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The Wikipedia Signpost: 12 April 2010

Wikicup

So people start with 0 points when a new round starts? I entered late without time to plan a strategy so I am participating for fun, not to win. However, I would like to qualify for round 3. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 17:21, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Someone accused me of being a sock but I was cleared by the checkuser. The sock was a contestant to wikicup. Really illogical! Spreading points among 2 usernames is a way to lose Wikicup. It would be more logical for 2 people to share a username in order to win wikicup. The sock accusation left a bad taste which means fewer edits to Wikipedia. I wish there were fewer troublemakers in Wikipedia and just editors editing/contributing. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 17:33, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Reviewers Award The Reviewers Award
Take this --Extra999 (Contact me + contribs) 10:09, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Tuna

Please see here. Unlimited, continuous chain of reverts. Please block it to level that only auto-confirmed user can edit it. --Extra999 (Contact me + contribs) 15:48, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Ok. But i feel it's already out. to registered level would be better --Extra999 (Contact me + contribs) 16:04, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I have posted, just as how editors feel. --Extra999 (Contact me + contribs) 16:11, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Renderings

I'm a bit worried about your comment here [1]. Do you mean to suggest that a labelled rendering would not be a diagram? Or not featurable? Thanks for clarifying. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 19:43, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I still don't think I can agree with you. It seems that your problem (if we were to put it like that) is that you feel a 3D rendering is not as verifiable as a photograph or a diagram. But especially the parallel with a diagram shows the strength of a 3D modelling approach, because 3D models are unambiguously parameterised in their native file format. What that means is that while simple SVG diagrams that use a 3D perspective (or user drawings) can easily be wrong, such errors are much more readily discoverable in a proper 3D model because the original file explicitly has the measurements - perspective in a simple SVG is usually guesswork unless the author has gone the particularly roundabout way of constructing the diagram using perspective lines rather than going for a 3D model for a start. As I said, since simple 3D raytracings can be readily converted to SVG (and SVG back to raster images), I see no rational basis for the rejection of rendered or raytraced images. In fact, we've promoted a limited number in the past although somewhat restricted to articles about 3D modelling. And I still think this is no worse a starting point than a lot of diagrams that we eventually saw being promoted (this one took a bit longer and so did these). So I don't see how any of this is putting us at a disadvantage - if anything, having a spatial model is a plus! Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 21:34, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, I don't think anyone is suggesting replacing a photograph because there isn't one. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 21:46, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

And no amount of armchair philosophising is going to produce the photograph. I predict it will be years before we get one that is suitably licensed, never mind the quality concerns. To me, this is purely a question of resolving whatever content concerns there may be about the computer rendering, not of barring certain kinds of media because of what to me still seems to amount to "frankly, I don't like it". So my reply to your initial question, "see what I'm saying?" is, yes I can read the words but the meaning doesn't reveal itself. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 22:04, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Signpost: 19 April 2010

GAN backlog elimination drive - 1 week to go

First off, on behalf of myself and my co-coordinator Wizardman, I would like to thank you for the efforts that you have made so far in this GAN backlog elimination drive. It has been nothing short of a success, and that is thanks to you. See this Signpost article about what this drive has achieved so far.

We're currently heading into the final week of the drive. At this time, if you have any GANs on review or on hold, you should be finishing off those reviews. Right now, we have more GANs on review or on hold than we do unreviewed. If you're going to start a GA review, please do so now so you can complete it by the end of the month and so that the nominator has a full 7-day window to address any concerns.

See you at the finish!

–MuZemike delivered by MuZebot 16:16, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Signpost: 26 April 2010

Lucy Merriam FP delist nomination

Hi. You may wish to comment on this nomination. Thanks. Makeemlighter (talk) 07:03, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Need some one to review some images

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sfan00_IMG&diff=cur#3_images_that_I_uploaded

Thanks in advance.. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 10:53, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

wikicup withdrawn

What happens when someone withdraws? Does that affect the others (making it easier to advance to the next round)? Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 15:27, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes it does in a way. When someone withdraws, they are still listed in their grouping but they are no longer participateing. So instead of 5 people in a group, it's like there are only 4. Hope this helps :)--White Shadows you're breaking up 01:58, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Review of closure process 2

Because you've contributed to FPC either recently or in the past, I'm letting you know about the above poll on the basis of which we may develop proposals to change our procedures and criteria. Regards, Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 12:42, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your participation in the April 2010 GAN backlog elimination drive

GAN backlog elimination drives chart up to 1 May

On behalf of my co-coordinator Wizardman, I'd like to especially thank you for your efforts over this past month's GAN backlog elimination drive. It has been nothing short of a complete success, which hopefully results in more expedient good article reviews, increasing users' confidence in the good article nomination processes. Even if you made just a small contribution, it still helped contribute to the success of this drive. Here is what we have accomplished this last month in this drive.

  • 661 total nominations were reviewed. 541 of them passed (~81.8%), 97 (~14.7%) failed, and 23 (~3.5%) ended on hold.
  • The WP:GAN page started at 110,126 bytes length on 1 April and ended at 43,387 bytes length at the end of 30 April (a 66,739 byte reduction in the page, about 60.6% less).
  • Excluding extremes, the longest wait for someone's GAN to be review was about 11.5 weeks at the beginning. (I mistook the figure when I reported to the Signpost that it was 13.) At the end, with the exception of one that was relisted, the longest wait is now at 10 days.
  • 63 different users participated, each having completed at least one GAN, with others also having helped out behind-the-scenes in making the drive a success.
  • The drive started with 463 GA nominations remaining and 388 unreviewed. At the end of the month, we ended with 89 remaining (374 or about 80.8% less) and 47 unreviewed (341 or about 87.9% less).

For those who have accomplished certain objectives in the drive, awards will be coming shortly. Again, thank you for your help in the drive, and I hope you continue to help review GA nominations and overall improve the quality of articles here on Wikipedia.

–MuZemike delivered by MuZebot 17:45, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

File:Adamo by Dell Spring 2009.JPG

Advice needed - Does this currently meet the requirments for non-free use? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 18:17, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Yet more images to be deleted

Heya JM,

--Shirt58 (talk) 12:34, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Signpost: 3 May 2010

Talkback

Hello, J Milburn. You have new messages at The ed17's talk page.
Message added 05:22, 5 May 2010 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

—Ed (talk • majestic titan) 05:22, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Lucy has no ‘splainin to do

I thought you would like to know that the Lucy Merriam picture now has a home in one of Wikipedia’s articles (here on Child modeling). Thus, it no longer has to be delisted as an FP picture. See Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/delist/Lucy Merriam. Greg L (talk) 15:44, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

GTCs

The bot is still not counting what it thinks are the main articles of my GTCs.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 17:32, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Icon albums

I have nominated Category:Icon albums (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for renaming to Category:Icon (band) albums (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. — ξxplicit 23:58, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Hybrid (metal band) albums

I have nominated Category:Hybrid (metal band) albums (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for renaming to Category:Hybrid (Spanish band) albums (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:39, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Signpost: 10 May 2010

Napoleonic Triple Crown

Your majesty, it gives me great pleasure to bestow these Imperial Napoleonic Triple Crown upon J Milburn for your contributions to fungal and musical articles in the areas of WP:DYK, WP:GA, and WP:FC. Well done, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:12, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Signpost: 17 May 2010

Cercospora rubrotincta

Ohai, just a quickie. I remembered your interest in fungi, and for reasons unknown, was looking at Cercospora rubrotincta. Wondered if you might have any resources to add anything to this stub. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  23:01, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

You probably wonder why I mention that specific stub as opposed to thousands of other species, etc, and I don't really know; just, I ran across it.
I ran across another new article in the topic area too, which I think does have potential - Mushroom dye.  Chzz  ►  15:20, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Collaboration debate at FOUR

I believe you are following WT:FOUR. If you have an opinion on the debate on page starting collaborations, you might want to chime in.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:40, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Wikicup judge

Hello, you know me from Wikicup. Someone bit my leg and chewed a good bit of flesh off. If I did anything to deserve it, please let me know. I need a bit of encouragement to get back into the Wiki spirit so that I can resume competing in Wikicup!

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Daedalus969#ban

from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&action=historysubmit&diff=364069648&oldid=364068938

This discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Fungi portal

You're making a bloody mess of that template- please MOVE pages, don't copy paste them across, and do not tag pages you haven't created with {{db-author}}. I'm not even seeing why it's so urgent it is moved- you certainly haven't explained anywhere. Please sort out the mess you've made, or I'll do it, with a hammer. J Milburn (talk) 16:23, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry. Where do you have a problem? I'll be happy to reset everything. --Buaidh (talk) 16:25, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Fungi portal

You're making a bloody mess of that template- please MOVE pages, don't copy paste them across, and do not tag pages you haven't created with {{db-author}}. I'm not even seeing why it's so urgent it is moved- you certainly haven't explained anywhere. Please sort out the mess you've made, or I'll do it, with a hammer. J Milburn (talk) 16:23, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry. Where do you have a problem? I'll be happy to rest everything. --Buaidh (talk) 16:25, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

ban

I see you have successfully banned Frei Hans after bringing it to ANI.

The problem with your ban is that there is no basis for the ban listed in ANI. There is a link (evidence) that you present but it is just one edit that says the guy has many IPs. This is bad behavior but not necessarily an offence to cause ban. It would be better if proposed bans were written more clearly. I do not say the ban is unjustified. I only say that the ban proposal is not clearly written. You managed to get a conviction without presenting a case.

Based on the one edit that you mention, I am not inclined to oppose the proposed ban. However, Wikipedia culture is that if anyone makes an inquiry on ANI like the above, he will immediately be accused of being a sock. So legitimate questioning like below gets strongly discouraged.

A better written ban might be...

