User talk:Yy-bo

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Your Wikiquette Alert

Hey, I noticed your Wikiquette alert regarding Talk:Set (mythology) and I'm not sure I understand it exactly. Are you saying the discussion over whether to use "gay" or "homosexual" should be removed from the talk page? If so, that's probably not going to happen, although it could be archived if it's been inactive for a while. You are welcome to respond here or on my talk page. Thanks, --Nscheffey^(T/C) 20:37, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

YES I HAVE ASKED FOR A REMOVAL. Also, not to duplicate the words in charge, and, once it already happened (see above) not again and again and again; means to get twenty occurances of these words, but not any information. I hate that! User:Yy-bo 10:45, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In addition, i have researched about the need of word usage. In most cases, especially ancient egypt, the usage of boyfriend is sufficient. Same sex relationships have been on non-marital basis. Editors must verify WP:NPOV and WP:OR. User:Yy-bo 11:53, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I understand what you are saying. The thing is, WP:OR and WP:NPOV only apply to articles, not talk pages or user pages or anything else. So, while you may feel that the discussion is POV, and you may be right, that still doesn't mean it should be deleted. Keeping old discussions helps prevent the same thing from being discussed over and over, for example if future editors have a problem with the wording of this article they can check the Talk page and see the points that have already been made. Deleting it would not be bhelpful to the project. Anyway, happy editing, feel free to contact me anytime. --Nscheffey^(T/C) 15:51, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the immediate reply. I understand your argumentation. Previously i did not knew NPOV, OR only apply to articles. It helped to have a few words about it; and to read the opinion of someone else. Before doing a meaningful edit, editors are given good advice to seek feedback (and not, for instance, to remove stuff out of own conclusion). Maybe i move it to an archiv page soon. User:Yy-bo 19:16, 31 August 2006 (UTC) (copy from talk page of user Nscheffey)[reply]

Re: SRAM

"Many watts" is correct and does not express a POV. Its only failing is that it fails to put an exact number on "many". I don't consider that an instance of weasel words. Would that particular example benefit from a concrete example and exact number? Quite possibly, but I don't consider it critical to do so. Now, I would not suggest that the SRAM article is well written or even totally accurate, but I wouldn't classify that paragraph as containing weasel words.

As to improving the article, I guess I'll put it near the end of my incredibly long and ambitious todo list... Somewhere behind Computer, Semiconductor, P-n junction, Bipolar junction transistor, Personal computer, all the Computer storage related articles, and DRAM (which is a slightly more important topic than SRAM). At my current rate of featured article production I'll probably get to SRAM in ten years. I encourage you to do whatever you can to improve the SRAM article, and I certainly won't remove any accurate improvements you make. I simply disagreed with your slapping that tag on there.

Incidentally, Intel hasn't been one of the big SRAM players in a while. The big names right now are Samsung, IBM, Cypress, Hitachi, Toshiba, NEC, etc. I don't think Intel even produces any major discrete SRAM products anymore. -- uberpenguin @ 2006-09-01 18:40Z

Thanks for your immediate reply. The argumentation is allright. It is not really in the need to do it (to rewrite SRAM) immediately. My concern was (and is) to use a writing style similar to official technical references. User:Yy-bo 16:03, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Echilamvayal

I saw your AfD for Echilamvayal. Named places are always notable, and should therefore not normally be the subject of an AfD. If you are familiar with Echilamvayal, please expand the article. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 22:55, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well looks vanity to me. Article does not bother me. User:Yy-bo 23:02, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Castles of Japan

Hi Yy-bo, and apologies for not replying sooner. Your note on my talk page was posted while I was away, and apparently I missed it. You asked if my photographs of castles of Japan are available online in an archive. Unfortunately, they're not. You can check my old user page User:Fg2/Photos by Topic#Castles and search Commons for later (and, in most cases, better) photos, scans, and adjustments. Best regards, Fg2 01:27, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

