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Khmer Rouge

Dammit. I have to let off steam somewhere and this seems to be the place. As I wandered around the places where I may be able to add some information to this wonderful Wiki project – I found to my distress that many important and topical articles related to Cambodia like – Khmer Rouge and Pol Pot - are currently in a sad state indeed. The information included is scant, poorly cross- linked and contains many gaping holes.

I began plugging some of these by drafting an article about Khieu Thirith – Ieng Sary’s wife, Pol Pot’s sister-in-law, member of the DK central committee and Minister of Social Affairs and Education under the DK regime - who I noticed was a red link from various pages. Imagine my surprise to find that her even more infamous sister Khieu Ponnary – Pol Pot’s wife - also had no article and was barely mentioned in the encyclopaedia.

Pol Pot, Ieng Sary and the Kheiu sisters have been described as the Cambodian version of Mao’s “Gang of Four” the ideological heart of the revolution and the party – yet Ieng Sary has only six lines in Wiki (including three dates of birth) while both Ponnary and Thirith are missing entirely – indeed Khieu Samphan has only four lines.

Despite these glaring omissions and the meagre information currently available in the article, the talk pages for Khmer Rouge reveal SIX DAMN ARCHIVES full of arguments, counter-arguments and ideological debate. Most of this is about vaguely related topics – are Chomsky, Chandler, Kiernan, Vickery, Heder, Kissinger, Samdech Sihanouk, American Foreign Policy, The Red Menace, Green Men from Mars, Bill Gates or the Stay-Puff Donut Man REALLY to blame for the Genocide/Collateral Damage/unavoidable egg breaking that happened between 1975 and 1979 etc.

At present, any poor sucker who wants to actually USE Wiki to FIND some information on the Khmer Rouge is S out of L.

This stinks and undermines the purpose of an online encyclopaedia.

I would like to propose a small and worthwhile community sub project – A clean, detailed and working series of articles about the Khmer Rouge – taking in the history of the movement, bios of each of the major leaders, some info on the killing fields, evacuation of the cities, collectivisation, Toul Sleng, Choeng Ek, some links or summaries of survivors stories and an updated article on the preparations for the KR tribunal.

Finally (and not before) there should be a summary of the different academic points of view on the intent, culpability and destruction wrought (or not) of the KR/DK regime. This necessarily controversial article should present both sides of the debate – perhaps to even things up, each side could be written by it’s most vitriolic detractor

I would be interested in collaborating on such a project with some of you (or any interested others). I have read most of the published works by the authors above, I live and work in Cambodia and have a wonderful Khmer wife and family who lived through the 70’s in rural Cambodia. I speak Khmer and although I am Australian (Gidday mate owyergoin’?) I can even claim Cambodian citizenship by marriage. In my chequered past I have studied SE Asian history, worked as a journalist and photojournalist (Wiki needs more photos!). Currently, I work as a consultant and social researcher here in Cambodia.

Some of the required articles exist but need expansion or some work to weed out factual inaccuracies. All need to be linked in some coherent manner. There is an excellent online source for primary sources (translated into English) and secondary sources - [1] – and there are plenty of other Googleable resources around. If there is some interest in this idea, we could divide up the articles and tasks required between us and edit and proof each others work. This would be a very interesting task.

I would even go so far as to say this is an important task. To give voices to those who suffered and died here in the ‘70’s, to raise international awareness of the KR in the lead up to the Tribunal and like the Vietnam wall or the museum at Auschwitz to provide some global memorial that can inform the generations born after the downfall of the KR – may it never happen again.

Pax - Phnom Penh 2005

Just a gentle warning (in light of your previous paragraph) - Editors are likely to jump all over your contributions if they feel that you are soapboxing, or not presenting an impartial and balanced view of a particular topic. That being said, hello, welcome, and enjoy your time here. Remember to browse the five pillars of Wikipedia for tips on what goes on here. - Tiswas(t/c) 14:12, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Hy Paxse!