User 123 should be banned. She doesn't contribute productively to WP. In the past 3 months, no productive mainspace edits have been made. She has edited about 1000 times to Turkish related articles, primarily using unreliable sources to deny the Armenian genocide exists, such as --- and --- and ---. 3RR violations are common despite counseling. A mentor attempt was not successful (see ---). She also creates 5 socks per day to vote with her (see CU) ---. Short blocks have not helped. She also threatens other editors by saying she will stalk them and break their windows. Examples of these threats include ----. Therefore, I propose ban.

Otherwise, you get a case like...

I propose that Katey Renieta Gonzales be jailed. User 1

  1. SupportShe is very bad. User 2
  2. SupportShe shouldn't have done that. User 3
  3. SupportShe should not have access to steak knives, only plastic spoons. User 4

Yet, nobody knows what happened unless they read this. http://www.theprovince.com/news/Girl+charged+stabbing+death+fellow+teen+party/3069218/story.html

Good luck in better writing. That is what WP is all about, good editing. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 20:32, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 20:32, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I've been here far longer than you, and I've edited far more than you. I know how to write, and your assumption that I don't just because of a single thread with zero research put into it is rude and offensive. Don't bother coming back here unless it's to apologize. I also left a similar, more detailed message, at your talk page. Bye.— Dædαlus Contribs 21:22, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
Your message, intentionally or unintentionally, is very bitey and very harsh. However, I do come with an apology. I am very sorry to have made you angry. Such was not my intent.
I did look at the user talk page. The evidence is that the CU declines to do the CU. This is not compelling evidence for the ban. I do not say such evidence does not exist, only that it is not clear from the page you describe.
Let me help you with a better answer. The better answer is to apologize that the discussion was not clear. You could add that several people are familiar with the user and support ban. Furthermore, you could say that you mistakenly thought he was so well known that you didn't think any description was needed. You could even use a modern example, like "I thought mentioning bin Laden's name was sufficient and that a qualifier, such as 'al-Qaeda leader and Saudi national Osama bin-Laden' wasn't needed."
I again sincerely and profusely apologize for making you angry. This was completely unintentional. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 21:30, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 21:36, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Valued picture candidates/Gary Sinise on stage

Since you voiced an opinion at the unsuccessful WP:FPC nomination, I thought you might consider the Wikipedia:Valued picture candidates/Gary Sinise on stage nomination.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:48, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

OTRS help

Hi, User:Innapoy uploaded a number of images of members of the Rhode Island House of Representatives. The first image he/she uploaded was File:MRice.jpg, which received an OTRS permission. The user then uploaded more images, always referring to email sent to the permissions email address. However, most of the images were uploaded February and no notice was added to any of them since. Could you check whether some permission from "General Assembly Press Secretary L. Berman" exists that allows all these images to be used? Thank you Hekerui (talk) 22:56, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

While you are at it, File:AFJP.jpg had an OTRS added by the uploader who is not a member of OTRS (at least that's not on his/her userpage and there is no Commons page), could you check that ticket? Thank you. Hekerui (talk) 23:50, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for your assistance :) Hekerui (talk) 00:00, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Signpost: 24 May 2010

File:AFJP.jpg

I just deleted File:AFJP.jpg based on ticket 2009062310067779, one of yours. Could you double check I haven't missed anything? Basically, it seems that it has been released only for Wikipedia use, the uploader has not understood this and gone ahead and uploaded it, with the dud ticket. J Milburn (talk) 23:57, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

That is fine. Stifle (talk) 08:04, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Fungi portal

You're making a bloody mess of that template- please MOVE pages, don't copy paste them across, and do not tag pages you haven't created with {{db-author}}. I'm not even seeing why it's so urgent it is moved- you certainly haven't explained anywhere. Please sort out the mess you've made, or I'll do it, with a hammer. J Milburn (talk) 16:23, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry. Where do you have a problem? I'll be happy to reset everything. --Buaidh (talk) 16:25, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

thank you

Thank you for your words of encouragement. I think it is a balance between looking the other way and keep looking at peripheral events. I better start cracking if I am to have any chance at the next round of Wikicup! Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 18:08, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

For that special thank you note in this month's Wikicup newsletter. It's nice to know that someone appreciates behind the sceens work :)--White Shadows you're breaking up 01:18, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Signpost: 31 May 2010

Willis Tower at WP:VPC

Although you did not vote, you recently participated in the discussion at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Willis Tower upward pano. You are now welcome to participate in the discussion of both Willis Tower images at WP:VPC.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:08, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit Opps, forgot to provide the link: [2] Haljackey (talk) 15:25, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Hello J Milburn, I just want to let you know that a colour photo has now been added to the featured picture candidate as an alternative. I could use your feedback on this new submission whenever you get a chance. [3] Haljackey (talk) 15:25, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Saw your neutral comment. An edited version of the colour photo has now been uploaded. Perhaps you will like that one better. Haljackey (talk) 17:21, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

"Single-Use" Images

Hi there, I'm kick-starting a new discussion here. NauticaShades 16:22, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I know what you mean. I just wanted to consolidate all the debate. NauticaShades 16:33, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

template

Consider awarding everyone who is in the current round (not that many!) a little template notice thanking them for Wikicup participation and achieving the third round. It would be sort of a prize. That way, not only is Wikipedia a winner but everyone who has survived this far would also be a winner, not just the winner of the cup. Yet it is worded in a way not to take away any of the glory that the winner receives.

Sample (have pity, my first attempt at making a template):


Wikicup Recognition Notice
Awarded for progress to the third round of Wikicup 2010 - J Milburn, one of three Wikicup 2010 judges



Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 19:03, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Image question?

Hi. There's a question about a non-free image at my talk page. Since you're ever so much more up on images in general than I am and since such questions typically rely on being up to date on community consensus, I wanted to ask if you'd mind weighing in. :) It's at User talk:Moonriddengirl#Janis Joplin. If it's not a good time, please just let me know and I'll poke the next on my list. :D --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:37, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks :D

The Admin's Barnstar
Thank you for the efforts on the Janis Joplin photo question.Malke2010 00:11, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:Joseph Martin Kronheim - The Sunday at Home 1880 - Revelation 22-17.jpg‎

What can I say? I'm a sucker for enthusiasm. Adam Cuerden (talk) 02:20, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Valued picture candidates/Wesley Clark

Given your involvement in the recent FPC, I thought I would alert you to Wikipedia:Valued picture candidates/Wesley Clark.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:30, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Signpost: 7 June 2010

POTY

Hi. As a commons admin, you should participate. More people voting for their favorites makes the process better. Best Hekerui (talk) 12:45, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Grab some glory, and a barnstar

Hi, I'd like to invite you to participate in the Guild of Copy Editors July 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive. In May, about 30 editors helped remove the {{copyedit}} tag from 1175 articles. The backlog is still over 7500 articles, and extends back to the beginning of 2008! We really need your help to reduce it. Copyediting just a couple articles can qualify you for a barnstar. Serious copyeditors can win prestigious and exclusive rewards. See the event page for more information. And thanks for your consideration. monosock 18:07, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Why am I getting this message? Mono's delivery method is random, so you probably showed up somewhere Mono went. :)

Talkback

Hello, J Milburn. You have new messages at The ed17's talk page.
Message added 03:37, 13 June 2010 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Hey J, could you take a look at this? I'm not entirely sure if this is PD or not. If it isn't, could you double-check his FUR? Many thanks, —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 03:37, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Join or Die

I responded to you there, if you didn't see. Adam Cuerden (talk) 18:17, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Signpost: 14 June 2010

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Periclimenes imperator
Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured picture status, File:Periclimenes imperator (Emperor shrimp) on Bohadschia argus (Sea cucumber).jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Makeemlighter (talk) 00:29, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Valued picture candidates/Edward Teller, 1958

You voted at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Edward Teller, 1958. I am informing you of Wikipedia:Valued picture candidates/Edward Teller, 1958.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:13, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

FUR

Hey J, with regards to User talk:The ed17#File:USS_America_(LHA-6)_-_050718-O-0000X-001.jpg, could you write out a good FUR so Marc has an excellent example to copy/paste/modify/tweak in the future for other images? Many thanks, —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 04:54, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Cheeky Girls/BGT

Just realised their audition was shown on Britain's Got More Talent on ITV2, might be why you didn't see it :-) Just letting you know. AnemoneProjectors 00:08, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Mark Rutte

Hi,

I noticed [4] from you. However, the description you gave with the image doesn't make any sense (not trying to be harsh, it is unfortunately the case). His party wasn't in government for three years, so he was already a while not the state secretary for education. And in the Netherlands, there is no such position as leader in the HoR. He is leader of the largest party and likely to become prime minister, but that is about it formally.

Could you explain where you got that description from? Because the source might need some adaption too then :) THanks! --effeietsanders 22:19, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

I hope it is a bit clearer now in the article :) effeietsanders 14:20, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

The Lazarus Effect

Hi there.

Re. Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates#The Lazarus Effect (film)

I've avoided FP for ages, because when I did try to get involved, I found it a very harsh environment. I guess I suggested this one, partly as you say because it's unusual for OTRS permission to be granted, partly because I admire the 'cause' as it were, but mostly because I thought it encyclopaedic.

Anyway - I will try not to care - the only Q. I have is... is there any point us attempting to get a better quality version (to avoid the 'artefacts' that someone mentioned) - or, is it a lost cause, because it is deemed 'not interesting enough'? Personally, the pic would grab my attention on main, but maybe that's just me, and I am happy to bow to the knowledge of those more adept in judging such things.

