User talk:Marshelec/Archive 5

Waimakariri Irrigation Limited

Kia ora Marshelec, hope all's well. I remember that you once crafted a superb article on an irrigation project (Rangitata Diversion Race). By sheer chance, I wrote bios for two Marmaduke Dixons (father and son). I was mucking around with mountains in the Southern Alps and the son was a notable mountaineer. Turns out that both of them were instrumental in getting irrigation north of the Waimakariri River going. This page covers the history. Is that something that you could be interested working on? I wouldn't do it by myself apart from the historic aspect. What do you think? Schwede66 05:30, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

@Schwede66: Hi. It's nice to be given a challenge, so I guess I will have a go at this. However, my trouble is balancing my volunteer time commitments. I am heavily involved in athletics administration and management in Wellington, and like so many other amateur sports, athletics really struggles to attract and retain volunteers (you need around 20 volunteers at least to run a good track and field meet, and many of these need certified qualifications to enable records to be accepted). We are really short of volunteers, and this puts a lot of pressure on those such as myself who are still willing to help out. I will try to find time to get started on this, but I can't generally commit lots of time to Wikipedia, even though I do enjoy searching out references and writing content.

On another matter, I have recently been on a most enjoyable holiday in Queenstown and Fiordland. In Queenstown, I took a trip on the Earnslaw, and found this absolutely great. I have now done some editing of the article TSS Earnslaw, although it still has a way to go. After the Earnslaw trip, I then went on a 5 day "Discovery Cruise" from Preservation Inlet to Doubtful Sound, also operated by Real Journeys. Since returning, I have looked at the article Real Journeys, and found that it is obviously written by a company journalist. It would need a lot of work to dig out independent references (if they can indeed be found), and purge the narrative of promotional language etc. I see that you have made a few edits (I guess they were consequential to other work). Real Journeys is certainly an important company in the NZ Tourism sector, but do you think it is worthwhile for me to put time into reworking the Real Journeys article into something more appropriate in style and content ?? Marshelec (talk) 04:57, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Nice to hear from you. As you know, if you want a job done, give it to a busy person. Isn't that how the saying goes? Regarding Real Journeys:

• Yes, I did a bit of a tidy up as part of writing about knights and dames (not that Les Hutchins was a knight, but you know what I mean).
• Yes, it would be good for this article to be further tidied up.

I've encouraged other editors to help via the Wikipedia New Zealand Facebook group. If you are on Facebook, feel free to join! Schwede66 20:12, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Getting started with QGIS

@Canley:. Hi ! I liked your demonstration of QGIS during our online meetup last Sunday. I have downloaded a copy, but I would appreciate some form of start-up assistance. I need a "driving lesson". I have not used a GIS tool before so I need a beginner's level introduction. If there is something available on Youtube or similar, can you send me a link please ? If there is nothing suitable, could you find some time to give me some initial guidance during an online meetup please ? My immediate interest is in producing maps that would show the outline/ boundaries of protected areas in New Zealand - particularly scientific and scenic reserves. Thanks, Marshelec (talk) 04:37, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Sure, happy to run you through the basics in an online meetup. Give me a few days and I'll try and work out a good way to do what you want to do (boundaries of NZ protected areas). I'll let you know... --Canley (talk) 13:11, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Ideas for Wikicon Wellington 27-28 November 2021

Kia ora @Ambrosia10:. At the last Wellington meetup, those present discussed ideas for the Wikicon to be held in Wellington 27-28 November. I agreed to contact Otari-Wilton's Bush as a possible site for a field trip to encourage Wikicon participants to expand stub articles about rare and endangered plants - the idea is to ask for knowledgeable volunteers from the Otari network to be our hosts, and to have a pre-planned tour where we see examples of plants that currently have no article in Wikipedia, or only a stub, or no photo etc. I have made some useful contacts and received a good initial response. I will follow up and if the initial response is confirmed I am happy to be the co-ordinator :)