Please, read the "Please check" part on this user's page User talk:Jpgordon first. Thank you:Pannonia 16:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Slovakia Edit War

Hi. To explain my edit-warring and 3RR rule violation, I was reverting his vandalism to Slovakia and Principality of Nitra articles, but he keeps undoing them without comment. He even stated that he's going to act like a sockpuppet(diff, diff - Slovakia and diff - Principality of Nitra). MarkBA t/c/@ 16:35, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi, User:MarkBA is doing just what he has to do in order to enforce a community ban. User:Pannonia is a sockpuppet of a banned user. Pannonia vandalized Slovakia and keeps reverting to his version. He has now seven reverts on that page only for today! I have already asked to block him indef as a sockpuppet of a banned user trying to evade his block.[2] Tankred 16:43, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

A Call for Peace in Central Europe

Pannonia I read the link - I definitely don't think you are a sockpuppet and I liked what you said about making articles more neutral - it sounds like Slovakia may need some of that treatment. However, you didn't discuss any of your changes before making them - this is pretty naughty by wikipedia standards.
MarkBA I read that link as well. I saw all the reverts and also saw that neither of you went anywhere near the article talk page.

Folks, can we do a couple of things:

  1. Agree to disagree strongly on points of Slovakian/Hungarian history
  2. Each write a concise summary of suggested changes to the POV sections of the relevant article/s - on the talk page
  3. Reply/Critique each other's suggestions
  4. Prepare a revised version of the relevant article sections (perhaps prepare one each) aiming to include all points of view and with appropriate references. Remember history is rarely definitive, different interpretations will always exist and we should try to cover them all in Wikipedia.
  5. Play nice in future.

Hell, both of you obviously have the sort of specialized knowledge that Wikipedia needs to create a great encyclopedia - let's not waste it in stupid edit wars. Paxse 17:02, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Reverting

Rather than undoing multiple edits as you did here, you can revert in one step as described here. Λυδαcιτγ 23:33, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

What you can do is check all of the edits made by the vandal in one step, and mass revert them. In this case, you would go to the edit history for the Hall article, check the circle in the first column next to the pre-vandalism version (09:55, 1 May 2007 Gurch (Talk | contribs) m (7,303 bytes) (Revert 1 edit by 66.159.152.54 to last version by Gaius Cornelius)), and check the circle in the second column next to the last vandalism edit (15:09, 1 May 2007 208.0.195.254 (Talk) (3,236 bytes)). Then click "Compare selected versions." You'll see that all changes made are vandalism, so click "edit" next to the original Revision as of 09:55, 1 May 2007, hit save, and you're done. Λυδαcιτγ 23:09, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. Looking at your contributions, I see that you mass-welcome users, which I find admirable, but misguided. There's been at lot of talk about this at WT:WC, which you might want to take a look at. My opinion, in short, is that welcoming users who have not yet contributed is little better that welcoming by bot, and that welcomes should be personal. This isn't a guideline or policy, just something to think about. Λυδαcιτγ 00:31, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't disagree that personal welcomes are nice, but I don't see why they should be given to every new user. Would you rather have been welcomed en masse, or after someone noticed your work on an article? And if you decide to limit your welcoming to contributors, you can still welcome a large number of users by checking for good edits by new users during RC patrol, and giving these users a welcome.
Incidentally, I checked out the "new accounts only" feature of Special:Contributions, clicked the talk page of the first user I saw making a good edit, and found this: User talk:A. Carty. Insulting, no? Λυδαcιτγ 22:48, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks 4 the Welcome

Thanks for inviting me to Wikipedia. --Nosxalc 17:13, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Tagalog Batangas

Thanks

It's always good to get postive feedback. I'm kind of learning on the job with the military history articles -- writing WP articles is a great way of absorbing facts, I find. Looks like you have some unique areas of expertise to offer WP, which is always good. See you around, Grant | Talk 13:12, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Category:Wikiproject Cambodia

I set up Category:WikiProject Cambodia articles and Category:WikiProject Cambodia. It's actually really easy. When you put articles into a new category, it first shows up as a red link. When you click on the link, you just need to make an edit of some kind to the category page. It's enough to put it into a parent category (in this case, Category:WikiProject Southeast Asia). That's all you need. Hope it helped. Good luck on the new project! Fishal 02:58, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey! Thanks for the barnstar! It's my first one! (And it looks like I'm the first to get that particular one?) I'm blushing. Thank you. Fishal 13:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Hello, Thank you for the nice welcome to Wikipedia. I hope to become a productive member of the molecular biology comunity Coolbrdr 18:35, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Your VandalProof Application

Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, Paxse. As you may know, VP is a very powerful program, and in fact the just released 1.3 version has even more power. Because of this we must uphold strict protocols before approving a new applicant. Regretfully, I have chosen to decline your application at this time. Please note it is nothing personal by any means, and we certainly welcome you to apply again soon. Thank again for your interest in VandalProof. Betacommand (talk • contribs • Bot) 19:42, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Proposal for global perspectives task force

Hi Paxse. I noticed your name on the members list of the countering systemic bias project. Based on your interest in diversifying sources used for the Cambodia articles and your impressive work on the site in general, I wanted to bring your attention to a recent proposal to start a task force to improve the global perspective on key articles. I am not exactly sure how it will work, but I definitely think the expansion of sources will be a part of it. This seemed to be up your alley, so I figured at the least you might want to drop in on the discussion and add your two cents. Cheers! --Mackabean 02:09, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Our friend in Cambodia

If you do know him/her, go poke him for me. This person has some very interesting views on American and Canadian politics, especially since he/she apparently resides in Cambodia and has a friend, colleague or second residence in Thailand. They're also very abusive in spreading these views, which has made watching for them fun. I have noticed the possibly good edits (although some of the IP addresses our friend uses are dynamic or shared, so it might be some other person). I am not an expert on Cambodia, so I really don't know anything about airports there, but I would suggest making any potentially good changes to the airports statement yourself, as I imagine you will not be so hyperbolic as the IP editor. Natalie 16:49, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to VandalProof!

Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, Paxse! You have now been added to the list of authorized users, so if you haven't already, simply download and install VandalProof from our main page. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or any other moderator, or you can post a message on the discussion page. Daniel 04:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Tiana Ringer

I took a look at the contribs and the talk page of the user who added the prod tag (Special:Contributions/One_Night_In_Hackney) and it doesn't appear to me to be a sock of the people who were originally involved in the AfD. I'm not sure it's related, so the article will stay deleted for now. You could always bring it up at WP:ANI or WP:DRV if you still have hang-ups about it. Sorry I'm not able to help more, but I don't usually deal with sockpuppets. Good luck! ~ Amalas rawr =^_^= 15:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Maurice Chavez

Just to let you know, I've removed the prod template you placed on this page. The edit before yours in the article history was an editor removing a previous prod template. If the prod template is removed it shouldn't be replaced. It's worth checking the history before you place a prod tag and always mention in your edit summary that you have prodded the article and why. If you think this article should still be deleted you should list it at WP:AFD. Cheers, Paxse 19:39, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Thought i did. Thanks for the heads-up, taking article to AFD. ~ | twsx | talkcont | 20:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Web Documentary

Paxse, thank you for your help. I've begun the iterative process of working on the entry. I'll try to get to a little bit each day. Appreciate suggestions as I go along. Thanks. Russellfsm 15:21, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Arverni Guard

Thanks for your help on that - maybe calling for deletion was a bit strong, but nevertheless could you help me in gathering in the "expert opinions" you speak of. I can't stand seeing a fictional article left in place, if that is indeed what it is. Neddyseagoon - talk 09:21, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Your comments on AfD

Hello. I just saw your comments on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Puerto Plata (musician). I do not know why you think my removal of the reference is a "concern", since it was clearly explained in the article's talk page. I have explained it again in the AfD discussion. Thank you. Yours truly, Boricuaeddie Spread the love! 17:03, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Your recent AFD and follow up

You looked at a number of articles in a recent AFD including Sarathambal et all. Subsequant to your contribution, more action hastaken place including removal what I consider RS sources. So I have opened up an ANI and I am going to take it all the way till we resolve it. I am just letting you know ahead of time, because I may request you to participate in a mediation case regarding this time (that is if you are willing)Thanks (see ANI) Taprobanus 14:41, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Your note

Thanks for your note--I keep coming back to the Khmer Empire article too and thinking there's a lot to add. Writer128 12:20, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

fixing redirects

Hi, I noticed you using popups to fix redirects. You might be interested in thge guideline Wikipedia:Redirect#Don't fix links to redirects that aren't broken. Cheers, BanyanTree 22:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Irish Famine (book) (2nd nomination)