Cheers,  Chzz  ►  00:33, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Signpost: 21 June 2010

cup gaps

I noticed that there are gaps in the Wikicup dates. This is no good. It is better to run to the end of the month then promise to post results within two days, not cut short the competition! Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 02:04, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Too bad I misread the dates. I was going to have a mad push this weekend to get points by June 30th. However, if it is June 28th, I am dead meat. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 16:18, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Mark Rutte
Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured picture status, File:Mark Rutte-6.jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 18:20, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi, hate to burden you with this, but.. (sigh).. Lemmy is one of those articles that, after you click the photo on the page, you find the information from the upload to Commons, but also a little yellow sign saying to check out whether everything is correct, and then remove the sign. (Or, that's what I take that sign to mean. I don't mess with them.) Today on the second photo in the article for Lemmy, I find the yellow tag, and the original Flickr upload info, and I clicked the URL to see if the photo was OK under a Creative Commons license we accept, and it is not. We don't accept anything but the Attribution (BY) or the Attribution Share Alike licenses, (CC-BY-SA) and this one has a non-commercial tag on the license as well (CC-NC-SA) as a watermark with her name: [5] I understand that all this can be waived if the photographer changes the licensing, and it appears a bunch of Wikipedias in different languages are using the photo.

Also, now that we are on the subject, this GREAT photo of Karl Denson was uploaded here apparently by the photographer, (it is his photostream connected), but although we have a sign saying Share Alike Attribution, he has kept his copyright on the original Flickr page, and it bears a watermark with his name-- the uploaded picture has it too. Can you please help deal with these two photos? I really appreciate your help! --Leahtwosaints (talk) 18:25, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, thanks for looking into them. I think at this point for the biographies of musicians, I'm possibly the primary um, "hunter" of usable images both in Commons (a lot of people don't even bother to look there), and in Flickr. If you can handle those things--that's great. It's hard enough being the "used car salesman" of Wikipedia for the musicians's photos, and it's a dirty job but somebody's gotta do it...  ;) Oh, one more thing. One of the photos I got for the Rory Gallagher article from a very kind and GOOD pro-photographer of Rory Gallagher-- I removed it from the article page, at the photographer's request. The image is one of several that long before I requested it for Wikipedia, someone began plagiarizing for profit, and the photographer is now in a legal battle with the offender. He asked if we could pull the photo for the time being, to avoid any confusion, since it was his property when the offences began. He also offered picks of some of his best photos, to help make up for it, so I pulled the photo. We have plenty and there's more out there. Just so you know why. I'm only doing it to help the guy who is really nice. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 22:47, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

wikimaths

The next round has 16 spots. 15 people qualify. 2 editors are tied for the 16th spot. Can you have 17 competitors?

If there is a problem, consider promoting 17 people and asking for a volunteer to withdraw. If this is requested, I will strongly consider withdrawing during the first few days of the next round. I don't want to withdraw now but want to stumble past the next round. In the future, consider making this a rule (can have a few people over the planned number of competitors if they are tied). Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 21:25, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

funny

Do not assume I know which article, image or page you are talking about, please provide a link so I do know, even it has been deleted.

J, I strongly dispute your comment about the article. It does not make any sense.

ha ha he he...which article? Funny warning, but probably necessary if you get messages like the above paragraph. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 22:20, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Signpost: 28 June 2010

OTRS question

Hi, User:Wizir01 added permission OTRS templates to File:StevenFineforWikipedia.jpg, File:Louis Feldman.jpg, and File:Richard Steiner2.jpg, which were uploaded by the user, who is not an OTRS volunteer. I'm not sure that's possible, since I haven't encountered volunteers delegating adding the template to users. Could you check? Thank you very much! Hekerui (talk) 22:58, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

OTRS

I see from your user page that you are an OTRS volunteer. I forwarded the permission for File:Carancahua Bay Beach.jpg and File:Carancahua Bayfront.jpg to OTRS on June 22 and have not yet received a reply. I am starting to wonder if the e-mail was sent or not.--William S. Saturn (talk) 18:49, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Sometimes it takes several weeks, they have a long queue. Hekerui (talk) 19:29, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
I responded on my talk page, perhaps I sent it to the wrong e-mail.--William S. Saturn (talk) 20:52, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Thank you very much.--William S. Saturn (talk) 21:47, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

thank you

Thank you for mentioning the dramaout in the Wikicup message sent to others. The original person sending out notices for the previous dramaouts is busy so I tried to so it. However, you are more skilled at it and probably reached more people than my efforts! Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 14:45, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Nontheism

See: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nontheism.

Greetings, I see that you have chosen to conspicuously identify as a "Nontheistic Wikipedian" Me too! Currently there is a proposal to delete the article Nontheism or merge and redirect it to Atheism. Greg Bard (talk) 22:26, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Signpost: 5 July 2010

sorry

Sorry but I felt so happy for the 16 people left that I wanted to give them toy soldiers. Maybe I should modify it so make it clear that I gave it and that it not an official award. Sorry. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 18:49, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

See User talk:Hunter Kahn for proposed modification. After all, it's even worse to strip people of it once they got it. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 18:52, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

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Drawing your attention to WP:ANI#User:McYel responds to User:Alison, User:Crazycomputers, and admins, in case you were unaware of the history.—Kww(talk) 22:14, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

No offense taken

I'm someone with super tough skin. Really, no offense taken. And to be honest, I fully agree that the Temple image has terrible technical standard.

Off topic, if I wanted to help contribute information to an article that came from a non-electronic medium (a book), then is there a Wikipedia page that gives directions to how I would cite it? Gut Monk (talk) 16:25, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Forgive me. I'm getting off the Facebook sugar buzz where everyone knows what I did because IT BROADCASTS IT TO THEM!!
I don't find you unpleasant. You are exact, like me. It is cruel to some, but meh, so is the learning process.
I'm seeking the copyrights to two Temple Grandin pictures. Really, I'm as far from discouraged as is possible.
P.S. Wish me luck. The photographer did really well on this next one, and I'm really hoping that I smoozed him enough to release a copyright to Wikipedia. Gut Monk (talk) 22:42, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
http://www.wilson.edu/wilson/uploadedimages/student_life/commencement/TempleGrandid.JPG
Better lucky than good.
I, at the beginning, advertised the CC by SA 3.0 license to the originator. I'll have you on email curtsy copy (CC) if he wants to deal. (I really hope he wants to.) Gut Monk (talk) 00:50, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

for your help with Saudahmed66's blatant disregard to image copyright/policy. I feel you have earnt this cookie!

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thanks

for your comments on my page on Barend van Niekerk . To take your points in turn:

(a) The description "a brilliant jurist" is not a non-neutral, subjective evaluation; it is objectively sustainable from van Niekerk's academic career and the judgments of distinguished peers. Newton was a brilliant scientist; Einstein a brilliant mathematician. It is therefore to be distinguished from subjective evaluations such as "The reviewer was a self-important arse."

(b) the word "proving" here is quite clearly used in the sense of "testing" (from the Latin probare), not in the sense of establishing as a matter of fact; c.f the phrase "the exception that proves the rule". The reference is therefore objective and neutral.

(c) Your note regarding BvN's action in painting the Old Station roof, the language of his daughters etc. is your only point that is at all justified. However, biographic content necessarily contains biographic material.

(d) for you to suggest that the above references are "completely inappropriate" is exaggerated, discourteous and incorrect. Jonpost1 (talk) 12:43, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files

PDiv Looks Back.jpg & Sir De Villiers Graaff.jpg

Okay, help me out here please. I have been trying to upload this picture for some time now and every time it has been taken down due to some uncertainty about some copy right issue or another. Since this is the front cover of a published book I know that I am with in my rights, under fair use agreements, to upload this picture. Since this is a very rare book I also know that it is highly unlikely that there are ANY alternative sources or subsitutes for this picture.

What should I do?

You could upload the image under a non-free use rationale- however, its use in the biography as currently stands would not be appropriate within our non-free content guidelines. The book cover is copyrighted, uploading it claimed as your own work is highly inappropriate. J Milburn (talk) 10:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Agreed, as is the case with the other image I previously tried uploading it under an alternate domain type, not very familiar with what domain type this picture should be have been categorized under and did not fully understand the reason for its last deletion. In this case I was just at my wits end as to why it was being deleted. I now understand.--Discott (talk) 10:33, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Please delete this picture(Div Looks Back), I would do it my self but I am not familiar with the process of deleting images. Thanks--Discott (talk) 14:17, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Div Hottentots Victory.jpg

This is a picture taken from a newspaper publication in 1948 that is now in the public domain. It is already put-up, with out any problems I might add, on the Afrikaans version of the the wiki entry for the De Villiers Graaff entry. How can I keep this picture up? What more information is needed or under what category should it be saved under?

Why is it in the public domain? If it is in the public domain, it should be uploaded as such with an explanation of why, not uploaded as your own work. J Milburn (talk) 10:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
I previously tried uploading it under an alternate domain type, not very familar with what domain type an old newspaper picture should be categorized under so that might be why it was deleted in that case. Frustration and/or the possibility that this is the correct categorization caused me to save it in this form.--Discott (talk) 10:27, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
You stated that it is in the public domain- why do you believe that? If it is public domain, it's welcome to be uploaded, but you're going to have to explain why it is. J Milburn (talk) 10:29, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
A) It is listed as such in the Afrikaans version. I suppose I should have refered to that when uploading it but I am very familiar with the protocols when it comes to using an image from the same site, different language. [[6]]
B) It is from a very old newspaper article, 52 years ago.
C) The original version of this picture is in my possession but, because I am in China(and have been for the past 3 years) and not back home in South Africa, I do not have access to it and so can not upload it.
--Discott (talk) 10:40, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
I've done a little research, and found this. It would appear that the image is in the public domain in South Africa. J Milburn (talk) 10:43, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. Will the image remain up, will I have to added that tag to the image my self (if so how so)?--Discott (talk) 10:56, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Please check this image again to see if the licensing information that I have changed is not correctly done. Thanks,--Discott (talk) 11:18, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
I've made a couple of fixes, and removed the deletion notice. J Milburn (talk) 11:24, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Colony of Natal flag.png

I do not understand; this is a picture of a flag of historical geographic region that I made my self in the same way that the other version of this ensign was made. The only difference being its dimensions and the save file type. It would be greatly appreciated if you could give me more information on why its a "Possibly unfree File"?

