titles should be brief without being ambiguous." I don't see the reason why adding one more name? (there isn;t a serious difference at all, but its easier for an english speaker to spell it right).Alexikoua (talk) 16:07, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

ghs? it says only about the Greek /Latin dilema, it's not an 'rs' source anyway. I said friend, "they are generally not literate in the Latin-based standard Albanian orthography" what u write is that Latin-based standard Albanian orthography (so says the Arva. alhpabet article), right? I'll delete the name at the box for now (have u ever seen a box with more than 2 names?), as for the standard Albanian version, i'll wait for a third opinion, although things are right clear. Thank youAlexikoua (talk) 16:42, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

For example an ancient Greek name, is written in english (equivalent) and ancient greek (polytonic), no modern greek, like Aesgylus, can u understand me? Ancient Greek 'was' a Greek language too.Alexikoua (talk) 16:49, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

You mean that the Latin equivalent of Arvanitika is diferrent from 'Latin-based standard Albanian orthography'? Would be interesting to give me a source or book of that script, suppose you base your 'Latin' names you add on that (coincidentally the names your write are exactly based on the 'Latin-based standard Albanian orthography'). Also would be useful to give a citation in which places it was written in Latin (ghm says just about the dillema nothing about written accounts), because I doubt that a Latin based script was written on these regions before 20th century.Alexikoua (talk) 20:49, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry , forget it, my wiki-faultAlexikoua (talk) 20:59, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Sure, as you say, the 'Latin-based standard Albanian orthography' as per article, suppose u r kidding meAlexikoua (talk) 05:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Sure, u didn't aswer me about Vurgut, what think of region is it? is Sarande inside or outside of it? (I see on sources that name, without an exact geographical definition)Alexikoua (talk) 16:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

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Origin of Albanians, majority view

I added some info at the talk page you might be interested in seeing them. Aigest (talk) 13:18, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Can we trace the publish date of this article by Hammond I have read somewhere that this is in Greek also [[41]] Aigest (talk) 07:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Ky material te linku siper (shume interesant dhe autentik) eshte marre nga libri i Hammond (Migrations and invasions in Greece and adjacent areasBy Nicholas Geoffrey Lemprière Hammond Edition: illustrated Published by Noyes Press, 1976 Original from the University of Michigan Digitized Jun 24, 2008 ISBN 0815550472, 9780815550471,) dhe mund te perdoret te teoria Iliro-Shqiptare duke e marre ne biblioteke si liber apo duke futur fjale kyc tek snipet view (verifikim). Gjithe te mirat Aigest (talk) 10:14, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

A mund ta perdorim si material them une tek teoria, ne nje forme te permbledhur kuptohet, sepse keshtu sic eshte nuk merret vesh hic, me mire te fusim ne artikull nje seksion i ri per teorine ilire(pershkrimi) dhe nje seksion me poshte argumentet si thua? Po ta them ty se je me eksperience editimi, po qe per prova me ke mua pastaj :) Aigest (talk) 10:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Sa per kohen:) ...te gjithe ashtu jemi:) puna eshte te bejme dicka. Ti filloji si seksione se pastaj e vazhdoj une punen me provat. Leqe shumica aty jane. Edhe Hammond flet per kulturen Mirdite-Mat faqja 75. Edhe Ducellier, po kam variantin shqip te tij. Kurse per linguistiken ma ler mua po deshe si argument, (gjithsesi po prape aty jane materialet shif permbledhjen te Mallory). ndersa seksioni gjenetik e kam ndertuar aty, po mund te fusim dhe kulturen (Lambertz do ishte mire po me ate do merrem une) Pra t'i japim nje forme decente artikullit dhe te kemi nje majority view te qarte se kshu sic eshte duket sikur teoria iliro-shqiptare eshte ne minorance, gje qe nuk eshte e vertete. Aigest (talk) 10:41, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Arbitration request declined