Hello Paxse, your attempts to disrupt my nomination for the AfD will not go unmentioned. I have in one instance raised this matter with an administrator. Your attempts to justify putting misleading information before the first nomination are facile. You have had plenty of time and opportunity to address this before my re-nomination, and you failed to do so. It takes years for a book to appear on the curriculum of any college, and only then, when it has assumed some considerable notability. The fact that you simply Googled the title for references, dose not lend weight to any of your contributions. It shows a complete lack of interest in, or understanding of, or respect for the editors who have an interest in the subject involved. Your recent contribution to this AfD, where you dissected and cut up my edit, rendering it incoherent and disjointed is completely objectionable. I want you to return my contribution to its original condition, and place your comments below it, and refrain from any further attempts at justification on the AfD page. A simple comment directing editors to this discussion here will suffice. --Domer48 16:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Dear Domer48, your reply to my AfD argument was 900 words and used a variety of spacing and different levels of indent [3]. In it you fired off a variety of criticisms of my actions, the sources I added to the article and threatened to report me to an admin. I replied to each point as briefly as I could, because I felt obliged to explain and defend myself from your criticisms and accusations. You were (and are) obviously furious. Can I suggest that we both step back from this AfD - just let it run without further comment. I'll do the same and we can both do something more productive and take some time to chill out. Let's talk about this in a day or two when things have calmed down. I'm very happy for you to move both your comments and my replies (though not my vote) to the AfD talk page. Or I'm happy to do it if you prefer. I agree that our lengthy comments and arguments make it more difficult for other editors to easily summarise the debate. I will cross post this to your talk page as well. Cheers, Paxse 17:42, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Could you review my recent edit

I have to go out to work, will check in later. Regards --Domer48 18:49, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Gidday Domer48, I had sleep then work as well. The edits look excellent, great job! I think you've successfully sanitised the debate without losing the substantive arguments. Editors looking for the R rated version can read the talk page. Dammit I may just end up liking you. Can I make one small request? Could you place a tag on the article authors page informing her/him about the AfD? I'd do it, but it looks better (for you!) if you do it yourself. This really is the courteous thing to do - even if it costs you a 'keep' vote. The proper tag is:
{{subst:AFDWarning|The Irish Famine (book)}} Cheers, Paxse 13:55, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I have just placed the tag, I do not think it worked out. Want to check it? --Domer48 14:43, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
No problem at all. Sorted. I used <nowiki></nowiki> around the AfD notification tag, these 'nowiki' tags allow you to display another tag without actually triggering it and making it display the full message. This was so you could cut and paste straight from my talk page. I was being too clever by half by showing you the tag instead of simply pointing you to the Wiki page. When you copied the tag from the edit window and pasted to the user page the <nowiki></nowiki> tags came along for the ride and thus prevented the message from displaying. I edited the user page and deleted the 'nowiki's and presto - it displayed. Cheers, Paxse 12:48, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Scouting in Cambodia

Thank you so much, you do great work! What does this one File:Cambodiaarc.jpg say, then? Thanks, Chris 22:39, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Kayarith(y) Kampuchea or Cambodian Scouts as a rough translation. Listen Chris, I've stuffed up somewhere here with these two scripts, sorry. Scratch the Cambodian Guides article script and I'll prepare a new one, then replace the Scouts article script with the former Guides one - confused? Me too :)
This shoulder patch has the longer formal version while the circular badge is a more generic term - Khamarak Kayarith - no mention of Cambodia and it has a spelling error to boot. Both the words khamarak and kayarith are being used somewhat differently to normal usage. Give me a chance to check the large dictionary at work next week to be sure of the meanings. I think Guides is Khamarak Kayarith Neary but I'll need to check at work to be sure. Then I'll have to go and sort all this out on Commons as well - groan! Cheers, Paxse 11:35, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks once again for all your help! Can you help render "Be Prepared", the Scout Motto, into Khmer script? Thanks! Chris 06:18, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi, nice to meet you. I do a fair bit on China articles as well and a lot of Vietnam; not as much on the other SE Asian countries. On my new Windows Vista computer I can see the Khmer (though the font size is really small) but on the Windows XP machine at the office I just see square boxes. Badagnani 02:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I just added a new template to match the ones we use for Chinese, Korean, and Japanese articles. It can go right on an article, at the top, rather than on the talk page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Needkhmer Badagnani 02:38, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Great job and lightening fast. I'll post it over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cambodia as well. While you're watching, can I ask for your opinion? Which do you prefer Khmer script in small jpegs which everyone can see or unicode (which everyone should have but currently don't)? I'm trying to decide on a standard for this for all the missing articles on Cambodian districts. Paxse 02:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, the Burmese (and Tibetan) language people use little .jpgs or .png files or whatever, so maybe that's the way to go so it's easiest for people to read? But the problem is, one of the best things and reasons behind having the native script in the English-language articles is that it allows one to copy and paste into a Google search to find pages in the native language, as often the sources on a particular subject are better in that language. I do it for China all the time, and then translate into English with Babelfish. With little .jpgs that wouldn't be possible. Badagnani 04:07, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