Do you own the copyright to the flag? If not, why are you uploading it claiming that you do? J Milburn (talk) 10:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
I understand now, I categorized it wrong. Thanks for pointing this out.--Discott (talk) 10:42, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Question, I see that which is already uploaded Flag of South Africa (1912-1928).pngis no different from the one I uploaded Flag of South Africa (1912-1928).png and does not appear to be any differently categorized. Why is my one disputed and the other one not? The same can be said of the other ensign images I uploaded.--Discott (talk) 10:49, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
If you have a problem with other images, you are welcome to nominate them for deletion as well. That image certainly shouldn't be released like that- I have been involved in issues concerning flags on Commons before. I will look into that image in particular. However, the fact that other images are uploaded under questionable licensing doesn't mean that you can upload your images wrongly. J Milburn (talk) 10:56, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Fair enough, however if these images are take down and/or their creators contacted about that, then please do inform them of how they can go about uploading them in the correct way so as to encourage them to do so. As these flags are an important part of wikipedia project South Africa and it would be a tremendous shame to loose them over some thing like improper categorization. On that same, how should I go about reclassifying the current ensigns I have up so that they do meet current guidelines, assuming I can of course. Will I have to completely re-upload them again?--Discott (talk) 11:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
No, you'll just have to edit the image page to give accurate sourcing, author information and copyright, as well as the correct date and a description. J Milburn (talk) 11:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Okay, thank you. I will do that soon. I do have one more question on this topic though. Under what sort of copyright should a now defunct flag from history be under?--Discott (talk) 11:17, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Some flags will be in the public domain, some will be under copyright. It depends on the law of the nation in question. J Milburn (talk) 11:25, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks--Discott (talk) 10:18, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Dakota pic

Thanks for uploading the pic. I think it would be a nice addition lower on the page, but not in the infobox. BTW, I thought we weren't supposed to place images in article talk pages, but you probably know more about that than I do. Thanks. Cresix (talk) 16:45, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't mind the image on the talk page. I was just wondering about the policy. Thanks. Cresix (talk) 16:52, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Mega Drive Article

All my work on the Mega Drive article is based off of the Super NES article, which is a featured article. [7] In this article they have a shot of Super Mario World, a Super NES emulator, and a SNES demonstration of Mode 7. Mode 7 is a capability added by the Sega CD, and if I need to add a sourced statement about that to the article, I am more than prepared to do so.--SexyKick 11:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

OK thanks. I'll probably add an image of Gens with no game loaded tonight. I'm pretty tired, and intend on watching the EVO World Finals today, so I should catch a nap. Will the template on the Sonic CD image and Mega Drive article be removed for now then?--SexyKick 14:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
Sweet, it's been a pleasure working with you. I genuinely appreciate what you have helped me to learn about non-free image policy, and software licensing, etc.--SexyKick 14:24, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Awarding you a barnstar

The Special Barnstar
For helping me to automate a tiresome task using AWB. Richard Cavell (talk) 12:33, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

File:Confrontation Beast-Fist Akugata.jpg

This image has a fair use rationale. It merely does not have one in a templated format.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 16:43, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

That's not a fair use rationale, it's a series of statements. If you are keen to keep the image in the article (and it look that there may be a valid claim) please write a strong rationale. J Milburn (talk) 16:45, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
It is so a fair use rationale. It mentions the copyright holders, how the image is being used, where the image comes from, how the image is not replaceable, how the image is one frame, etc. This is all of the shit that you find in the template but in sentence format. It was valid from before the template was made, valid when the template was made, and should still be valid.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 16:47, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
No, actually, it doesn't. Why isn't it replaceable? What's it showing? Why does that need to be shown? Just clean up the rationale, stop being a dick. J Milburn (talk) 16:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

PING

Hi, I've emailed you about the F and A page at The Signpost. Tony (talk) 09:02, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much. We'd like to ask a different user each week (I guess rotating around the regulars); there weren't many pics promoted this week, but your choice, and why, would be nice in just a few sentences. Be technical if you wish, or not. Sorry to be so late: the next edition will be published within 24 hours, I guess. You can email your comments to me, or print them here. Tony (talk) 09:38, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Regine Velasquez

Hi J Milburn, why do you deleted my photos that I'd uploaded in Regine Velasquez article, they're authentic and captured only by myself using some of my cameras, and about the photo that you'd delete with the name of photographer so what the people who captured the photo that you're pointing is my brother so whats wrong with that if i am using my brother's work??? This question to you and complains may be rough but I'm just only asking why those things are happened, and please guide me how to upload photos in a right way thank you and god bless.Russart 1999 I'm Asking Something 05:53, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Question

Hey there J Milburn. (I'm not sure if I should wait until this competition is over or not so I'll just directly ask you since you are the most active of the three judges) With the unfortunate retirement of IMatthew, you are the last "very active" WikiCup judge (true there is Fox and Ed but I've yet to really see any major contributions by them in terms running the competition, no disrespect to either of them intended). I was wondering, I'll likely not partake in next year's competition for personal reasons as I simply will not have the time to write at such a fast pace as I currently am (To be honest, I'll likely be eliminated this round for those very reasons). However I have every intention to continue my assistance in the behind the scenes work that I've been doing for the past few months. As a result, I'm interested in becoming the fourth judge for next year's WikiCup. I'd be more than happy to help you out in making the pools, the poster, updating the contestant's page and of course attending to the many issues brought up at the talk page. I know that this may be a little early to be asking such things but I'm just asking for your opinion on the matter. Would you be OK with having me helping you out next year as a judge instead of a contestant? Thanks,--White Shadows I ran away from you 02:53, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Of course you three will have to discuss as this cup comes to an end.--White Shadows I ran away from you 14:41, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Can I trouble you for a second opinion?

Hi. There's an image copyright question at my page, and since it deals with a featured article candidate, I would especially appreciate another set of eyes. It's at User talk:Moonriddengirl#Need you to look at an image. If you don't have time, no worries; just let me know, and I'll track down somebody else. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you kindly. :D --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:20, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks from me as well. Courcelles (talk) 17:22, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Disputed non-free images

I have addressed the problems for the two images you mentioned on my talk page. Please review the changes I have made and let me know if there's anything more I need to address in order to properly and adequately rationalize their use:

File:Phantom1987.jpg File:Phantom_revolution_ad.jpg

If there's nothing else I need to do please let me know and remove them from the list of disputed non-free images/media and ensure that they are not mistakenly deleted.

Pmicka (talk) 21:25, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

What else could I do to make them better? I understand that they may not be "perfect" but if the criteria for deletion is based on any one person's notion of "perfect" rationale that just makes me uneasy. In a perfect case, what else would I need to provide to leave no room for human judgement of my rationale? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pmicka (talk)

Thanks! Pmicka (talk) 21:40, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

List of films about the RMS Titanic

Hello. Can you please explain me why did you removed images from here, as i think that it is under Fair use here. Just in order to explain what movie is about. This image is used under same conclusion here. There must be Fair use rationales for usage there, as it is just a list. --Tadijaspeaks 11:49, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

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Spiral_Jetty_USU.jpg

Hello! Sorry to be such a nuisance with my uploaded photo. In answer to your questions, Dr. Fox is the director of the Honors Program at Utah State. She provided the picture to me for upload to Wikipedia. She, as the program director, took the picture at a school-sponsored function, which means (as it was explained to me) that the Honors Program is the sole owner of the rights of the picture. I selected Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 because it seemed like the license that was most appropriate. If I messed up, or if you have any other questions, let me know. I apologize again for being a burden. Hydrobrain (talk) 19:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Tramp image

Edit uploaded. If you're interested in how I work, read the retouched template. It reveals a technique which works well for that kind of image where the colours are obviously wrong. It doesn't work on colour images, of course, but if a colour image was as off as that one was, you should probably just give up =) Adam Cuerden (talk) 14:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Illustrating Wikipedia

You wrote:

We do not use a non-free image until we are absolutely certain there is no possibility of a free image. There are plenty of pictures of this person on the Internet, and I'm sure, with a little effort, there's a good chance of finding a free one or having one released. With the current attention the article is getting, there is a higher liklihood of a free image being added- I've seen it happen many times. You're a decent long-time editor, so I'm not going to patronise you, but I can assure you that our non-free content policies are more conservative than you seem to believe.

Who is this "we"? You must mean the people who do not understand copyright law and are diminishing the experience of Wikipedia readers for no good reason. You know very well that by deleting the image from the article, you doom it to the "orphaned image" pile where it will be deleted, and thus you destroy something good and useful. This makes me very sad! Please show me a WP policy that says that "we" cannot use a fair use image until a free image is made available? I think it is absolutely wrong to remove an image from an article simply because you think there must be a free one somewhere in the world. If you are willing to request permission, that's great, but you should not try to force other editors to do it by removing images. -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:28, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
The "we" are Wikipedia editors. I do not pretend to know anything about copyright law- instead, I know about our non-free content guidelines. I do indeed know that, in removing it from the article, I allow the image to be deleted- and rightly so. Our non-free content criteria are quite clear that non-free images cannot be used until we are certain a free image is not possible, and so yes, I very much should "force" this upon other editors. J Milburn (talk) 21:25, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

You seem determined to delete images from this encyclopedia, but you don't seem to know or understand why you are doing it. There is no policy that says that " non-free images cannot be used until we are certain a free image is not possible". It says, rather, that non-free images can be used "where no free equivalent is available". So, until you find one, or make one available, they can be used. Until a free image becomes available, it is destructive to discard these images. I hope you will rethink this, because what you did in this instance is bad for the project. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:16, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Why are you destroying images? It appears that you don't really know. I don't think you can defend deleting fair-use images from articles that have no illustrations at all. It makes no sense, and it is not what the policy requires: because it is the wrong thing to do. Frankly, I don't see any point in discussing this further, unless you have a new point to make. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:50, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your message regarding HLWiki

HLWiki Canada was my first real article I created, so I am very much a newbie. I have added a link to academic citations in the hopes that it will meet the criteria for inclusion. I have also added a licence to the logo and made the name change, as per the suggestions of the community page. Since I am still learning, some of the technical difficulties have been hard to manage but thank you for your comments and any suggestions that you may have for improvement would be much appreciated.

