Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris Crane

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep (non-admin close) RMHED (talk) 00:01, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Crane

This subject is not notable per outside coverage and through our Wikipedia:ATHLETE guidelines. College players can be notable, but this player has just, essentially, been a back-up for his entire college career. If he receives significant next year as a starter, then recreation is fine, but right now he's not having any independent coverage that denotes notability. Metros (talk) 15:47, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep a number of games played for a fairly well known team. Also I don't think there is any doubt that he is presently the team's starting QB --T-rex 16:10, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Right on the boarder line. However, after reviewing the guidelines with regards to Amateur Athletes as shown here [1] and looking at the coverage Mr. Crane has received, as shown here, [2]. I believe Chris has established sufficient Notability to be included in Wikipedia. ShoesssS ^Talk 16:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 17:25, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notability is easily confirmed. Ecoleetage (talk) 20:59, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Not much more than tons of college players. The link to his ghits above are misleading. They mostly mention him in passing, in coverage of a game that he has played in. He has not received significant coverage as required by WP:BIO. --brew crewer (yada, yada) 03:14, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Web page hits are certainly one way to measure notability, but are not the only way. By saying that the player has not received significant coverage simply means that one measure of notability has not been achieved. There are other ways to define and achieve notability.--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:58, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep see Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Notability for detail, but specifically this is a classic case of the surmountable problem and specialist topic arguments. The college football project encountered this same type of deletion argument several years ago with Tim Tebow when he was not a starter (and Heisman trophy winner), but those who follow college football could see that he would very likely become widely known based on his skill level and position. Likewise, this player is most likely going to be a starter for a notable college football program the next year, and all reports lead to that at this time. As the "surmountable problem" essay states, "Even a poor article can be of benefit, and not so bad that Wikipedia is better off without it." I say keep this article (it's certainly better than a "poor" article) and let the Wiki-world improve it over time. The specialists in college football consider it worthwhile and it can be improved.--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:16, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.