AFD

Hi there, Yy-bo. I'm not sure what you mean by the last sentence in your message on my talk page - my wikimood is just fine right now. I'm still not sure why you say that there are "smart titles for personal websites" in the article, but I have voted delete as a result of the school's non-notability. I see an editor who you seem to consider a vandal (he may or may not be; I haven't looked into his contributions) has been editing that page, and you may be referring to another of his articles when you say that, but the school does exist, which would entitle it to an article, if it weren't an elementary and middle school. Thanks for keeping me updated! Srose (talk) 19:06, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Brandon_Academy_Private_School#Brandon_Academy_Private_School

Well i am sorry, it turns out this editor (see afd discussion) is not the creator of the school article. I have taken a look at WP:SCH, in these terms the article is rather substanceless. I do not really bother if it stays, just looking for the opinion of others. Nomination for afd does not mean an immediate deletion. User:Yy-bo 19:11, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the article certainly fails WP:SCH. That's why I've voiced my opinion that it should be deleted. I know that the nomination doesn't result in an automatic deletion (I'm very active in WP:AFD as well as WP:MFD). This debate should last at least five days, and I believe the article will be deleted as non-notable. Have a good day! Srose (talk) 19:15, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Poor AFD rationales

See User:Uncle G/On notability#Giving_rationales_at_AFD, especially the note about explaining how the notability criteria are not satisfied. Uncle G 19:19, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Uncle G on this, particularly in reference to the AfDs for all of the articles created by the creator of the Joe E. Newsome High School article. You AfD'd a public high school (which has come to be primarily accepted as something notable on Wikipedia lately), but then also asked for a speedy delete for "vanity" on the redirect to that high school's page? On the Brandon Academy AfD you are arguing with me over one of the user's other redirects to his personal website page which is not related to the Brandon Academy article at all?
My concern is that your just being a bit over enthusiastic and it's leading to biting newcomers. The article creator has been very reasonable about trying to understand why all of his efforts are now marked for deletion (some justifiable, others not so much). Just remember that we all start somewhere and just because one or two of his bold additions to wikipedia may need to be removed, it does not make everything he's contributed bad. Therefore, the rationales for AfD need to be better stated and remain on task to the article being discussed. Thanks. ju66l3r 19:47, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- If there is really need be for an article, others will defend it! Sometimes an afd is a probe to gather consensus. Your article add would have been more appreciate when afd finished. Reason: these issues are not encyclopedic. I am always possible to argue... User:Yy-bo 21:19, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - No, it isn't. AFD doesn't need editors nominating articles just to "probe consensus". Bear in mind the lesson of Wikipedia:Requests for comment/GRider, where an editor was widely censured for making nominations that were similar such probes. Only nominate articles for deletion that you actually want to be deleted. Uncle G 01:03, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    - I am trying to take more care in the future. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joe E. Newsome High School withdrawn Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wallpaper review consensus so far. User:Yy-bo 01:36, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User:Uncle G/On notability has been nominated for mfd (deletion). If i am wrong, others will notice it. However it is impossible to have a vanity of different policy interpretations. VANITY 11. produced as a showcase for one's own talents, esp. as a writer, actor, singer, or composer: a vanity production. (dictionary) User:Yy-bo

You were supposed to read it and learn from it how to make better nominations at AFD than the ones that you have done. Uncle G 01:03, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Well i must seek to write clear argumentation. Sometimes i just use vanity (even if it is not completely wrong it is not clear enough) User:Yy-bo 05:01, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

CSD nomination Southwest District

By what do you mean vanity and part of an AfD group. Right now I don't see it fitting a speedy criteria. For right now I am going to change the csd to a prod. Thanks, and try to be more detialed in the futere. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 21:49, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That would have helped if you put that in the csd nomination, though I think this needs to go to prod instead. If you continue with the csd nominations (I have changed 3 so far, I will have a closer look if you give a better reason) thanks... (try to use one of the templates on the bottem of WP:CSD). —— Eagle (ask me for help) 21:55, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well let it go through PROD. Have only nominated a few of the group for speedy deletion. Anyway similar articles about unitarian topics are currently under afd. I have nothing against specific articles, just others would get the right to use wikipedia in a similar way User:Yy-bo 21:58, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Halloween traditions