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Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Kyndra Miller Rotunda

It's been suspended for two weeks now. Time to move it along? --jjron (talk) 11:00, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm, will that lead to another round of PLW inspired wikidrama? I'm more inclined to just move it to the top of the current noms and vote oppose. --jjron (talk) 17:06, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

FP promotion
Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured picture status, File:Velodona togata.jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. I′d※<3※Ɵɲɛ (talk) 17:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Black headed bunting
Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured picture status, File:28-090504-black-headed-bunting-at-first-layby.jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Jujutacular T · C 18:36, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

"Still way too much non-free content" on the Mega Drive article

Hi there. With regard to the Mega Drive article, I would say that much of the non-free content is indeed extraneous* but I would argue that the logos (from your summary: "Three logos?!") probably do not constitute inappropriate use. The logos are region specific (Asia, Europe/Austrilasia and North America) and therefore all three are required for product identification and commentary (the grounds by which they are used). I also take issue with the phrase "Still way too much" as that implies that even if their use is justified, an article can only have a limited number of non-free images, which as far as I can tell is not the case. If it is against policy I apologise, but could you please point me to the section which says so? Logically, I can't see any reason why there would be a limit on justified non-free content (that is, non-free content where there is good reason for its inclusion and for which a free alternative is unavailable, such as logos).

*Game screenshots, advertising etc. The Sonic cover certainly does qualify as extraneous now you mention it.

AlphathonTM (talk) 01:10, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't honestly see how the logo's are similar to one another. The two Mega Drive logo's are completely different, for instance, if one lived with the big blue Mega Drive logo their whole life, and saw the smaller, square, green and red "MD" logo, they would have no idea that it's supposed to be the same Mega Drive. The Genesis logo should be self explanatory as to why it's different enough. Obviously I don't agree with both of you about the Sonic box art, since the Genesis taking off in the market is 100% because of Sonic, but I don't think I can win there because it's box art. I'll have to think of a good alternative, as I don't want to use a screen shot to demonstrate it. I'll try to look for a public domain image good enough I suppose.--SexyKick 11:41, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
"The logos are the key example of "too much"- they are very similar in style to one another, and we just don't need all of them. People often see articles as having a "free pass" to include a logo; this is often the case, but that quasi-"free pass" does not extend to three logos. If the logos were significant- as in, if the differences were worth discussing at length in the article- then the use of all three would be more justifiable, but that idea is a little silly. J Milburn (talk) 09:15, 19 July 2010 (UTC)"
Again, could you please point me the Wikipedia policy that states this. As far as I am aware, Wikipedia does not work like common law (unless you count consensus as to whether some policy applies, which seems like somewhat of a different concept), so is not based on the previous decisions of arbiters or case histories. Again, if it is, please point me to where this is said. What you seem to be doing is saying that you don't think they're justified, therefore they are not. As far as I am aware there is no limit to the number of non-free images and the existence of other non-free images in an article does not reduce the justifiability of other non-free images. The following is taken from Wikipedia: Non-free content > Unacceptable use > images:
  1. An album cover as part of a discography, as per the above.
  2. A rose, cropped from a record album, to illustrate an article on roses.
  3. A map, scanned or traced from an atlas, to illustrate the region depicted. Use may be appropriate if the map itself is a proper subject for commentary in the article: for example, a controversial map of a disputed territory, if the controversy is discussed in the article.
  4. An image whose subject happens to be a war, to illustrate an article on the war. Use may be appropriate if the image itself is a proper subject for commentary in the article: for example, an iconic image that has received attention in its own right, if the image is discussed in the article.
  5. An image to illustrate an article passage about the image, if the image has its own article (in which case the image may be described and a link provided to the article about the image)
  6. A photo from a press agency (e.g., AP), unless the photo itself is the subject of sourced commentary in the article.
  7. A Barry Bonds baseball card, to illustrate the article on Barry Bonds. The use may be appropriate to illustrate a passage on the card itself; see the Billy Ripken article.
  8. A magazine or book cover, to illustrate the article on the person whose photograph is on the cover. However, if the cover itself is the subject of sourced discussion in the article, it may be appropriate if placed inline next to the commentary. Similarly, a photo of a copyrighted statue (and there is no freedom of panorama in the country where the statue is) can only be used to discuss the statue itself, not the subject of it.
  9. An image with an unknown or unverifiable origin. This does not apply to historical images, where sometimes only secondary sources are known, as the ultimate source of some historical images may never be known with certainty.
  10. A chart or graph. These can almost always be recreated from the original data.
  11. A commercial photograph reproduced in high enough resolution to potentially undermine the ability of the copyright holder to profit from the work.
  12. Shortcut
    Pictures of people still alive, groups still active, and buildings still standing; provided that taking a new free picture as a replacement (which is almost always considered possible) would serve the same encyclopedic purpose as the non-free image. This includes non-free promotional images.
    However, for some retired or disbanded groups, or retired individuals whose notability rests in large part on their earlier visual appearance, a new picture may not serve the same purpose as an image taken during their career, in which case the use would be acceptable.
None of this seems to relate to what you are talking about, and in the "acceptable use section" is the following:
Team and corporate logos: For identification. See Wikipedia:Logos.
I would argue that since the logo in each region is different (especially the Asian one) that they are all justified on identification grounds. Even the Genesis and PAL Mega Drive ones are different enough that they do not constitute identification for the other brand (especially since they are not technically the same brand).
Then there's this from Wikipedia:Logos:
It is generally accepted that company logos may appear in the infobox of articles on commercial companies, but note that, if challenged, it is the responsibility of those who wish to include the logo to prove that its use meets Wikipedia non-free content criteria. Logos uploaded to Wikipedia must be low resolution and no larger than necessary. checkY The logo should receive a detailed fair use rationale...checkY As well as a fair use rationale, the URL where the logo was found is useful to help verify the licensing information, copyright holder and authenticity of the logo. checkY (where applicable) An image copyright tag must be added to all images uploaded
Is there any reason why this would not apply to all the logos? It is not as if they're different historical versions of a company logo, they are different regional logos and so only apply to the region that they were used in. If it matters, all three were used concurrently.
Also, I have looked through the talk page of Wikipedia:Logos, including the archives, and as far as I can tell the issue of multiple (non-historical) logos has been brought up, so there is no consensus on which to base the claim. Again, if this is inaccurate please point me to the appropriate page.
One additional point. Surely it is best not to force systemic bias into an article by forcing the removal of one or more of the logos used. Using only the PAL Mega Drive logo for example introduces a bias towards the name Mega Drive (against Genesis) and towards Europe/Australasia (against Asia).
AlphathonTM (talk) 11:56, 19 July 2010 (UTC)



Hey, I just realized...Does the JP Mega Drive logo fall into the same category this does? [8] I think it does...I only notice TM on it, instead of the other symbols. Maybe we can change its license then?? Would that help?--SexyKick 19:41, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
I talked to some more experienced editors than myself, and they personally felt the JP MD logo is {{PD-textlogo}} and {{trademark}} The right side is completely made up of text (stylized text is still text) and is clearly {{PD-textlogo}}. The left side is a little more iffy. Is there sufficient creative input in the red and green "MD" to make it copyrightable? The required threshold of originality is very low, but it's still just an M and a D. It's probably {{PD-textlogo}} since it is just an M and a D and it's not really more complex than the W-thing at the top of File:Best Western logo.svg which the US copyright office officially ruled three times as insufficiently original. If only the original uploaded had known about these templates, we might not be here discussing this right now. There is only a Trademark sign on the logo. This is not the case with the other two logos. Please advise again JM.--SexyKick 21:16, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Really though, the black section simply features an M, and a D, as well as a black background. Again I refer to the File:Best Western logo.svg, the W at the top is much more complex than that one part of the D. They have a colored background, as well as a red outline too. Would you, without knowing already that it's just a trademark logo, think that it was a copyrighted logo?? It's much more complicated than the JP MD logo. Yet, it was officially ruled three times as insufficiently original. The JP MD logo is simply stylized text. I don't wish to argue with you, I haven't been quoting you pages of policies I assumed you knew, I believe I have shown you respect. I hope you aren't letting the fact we're trying to fight for the inclusion of these logos seem like a fight directly with you. Also the Sonic box art was added in before I took care of the Fusion picture last time, so I thought you were fully aware of it being in there when you said I could take the template away.--SexyKick 02:07, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
AL added some info into the article.--SexyKick 19:19, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Connie Talbot vandalism

I see that in the past the article has been vandalized and I submit that is being vandalized now. I noted that until today the birth date in the year 2000 had passed through many edits since being changed from 2002. I had assumed that the first citation established that year. I noted today that it had been changed to 1999. The citation is dead. Despite this, the birth year was changed with no reason or citation given. I changed the year back to 2000. Now I just noted that my request for a citation has been removed and the birth year changed to 1999. Does not removing a request for a citation and just changing an established value with no reason or citation given constitute vandalism?. Perhaps the birth date should be changed to an approximate year; the month and date removed?1archie99 (talk) 02:31, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I made further comment about the date on my talk page in the section you created there. I welcome the tightening of editing restrictions. It was getting tiring having that date bounce around like a ball on a bed on rocks.1archie99 (talk) 17:04, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Avignon