The other idea was to contact the Royal Society to invite them to host a session during the Wikicon where they present and overview of some of their current work, with the intention to encourage improved coverage in Wikipedia. I don't have any contacts with the Royal Society - but perhaps you do ? If you think this is a good idea, can you suggest a contact, or would you like to make this contact yourself ? What do you think ? Marshelec (talk) 08:06, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Kia ora @Marshelec, I don't have any contacts with the Royal Society but I do agree that this is a good idea to explore. It is possible that either @DrThneed or @Giantflightlessbirds may know someone or have knowledge about whom to contact with regard to this. Hopefully they can assist. - ~~~~ Ambrosia10 (talk) 03:12, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

I've had regular meetings and communications with various people at the Royal Society since 2017 and have still not had any luck at getting them to host another edit-a-thon, work with Wellington volunteers, regularly upload their prizegiving ceremony photos to Commons, or anything else. I have various contact emails and have had three sit-down planning meetings with different people over the years. If you think you can do better that would be great: drop me a line and I'll pass on info. Best of luck! —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 03:35, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Giantflightlessbirds, I had several useful conversations at last night's event (including with an interesting person from the Ministry of Ed). Whether that amounts to anything we will see - I will be following up on some issues next week, Marshall, so will raise the possibility of event in November and see what they think. That is a busy month for them from memory, with awards events. I had wondered if Pakoire would want to include some performing arts work at the Wgtn meeting.

DrThneed (talk) 04:16, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject update - Performing Arts Aotearoa 20 June

Many thanks to all who have contributed so far. There are 28 new Wikipedia articles and over 500 new Wikidata entries. The Kia Mau Festival mini edit-a-thon happened with useful learning for me about what seems simple and what is possible. I am proud of the persistence of editors – a much improved article for Audrey Brown-Pereira for example, a new article for The Māori Sidesteps and lots of links from performance UPU to various poets. And many Wikidata entries.

You can now link to the project page through my website (http://www.lisamaule.info). Easier to remember and google-able (Wikiproject Lisa) if you want to direct other people where to look.

Things to do:

• DEEPEN CONTENT: Have a look at the new articles on the project page: User:Pakoire/Performing Arts Aotearoa - Wiki Project. Many can be expanded including with this resource: Theatre Aotearoa database https://tadb.otago.ac.nz/theatre

• LINKABLE ARTICLES: Create articles for a venue, a company or a festival. This will help facilitate biographies being linked to other articles. Suggestions on project page.

• KEEP GOING with your own area. Let me know what you are up to. See my new research google doc (linked on the project page) – feel free to comment if you need something (ask me for permission to edit)

• IMPROVE ANY ARTICLE on any performing arts topic, theatre, dance, venues – feel free to use my suggestions as a starting point and then going where it takes you. Reach out for suggestions in your area of interest, or ideas for research. I am a subject expert which helps with searching, and now have a pool of academics and others who I can ask too.

Examples of articles to get formatting ideas:

• New Zealand Opera • Dunedin Writers & Readers Festival • Bangarra Dance Theatre • Hugo Weaving • Tusiata Avia • Kia Mau Festival • Circa Theatre • New Zealand Festival of the Arts • Raewyn Hill

Very simple stub articles: • Eagles Theatre • Camden Fringe

DIARY the three in person edit-a-thons now scheduled 10am - 4pm:

Dunedin Saturday 10 July (location tbc) - topic Allen Hall and contemporary companies in Dunedin

Auckland Saturday 14 August (location tbc) - topic Auckland Women in performing arts

Wellington Saturday 21 August (Nola Millar Library, Te Whaea) - topic Toi Whakaari and New Zealand School of Dance alumni

Many thanks – do what you can (might be nothing, might just be one citation) and take care, Lisa

Next steps for article: Electricity sector in Turkey

@Chidgk1:. Merhaba ! I would like to begin collaborative work on further improvements to the article Electricity sector in Turkey.

My initial proposal is to focus on the sub-topics under Generation, and to improve each one so that it provides a reasonable overview of that sub-topic, as well as a link to the associated "child" article. This will probably require updating or preparing new content in the "child" articles. So in effect, this means a Wiki project of upgrading a web of interconnected articles related to electricity in Turkey.