I felt, since you are the creator of this article, that you would like to be notified properly that I have proposed that the top paragraph(s) be merged into Halloween and that the list element be split into/moved to a new article with the more correct title of "List of....". I hope you see this as a constructive effort to preserve your work. I do suggest that you look carefully at the list components to ensure that they truly reflect halloween, but I think the proposed title of the list article will address many of the concerns. Fiddle Faddle 07:58, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No i am not the creator of the article. User:Yy-bo 11:30, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake. I was in too much haste to let you know. You are a major contributor, however, and it was important to let you know. Another editor is working in the article at present, and it makes a lot of sense if you and they collaborate and create a great article from this. The merge and split proposal has been adjourned for the present. Fiddle Faddle 11:33, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is possible (regards the afd nomination) to read hone into your information, especially preserve your work. User:Yy-bo 12:09, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have figure out various discussion contribution about my halloween articles (at least 5 places). It is not always possible to recognize what is the situation right now. Why the article talk is not used. I can take criticism, but i am not looking for offensive comments (like it happened while contributing using my former account Akidd_dublin). I am actively attacking unrelated sexuality information into articles. However, i changed my niveau of argumentation(see talk ofSet_(mythology)) User:Yy-bo 12:21, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The press department of FIVB (fivb.org) has been contacted for to obtain a permission. User:Yy-bo 15:56, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The answer was agree, and reference to the disclaimer used in the website. The link to the article was included. User:Yy-bo 16:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kazakh Music competition

First of all, thanks for voting on Isabekova. However I beg to differ on the others. I do not understand how the main article could suffer more - there is still nothing there on the second edition. On the Slovak pages, a consensus was built to keep 1, 2 and 3 and check the others for notability. I can understand why you want to keep a copy of all those articles that may get deleted. I also bothered whether perhaps Isabekova's article would also get deleted - I would have to recreate it. I will go through the list again, and in any case take the "salt" away. this unsigned comment was added on september 9th by --Pan Gerwazy 21:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, your prompting is getting results. I have changed my vote twice. Since you haven't voted in one yourselef (could be crucial now) I suggest you have a look here

Keep up the good work, and have a nice day.--Pan Gerwazy 00:57, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Heya there

In the future, if you have a problem or concern involving just me, I'd appreciate it if you would bring this up to me, instead of trying to instill an image of me in others. I'm not employed by anyone. I am on Wikipedia to create and expand content related to Unitarian Universalism, but so what? Christians abound on this wiki, and many of them write about christianity. GOOD. They know more about it than I do, so good for them. Besides, there's nothing you can or can't do on a Wiki. Everything is a guideline. HellaNorCal 06:28, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You can't manifest yourself physically on a wiki. --Dreaded Walrus 06:31, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I do not have any problems involving you, HellaNorCal, not really. However, myself i figured out not everything thinkable in terms of the information age is being asked for here on wikipedia. Content must be encyclopedic, articles must be expandable, preferable by the public. I am sorry if my deletion suggestions have bugged you. I have not put much effort into it.

You are right, first instance is to check the userpage, express a concern at the user talk. I will try to do a better edit work. User:Yy-bo 15:48, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Talk sub-headers

I personally find them annoying and disruptive to the normal flow of reading. I've never seen them used before to contain a single user's reply, though I have seen them used to make section breaks in particularly long discussions. --tjstrf 16:11, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, i agree in combination with bold it can be annoying. User:Yy-bo 16:20, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Halloween traditions

I just wanted to drop you a note to let you know that I appreciate your help with the Halloween traditions piece. --The Argonaut 19:01, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WP:WP

You wrote:

WP:WP is not unknown to me, please use it exactly as possible.

Just out of interest, what does this mean? David D. (Talk) 19:43, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I do not know how to create information which is:

Clear to myself

Instantly understandable for Joe Public

However i am trying in good faith. Todays article creation was Animated property.