Hello, Balkanian`s word. A recent arbitration request in which you were named as a party, "Arbitration request on greek/albanian zones", has been declined by the Arbitration Committee. If this is still an issue that needs resolution, please pursue other areas in dispute resolution first, such as a third opinion, request for comment, or informal or formal mediation (preferably roughly in that order). Should you need assistance getting yourself and the other editors involved started on one of these processes, please feel free to contact me or another administrator. For the Arbitration Committee, Hersfold (t/a/c) 17:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I've removed your spata-bua spata claim in the article, is it easy to give an inline setnence? actually the name spata was very common, and was the name of one of the biggest arvanite families in the region (attica). There must be over 70 known personalities with that name, we haven;t a source that points excactly this bua spata that don't lived in that region.Alexikoua (talk) 14:49, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, that name [[42]] didn;t refere to the town, where have you concluded that? (still inline and page needed)Alexikoua (talk) 15:39, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

It;s pretty obvious, the artcle says excactly that and you agree. What;s the problem?Alexikoua (talk) 14:46, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I saw you deleted twice the death sentence on Chams by the Greek state, on Albanians. Is something bad on that?Alexikoua (talk) 14:54, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Off course there are declerations by organizations (ont both parts), the main point is that they are not 'rs'. (For example I have seen declerations of N. Epirote organizations brought to international courts, it doesnt mean that they are 'rs' or npov)Alexikoua (talk) 15:12, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Where's the difference on that? (whether on box or not?) I see a bombardment of a clear pov approach. I ask you again, wouldn't it be appropriate to avoid pov declerations as per wp:pov? Alexikoua (talk) 17:00, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


You had made nine (9) edits before me without discuss anything and I said nothing. Now you rmv mine and after you say me to go to the discussion page. The editing I made is directly from already mentioning sources of the article. Why only to mention only parts of a given book? This is not logical. Please say me that in the discussion page just to know and I will honesty discuss it.--Factuarius (talk) 19:13, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


Has this reaction a neutral source? or it just cames from a Cham organization?Alexikoua (talk) 17:43, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Whats that thing on 'Greek-Albanian' term? (we have concluded on Souliotes that this is not vogue) A new term of the Arvanites of 19th cent.?Alexikoua (talk) 17:56, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


Please be more active in the dialog we started after your insistence in the Chams article. I agreed about, but your only paricipation is two postings:

"Stop adding povish theories...etc." and "Ok, sorry, my fault.. etc."

In our previous discussion at Igoumenitsa you have a week to answer my last post and the discussion you again insisted is going to nowhere because of your lack of participation. The discussions are not a way to leave every article dead when you don't like an edit. --Factuarius (talk) 15:43, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately, due to a host of ongoing RL concerns, I just don't have the time necessary to get involved in what will be another protracted mess right now. :( Constantine ✍ 18:50, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Blocked for edit-warring in Souliotes

You are blocked for edit-warring in the aforementioned article. I block you, because I regard what happened in the article yesterday as totally unacceptable: almost 20 reverts in a row from both sides within 20 hours, during which, when one user reverted for the third time (including you), he was succeeded by another one. Your rights to question my action are presented below. You were already repeatedly blocked for editwarring, so this time the block is 72 hours. Regards.--Yannismarou (talk) 10:37, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

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Re: Wikipedia e-mail

Hi, Balkanian`s word. Thanks for your e-mail; I found the comments very constructive, and I certainly agree with a lot of what you've said. I've posted my analysis and thoughts of the conflict on the page at Talk:Cham Albanians#Neutrality dispute; feel free to have a look at my comments there. I'd also be more than happy to post the comments that you sent me via e-mail to the discussion, if you'd like – just get in touch via e-mail. Thanks again. haz (talk) 19:59, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Haz, I sent you another e-mail. Thanks again, Balkanian`s word (talk) 14:50, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

LOL. Look at the Chams exactly what I have predicted. The original point was ripped off and now it is just noise on things that Athenean knows very well (at least he has agreed silently on them on the >>>same<<< talk page. lolBalkanian`s word (talk) 10:24, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

About the 'Albanian historical folksongs', I see the book is entirely focused on historical events (giving also the related folksongs, if any) with inlines, bibliography etc.. Ruches is a historianAlexikoua (talk) 21:50, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Maybe I'll mention just the increasing outlaw activity, the specific event is just an example Ruches gives about the related situation.Alexikoua (talk) 22:24, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Please add categories to your new articles

Greetings, for months now I've been running across random articles that you've started which have all dropped to WP:UNCAT and become lost. Please remember to add a Category to each article you write, otherwise they drop to WP:UNCAT and someone like me has to puzzle out where to put them. Thanks in advance. MatthewVanitas (talk) 03:20, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Were was actually born Germenji? Kolonje district or Korce? I see he is in both articlesAlexikoua (talk) 14:36, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