So far we have "needkhmer," "needhanzi," "needkanji," "needhanja." I think there might be some other ones. We could probably use a "need Thai" too. Badagnani 04:24, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Would you mind having a word with this hot-headed deleter? I believe there's no objection to the new template among the editors interested in Khmer topics, thus we should object to this deletion. Badagnani 05:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Your opinion

Hello, an article in which you took part in the AFD discussion has undergone more than 20 reverts. We are trying to get truely neutral opinion about removal of some information. [here Your esteemed opinion will be welcome. Thanks Taprobanus 14:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Tung Padevat

I started a Tung Padevat stub, based on the link you gave at the KR talk page. Which issue/year is the cover magazine cover? --Soman 19:49, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Special Edition: December-January, 1975 Issue 76 Paxse 14:21, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, I started a stub on Kangtoap Padevat. Do ypu know if Ros Sovan ([4]), is the same as Ros Samay (considering that Ros Samay is Pen Sovan's brother)? --Soman 20:54, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I can't find any link for sure. There's an expanded Cambodian Who's Who available which may have more info - I'll let you know when i get a copy. However, Ros, Samay and Sovan are all common names so there could be no connection. Btw Ros Samay is Pen Sovan's cousin not brother :) Paxse 14:21, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! --Soman 14:35, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Sosthene Fernandez

User:Poniev is not willing to negotiate, and he is continuing his Wikipedia:Disruptive editing, tarnishing the article in accordance to W:MOS. What shall we do? He did not even replied to us at all, or uttered a sentence.

I believe that reaching this point can be considered Vandalism and perhaps we should take disciplinary actions through Wikipedia:Request for comments, or should we take steps to ban him? I hope to hear from you. Mr Tan 13:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I have sent a request to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection, so as to put a temporary stop to this edit reverts and bring admin attention to this matter. You are welcome to help out. Thanks. Mr Tan 14:07, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Gidday Mr. Tan and thanks for your message - I've seen your edits around the KR pages. I think we need to give User:PONIEV some time to reply. Many of us are in different time zones here and may not be able to log in as frequently as we'd like. As I said on the talk page there are different references that show Fernandez was Vietnamese Philippine[5] or Khmer Philippine[6]. So one of those well regarded sources is probably incorrect - who knows which one? As a small cultural point - many nationalistic Khmer would consider being called 'Vietnamese' a deadly insult (and vice versa for many Vietnamese). I note that User:Poniev has made about 50 edits to this article and she/he created it. Imagine for a moment that Poniev is a grandchild of Fernandez - and you're insisting on identifying his revered Grandad, who resisted the NVA and the KR, as one of the hated Vietnamese.

So, relax, keep up the good work you do on articles and I'll add both sources to the article with a sentence explaining the conflicting sources soon. Cheers, Paxse 17:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

.Thanks for the comments and i appreciate it! (Sparrowman980 16:55, 28 June 2007 (UTC))

Thanks for the heads up...

Thanks for letting me know about the unicode script thing. I had no idea so I guess I've learned something today! Thanks for reverting my edits, too. I've removed the vandal warning from Timboeun's talkpage. Cheers, --Belovedfreak 17:10, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks to you I'm now listening to Beautiful Freak while I edit (haven't put it on for ages) - so no problem at all :) Happy editing. Paxse 17:19, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