Don't see the intention to be trivial, obscure etc. User:Yy-bo 19:54, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just made you a template to express what 'i think' you were trying to say. David D. (Talk) 20:24, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good. User:Yy-bo 20:26, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WP:AGF

Do not accuse editors who make good-faith comments regarding articles for deletion of trolling. Please also read WP:CIVIL and WP:NOT before commenting on other user's actions again and before creating any more pseudo-articles. —Centrx→talk • 20:38, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I will read it again. I have not accused a specific user, just saying (link required?) it occurs (unwanted, overly long elaborations)

Thank you for the recommendation. The link to the policies is being asked for. Policies are a neutral topic. User:Yy-bo 20:43, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You accuse Fiddle Faddle of trolling directly with this edit. You should not try to deny such things after the fact. It never works. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 20:49, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Elsewhere, the consideration a great waste of time can be found. The user Fiddle Faddle made no attempt to improve any of the Afd articles. User Yy-bo does not assume good faith. Being foolish on purpose is one stage of trolling. I am adding these messages to my comment spam archieves. User:Yy-bo 18:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

Is there any particular reason you're addressing me in the third person? Furthermore, what does this have to do with anything?

User Yy-bo has no knowledge of any previous request for comment (Afd discussion contribution of this user, reference to mysterious, previous request for comment), none which might be subject of investigation on way too long elaborations, also called trolling and spamming on purpose, unwanted linkspamming which was not required/asked for.

I honestly do not have a clue what you're talking about here. Additionally, I have no intention of withdrawing the AfD. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 20:40, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Let me try this again. Please stop using third person when addressing me. Address me in the first person. It is difficult to understand you when you write like that. Furthermore, if I am understanding you correctly, it is my decision whether or not to withdraw the AfD. Your request that I do so is just a request, and nothing obligates me to do so. The AfD will finish by consensus, simple as that. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 20:53, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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3RR

You need to learn what WP:3RR is. I reverted you twice on one page and removed inappropriate article-type content on the talk page. 3RR requires four reverts on a single page. I'm nowhere close. Don't accuse people of things unless you actually know what those things mean. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 17:40, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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ArbCom elections are now open!

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You appear to be eligible to vote in the current Arbitration Committee election. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to enact binding solutions for disputes between editors, primarily related to serious behavioural issues that the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the ability to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate, you are welcome to review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on the voting page. For the Election committee, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:58, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Asian 10,000 Challenge invite

Hi. The Wikipedia:WikiProject Asia/The 10,000 Challenge has recently started, based on the UK/Ireland Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge and Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/The 10,000 Challenge. The idea is not to record every minor edit, but to create a momentum to motivate editors to produce good content improvements and creations and inspire people to work on more countries than they might otherwise work on. There's also the possibility of establishing smaller country or regional challenges for places like South East Asia, Japan/China or India etc, much like Wikipedia:The 1000 Challenge (Nordic). For this to really work we need diversity and exciting content and editors from a broad range of countries regularly contributing. At some stage we hope to run some contests to benefit Asian content, a destubathon perhaps, aimed at reducing the stub count would be a good place to start, based on the current Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/The Africa Destubathon which has produced near 200 articles in just three days. If you would like to see this happening for Asia, and see potential in this attracting more interest and editors for the country/countries you work on please sign up and being contributing to the challenge! This is a way we can target every country of Asia, and steadily vastly improve the encyclopedia. We need numbers to make this work so consider signing up as a participant! Thank you. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 05:03, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

New deal for page patrollers

Hi Yy-bo,

In order to better control the quality of new pages, keep out the spam, and welcome the genuine newbies, the current system we introduced in 2011 is being updated and improved. The documentation and tutorials have also been revised and given a facelift. Most importantly a new user group New Page Reviewer has been created.

Under the new rule, you may find that you are temporarily unable to mark new pages as reviewed. However, this is nothing to worry about - most current experienced patrollers are being accorded the the new right without the need to apply, and if you have significant previous experience of patrolling new pages, we strongly encourage you to apply for the new right as soon as possible - we need all the help we can get, and we are now providing a dynamic, supportive environment for your work.

Find out more about this exiting new user right now at New Page Reviewers and be sure to read the new tutorial before applying. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 04:30, 13 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]