About Tsamiko u know a specific source about the origin and the Greek borrowing? (off course origin and name's etymology are not the same)Alexikoua (talk) 22:17, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Tsamiko / Valle çame again

Since the Tasmiko thing has come up again: I've looked a bit more into these dances and I'm now wondering if we are talking about the same dance in the first place. Can you please look at this dance, called an "Albanian cham dance - Valle çame", on Youtube, and tell me if you would consider it a typical example of the dance you are thinking of when you say "Dance of the Chams"? Because, that may be a nice authentic dance and all, but whatever it is, it's not the same as a Greek Tsamiko. While the posture and character of the dance movements is similar, the music, rhythm and steps are totally different. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:40, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Aide more ki esi levendi, now you have me even more confused than before. That is the Osman Taka thing? I found four or five different performances of something calling itself "Osman Taka", and they all sounded roughly like this:
Αϊντε μωρέ, τι χορός είναι τέλος πάντων αυτό;
But that's yet another melody, and yet another rhythm. The "Osman Taka" I found is in a slow-ish 7/8; this is in 4/4; a Greek Tsamiko is always in 3/4. Can you point me to what you would call a "real" Albanian "Valle Çame"/Tsamiko? Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:07, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

You know that Ruches was Greek? Very interesting, who says that? According to his c.v. he is American. (born in Chicago, lives in N.Y., served the U.S. Marines). If we consider someone professional pro- or anti- something thats our personal view. For example Vickers has been accused for being highly pro-Albanian [[43]], [[44]], [[45]] (is she Albanian?). But that's not my job to criticize an author's perspective.

I believe he makes a very careful approach on the topics+ he avoids to rely on Greek&Albanian sources).Alexikoua (talk) 19:52, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

How about checking the genealogy tree of every author? (or checking his affairs with persons of suspected nationalities?). Even the best writers and author rely sometimes on primary -newspapers for example- (although I doubt if this exact information is based directly on a primary because there is no inline- suppose it's from something mentioned in the bibliography section.)

About the use of Albanian sources, for example 'Albanian's captives' Axis occupation section relies on an official Albanian report of 1946 [[46]], "Central Commission for the Exposure of the Crimes of the War Criminals and Enemies of the State". I see also on 'Historical folksongs', various Albanians like [[47]] Skendi Stavro.(suppose he is Albanian, according to the no -essed name). I don't see a one sided approach (Vicker's and Petiffer propose him as a historical source) Why you believe that u could had him already -apoteliwsei-? Alexikoua (talk) 20:32, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

What do u suggest? Just noticed that Kretsi is Albanian (according to ceeol).Alexikoua (talk) 11:35, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


Chamiko here [48] copied from chams eventually. Aigest (talk) 11:39, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Nice forum here for dances in Greece, Yvonne Hunt herself:) [49] why don't you guys participate there, just a case what about this

  • NIZAMIKOS ( Turkish(with it's roots in Persian), from Nizam : orderly, systematic,regular . or from Niazam-i Cedid ,which is a historical Turkish term for a 'regular soldier' or regular troupe, as those organized by Selim III (he organized troops known as Nizam-i Jedid(literally: New Order). they were modeled on European armies. they even fought against rebelious Jannisaries(the OLD order...)) note: Selim III was a great musician and composer
  • ZARAMO( Slav Macedonian: za-ram : of the shoulders - referring to the shoulder hold)
  • ELENO MOME (Bulgarian: the girl Elen)
  • MANGOUSTAR HAVASI (Mangoustar:Rom : gypsy woman, havasi:Turkish:tune )
  • BELA OLYMPIA ( Italian: beautiful Olympia)
  • TSAMIKOS ( Albanian: dance of the Chams )

hm some kind of propaganda here [50] about pan-Hellenic dance. At least it explains why the dance changes from one region to the other:) Aigest (talk) 12:09, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

The same dance is not played the same each time and even the music varies here [51] and here [52] and sometimes it is accompanied by the song of Osman Taka here [53]. Aigest (talk) 12:38, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Plz participate in Keshila disc. page.Alexikoua (talk) 10:33, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Origjina