No problem. This is something else that merits further research (though not for the current case, as far as I know): "Art is also deemed published if it was exhibited before 1978 at a place in which the public is permitted to photograph or copy the artwork."[9] Ty 01:44, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Brandenburg an der Havel
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Russart 1999

you're asking me what's my brother's name? it's "Kit Sherwin Cruz" that's why he labeled the photo with his name. so that's it! User:russart_1999 (talk) 24:50, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

I'd taken the one of Regine Velasquez photo of her own star of the eastwood walk of fame the Pinoy version of Hollywood's walk of Fame, then the one that i'd taken at Wembley Arena as a part of a leg of her 2006 tour.What license that i can use if ever i'll upload a photos again? Thank you in advance.User:russart_1999(talk) 24:04, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes that's it. User:russart_1999 (talk) 24:12, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm just telling the truth i'd taken the photo that you're saying using my own Canon / EOS 20D professional camera. User:russart_1999 (talk) 24:12, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

And with that concert there's no steel fence at the front of concert stage in that time so the fans can freely come closer to the stage and shoot a picture closely using their own cameras.User:russart_1999 (talk) 22:02, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Okay i'll upload some of my shots in Regine Velasquez article.User:russart_1999 (talk) 22:02, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Common Blue Damselfly
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File:Kenneth Kamal Scott headshot.jpg removed despite correct permission procedure

Hello,

This is in reference to File:Kenneth Kamal Scott headshot.jpg, which was posted to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Kamal_Scott. I obtained the necessary permission e-mail from Mr. Scott, who owns the copyright for the photograph, and have twice forwarded it via e-mail to <permissions-enwikimedia.org> in the past week. Nevertheless, you still deleted the picture, I presume because the permission was lost or has not been read yet. As a new user, the amount of information here is a bit overwhelming - I'm wondering if you could offer a quick word of advice as to how I should proceed? I've e-mailed <permissions-enwikimedia.org> to ask for an explanation with no reply. I'm not even sure who to contact about this problem, or whether waiting would be a better tactic. Thanks for your patience with a new user learning the ropes.

Phw25 (talk) 16:20, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: Connie Talbot

Hi, Brianboulton had asked me that some time ago, this was my explanation, if you don't mind reading it "second-hand". Regards Hekerui (talk) 23:39, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

"Under what authority"? Since you're an admin that immediately suggests usergroup status, and that sounds wrong. I think authority control is beneficial and fits the encyclopedic nature of the Wiki well. Hekerui (talk) 23:59, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
It's a useful (and not novel) idea, and I explained in the link why I think so. But I haven't done a poll on the village pump or whatever, that's true, because I don't think it introduces problems into articles. Hekerui (talk) 00:13, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

OTRS help?

Hi, I have an OTRS question. Can you check two images for me?: File:BruceSundlun.jpg and File:Almond-cropped.jpg. They both list a ticket number, but no permission template was added and they're pending forever now. Could you please also check File:Portait of Mir Hossein Mousavi.jpg and File:H.E.Nateq Nouri.jpg, which were uploaded by an indef. banned user and not verified by an OTRS volunteer? Thanks. Hekerui (talk) 10:55, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Hekerui (talk) 11:22, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Dendropsophus microcephalus calling
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Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Tramp caricature
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Thoraeton

Hello, I saw the message you left at Thoraeton's talk page, so I thought you might be interested to learn, who the user is. Regards.--Mbz1 (talk) 02:54, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for SteelPath

— Rlevse • Talk • 06:03, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Connie Talbot & The Marine Toys for Tots Foundation press release

Greetings. While Connie Talbot's involvement with the foundation is clearly of minor encyclopaedic interest, it is unclear why you feel it necessary to include a lengthy quote from the foundation's president which reads like nothing more than millions of other, similar corporate press releases and appears to add zero value to the article (diff). Please explain. -Arb. (talk) 12:53, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

You wrote on my talk page:

I'm not particularly attached to it, it just helps pad out that rather short section, and, more importantly, say something about the most recent album, for which details are thin on the ground. It also helps provide a little context, giving the view of the organisation in question. She's not done much recently, so far as I know... J Milburn (talk) 13:11, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Which all seems a little tenuous. Padding? The organisations view? As for saying something about the most recent album, there is nothing at all about it in the quote as far as I can see. Have remove it once more. -Arb. (talk) 15:13, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

I added tags to my own images. The company depicted on the peach crate label no longer exists but I don't know for sure if anyone has a copyright to it so I removed the picture from the Wynne article and the image can be deleted. ThanksMark Osgatharp (talk) 02:17, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

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Mackerras

I've got an agreement with the Flickr user for one - looks like she was misguided, she released under a No-derivative Non-commercial CC license, but the was "willing to release under a freer license", and I've replied to request that it be released under an attribution one. Hopefully I can get this sorted, and get it uploaded soon. Cheers. Connormahtalk 03:28, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Offer

You need any help with setting up the sign-ups for next year? I realize that this may be a one person job and if it is then just let me know :)--White Shadows It's a wonderful life 15:08, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

No problem. hopefully we can come to a conclusion on the flags before you set up that page though so you don't have to go back and add in more (or less) rules and regulations on signing up.--White Shadows It's a wonderful life 15:14, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Photo Permissions

On the Musuem of Fine Arts, Houston page the photo permissions have been verified through OTRS - Ticket link: https://ticket.wikimedia.org/otrs/index.pl?Action=AgentTicketZoom&TicketID=5225821 Please let me know any further steps to secure these photos on this page. Thank you user:MFAH archives —Preceding undated comment added 15:21, 28 July 2010 (UTC).

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Common collared lizard
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OTRS

Would you handle an OTRS for me, needs handled fairly promptly. It's in regard to File:Martynpoliakoff.jpg that file and it's DR. I have the e-mail correspondence with the author, Brady Haran, which is the producer of the video series where he confirms he uploaded it. I've not sent e-mails in for an OTRS so let me know what you need. — raekyT 01:42, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Adam Cuerden

The Wikipedia Signpost have decide that you should not be able to read commentary on the problems with censorship. This is the first time commentary has been censored from the Wikipedia Signpost, however, evidently, speaking out against Jimbo Wales' actions in the recent Commons debacle is too controversial.

Since I started editing Wikipedia, I've created literally hundreds of Featured pictures, a dozen or so Featured articles, a couple Featured portals, a featured list, and various other things.

What has my reward been?

I've been harassed, bullied, and generally treated like dirt. An arbcom case was opened by Charles Matthews, then a sitting arbitrator, to punish me for not immediately agreeing to his request to reconsider a block, with no additional information than "I think it's a good idea". I instead sought opinions on ANI, and so Charles Matthews got his friends in the Arbcom to harass me for three months. After two months, they decided that they really should have sought other means of dispute resolution, and opened an RfC... which came out firmly in my decfense. This wasn't what they wanted, so they ignored it, attacked those who spoke out against me, and did what they wanted

It took a year for the Arbcom to finally agree to withdraw the case, replacing it with an apology, and detailing the many procedural and ethical lapses.

More recently, I've been blocked for having an arbcom statement slightly over the limit - while I was in the middle of a lengthy rewrite. The other user I was in dispute with also had a statement over the limit throughout that time... and was never so much as warned.

Wikipedia treats its users like shit, but, ironically, only the long-time experienced users. If you ever begin to become jaded, your upset at Wikipedia will be used to implement more injustices.

Here we see an example. At the start of the news cycle, I wrote an editorial, following the Signpost's stated guideance for such. When it was done, I was told that they no longer publish editorials, and, instead of raising a fuss, I offered to simply publish it as a comment to stories, and the thread discussing it was closed.

Two hours before publication, the editor of the Signpost deleted the comment, without telling anyone. I objected; he had participated in the discussion, and the discussion had been closed for nearly a week, with the comment ready for publication throughout that time. I had dropped my insistence on publication of editorials, or any attempt to revise the article into a non-editorial overview, based on what I had seen as the agreement.

Now, not only is talking about censorship censored, but even a private complaint about at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AWikipedia_Signpost%2FNewsroom&action=historysubmit&diff=375694073&oldid=375693486 editor making grossly inaccurate personal attacks against me, based on patently false allegations, has been censored.

I quit.

Adam Cuerden (talk) 09:28, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Adam Cuerden a victim of bullying? On Commons, he blocked me for a month, for no good reason at all. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 13:25, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Erm, what? J Milburn (talk) 13:26, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
I was just commenting on Cuerden's outburst here. On Commons, I could say pretty much the same, complaining about injustices, etcetera. To which Cuerden is an active contributor. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 13:31, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
I have no opinion on that issue; not really seeing why you're feeling the need to contact me. J Milburn (talk) 13:36, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

"Orphaned" Guinness World Records Images

Dear J Milburn,

You recently reverted my edits regarding some files that I had uploaded (Guinness 2007 [10], Guinness 2008 [11] and Guinness 2009 [12]), and I do now understand the distinction between image uploading and image "ownership"; I do not own the copyright. However, if you will please hear me out for a moment, I would still like to implore you to remove the bot requesting the files to be deleted because they are considered "orphaned."

While it is technically true the images themselves are not used in the articles, I uploaded them for the specific task of using them as extremely vital references to citations that were used in not one, but three, articles: "Candle in the Wind 1997," "White Christmas" and the list of best-selling singles worldwide. The images, as references, are integral to the viability of the articles. I was extremely frustrated at seeing incorrect statistics being cited due to a lack of reliable references, and I realised the only way to set the record straight was to provide images of the one and only irrefutable source that could verify the correct statistics, The Guinness Book of World Records, so I decided to upload the pertinent pages to be used as references. (And I knew that mere quotes from the pages would not suffice, seeing as the very Guinness Books I had scanned had consistently been misquoted in the articles many times over).