Based on a quick review this morning, a possible starting point is Hydro-electric generation. I see that the list article List of hydroelectric power stations in Turkey is out of date. It does not show the total installed capacity of 28,503 MW (2019) that is quoted in this reference: [1]. If we can improve the list article, then we can update Hydroelectricity in Turkey and from there, provide a concise summary in the section Electricity sector in Turkey#Hydro. So my first suggestion is to try and improve the list article List of hydroelectric power stations in Turkey. Does that seem like a sensible approach ?

Also, what do you think is the best approach for our collaboration ? There will be lots of queries/exchanges to resolve points - (particularly since it is difficult for me at present to know what is available in the large number of citations in the current article). What do you think is the best platform to use for this kind of correspondence:

1. individual article talk pages (so that all our correspondence is immediately accessible by any other editor looking at that page)
2. our own user talk pages (as in this note)
3. a specially created user project page that you would set up for this purpose - probably with a separate section for each of the articles that we decide require some work (general queries and correspondence about each article would take place here, before significant changes are made to the articles concerned)
4. some other online collaborative platform outside of Wikimedia (eg OneDrive)

If you think it would be better to start with a sub-topic other than hydro-electricity - no problem. Just let me know your thoughts. Marshelec (talk) 00:15, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for offering so much of your time and expertise. My health is up and down so some days you might get quick replies and lots of changes and other days nothing or I might be resting by doing something simple on other easier pages. Hard to tell how much I will be able to do and when. I think individual talk pages best. Re which subarticles as my focus is climate change I am more interested in the ones which emit most greenhouse gas - that is why I focused on coal to start. But obviously hydro will have some synergy with your NZ hydro article so please charge ahead on anything you wish. Re the lists I got frustrated by lack of integration with Wikidata and kind of gave up here but continued on Turkish - I should write you separate talk section about that as it is a bit complex. Chidgk1 (talk) 05:17, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

@Chidgk1: I totally understand about your availability, and will not pressure you, or expect immediate responses. Health and well-being must come first. My own availability is moderately high, but I do have a life (and a partner) outside of Wikipedia, and I like to keep fit by cycling and running with older guys like myself, so there will be days when I don't do anything on Wikipedia. Plus I have other Wikipedia projects on the go.

For next steps with Electricity sector in Turkey, lets go with coal-fired generation first. I have looked at List of active coal-fired power stations in Turkey. My initial suggestion is to split this article and move almost all the narrative content into Coal-fired power stations in Turkey (or similar title), so that the list article is just a list of power stations. I know that might perhaps break some citation links if there are things in the narrative that are also referenced from the list, but I think it is worthwhile. If you agree with this approach, I will create an article in draft namespace that we can work on together, copying content from the existing list article. The narrative content would be reviewed and improved if required, and an improved summary could be written. From that point, we would publish the draft article into mainspace, and in turn, the summary can be copied up into the Electricity sector in Turkey, with the parent-child link changed to the new article. What do you think ?Marshelec (talk) 07:21, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Article templates

@David Nind:. Hi, can you please send me a link to the page you showed at our Wellington meetup group on 3 July. It is not linked in the meeting notes (but I think we should add it, and possibly also include it in the list of "Training aids and resources". Thanks Marshelec (talk) 03:23, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

• Here is the link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Article_templates David Nind 08:11, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

New bio article - Bryan Crump

@Schwede66:. Hi, when you can find some time, can you please help me out with a draft bio article I have prepared: Draft:Bryan Crump A question I am struggling with at present is whether to give any detailed coverage to his approx 16 years as presenter/ interviewer on the RNZ Nights programme. RNZ currently publishes some great information about the Nights programme on their website here: [2]. Plus, there are lots of internet references mentioning an interview on Nights, However, I am really unsure about how much (if anything) to include in the biography article about the topics covered over so many years (plus it might be difficult to get content from earlier years). Looking at a comparable article Kim Hill (broadcaster) I see that there is no coverage of her programmes - only her somewhat difficult interview with John Pilger. What do you think ? Also, I would appreciate some peer review, before I move the article to mainspace. Many thanks. Marshelec (talk) 22:39, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

