User talk:JipTheDog

October 2024

Hello I recently noticed your revision on Dietrich Bonhoeffer where you removed sourced content along with reference without adequately explaining why. If that was a mistake, worry not your edit has been reverted. If you think i made a mistake, reach me on my talk page. Vedant Katyayan (talk) 23:12, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. I probably should have only deleted the sentence about Bonhoeffer being an activist against abortion. Bonhoeffer was not an anti-abortion activist in the mode of modern American Fundamentalist Christians and did not use the term "American Holocaust". No one used this term in the 1930s and 1940s it would have been anachronistic. The source cited does not say this and is actually about the *misuse* of the term, the abstract says "References to the abortion Holocaust proliferate in the literature of the international Christian pro-life movement. This essay examines the ability of this term to recruit people into social activism as a form of lived religion. It shows how it mobilizes people across the theological and political spectrum and radicalizes some into using violent means of resistance and terrorism. The term distorts the history of Nazi reproductive policy and abortion legislation and minimizes the mass murder of Jews to the point of denial and revisionism. By embracing this term, the Christian pro-life movement constructs a totalizing world view that mandates intolerance and legitimates violence as necessary and appropriate." THe next sentence cites Eric Metaxis who is an American political activist not a Bonhoeffer scholar

You will probably dismiss me, but I'm just irritated by anti-abortion extremeists trying to hijack Dietrich Bonhoeffer and his legacy. JipTheDog (talk) 23:38, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You sure that Dietrich Bonhoeffer wasn't anti-abortion? He literally related abortion with murder as per what i've read. Vedant Katyayan (talk) 00:18, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He was not an "anti-abortion activist". Abortion was illegal in Germany and America during his lifetime and was widely viewed as a bad thing but was nothing like his primary or even secondary focus. Anti-abortion activism was not a thing during his lifetime because it was *already banned*. The sentence says "It was because of these views that Bonhoeffer later became an activist against abortion, which he referred to as "the American Holocaust." This is simply *false*. The source cited, a chapter from a book entitled "*Lived Religion and the Politics of (In)Tolerance*" actually details the modern anti-abortion movement's descent into violence-condoning extremism. Dietrich Bonhoeffer never called abortion the "the American Holocaust" an the source cited absolutely does not say this. The person citing this book has obviously not read it. JipTheDog (talk) 00:43, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]