If only I were more technologically adept, perhaps I would have known how to upload the images to a separate file hosting website, and then I simply could have linked the references to that site...but I frankly have no idea how to do such a thing; thus, I uploaded them to Wikipedia. However, it does not seem that it was done in vain, because since doing so, I have been contacted and commended several times by other Wikipedians who were very thankful that someone was able to finally provide clear and concise evidence to articles which have hitherto been mired in confusion and controversy. I feel that the images are necessary for the articles, and I would not have gone through the considerable trouble of uploading them if I did not genuinely believe they would be an important asset to both the articles to which the images pertain and to Wikipedia as a whole. Therefore, I certainly hope that you will remove the bots from the images I uploaded, because I am quite sure that if the pages (and the many references that are made to them) are gone, we will once again soon have three more statistically inaccurate, unreliable articles. (Furthermore, if you could inform me if there is a way to prevent future bots from being added to the files claiming that they are "orphaned", I would be most appreciative, as this is actually the second time this week that I have had to request that bots be removed from these files.)

Best Regards, R.h.c.afounder1 (talk) 21:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

OTRS check, Wikipedia:Valued_picture_candidates/Barbara_Gittings

Tony brought up a picture for VPC and the page it's on has 3 images (including the one Tony nominated) of questionable OTRS. They're images released by a library but taken well within the copyright range of the original photographer. Could you check that the OTRS ticket contains evidence that the photographers have (a) provided full copyright release to the library and (b) that the library has presented us evidence they have that copyright release? Otherwise It's probably a copyright violation. The images are below. — raekyT 01:29, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Adding a follow up here, Howcheng stated (User_talk:Howcheng#OTRS_Check) that the e-mail for all 3 images in question was sent by one user Moni3, and that if we wish to follow up more we should address it with that url, me not being an admin or access to OTRS would carry little weight or effect since I can't check subsequent e-mails to OTRS to follow up. Maybe you have a suggestion on how I should proceed. I still think these 3 are copyright violations, and the OTRS e-mails are WAY not enough evidence to be certain the respective libraries or whatever holds the full copyright releases. — raekyT 16:40, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Re:Orphaned non-free image

Thanks for alerting me of the orphaned logo (File:Challengers.jpeg), which was at User:Jsayre64/Eugene Challengers I just realized it, but that page, a mere userspace draft, has been deleted becaused the baseball team was "non-notable." There may be other images that I uploaded to pages that are orphans, so sorry for the trouble, but I didn't know before. Jsayre64 (talk) 16:25, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

J Silverman corrections

Hi J Milburn, you assisted me on the help page regarding this new article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Jerry_Silverman I have made the corrections you suggested and would like to submit it for publication. Thanks!, Noirmoutier —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noirmoutier (talk • contribs) 18:47, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, the image has a proper rationale, and has had it since it was uploaded. Please note the image was replaced by a Nick Jr. vandal last night, thus why I restored the image and fixed the vandalism. Nate • (chatter) 18:34, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Ahh, I'm sorry, I was literally running out the door when I got your message and didn't check which image you meant; I thought it was the current logo rather than one of the older ones because of the naming of the file being confusing. Thus no objection to deletion; it just seemed coincidental after the Nick Jr. Vandal drove by that you'd ask for deletion on what I thought was the current logo after restoration. My apologies. Nate • (chatter) 20:27, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Thrissops formosus
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Update

This editor is a Senior Editor and is entitled to display this Rhodium Editor Star.

Just looked at your user page and I would have added it to the gallery, replacing the iron one, but it's protected. Hekerui (talk) 11:13, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Mike Godwin 2
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File:Zhoupic7.jpg

Fictional sources portray Zhou Tong as a spear master. I originally uploaded it years ago as a visual aid. However, I really don't care if it is deleted or not. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 18:18, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

File:James_Felton_Keith_in_Chicago_2009.jpg

I'm not sure I understand how to authenticate this media and further http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:James_Felton_Keith_in_Chicago_2009.jpg This is a picture that I took for James Felton Keith in 2009. I uploaded the media from my desk top.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Kanemaster (talk • contribs) 20:34, 1 August 2010

File:Frontcover.jpg

I'm not sure I understand how to authenticate this media and further http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Frontcover.jpg This is a public picture of a book cover titles: Integrationalism that I took from the publisher archives in 2010. They are aware of the upload.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Kanemaster (talk • contribs) 20:34, 1 August 2010

The book cover does not belong to you, so its use must meet our extremely strict non-free content criteria. Currently, it does not appear to meet them, so it would probably best just to leave this one. Sorry. J Milburn (talk) 22:02, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

VPC

— raekyT 23:54, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

User SexyKick

Hello there,

I would like to report User:SexyKick for continuously reverting valid edits made to the [Mega Drive] article. Details can be read here on the article's talk page.

My attempt to contact this person via his/her talk page remained fruitless. He kept reverting edits (even yours, removing the non-free tag).

Prior to that, this person contacted me accusing me of vandalism when I tried to reword a few sentences of a section of the article ("Console Wars") with the goal to eventually clean the entire article of bias, speculation and weasel words to focus on facts alone.

Here's the edit in question. Since then, practically every single edit made to the article was reverted by this person - and definitely every single one of mine.

Now he/she proposed at the article's talk page that I should get approval by him for any edits I do by talking things through with him - prior to editing. I think that this is unacceptable. It took me (and others) several days trying to explain to this person that certain variants of the console itself were released under a different name - without result as of yet. And that was something that would have been easy to look up if he/she were genuinely interested.

I hope you can help, or at least redirect me to someone who can. I really don't know what to do with this guy. DCEvoCE (talk) 00:57, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

I will look into this tomorrow. J Milburn (talk) 01:01, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. DCEvoCE (talk) 01:11, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Me, him, and AL have been talking about this all day. I'm actually going to just take this to the incidents board, as he claims I spam his talk page if I try to leave a message there for him, and he clearly attacks me, and claims I am mean to him, or attack him. I have apologized for any unintended attacks, and he has not acknowledged anything I have said to him. I don't know why he has brought it to your attention, but it makes it even more clear to me that I need to bring it to the incidents board.
Also, the reason I removed the non-free tag was because I was advised to be bold and remove it by another user. It's going to come up in GA and FA review anyway, and you were ignoring me and AL who were trying to talk to you on the MD Talk page. I'm sorry if it was disruptive.--SexyKick 02:04, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.--SexyKick 02:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I hate that place. I do not feel I have any contribution to make. J Milburn (talk) 09:38, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

FPs
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I need help

A photographer with a high quality Temple Grandin image responded to my emails. Sadly, his Father passed away and is the reason for his delay. But he raises an important question that I need help answering: does releasing an image under the Share Alike 3.0 license allow for commercial redistribution? In other words, and I'm talking for him, if he released the image to Wikipedia under the Share Alike license, would anyone who published a book about Temple Grandin be able to use his image as the cover to their book with out compensating him? I read the license, but I want to be extra sure on this one. Also, he is English, so they have good courts. Please respond to my email account so I can put you on CC zeke.phillips@comcast.net Gut Monk (talk) 22:56, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk Page Stalker Strikes Again, but yes, to release an image to use freely on wikipedia/commons/wikimedia you have to ALLOW commercial use. He can limit that by only releasing a small size, to small to be effectively used for print media (a book cover), but to release it for use here, he has to accept others could use it for commercial intent. Theres several high-profile professional photographers that have released images here, just small web size versions sufficient to illustrate the article, but not big enough to do much else with outside of web media. Some photographers prefer that solution, others release their "bad" images that they don't intend to commercially exploit, thus protecting the value of their good images. Another valid method, or a combination of both. Sorry to jump right in. ;-) — raekyT 23:00, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Yep, Raeky's ideas are sound. I've replied by email as you requested. Requesting images can be difficult at times, but, take it from me, it's damn rewarding when it goes right. J Milburn (talk) 23:06, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
He should also be made aware that the "Share-Alike" option (used in the standard license of Wikipedia) requires even commercial re-use to be licensed under a free CC license, so the commercial aspect is countered by that requirement, which furthers the free spreading of knowledge. Best Hekerui (talk) 23:07, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Also a very valid point. Muhammad Mahdi Karim has another method he uses- the GFDL 1.2 only license requires that the entire text of the license be copied out when the image is used, making it horribly inconvenient for non-Internet usage. Still possible, but whoever publshed the book would legally need to print a load of pages of legalese in every book. That is, in some ways, the "least free" free license. J Milburn (talk) 23:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Images images images

Your twinkle edits have removed very important pictures in the article: 1. I'm not familiar with how licenses and copy-righted laws work, but the article looks weird with the dotted lines. Are there alternative images that can be used? Wikifan12345 (talk) 01:18, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

What does "non-free images should not be used decoratively like this" mean?. What constitutes "decoratively?" Wikifan12345 (talk) 09:32, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
All right I was just curious thanks. Wikifan12345 (talk) 09:52, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Notable?