Duke u nisur nga puna e shkelqyer me artikullin e çameve une isha i mendimit qe ti ta perpunoje ate artikull mbase ta nxjerrim dhe GA. Une mund te jap gjithe materialet e nevojshme por nuk kam ate eksperience te nevojshme editimi per nje artikull te mire. Ti thuaj cfare te duhet dhe materialet t'i gjej une. Formen pastaj te artikullit nxire ti si ta mendosh me mire. Aigest (talk) 07:55, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Ditelindja

Ou se harrova edhe 100 :) Aigest (talk) 14:27, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Korrenthaber:) Aigest (talk) 13:42, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Po ore te xhornalisti shif:) Aigest (talk) 13:50, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Ç'logim

Zakonisht jam online 8-4.30 tani duhet te c'logohem per fat te keq vetem ne fundjave mund te jem gjate pasdites:( Aigest (talk) 14:33, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I see you insist that Markos Botsaris was ethnic Albanian, although our consensus in Souliotes was that they were, sometime in past we can't identify, integrated to Greek nation. Suppose you made an one-sided agreement and reached an own-consensus that they were ethnic albanians that time for sure (although you avoid to mention this on Souliotes). Tell me one reason not to report you for 3rr? Alexikoua (talk) 05:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

May have - may have not. Sources are contradicting. But there was a degree of hellenization. I agree with Yanissmarou comments. Alexikoua (talk) 08:59, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I see you did your 5th rv. I believe you did it by accident. Could you be smart enough and make the right correction as per talk?Alexikoua (talk) 09:01, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Reply to Hi

I have replied to your request for intervention on the Cham Albanians article on my talk page. H1nkles (talk) 16:01, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Revert on Markos Botsaris

This edit that you reverted wasn't vandalism. Please don't use Twinkle to revert edits that are not blatant vandalism in the future without an edit sumary. — Jake Wartenberg 20:19, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Suppose that's your answer in the Souliotes, reverting and placing the 'pure Albanian apporach'. Thank you for not discussing the topic and continuenig this childish edit war.Alexikoua (talk) 20:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Chams

Hello Balkanian! I'll reply here briefly. I have followed the dispute as far as I could, although given the atmosphere, I was loath to intervene. From next week, my RL burdens will ease somewhat, so I'll probably have the time and mood to be more active there. Without going into too much details, here's what I think: the murder of Hoxha has been blown out of proportion. Regardless of what he actually was or how he died, nothing he did while he was alive (BTW, is there any record of "Cham resistance" under Hoxha?) mattered as much as the propaganda effort launched by the Italians after his death. The use of the Chams as a propagandistic tool must be emphasized, since it also sheds light onto the reasons for Greek actions such as the confinement into concentration camps. In this vein, the presence of Albanian blackshirt battalions in the Italian order of battle (however negligible their actual contribution to the fighting), as well as the intentional renaming of the 9th Army Corps as "Chameria" Corps, should be mentioned. In this regard, your version is IMO good (needs some copyediting, but content-wise it's OK).

For Hoxha, I suggest rephrasing the whole thing into something along the lines of "In June 1940, Daut Hoxha, a leader of the Chams in Greece in the inter-war years, was found headless in the village of Vrina in southern Albania. His murder was exploited by Italian propaganda, which extolled him as "an Albanian from Chameria animated by great patriotic spirit", accused Greek agents of the deed, and called for the "liberation of Chameria". The Greek government officially denied any responsibility for the murder, decried Hoxha as a mere bandit wanted for murder, and insisted that the Chams were content under Greek rule. Nevertheless, on the initiative of Ciano and Jacomoni, and as Mussolini's attention was turning from Yugoslavia towards an invasion of Greece, a mounting propaganda campaign was orchestrated around Hoxha." This treats the whole issue of his murder neutrally and focuses on its effects. BTW, about Fischer's claim that "Greek police" did it, personally I find it dubious, not only because of the "possibly" qualifier he himself uses. AFAIK, Greece had nothing to do with his murder and preciously little to gain from it, while Metaxas was certainly not such an idiot as to give the Italians any excuses for invasion. Either way, I cannot access the citation he used (no. 57), so I don't know where his source came from. If he relied on Italian reports of the time, then that would hardly be objective. Regards, Constantine ✍ 20:09, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