I have time for a small task like that. I'm aware that I said I would work on the Electricity article but it may have to wait until after the Olympics. Schwede66 22:44, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Right, I've had a go with small edits each time so that edit summaries are useful. With regards to your question above, I haven't been able to find the relevant guidance, but what you need to do is to have a balanced article. The article's scope is obviously the person. If, say, 70% of the article was about the content of his programme, that would be a problem. Or in other words, the longer a base article, the easier it gets to add details about what exactly they do without losing the article's scope. With regards to how this is handled in other bios, a good way is to look for radio personalities that are rated FA or GA class. In its current form, the draft is in good shape. Once categories have been added, it's ready for mainspace. But it's of course ok to keep working on it in draft space. If nothing else, it avoids edit conflicts. Schwede66 23:35, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

@Schwede66: Many thanks, those improvements are great. I will probably move it to mainspace this afternoon. I think it reaches "Start class" quality at this point.Marshelec (talk) 23:43, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

It's not far off C class. Schwede66 23:57, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject update - Performing Arts Aotearoa 04 August

Many thanks to all who have contributed so far. Half way through.

There are two more scheduled edit-a-thons as part of this project:

• Auckland on Saturday 14 August 10.30am - 4pm at the Auckland Theatre Company studio - 487 Dominion Road, Mt Eden, Auckland 1024. The focus is influential Auckland women in performing arts.
• Wellington on Saturday 21 Augusts 10.30am - 4pm at the Nola Millar Library, Te Whaea: National Dance and Drama Centre - 11 Hutchison Street, Newtown, Wellington. The focus is staff and graduates of Toi Whakaari and the New Zealand School of Dance.

Please diary and attend in person or remotely if you are able.

• Examples of articles to create: Tanea Heke, Turid Revfeim, Taiaroa Royal, Taane Mete, Sarah Foster-Sproull, Paul Mathews, Dolina Wehipeihana, Miriama McDowell, Cathy Downes, Elizabeth Whiting
• Examples of articles to improve: New Zealand School of Dance, Hori Ahipene, Mitch Tawhi Thomas, The New Zealand Dance Company, Pop-up Globe

Add suggested articles to the project pages or get in touch with me. A Women in Red (WIR) August campaign is Indigenous women and there are heaps on my list so if you create or improve these articles be sure to tag WIR on the talk page. Pakoire (talk) 09:19, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

UPDATE
WIKIPEDIA
There are now 31 new Wikipedia articles reported on the project page that include 19 new biographies, 14 of these about women and six are of people of colour (three Māori people). Keep up the good work. Keep seeking out women and people of colour to celebrate through Wikipedia.

WIKIDATA
The targets specified in this project for Wikidata were exceeded within the first week of the project with the concerted efforts of two editors. A Wikidata item was created to track entries. Performing Arts Aotearoa New Zealand (Q106787482). With claims of ethnicity the policy is to include references from a biography, interview or personal website. Ethnicity of white people is strongly encouraged to be included where this information is available. Māori is listed and then also iwi (tribe/s).

EDIT-A-THON DUNEDIN
The Ōtepoti Dunedin Edit-a-thon was a success. It was at the Hocken Library on Saturday 10 July. The coordinator Pakoire and co-host DrThneed were joined in person by seven others, which included six new editors from the performing arts community, and two people working remotely in Wellington and Christchurch.

The new editors added 27 references to Wikipedia between them and a total of 2,017 words. Comments from new editors after they had learnt the basics and started editing related to how accessible they found doing it. There was motivation amongst many in the group to continue to meet as a way of progressing the articles they are interested in. With the experienced editors overall including Wikidata the edit-a-thon added 48.1K words, 4 commons uploads, 245 references, across 53 articles including 4 new Wikipedia articles and 15 new Wikidata articles.