Did you see what was present? The "article" consisted of three links and no explanatory text. It was exactly what was contemplated by the A1 rationale for speedy deletion. Warning users for removing speedy deletion templates on articles they created and reinstating those templates is most assuredly not edit warring, if you take that term to have its conventional harmful meaning and not the very most expansive one. My actions weren't a commentary on the topic or its worthiness -- that isn't at all what an A1 speedy deletion is about. If this hasn't clarified my actions, please feel free to respond. Erechtheus 18:55, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. You raise some good points. Honestly, the only things I'd like to talk a bit more about are as follows: 1) I don't consider using the standard templates from WP:WARN in their proper order biting the newcomers at all. In fact, I'd submit that my use is precisely appropriate. One important rule of this project is that article creators should not remove speedy deletion templates. The warnings start out very politely and encourage an increase in knowledge about the procedural aspects of the project. 2) I'd agree that what I did with the Indian pilot was wrong, but it made sense to me at the time. The article was started with the hangon template, and it just made sense to me that it was only appropriate to take it before an admin with a speedy template. Now that I see how that worked out (and note I removed the template myself), I certainly agree it would have been more judicious to proceed a bit more slowly. I think you can see my focus is a procedural one, and that certainly does rub some people (especially the "foo doesn't need sources" crowd) the wrong way. I do thank you for seeing that I'm trying my best to contribute, and I'll take your words of supportive criticism under consideration in my future editing. Erechtheus 21:51, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Actually, there was one more thing I wanted to address. One concern of mine with a new article on a topic that I feel likely exists is the POV fork. I see now that's not really a reason for speedy deletion, though -- the better practice would have been to do exactly what was done in redirecting the new topic to the established article that covers the subject matter, making sure any appropriate new content was reflected in the established article. Erechtheus 21:56, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello, thx for your message. As I'm new to Wikipedia, I think I have screwed up the template you created for the 2003 Elections. It was too late when I realized it and didn't know how to undo it. Sorry. J Lam 22:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

No problem - fixed already. You've been doing some great work in your first couple of days here - excellent stuff. Changing an edit its easy. Next time you want to undo something you've done (or a vandal edit) click on the history tab at the top of the article (or template page). This shows you a list of edits by each editor. Find the edit you want to undo - in this case the one by Jplam - then click on the highlighted word 'last' to the right of that edit. This will bring up the article again with your edit and changes shown at top right of the screen and the previous edit shown at top left (so that you can compare). Above your name you'll see something like "Revision as of 04:45, July 4, 2007 (edit) (undo). Then click on the highlighted word (undo) and this will bring up the normal editing screen that you already know. There will already be an automatic edit summary in the box below, so you can add something like 'reverting myself' or just leave it and save or show preview if you want to check first. Easy! Cheers, Paxse 14:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Kind words appreciated

Thanks for your kind words about my edit on Suryavarman II. I had just bought the Briggs book (quite a lot in it) and was inspired to go in and elaborate. I saw your note to another editor about the Khmer Empire article and am thinking I might give it a try. I gather you live in Cambodia? I first visited in 1969 and have been going back, most recently last fall. Writer128 02:01, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

You are very welcome - the praise was well deserved. I'm deeply jealous that you have Briggs, I haven't found a copy here yet. I recently picked up a secondhand copy of Mabbett and Chandler's The Khmers. I was planning to use it to do some of the work you have been doing - though probably not half as well :) Yes, Cambodia is home now. I came in 1996 (your date reversed) and fell in love, first with the country and then later with a wonderful Khmer girl from the countryside. I still love this crazy fascinating place and enjoy writing about it here. The Khmer empire article is in a pretty poor state. Mostly referencing and formatting problems but it could do with a rewrite in a consistent style as well. It would be great if you would look at it - I'd be happy to help out in any way. Cheers, Paxse 14:09, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Khmer spellings

Seems like something went wrong with the Khmer spelling you tried to add to the district articles, e.g. Bakan (district). It shows only as ???? here, while in Pursat Province I can see some Khmer script above the infobox. andy 11:57, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey Andy, thanks for noticing (Wow someone actually read the Bakan article!). I put those in as a placeholder until we can decide on small jpegs or unicode for Khmer names - at the moment there seems to be no policy or consensus. I also did it to remind myself to add them later - feel free to edit them out and that will help me get my backside over to Commons to upload the jpegs I've prepared. I see you've done some excellent work on Thai districts too - I'm inspired to get the Cambodian districts up as well. Cheers, Paxse 12:11, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
IMHO the Unicode characters should be there, like it is for many other obscure scripts. Someone who can actually read the script will have the necessary font on the computer, and for others it doesn't matter if they see small boxes (like I see for Laotian, even though I have a Lao-capable font) or the actual script. Using PNGs (JPG isn't good for line-art things) I would only use for scripts not yet covered by Unicode at all. But I have no idea if this is just my personal preference, the common usage on Wikipedia, or even a policy - Thai letters are much more common than Khmer... If you want more readers, a good thing would be to add coordinates to the articles, because then in a few weeks they will show up in Google Earth [7]. If you need any technical help on the district articles, feel free to ask me or "borrow" from the Thai district articles. andy 15:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Cambodia