PS, on the source issue raised by Factuarius, I have to say I agree with his concerns (esp. the number of people expelled during the population exchange and the related issues). I had warned you once before about using sources carefully, since this reflects on your contributions and perceived objectivity in general. I'll try to check them myself next week, and see what can be done about them. Constantine ✍ 20:14, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, well, I certainly wouldn't compare Hoxha (or any Balkan "resistance leader") to Mandela... I've asked Alexi to point me to more detailed sources, precisely to be able to discern what exactly these convictions were about... Constantine ✍ 16:04, 27 June 2009 (UTC)


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The reverter

I thought you had agreed to stop referring to me in that way, but now I see you have started again. I really do not appreciate this, and have no choice but to report the matter. --Athenean (talk) 00:34, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Just want to inform you we reached an agreement with Aegis on the wwii section, in Cham Albanians, creating 3 sections. Some additional info has been included in order to secure 'balance'.Alexikoua (talk) 08:54, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

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Hi there, just added my comments on Chams.Alexikoua (talk) 21:17, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Seems we agree on most parts. Just added my positions on Chams.Alexikoua (talk) 17:29, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

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Could you please amend your maps a bit? They have a number of errors.

P.S. I like your user page, but does that mean you only support Turkey and Croatia in the EU and not the rest of the gang? :D BTW, you could add some templates on your thoughts how a peaceful solution for BH's and FYROM's problems is established. --AVNOJist (talk) 01:06, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

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And we kept these articles. sulmues --Sulmues 05:27, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

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@Sulmues: This is not a national crusade forum or some kind of battleground, so please behave yourself keeping your national enthousiam under control and focus on reasonable arguments.Alexikoua (talk) 09:59, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
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Revert-warring

You are again near 3RR at Template:Cham Albanians. And really, I thought we had clarified that thing about those dances. I'd appreciate it if people, before revert-warring over dances, made at least some effort at understanding and describing what dance they mean. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:47, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

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Albania: From TF under Europe to Wikiproject

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Note for template

In regards to the Arberesh template: I made some changes, hope you agree with them. In addition I tagged all villages and towns with the template, with the exception of Farneta and Marri. Could you please fix those two? Farneta seems to be in Modena, whereas Marri (in Calabria) is just a section of San Benedetto Ullano and for now just doesn't have an article in Wikipedia. To you the choice for those two places. Best! --Sulmues talk 20:37, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

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Can you please explain your latest edits in Evlogios Kourilas and Souliotes?Alexikoua (talk) 15:42, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Please consider coming to the Wikipedia:Albanian and Greek wikipedians cooperation board/Current tasks and projects, and possibly becoming a member, so that we can all reach a consensus on sources and problematic articles so that we minimize clashes with Greek editors. Thanks! --Sulmues Let's talk 16:24, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Despote of Arta

Since you have been warned in talk:Souliotes that a topic ban is possible, you should be carefull when deciding to perform massive spa style reverts. Moreover, please explain why you reverted Cplakidas addition in the language section in userbox [[56]] [[57]]. Alexikoua (talk) 10:45, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Because the area was almost solidly Greek-speaking before the short-lived Albanian conquest, because no major Albanian settlements were ever recorded in Aetoloacarnania (as opposed to further north), because the church, most of the provincial nobility and probably also the court continued to use Greek, which after all was the prestige language of the Balkans. There were other ethnic elements, such as Vlachs, Italians, and of course many Albanians, but also many Greeks, especially in the cities, and the the language of the elite was always Greek, as was the case in many other non-Greek ruled Balkan states at the time. Just as it is wrong to remove the Albanian language as a major language from the infobox, since the ruling family and a large part of the population were Albanians, it is equally wrong to do the same with Greek. Constantine ✍ 10:59, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Ip reverts & possible block evading strategy

As I see a number of reverts were performed by ips that were possible yours (as Fut. noticed [[58]]). At first sight this isn't bad, however in several occasions I see you edit-warred making multiple combined reverts both logged and unlogged in order to evade a possible 3rr vio (like in template:Cham Albanian [[59]] 3-4 March). As per wp:sockpuppet you should state that the unlogged editor was you, else this might be considered sockpuppetry. Alexikoua (talk) 21:23, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, they were mine, but I cannot remember that they were an edit-war... There was one edit only on Template:Cham Albanians.Balkanian`s word (talk) 08:23, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