COI
Conflict of interest (COI) is an area of consideration for editing in performing arts, since most subject experts are also practicing arts and producers. The edit-a-thon / meetup format was useful and people worked on unrelated articles but in tandem with others who knew where to get information.

IMAGES
There is more work to do to create opportunities to upload images to Wikimedia Commons under appropriate licences, as predicted this involves a lot of education with individuals and organisations as well as motivating people to follow through.
Take some pics of a local entertainment venue and upload them. Music venues, amateur arts, town hall, converted theatre, you would be surprised what isn’t there.

SUPPORT
All edits count - reach out if you need help or guidance and many thanks for any contribution you can make.

Pakoire (talk) 09:19, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject update - Performing Arts Aotearoa 19 August

A short update this time.
The project has created 74 new Wikipedia articles and improvements to many. An example is one person has been working through improving and creating notable composers of New Zealand which is a great enhancement to Wikipedia. There is a now a regular meetup happening in Ōtepoti.

The COVID19 status of New Zealand means the next workshop is fully online. Wellington Saturday 21 August
Please add yourself to the project page and dashboard of you are able to do any editing. You can join into the zoom (link below) – come to the introduction at 10.30am, pop into the ‘Tearoom’ to say hello to others and informally ask questions. You can also work by yourself (please add yourself to the dashboard for the reporting).

Here is a google doc with suggested articles categories as 'dance' and 'theatre' with links to references. You can make suggestions with comments.

• Articles to develop Performing Arts Aotearoa google doc

Saturday 21 Aug ZOOM Wikipedia Edit-a-thon Lisa Maule is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.

Join Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85672644820?pwd=QnJWdXk1TCtZenBEaHJMZEZGbXRWdz09

Meeting ID: 856 7264 4820 Passcode: 907118

New bio article - Susan Wilson

@Schwede66: Hi, I received a suggestion from User:Pakoire that I create an article for Susan Wilson, as part of the Performing Arts Aotearoa project. I have created a stub article today: Susan Wilson (director), but have struggled a bit with getting references. I have not yet found anything that quotes age or DoB. I think you have a copy of Who's Who - is that right ? Could you see if she is listed. ? The National Library has listings in their index system, but I will need to visit to see these. In the meantime, if there is anything you could look up for me without going to too much trouble, I would be grateful.Marshelec (talk) 04:40, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Well, I do have that book but it’s already moved to our new home and we are still in Christchurch. In fact, I used to have two copies of that book and gave one away in Hokitika. I think User:Paora took it. Schwede66 05:06, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

@Schwede66: @Marshelec: Yes, it was the 1978 edition, and she is unfortunately not listed. Paora (talk) 05:24, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Edit response

I meant alleviate in this edit. My mistake by making a typo. Helper201 (talk) 08:42, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Proposed page name change - Kārearea

@Giantflightlessbirds:. Hi, I seek your feedback on this proposal before putting it up on the Talk page of the article: New Zealand falcon

There is widespread use of the name Kārearea (as the principal name) across multiple sources (although only some include the macron). Based on my survey of news items, the name Kārearea, is now predominant as the principal name.

• Many news items use karearea as principal name in a story: [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10]
• Some news items use New Zealand falcon in the title, but include the name Karearea as the principal name in the body of the article: [11], [12], [13], [14],[15],
• Some news stories use NZ Falcon, with Karearea as a secondary name: [16], [17],
• A few recent news stories about the New Zealand falcon don't use the name Karearea at at all: [18]

On websites, there is a mixture, with no clear pattern that I can observe.

The name Kārearea was used as the principal name in 2012 Bird of the Year competition, with New Zealand falcon as secondary.[19]

Overall, I think it is timely to propose a page move. Do you agree ? If so, the question is should it be straight to Kārearea, or perhaps Kārearea/ New Zealand falcon ??. I will also need a bit of guidance about how to propose this, given that it might attract some controversy. Should I just start with a section like this on the talk page, wait a couple of weeks for feedback, and then move the page if there is no significant opposition, or go to a formal page move proposal ? Marshelec (talk) 06:57, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

I think this one will be a stretch, as we don't seem to have consistent usage of the Māori name across most media, and it seems iffy to say it's the predominant one in recent reliable sources. What might be helpful is a template I've been drafting in my sandbox which we could use in cases like this: it lists the main sources and lets us tabulate which do and don't use Te Reo names. User:Giantflightlessbirds/sandbox/Draft_space. It still needs some work, but this might be the approach to take. Suggestions welcome.

—Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 10:28, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

@Giantflightlessbirds:. I have tried out the draft template, and made reasonable progress as you can see below. One of the difficulties is that some sources use Falcon in the title, and then go on to use Kārearea as the predominant name in the body of the article (sometimes with New Zealand falcon afterwards in parentheses). This makes it hard to declare the "prevailing spelling" in the template. This apparent conflict in the choice of predominant name in just one source is interesting, and perhaps just indicates what we already know - that there is a gradual change occurring, and that use of words from Te Reo (including Kārearea) is far more common in recent sources. Some sources like Te Ara provide a date for their postings, and that is helpful in understanding how old the content might be, but this is not common on websites. I think I will need to go to the National Library to access some of the other sources. What are your impressions at this stage ?

Current (post-2018) usage in reliable sources

Source	type	prevailing spelling	Ref
Te Ara	online New Zealand encyclopedia	New Zealand falcon	[20] (published 2007, revised 2015), 2, 3
Department of Conservation	government department	New Zealand falcon Kārearea	[21],[22], 3
New Zealand Geographic	independent magazine	Kārearea in some, falcon in others	[23] (Dec 2016), [24], [25], [26]
North & South	independent magazine		1, 2, 3
New Zealand Listener	independent magazine		1, 2, 3
RNZ	state-owned radio	Kārearea (majority) and Falcon	[27], [28], [29]
New Zealand Herald	major newspaper	Karearea and falcon	[30],[31], [32] [33]
Stuff	major news company	Kārearea	[34],[35], [36]
Newshub	major news company	Kārearea and falcon	[37], [38], [39]
TVNZ	state-owned broadcaster	Kārearea and falcon	[40], [41]
Royal Society Te Apārangi	independent scientific academy		1, 2, 3
Forest and Bird	conservation organisation	Kārearea	[42], [43], [44],[45]
Zealandia	private wildlife sanctuary	Kārearea	[46], [47], [48]
Auckland Zoo	largest NZ zoo		1, 2, 3
New Zealand $20 banknote	5th series	Kārearea	[49], [50], [51]

Marshelec (talk) 01:08, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

The template seems to be working! It certainly gives us a quick overview of prevailing usage. I'm suprised to see the Herald doesn't use the macron. For Royal Society I tend to look through scientific journals they publish for style: no usage of the name in NZ J Zool after a quick search. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 01:29, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject update - Performing Arts Aotearoa 08 September

The Performing Arts Aotearoa Wikiproject officially ends in 2 days. I am happy with the momentum that has built since the project started. Many thanks to everybody who was able to contribute.

There are 99 new articles listed on the project page. Performing Arts Aotearoa Wikiproject

• If there are others not listed please can you update.
  
• If you have a draft waiting to be moved into main space please list it too (or move it)

I am looking to maintain the project in an ongoing way connected to New Zealand Wikipedia, I will let you know where.

Pakoire (talk) 03:35, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Name of Kererū in recent reliable sources

This table shows the predominant name used for the Kererū (New Zealand pigeon) in recent reliable sources. A few sources list the other names for this bird in Te Reo ( The name - New Zealand pigeon appears as a secondary name in some sources. A few sources have mixed use of the two names through their content, but even so, the predominant usage in those sources is still Kererū. The same word is used for singular and plural.