Please take a look at this article about a Canadian group. I see no nobility in it: Gregory Hoskins and the Stickpeople Or this? Josef Kappl --Leahtwosaints (talk) 02:04, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

I'll get to this soon, I'm in a bit of a rush this morning. :) J Milburn (talk) 09:28, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
OK, thanks! --Leahtwosaints (talk) 02:03, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Nicholas Kratzer
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Heroscape Articles

In the same spirit, please do not revert me without comment or consideration. I am not a vandal. I admit the Heroscape articles are incomplete - they are works in progress. Please fill free to contribute to Wikipedia by adding to them and improving them. Happy editting! (The Matrix Prime (talk) 15:48, 3 August 2010 (UTC))

  • However I will attempt to condense and merge several of the articles together so that there are less of them. Sound fair enough? Please be patient, this will not all happen over night. (The Matrix Prime (talk) 15:56, 3 August 2010 (UTC))
    • I'm glad to see that you are open to reason. An edit war is something nobody wants, espically (as you can see if you look at the history of the various articles both before and after their restoration) that I'm not the only one who edits these pages, so it would not be an edit war between you and me, but between you and the Wikipedia community. And the hard feelings created by edit wars and the like are something we want to avoid. Thanks for willing to be mature about it and remember, this will not happen over night, nor over two or three nights. Stuff like this does take time and we all have real life things to deal with too. (The Matrix Prime (talk) 19:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC))
      • Me patronize you? I have been bending over backwards to please you, despite your continuing rude behavior. As for inappropriate behavior you need look no further then your own edits, those were done without discussion or edit summaries if you remember or you can even check. What I don't understand is why you keep on insisting as if the changes to these articles are a personal assault to your character, even though as far as I can see you have nothing invested in any of them. Please be assured that during their restoration the fact that it undid several of your edits was never considered. No one checked to see what you had been doing and then went through and undid all your edits or tried to get pages you had changed deleted. Please do not try to paste your actions or attitude on to me, I consider that slander. You keep demanding instant results when Wikipedia simply doesn’t work that way, but I’ve been doing my best to meet your demands anyway. And I am not the only person to be editing these pages, Wikipedia is a community of editors who work and cooperate together. I have no desire for a private little war over editing articles that I am only one of several people editing. I think you have stated your demands clearly, if you have nothing more constructive to say, then please do not continue to post comments on my Talk Page. If you want to say more, then I would please ask you to say anything further on the Heroscape Discussion pages where the other editors can also read and comment, as it would only be fair to them and everyone. Thank you. (The Matrix Prime (talk) 20:56, 4 August 2010 (UTC))
        • Yes, I think we all know you are not very tolerant, can you have this pity party elsewhere? Please, if you have nothing more constructive to say, or if you have anything else to say at all, please say it on the Heroscape Discussion page, where everyone can see it and reply. (The Matrix Prime (talk) 21:11, 4 August 2010 (UTC))

Batman

Apparently there must be some kind of mistake. I didn't undo anyone's edit. It was just a edit. Jhenderson777 (talk) 17:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Pectinaria koreni
Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured picture status, File:Pectinaria koreni (with and without tube).jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Makeemlighter (talk) 15:30, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of The Force (Channel 4 television series)

Hello! Your submission of The Force (Channel 4 television series) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Espresso Addict (talk) 22:43, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Your attention

Can I get your attention Wikipedia:Valued picture candidates/Elizabeth Elmore and The Reputation there, there is a concern that I think you may be able to offer your opinion on, I'm not entirely convinced that this uploader is really the photographer, I outlay my evidence there. — raekyT 04:19, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Hey, I'm not really sure what to do about this photo (File:Great_Eastern_Run_Route.pdf). It's my own photo, which I took myself, so I didn't think I had to do anything about its copyright status. Can you please tell me exactly what I should do about this, because I honestly have no idea. I thought you only had to give copyright information if it wasn't your own photo.

Thanks

AndrewvdBK (talk) 12:59, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I sent you the wrong link. The PDF image for Great Eastern Run isn't mine and I have informed the user who told me about it that they can delete it. However, the photo File:View of Seoul.JPG is my own and it is this photo that I was referring to in my last message (sorry for the confusion). What should I do about this photo, seeing as it is my own?

Thanks

AndrewvdBK (talk) 13:11, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

OK, thanks for all your help.

AndrewvdBK (talk) 13:52, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Adil khan.jpg

Hi Milburn, I uploaded this file yesterday, I have given all the informations, this is not of my creation. But I have given the name of the photographer. I got this picture from adil khan in an email, where the photographer has given permission to get it uploaded. adil had forwarded me the email. This is the email in Norwegian language. "

From: Morten Bendiksen <morten@bendiksen.no> Date: 4. august 2010 10:12:24 GMT+02:00 To: Adil Khan <adil@adil.no> Subject: Re: Bilder


Hei Adil,

beklager at jeg ikke har fått svart deg før nå. Det går litt fort i svingene her. Du må gjerne bruke bildet på wikipedia og det er helt greit for meg at det kan lastes ned. Trenger du noe offesielt fra meg eller holder det at jeg sier det er ok i denne mailen?

Håper du koser deg i solen :-)"

Med vennlig hilsen

Morten


here is the word after word translation with google translater, that is why this is not that good.

" Hi Adil,

sorry I have not answered you before now. There is a bit fast in the turns here. You're welcome to use the picture on wikipedia and it's okay for me that it can be downloaded. Need something officially from me or will I say it is ok in this email?

Hope you enjoy the sun :-)

Sincerely,

Morten"

please, let me know what do you need to satisfy you. But since I have uploaded the same picture 3 times, can you delete the 2 which I did not add any description for. Please reply. regards Jogibaba (talk) 16:40, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Please give me some time, I have to contact Adil Khan and ask him if decltype can talk to the photographer, Becasue decltype want to talk to the photographer to get the picture released. But I wonder that I also uploaded the Kjersti Alveberg the same way and it was ok. RegardsJogibaba (talk) 16:59, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

I sent an email to the photographer Morten Bendiksen explaining that the image of Adil Khan must be licensed under a free license, what the cc-by-sa-3.0 license is, that he is under no obligation to release the image, and how to provide evidence of permission if he wants to release the image. Let's see how he responds. Hekerui (talk) 17:02, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

please give me some time, I am trying to contact adil khan because it is he who sent me the email with the picture and permission, please can you put this picture in the same mode as Kjersti Alveberg is. Because i don't know what mistake i made this time.Jogibaba (talk) 17:21, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
That actually wasn't necessary, since I sent him the same e-mail earlier today, in his native language :) Of course, there was no way you could know that. Hopefully the response will be positive nonetheless. Regards, decltype (talk) 17:46, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Oh my, I had clicked the decltype link and wondered because I landed at a programming language and thought this was a mistake! lol Hekerui (talk) 17:56, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Ah, yes. Since I am (probably) not notable enough for a mainspace article, there is no hatnote that links to me from that article :) decltype (talk) 18:20, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Heroscape

I've chipped in at Talk:Heroscape#New_articles.2C_categories.2C_etc and copied that post to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Board_and_table_games#Heroscape_-_cross_posting_from_Talk:Heroscape, in the hope of getting more eyes onto these strange pages and categories. PamD (talk) 17:46, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

  • You'll be pleased (I hope) to learn that I've managed to restore most of your redirects and collapse all the various pages into just six pages. These pages themselves still need a lot of work of course, but still, I hope you'll think its a significant improvement. (The Matrix Prime (talk) 19:26, 5 August 2010 (UTC))

Utgar's Faction (Heroscape)

The crest serves the same function as the flag of a country or state (see United States for example). Unless you are planning on going through and deleting all flags and seals of all countries on Wikipedia (real or fictional) your rational is invalid. However if you feel that the current set up is unclear to its usage, please feel free to correct it, that would be appreciated. (The Matrix Prime (talk) 19:15, 5 August 2010 (UTC))

  • Umm, is it possible you did not understand the comparison? I'm not sure what you mean by "complicated". Please feel free to look at the example I posted - I can provide more links if you need them. (The Matrix Prime (talk) 19:29, 5 August 2010 (UTC))
    • Well you make it difficult to work on any articles if I keep having to stop in order to deal with the last thing you've pulled out. Its very disruptive have to deal with so many things at once rather then being able to resolve them one at a time as they come up. Prehaps it would help if you could point out at an actual used example in an actual article rather then quoting regulations or even do it yourself to show how it is done. (The Matrix Prime (talk) 16:20, 6 August 2010 (UTC))
      • Well I hope to focus on the important stuff, but its disruptive when I have to race off to save an article or image from deletion, you understand. The in-universe is something I'm trying to work on, but I keep being called away to deal with the last crisis. Hopefully this will take care of the problem - I've add the fair-use-rational to the image's page - look it over and see if it fits the standards would you? If it turns out it just needs to be tweeked a little, would you mind doing that too then? Thanks (The Matrix Prime (talk) 16:33, 6 August 2010 (UTC))

File - Polyhymnia - Jonathan Little and Kyrie- Jonathan Little

Hi - thanks for note re copyright issues on Audio files I uploaded(File - Polyhymnia - Jonathan Little and Kyrie- Jonathan Little). I have received these directly from Jonathan Little with an email from him allowing use but will get back to him to request permissions in correct format for you once I have worked out method. May not be able to do this until 8th August but will be on it. Rzanker (talk) 20:55, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

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dock jumpingI forgot the tag, is this ok? It has been 2 years since I have uploaded an image. And the image is mine....Thanks....gd8man (talk) 21:24, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Uploaded files

User talk:Superbrutaka07.The images posted by me had been taken from my camera itself. So I don't think that they should be deleted. I'm sorry I didn't provide any info while uploading it as I didn't know how to do so.Superbrutaka07 FCB Rocks!!!Messi Rules!!! —Preceding undated comment added 12:14, 6 August 2010 (UTC).

Orphaned non-free image File:Spoilt Rotten Dalrymple cover 10.JPG

Thanks for the message re: the above file. I'm working on my [page] on the article which will host the above image, and it was here that I originally uploaded it, however, a BOT deleted it. Can I not upload such images to articles being prepared on talk pages? I would regret it if it became deleted as it is the book's front cover. Please advise and best wishes. Jprw (talk) 15:28, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification -- I'll try to move the page within a week. Cheers, Jprw (talk) 16:21, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you!

I know you and I historically don't get along, but thank you for cleaning up File:GunCrazy2DVDCover.jpg, which I requested undeleted. I appreciate your legwork.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 09:20, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

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