I notice you wanted an award for the Wikiproject, i would like to mention that i am interested in designing you an award/ barnstar

Chaza93 17:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Wonderful! I need something project specific to give to those kind Wikipedians who help out the project. A couple of levels would be nice and something fairly iconic about Cambodia. Thanks! Paxse 17:22, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

OK what would you think about a medal, with different ribbons, and the actual medal bit in the shape of Cambodia Chaza1000 19:48, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

How may different levels do you need? Chaza1000 19:08, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Hmm good question... Maybe three levels - One for Great New Contributors to the project, One for General great contributions to the project and one super-duper-mega-special one for saving the president or something. Perhaps create just the general one to start with and then let's have a look at it and discuss - is that cool? Paxse 19:16, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok i came up with this, the gold ribbon says that it is a level 1

Chaza1000 19:28, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Pax

Followed you here after leaving another comment on yer Pony Express page. You live in Cambodia? Was over there for a short visit in 1970 (did not stay long) and revisited in 2000 to view the temples at Angkor before they became tourist traps and to hang out at Apocalypse Now in Phnom Penh (the bar with the finest decor, bar none, that these old eyes have seen). A beautiful country populated by friendly, curious, and young people. Their history is indeed one of the most tragic in the region. RM Gillespie 15:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Paxse

Thanks for your note to me today. I can't say I've done much on Cambodia yet. My main interest is cooperative microfinance and I'm labouring along right now on an article on credit union history. I spend about 4 months of each year in Cambodia supporting the emergence of community-based banks, and obviously have a lot of photos and a certain amount of local familiarity to show for it (slow progress on Khmer though, sigh ...!)

Sorry about the mix-up on naming conventions. The link for Banan went to Ba'nan, a district in China. So I corrected it. But I'll re-dub it match your naming convention.

I'll be in Cambodia in August. Will you be there?Brett epic 16:19, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello Paxse again

Paxse--I'm honored you asked but I'm afraid I just don't have the time. Lately I've had some extra to put in here, but that's about to go away. I can keep working on the occasional article but can't take on something more regular. Don't know how you do it--if I've figured out how to read these things right, you're evaluating, tagging and adding to, generally improving dozens a day. Hats off from a male American journalist in Washington. Writer128 02:44, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Greetings from Thailand

Hi Paxse. Luckily, I don't have to do visa runs. In fact, I understand quite a few expats who formerly did visa runs from Thailand have moved to Cambodia permanently because of the Thai government's crackdown on that activity. Anyway, I do hope to be in Phnom Penh in the coming months for a visit, and hope to check out some of the markets. — WiseKwai 05:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Aha, a legitimate expat I see :) I saw the panic on the message boards when the visa regulations changed too - can't say I've noticed any change around town. I've heard from friends in Sihanoukville that some Pattaya-pats have become Snooky-pats instead.

Oh your're welcome thanks I'm glad you've noticed. I'm very interested in Khmer history indeed as Tibet and the far and south east in general. I'm glad to be a part of WikiProject Cambodia although unfortuntately I don't understand Khmer language!!. Yes I know Wise Kwai well anyway from our extensive cooperation for WP Films - another great contributor. As with Tibet I'd very much like to cover more Cambodian biographies and architecture. If you know of some missing articles feel more than free to prompt me with them - all the best! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 16:48, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Two new articles for you : Norodom Monineath Sihanouk and Cambodian Red Cross. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 17:39, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Secret S.P.E.C.T.R.E Communiques

OK I did promise myself to cut back on the work and spend more time reading and browsing this ginormous encyclopedia but I'll definately start what I can. -Regardless of what is missing - I always seem to come across encylopedic articles that are missing!!!! from Mining in Wales to Ernest Chinnery - an anthropologists in Papua New Guinea there are so many missing articles that propels me into action!!! -potentially there are an amazing amount of articles to cover. Incidentally I was just looking about stubbing a few districts of Cambodia which I'll do now I think and maybe stub a film or two later ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 18:05, 13 July 2007 (UTC) Ah I'm clever - I understood this convention already and have actually already done the redirects!!! Another two aor three articles have just been created including a Cambodian sculptor and another actress! Thanks ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 18:45, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Very clever - That's why you are an evil white cat-wielding madman hell-bent on World DominationTM and I am only a humble Lao town :) - so where are these new articles you crazy article writing machine?