Name used in reliable sources

Source	type	predominant form in text in this source	Ref
Te Ara	online New Zealand encyclopedia	kererū	[52],[53], [54]
Department of Conservation	government department	kererū	[55],[56], [57]
New Zealand Geographic	independent magazine	kererū	[58], [59], [60]
North & South	independent magazine		1, 2, 3
New Zealand Listener	independent magazine		1, 2, 3
RNZ	state-owned radio	kererū	[61], [62], [63]
New Zealand Herald	major newspaper	kererū	[64],[65],[66]
Stuff	major news company	kererū	[67],[68], [69]
Newshub	major news company	kererū	[70], [71], [72]
TVNZ	state-owned broadcaster	kererū	[73], [74],[75]
Royal Society Te Apārangi	independent scientific academy		1, 2, 3
Forest and Bird	conservation organisation	kererū	[76], [77], [78]
Zealandia	private wildlife sanctuary	kererū	[79] (mixed usage), [80], [81]
Auckland Zoo	largest NZ zoo	kererū	[82], [83], [84]
New Zealand Birds Online	Encylopedia of New Zealand birds	kereru	[85] (but heading is NZ pigeon)

New article for Kaikoura District - oops

@Schwede66:. Hi, sorry to bother you, but I need some brief help. I took up your suggestion about the Kaikōura article, and have copied all content that is relevant to the district, and created a new article Kaikoura District. I created the article by overwriting a re-direct page for Kaikoura District (without a macron). However, I was probably a bit hasty. When I went to try to move the page to the name with a macron, I found that I couldn't do this because there is still a redirect with that name. I don't know what to do next. Can you please fix this for me ? Sorry to be a nuisance. Please have a quick look at the article as it stands, if you have time. Thanks Marshelec (talk) 02:11, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

No problems at all. Done. Schwede66 06:36, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Additional content for Kererū article: Great Kererū Count

@Ambrosia10:. This year's annual Kererū count is to be the last, but the results have been encouraging. If you think it is appropriate, we could add something like this to the Kererū article:

The final Great Kererū Count was held in 2021, with more sightings recorded than in previous years. There were 24,562 kererū counted in the 10 day period 17-26 September, with 28% from Auckland city.

Marshelec (talk) 20:05, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi Marshelec, that seems a perfectly fine edit as you've got a citation to back it up. It looks like the good review of this article is nearing completion as well which is great news. Still the occasional issue is being raised via citations but I'm gradually working through those as they happen. Ambrosia10 (talk) 21:50, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Ambrosia10:. Hi, after considerable negotiation and some delays, I have finally got a contributor to upload a video of kererū feeding See: /media/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Kerer%C5%AB_feeding_in_tree_lucerne.webm. Please have a look and see if you think it is good enough to include in the article, and if so, where. Marshelec (talk) 06:06, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@Marshelec Well done! I think it should probably be included in the diet section as it is a great video of the kererū eating leaves - a behaviour that is mentioned in that section. Ambrosia10 (talk) 17:57, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Continuing Electricity sector in Turkey

Hello Marshelec,

I hope you are well. As several new reports are now being released I hope to restart work on this article very soon. Might your expertise be available?

Chidgk1 (talk) 07:22, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Chidgk1: (or in New Zealand we would say kia ora). I have been reasonably active on Wikipedia over the past few months, but distracted by a great many other topics. I probably spread myself too thinly :). Plus I have other things I enjoy like cycling and running, with a group of older men like me. If you are keen to commence further improvements to the Electricity sector in Turkey article, I will do what I can to assist. It is a challenging topic to present in an encyclopedia article.

Thinking about some of the points I made in earlier review of this article, I am still of the opinion that the "summary" style - where you have a heading and a link to a more detailed article on that topic - still requires some brief carefully worded content about the most important points in that subordinate article. I asked a question about this at the Teahouse, and was given a reply along those lines. They said that when writing the main article we should not make any assumption that the reader will necessarily read subordinate articles, yet we should aim to give at least some insight into key content. Further, content in the summary needs to have at least some references - it is not enough to rely on references being provided in the subordinate article.