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do you agree with my comment?87.202.12.122 (talk) 02:49, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually more sources say Cale, and I apologize. So I guess that we should redirect the other way around. Hurried to much. My apologies. Feel free to move. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.185.66.249 (talk) 19:01, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Continouus wp:Manual of Style (biographies) violations

Can you please explain what's the meaning of this obviously against wp:mos activity? [[60]][[61]]Alexikoua (talk) 06:43, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

It seems we have two issues with 'Ali Bey Dino', 1. was he from Preveza? 2. was he an MP?Alexikoua (talk) 09:13, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Is it him? [[62]]Alexikoua (talk) 09:14, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

See this [[63]]. Question 1 and 2 are answered. But this [[64]] seems to be historically wrong: A party of 1,500 votes can hardly elect MPs.Alexikoua (talk) 09:20, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

There is also this in Greek wiki [[65]]Alexikoua (talk) 09:31, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

I see that he was MP under Alexandros Papanastasiou.Alexikoua (talk) 09:38, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't see any Chameria Party MPs in the 1926 elections [[66]] (also see that the Jewish Party with 5k votes elected 2 MPS, for a 1,5k party would it practically impossible to elect MP). By now we know that Ali Dino was an MP but not under the Chameria Party.Alexikoua (talk) 09:56, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Suppose the next step is to create an article about him.Alexikoua (talk) 10:24, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

WP:Battle content

I've noticed that this template User:Balkanian`s_word/Template contains some not-yet created articles (red links) that would create serious wp:battle Wikipedia:Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point issues, if created. For sure we had a situation that has two sides (collaboration-expulsion), but imagine creating one article for every single event creating so an overextended library of Greek-Albanian minor conflicts and incidents?

I see you added in this template Paramythia&Filiates Massacre, I can additionally add 'Sagiada destruction', 'Battle of Konispol', 'Operation Augustus', 'Operation Horridoh'. I suggest we work to expand and make npov the existing articles instead.Alexikoua (talk) 21:41, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

wp:battle doesn't mean creating articles about battles but Wikipedia is not a place to hold grudges, import personal conflicts, carry on ideological battles, or nurture prejudice, hatred, or fear. Off course key points have both events (collaboration-expulsion). Creating overextended libraries on issues, while the existing material is in pov status (see: Expulsion of Cham Albanians), is something against the principles of this project. The argument that 'material exist' and therefore we should create them isn't enough.

To be precise, Meyer&Kretsi make also detailed descriptions on several key points about collaboration, but I don't feel that we should create dozens of articles that conclude how much Greeks and Albanians hated eachother.Alexikoua (talk) 07:46, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Bua Thopia

Can you please take a look at Bua Thopia? It seems like he went to Peloponnesus in 1418 according to sources and in that year the Principality of Gjirokaster was done and owned by the Turks (probably with another local vassal?). --Sulmues Let's talk 10:00, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

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Translation form [67] sentence of page 8

Is this what you wanted me to translate? Last sentence of first paragraph appearing on p.8: "Among the population of this region (thus from Arta in South to Vjosa in North), still no national consciousness can be found, because not national but religious criteria determine the social groups, thereby all Orthodox Christians are regarded as Greeks ("Grek") whereas "Turk" stands for Muslim, but people cannot fall under the generic description as "Epirotes". --Sulmues Let's talk 11:58, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Move request

I can't move the page, I am not an admin. However, if you want to avoid waiting for the Move proposal to expire, you can tag Pandeli Cale with {{Db-move}}. Cheers, Constantine ✍ 12:15, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Thesprotia was indeed split off from the Ioannina Prefecture in 1936, so that part is correct. However nowhere have I found any indication that "Tsamouria"/"Chameria" was used as an administrative term or other official manner by Greece. Consequently, saying that it was "renamed" is both accurate (the name was not used before AFAIK) and inaccurate as a formulation (it can be construed to imply that "Chameria" was an official name). "Chameria" was certainly in use for the region, no doubt about it, and continued so in Greece until the expulsion of the Chams, and by Albanian sources after. That is pretty much what Kretsi says too. On topics as delicate as this, we must be careful exactly what and how we write... Personally I strongly oppose relying on snippets, because we usually don't know their author or their context; it may be from an article only tangentially related to the subject, and prone to errors or over-simplifications. Constantine ✍ 12:42, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