Ha!! You're doing a great job with tagging -theres about four or five new bio articles I've just created - I wish I could upload the images of the people but they would get deleted soon wnough because if the living people imagery rationale thing that a free alternative could be created. I'm done for the moment anyway I'll add some more Cambodian stuff tomorrow. Eventually I'll get around to blue linking all the articles on the list of Cambodians page . Cool? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 19:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

<edit conflict>Frosty. You've done a great job and I'm damn glad you're going to rest :) Catch you tomorrow. Cheers, Paxse 19:32, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh there we are: Hen Sophal, Duong Saree, Chhoen Rithy, Chhim Sothy, Dee Savait, Chanthou Oeur, Thpong, Samraong Tong, Phnum Sruoch, Odongk, Aoral, Kong Pisei , Chbar Mon, Basedth ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 19:29, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Help! I'm smothered in new articles. Go rest dammit! :> Paxse 19:32, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Category:List-Class Cambodia articles

The category above is now created and available for use. John Carter 15:17, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Heres a cool one -Cambodias answer to Nick Nack (Villechaize) Loto (actor) . My new articles -I've been a crazy mofo again -

See Angkor and Die, Chum Mey , Mom Soth , One Evening After the War , Le papier ne peut pas envelopper la braise , My Village at Sunset, An Ambition Reduced to Ashes and Roland Eng I can't believe the King of Cambodia was a film director also!!

I think I've tagged most of them but you may want to check and add them to the Cambodian lists ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 10:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes I've done some good uns today! But this is one day two or three isn;t it. I have SPECTRE to dominate the rest of the world!!. I'll see what I can do with Tum Teav. Glad your're pleased with my work ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 19:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Did you know

Sorry man. I've nominated every recent Cambodian film article I've created that is rated higher than a stub, so there's a few more in the pipeline. If it attracts one quality editor who makes a significant contribution to the Cambodia project, it's worth the effort, I think. With the Rithy Panh films about filled in, and the crowning touch that is The Snake King's Child - probably the most significant film in the history of cinema - I'm just about done for now. — WiseKwai 19:15, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I've made a go at Tum Teav -still needs copy editing -you can't write a quality articles in several minutes!!! It will take some time but its a start right? I hope it is correct as I did get some mixed versions from my research ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 20:05, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I started some articles on Khmer dance but is this category incorrect Category:Cambodian dances should it be Category:Dances of Cambodia?? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 20:35, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... Good question. Honestly the Cambo cats are so bloody convoluted there currently IS no system. It's a free for all. I've been cleaning and sorting the 3 stub cats and managed to get the bio stub category properly listed for the project. Did you know that there is a minimum threshhold of 60 articles needed to create a stub category? True story, see the procedure for yourself. It seems as though everybody pretty much ignores these rules tho' so don't panic :) For interest, this is an incomplete list of Cambodia cats as of yesterday User:Paxse/Sandbox5. Scary huh? Paxse 17:12, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

It is correct? Where are you living by the way. Are you Cambodian? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 13:47, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I would like to see even coverage on wikipedia. Cambodian literature should be crammed full of articles -hundreds of them. The category didn't even exist until yesterday!!! I am planning many articles on pieces of Cambodian art also ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 13:48, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely! You've just summed up my main reason for being on Wikipedia - to improve coverage of Cambodia. Paxse 17:12, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Are you Cambodian-American? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 13:54, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

To answer your other questions, I'm an Ozzie, been living in Phnom Penh long term and planning to stay for good - see wife and kids note at top of page :) I've been adopted by my wonderful Khmer family and now generally only speak English in meetings or on Wikipedia ;) Paxse 17:12, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!!! Remarkably the article was picked up also by a bot which suggested I list it as a DYK!! Unfortunately I am rather preoccupied with films at present but I'll try to add some new articles during the coming week. ALl the best in Phnom Penh ♦ Dr. Blofeld ♦ "Talk?" Contribs 11:46, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I know I preferred it too but a user told me that it was far too long and making people unhappy!!! -See my user talk page!! ♦ Dr. Blofeld ♦ "Talk?" Contribs 11:59, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

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