Anyway, I have some availability over the next 6 weeks or so, and will do what I can to help out. Perhaps you might assign me a topic area to work on, especially if you have new or improved references ? Marshelec (talk) 08:29, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Litter in New Zealand

Kia ora Marshelec, I am new to editing Wikipedia and am currently working on expanding Litter in New Zealand and would appreciate help. I noticed on your user page that you have recently enhanced Water supply and sanitation in New Zealand and that you created an article on water supply and sanitation in the Wellington region. While these articles may not directly relate to Litter in New Zealand, they all deal with sanitation. Given your editing experience, I would greatly appreciate it if you were to review my stub article and leave feedback. While the article is not yet finished, my particular concerns are its readability and neutrality. Thank you. Isabel.miriam (talk) 04:22, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

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Dab

"(firefighter)" will do. There's no problem moving pages later on if consensus emerges that something else is more suitable. I've looked at Category:Firefighters and its subcategories and this is what appears to be in use, unless the person is notable for something other than firefighting. Schwede66 21:37, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

@Schwede66: Thanks, I have gone ahead as you suggested, and created a brief article. If you can find time, please have a look: Ian Walker (firefighter). Cheers, Marshelec (talk) 02:13, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Electricity sector in Turkey - resilience section

@Chidgk1: The topic of resilience in electricity systems is multi-faceted, and is a challenge to describe briefly in an encyclopaedia. It is also likely to be difficult to find good sources to cite. Looking at the present content of this section, I think it would probably be best to delete it. I have added my comments in italics into a copy of the text in the Resilience section as it stands.

Earthquakes in Turkey are common and sometimes cut transmission lines and destroy substations.[148] After purchasing a property in an urban area earthquake insurance is compulsory before the electricity and other utilities are connected.[149] This is really about resilience of property owners, not the electricity sector. Because many of the trapped people rescued from rubble are located via their phones household earthquake preparedness includes keeping phones well charged and keeping plenty of batteries in the house.[150] This again is about civil defence preparedness, not the electricity sector.

In case of emergencies, distribution grids can be remotely controlled by SCADA.[151] Distribution grids are routinely controlled via SCADA. The source actually describes a mobile "command centre" that can be taken into an area following major disruption, to assist with recovery and restoration. It seems that it is intended to cover for the total loss of a major SCADA control centre. New Zealand has two national control centres in different locations, each of which can almost instantly take control of the entire grid if the other has to be evacuated or fails. Real resilience goes far beyond control centres. System resilience is designed in to the netwrok and its equipment. It includes appropriate seismic withstand (and other appropriate limit-state design criteria and protections), design levels of backup/redundancy, duplication, diverse comms routes, timely access to skilled people, equipment, spares, machinery. The installation of more local solar power with batteries and microgrids in vulnerable places might help vital buildings such as hospitals retain power after a natural disaster such as earthquake or flood. Academics suggest that cost–benefit analysis of such emergency power systems should take into account any benefits of resilience and also the cost of installing an islandable system.[152][153]I don't think this article needs to cover the topic of emergency power supplies.

The nationwide blackout in 2015 did not greatly affect Van Province as it was supplied from Iran,[154] the EU interconnection helped restore power,[155] and more integration with other countries would increase resilience.[156] This sentence could be relocated into the Transmission section.

Thanks very much - so that others can see the discussion easily I will copy this to article talk page and reply there Chidgk1 (talk) 08:37, 2 February 2022 (UTC)s

Westland petrel article - query

@Schwede66: Kia ora, I took part in the Wikipedia:Meetup/Barrytown/1 Wikiblitz yesterday, and along with User:Ambrosia10, have made substantial improvements to the article Westland petrel. I have a question about the language template. The article currently uses the ENGVARB template. What is the criteria here ? Should it be: use NZ English instead ? I only picked up on this when I noticed the spelling of meter (when I would have written metre). I still have lots more to do on the article, but if you want to have a look, any comments would be welcome.Marshelec (talk) 06:59, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

That template was added with this edit and that user (no ping as we let sleeping dogs lie) was mass-adding that to New Zealand articles until told to stop it. Just replace the template. Any NZ article should have "use NZ English" by default. Schwede66 08:32, 6 February 2022 (UTC)