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I don't understand what you mean. You claim that the city belongs to Albania? I see that Agioi Saranta, is home to Greek communities. Now for Igoumenitsa I can not even support the same view that a Albanian community lives there (?).Metsobon34 (talk) 14:54, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Souliotes

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Emblems of Albanian principalities

Hello Balkanian! I just realized that this supposed "Flag of the Muzkaj Principality" is actually a version of the Angevin coat of arms, incl. their claim to the Latin Empire. Given that this particular heraldic arrangement is very unlikely to have been used by any native Albanian princes, I'd like to know what sources you used to create the various banners of the Albanian Principalities. There are a couple there that are very suspect. This for instance is definitively an Austrian/HRE double-eagle, as seen by its crown, so where exactly do you know that it was used by the Arianiti family? There have been several flags of questionable authenticity uploaded and used in WP (for instance the supposed "Turkish Empires", Huns, Seljuks, etc, or this Serbian Empire flag, to say nothing of the AEK-style "Byzantine" eagle flags), and all of these have been removed from use in articles and sometimes deleted outright. In order for these Albanian flags to remain in use, a reliable source needs to be provided, and I strongly suggest that if you took them from a website or book scan, you note it as such, otherwise some may get deleted. Best regards, Constantine ✍ 21:37, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

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@BW. Please reference better the article, feel free to use my User_talk:Sulmues#Citations_helpdesk. --Sulmues Let's talk 07:52, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Again and again

It seems that months pass but we are still discussing exactly the same issue. I have to remind you (again) that Orthodox populations of the region as per Kretsi were very rarely described as 'Chams' (and as per Hart they were identified as part of the Greek nation), and that's why I removed your recent addition in template Cham Albanians. As I see you agreed on that in the past [[68]].Alexikoua (talk) 15:59, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

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I've removed this part [[69]] which appears to be unsourced. Feel free to restore it provided you add a reliable source on this.Alexikoua (talk) 19:02, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

That's excellent behavior Alexi. --Sulmues (talk) 19:09, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

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Hey, first of all, sorry if I bother you.

I saw you contributed to the Ethnic groups in Europe. Have you noticed someone has deleted the "Catalan" as a separate European ethnic group, like the Basque people... Would you mind if i ask you to re-add them to the list? Additionally, the total number of Spaniards has been changed to 47 million, which should be 31–47 million, as according to sources, could you repair this? Many thanks. Love from Iberia!! =) 90.166.249.165 (talk) 00:35, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

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Hi! I was wondering where you found File:Flag of Skanderbeg.jpg? We are seeking the design of Kastrioti's Coat of Arms, please see Talk:Kastrioti family.--Zoupan 16:37, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

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Please stop your disruptive editing. Your edits have been reverted or removed.

Do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive until the dispute is resolved through consensus. Continuing to edit disruptively may result in your being blocked from editing. Alexikoua (talk) 18:55, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

IP 95.107.208.205

Hi Balkanian, I don't want to template you because I know you. Using 95.107.208.205 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) for WP:CANVASSING looks as if you are trying to avoid WP:SCRUTINY. You know both of these are bad things, so please stop doing them. Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 22:18, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Don't forget WP:3RR on Albania

Per WP:3RR, no more edit-warring on Albania please. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. Thanks. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 00:29, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

It appears you see wikipedia as a battlefield: your recent record is a compination of canvassing, aggresive speech, threats in talkpages, instant reverting and the epitomy: 8 reverts in 3 days in one article. Hope you have a convincing explanation about it.Alexikoua (talk) 11:03, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

I have fully answered your questions in talk:Albania (i.e. an organization under the EU framework clearly reported irregularities of this procedure). In case you continue edit-warring you leave me no choice to report ninja activity.Alexikoua (talk) 14:39, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

April 2014

Hi Balkanian. I think we are having a problem here because your recent editing history at Albania shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. As you know, being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring— even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

You haven't been blocked since 2009. That's encouraging. But to avoid the chance of being blocked, after so many block-free years, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. You have been edit-warring against multiple users for days. Sorry but I had to give you a more complete and formal warning to remind you of the exact rules. I hope that I will not have to file a 3RR report since I know you for a long time and I value your work. Please seek dispute resolution because edit-wars are not the answer in a collaborative environment such as Wikipedia. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 20:01, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

