Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Here Comes The Kraken

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. JohnCD (talk) 10:25, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here Comes The Kraken

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Non-notable band. The article's author removed the A7 Speedy Delete tag, so let's bring the article here for a full discussion of its merit. Warrah (talk) 01:00, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

i didnt remove the tag actually. i started a discussion on the page's talk page. this is a new band but note-wrothy because they've released material and are popularizing and need a wikipedia page--Riossez (talk) 01:07, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Link to the removal of the Speedy Delete tag: [1]. Warrah (talk) 01:22, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment; I'm going to refrain from !voting, but I'd like to point out that Riossez's deletion of the Speedy tag appears to be a good-faith editing error in his edit adding the infobox, band membership, and references section. In any event, another editor followed up and also removed the speedy tag when it was reinstated, see [2], so the issue of Riossez's deletion is moot. Let's assume good faith here and limit the discussion to its merits. TJRC (talk) 20:07, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete - non-notable band, fails WP:MUSICBIO, no charted records, no awards. History on the article page shows that the author of the article removed the A7 Speedy Delete tag, despite his protestations to the contrary. Also, the article is written for promotion and violates WP:SOAP (GregJackP (talk) 01:30, 17 February 2010 (UTC))[reply]
Strong Delete, completely non-notable, per ibid. -Zeus-^u|c 02:42, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I have declined the speedy, a statement that a band has released an album and gone on an inter-country tour is clearly enough to avoid an A7. The tour also appears to fulfill one of the criteria of WP:MUSIC. The soapboxing can be dealt with by normal editing. DES ^(talk) 02:43, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You are wrong on both counts. Touring is only notable, as per WP:MUSIC, if the performers "have received significant coverage in independent reliable sources." No such coverage exists. And WP:BAND requirements states that the performers must have "released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable)." This group is on an obscure indie label with one album and one EP. Warrah (talk) 02:50, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have just added one source for the tour, and one for critical comment. Whether this constitutes "non-trivial" coverage, the term actually used in the guideline, can be discussed. And the "two or more albums" is one of 12 criteria, passing any one of which indicates notability. It is not a "requirement". note that the tour language is criterion #4 on that same list. (BTW WP:MUSIC and WP:BAND are the same page.) DES ^(talk) 03:04, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A single review by an obscure web site? That actually makes the group look more obscure. And, in any event, the article does not meet any of the 12 criteria in WP:MUSIC. Warrah (talk) 03:12, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails all 12 criteria of WP:MUSIC, "sources" don't cut it. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 03:34, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:02, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - the band completely fails A7. 1) No multiple non-trivial cites. 2) No charted songs. 3) No gold record. 4) No non-trivial coverage of a national tour. 5) Has released 1 album, with one on the way - on an minor indi-label that doesn't even have a webpage. 6) No previously notable band members, etc, etc. Nothing. (GregJackP (talk) 09:37, 18 February 2010 (UTC))[reply]
Delete - The band fails all 12 categories in WP:MUSIC. --BaronVonYiffington (talk) 15:00, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.