Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2008 VIVA World Cup squads

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The result was delete. A difficult call, but in the end I don't feel that squads at the event are notable enough to be described in detail. If anyone wants to merge the detail (in compressed form) to 2008 VIVA World Cup, let me know and I'll copy it to your userspace. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 13:55, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

2008 VIVA World Cup squads

I would seriously query the value of an article consisting of a list of names of footballers who are, with very few exceptions, neither notable nor ever likely to become so, on the basis that they pay in a competition whose attendances are comparable with the Ithsmian leagues. Kevin McE (talk) 16:53, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to 2008 VIVA World Cup or to the Nouvelle Federation Board. While there is some significance, maybe, to an organization outside of FIFA sponsoring a competition for "national teams" from nations that nobody acknowledges, I would compare this to an article about rosters on an American semi-pro football team, or an NAIA basketball tournament. An article like this is "just asking for it". Mandsford (talk) 18:55, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 20:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are the grounds for deleting based on the fact that the players arent professional in the sense that they make multi-millions a year? thats what i get fromt he above. if thats the case then there are hordes of articles that ought to be deleted. Especially the individual player pages for many of the of the players. The point of an encyclopedia is not suppose to be "footballers who are, with very few exceptions, neither notable nor ever likely to become so, on the basis that they pay in a competition whose attendances are comparable with the Ithsmian leagues." The fact that someone plays in the Isthmian leagues of the Premiership isnot a valid ground for exclusion. Its an established league with recognition, regardless of this means recognition or beign watched by millions it is part and parcel of the world football. I mean, word's seriosly fail me for the absolutely inept and atrocious (yeah, words fail me) grounds for deleting this article. Just because someone doesnt LIKE it, doesnt mean it ought to be deleted. I mean no offence to whoever wants to delete, but it still fails me as to how this grounds for deletion.Lihaas (talk) 00:46, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are you aware of the terms of {{WP:ATHLETE]]? (or indeed, of WP:CIVIL? Kevin McE (talk) 23:45, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:19, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - the whole organisation and competition are non-notable, the teams even less so and the squads that formed the teams completely non-notable. - fchd (talk) 08:08, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure that's a fair characterization. Just because it's smaller teams doesn't make the entire organization and competition non-notable. I agree that the rosters don't need their own page, though, certainly. matt91486 (talk) 05:09, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The competition is going on until Sunday, July 13, and it's unlikely that this article will be deleted between now and that time. My feeling is that the organization and the competition are notable enough to rate an article; but not notable enough to rate the microscopic examination of a team's roster, such as what is accorded to, say Real Madrid. Frankly, I don't believe that the roster of any sports team needs to be duplicated on Wikipedia. However, fans who are frustrated about not being able to edit their team's official website have constructed their own roster sites on Wikipedia, and when a suggestion is made to delete, they will turn out in force. As I've said before, everything gets published on Wikipedia; but not everything gets to stay on Wikipedia. Mandsford (talk) 13:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to 2008 VIVA World Cup. 05:09, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Keep. Very useful page. Better if separate from 2008 VIVA World Cup. --Checco (talk) 11:53, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Generally, "useful" isn't considered a very strong argument for keeping an article, because useful and useless are a matter of opinion. The question I pose is, would it be less useful if it was part of the article about the 2008 World Cup? I mean, Geez Louise, there were four teams in the competition. I think that Confucius said that some baby birds don't survive when they're kicked out of the nest. Mandsford (talk) 01:32, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Giant Snowman 16:22, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as it's the most important Non-FIFA World Cup. --necronudist (talk) 11:51, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.