WP is not anymore a colaborative enviroment. It is clear that WP:IDONTLIKEIT has became a nonsense policy, as if you are a bunch of people who do not like something true, you may "bit" the oponent, who has arguments. You included yourself in that list, by reverting and commenting in a "I dont like that" way. I tried in Administrators Noticeboard, and nobody bothers to answer. So what should I do, according to you?Balkanian`s word (talk) 07:12, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Let's try to discuss this some more on the talkpage. I have a few ideas. If that fails, perhaps we can try an RfC or go to RSN. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 07:16, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
And no more talk about extreme parties. Let's try to keep this discussion at a higher level please. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 07:23, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
I would really like that, but please help me. I am willing to discuss in a higher level; but we all should be.Balkanian`s word (talk) 07:25, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Balkanian, one more time: Don't imply bad things about my motives or mention extremist parties when you talk to me. I am not going to discuss anything if that is your attitude. This not the higher level I had in mind. I am getting a bit worried that you cannot talk to me in a calm manner without throwing these unfair and vile associations. If that's the case I won't discuss anything with you any more. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 07:36, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. That was a gentlemanly thing to do. Got to go now, I'll talk to you in several hours. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 07:54, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigation

Hello Balkanian`s word, I wanted to point out that at the above sockpuppet investigation an IP (95.107.208.205) claimed to be you. I wanted to confirm that it was you who had made that comment. Also, if that is you, when you said "The two IP adresses have nothing in common", what did you mean by that? The IP address 95.107.208.205 was not mentioned in that investigation, so I have trouble figuring out which address(es) you were referencing. I'm just trying to straighten out this investigation and I'm a bit confused, your reply would be a huge help (either here, on my talk page, or the investigation page). Thank you. -- Atama頭 23:26, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Never mind on this, Dr.K. cleared this up. Sorry to bother you. -- Atama頭 15:27, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

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Albania is mistakenly listed as an Axis force instead of an Ally. As a knowledgeable person can you intervene? -- I created a talk topic under https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Allies_of_World_War_II#Editors_Needed_On_Clarifying_the_Albanian_Case -- The facts are clearly there, but I cannot edit it and there need to be more people involved to convince a Editor which does not know the basics of WW2 in the Balkans. --

Editors Needed On Clarifying the Albanian Case[edit] Dear Editors, -- Please let me kindly invite you to investigate and clarify the status of Albania as an Allied force. Since there is an editor below who unilaterally refuse even considering the provided facts and historical sources, then I invite a quorum of other editors (preferable with knowledge on WW2 history and Balkans) to investigate the case. Best Regards LupinoJacky (talk) 14:44, 4 February 2015 (UTC) Albania was an Ally state, the book "Enciclopedia of World War II, Volume 1, Section "Treaties Ending the War", Page 824, ISBN-10: 0816060223, ISBN-13: 978-0816060221" acknowledges that Albania signed the peace treaties in the end of WW2 as an Allied country. Citing page 824: "The first peace treaty concluded between the Allies and a former Axis nation was with Italy. It was signed in Paris on February, 10, 1947, by representatives from Albania, Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, China, Czechoslovakia, Ethipia, France, Great Britain, Greece, India, Iraq, Mexico, the Netherlands, New Zeeland, Pakistan, Poland, Slovak Republic, South Africa, the Soviet Union, the United States, Yugoslavia, and Italy." (weblink https://books.google.de/books?id=LbWFgjW6KX8C&pg=PA824&lpg=PA824&dq=WW2+allied+and+associated+powers+albania&source=bl&ots=ehfHi5vpFh&sig=IZ3bXd3OKFo71jBU3Abay6tt6ao&hl=en&sa=X&ei=h1bSVLe5OoT0UKCdgPAH&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=WW2%20allied%20and%20associated%20powers%20albania&f=false) Unless there is any source showing the contrary, please add Albania to this page, clarifying 1) the fighting contribution of the Albanian National Liberation Front and 2) the fighting contribution of the government in exile by King Zog in terms of 2.1. resisting the Italian invasion, 2.2. resisting throughout WW2 through the Legality Movement forces. LupinoJacky (talk) 17:39, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

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  1. ^ T. Jochalas, To hellêno-albanikon lexikon tu Marku Mpotzarê. Filologikê ekdosis ek tu autografu hypo Titu P. Giochala (Pragmateiai tês Akadêmias Athênôn, 46 (Athens 1980)
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