Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hidenori Kusaka

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. All points considered, no consensus on whether or not the subject is notable as a creative professional. Regards, Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 04:00, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hidenori Kusaka

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Unnotable manga artist. Fails WP:BIO and WP:AUTHOR. Tagged for notability since January. No significant coverage in reliable, third party sources. Only wrote a single series (which was illustrated by a different artist). Prod removed by IP with no edit summary. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:20, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. — -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:23, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Notability not established. Article so short that even hints of notability are absent. Jim Heaphy (talk) 03:34, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - ~~Unreferenced biography.~~ Lack of notability. – allen四names 05:34, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dream Focus added references but I am not changing my vote. – allen四names 02:10, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The author created a very notable series, and their work one a notable award from a major long established network. I added that to the article. Dream Focus 08:03, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The English translation of his manga won a Nickelodeon kids magazine award, which is not a major publishing award (but a network one, as you already noted). The award is clearly not a major one, and the "source" is nothing but a press release that only mentions him as the author of the work. The listing of "winners" of awards also include "Best Hair in Comics" and "Grossest Thing in Comics". An award given to the manga series, NOT to Kusaka, does not make him notable. The series is notable, not him. Notability is not inherited. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 08:05, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Was the translation different script than the original? Are awards less notable if presented in a country that speaks a different language than what it was originally written in? And its a notable award. The series can't be notable, without the person creating it be notable. Just like a director is notable for their works, or a bestselling writer. Dream Focus 08:09, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, a work can be notable without its creator being notable. And the award is not notable. Its a random kids magazine award, not a significant literary award. Oh, and yes, Viz did censor some parts of their release, and flipped two characters names, so it is a different script from the original. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 08:17, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Any significant difference? Flipping two names around doesn't change things, nor does eliminating a few things here and there. Inuyasha had all of its blood and profanity removed by the Cartoon Network when it first showed it. A rather common thing. And any award that gets coverage, is notable. Dream Focus 08:21, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Again, you are comparing different media type. Inuyasha's anime is not a written media, and it was released uncut to DVD. Big difference between modifying for broadcast and editing it period. And no, any award that gets its own generated coverage is NOT notable. Issuing press releases does not make you notable. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 08:27, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Academy awards give out awards for best Film Editing, Sound Editing, Sound Mixing, Costume Design, Makeup, and other categories some might find ridiculous. That doesn't mean you can disqualify them. Dream Focus 08:13, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Huge difference. Those are FILM related, which the Academy awards are for. What does "grossest thing" have to do with the medium? Nothing. Its just a silly category for kids. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 08:17, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Some watch things just to be grossed out. Many horror films are based on the gross out factor. Does anyone watch a movie just to admire how well someone's makeup is? Dream Focus 08:21, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And? This isn't a horror series nor was the award for horror works. It is a trivial and random category. And yes, there are people who notice the make up in a film. Cats is a vastly different experience when the actors are not wearing full, properly applied make up. Either way, if a film's only award was for best makeup and received no coverage, it would also be unnotable.

How lively is the discussion here. Only one know work as a writer, no Japanese wiki article and the work isn't an original work but rather an adaptation of video games so that lead me to ask for delete. --KrebMarkt 09:16, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- There is a Japanese wiki article, as you can now see on the page; it's existed for a while but apparently the bot that's supposed to add interwiki links missed this page. In fact, the Japanese wiki page was created on 12/31/08, almost a year before this page. --70.250.214.164 (talk) 18:43, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Completely fails WP:CREATIVE. Winning a very minor award, one that is simply a popularity contest more in common with "senior superlatives" than with significant critical attention, doesn't make an author or artist notable. —Farix (t | c) 12:32, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Jim Heaphy, if an article is too short, the best thing to do is expand it, not delete it. And KrebbMarkt, the fact that a manga is the adaptation of a video game doesn't make it less notable. --J4\/4 <talk> 12:59, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment On what bases should this article be kept when it doesn't pass any of Wikipedia's inclusion criteria? —Farix (t | c) 14:29, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- @J4V4 I consider the writer work on this series as an alimentary job with no much room left for personal initiatives. --KrebMarkt 17:50, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Only the RGB, RS, and DP arcs have closely followed the games. The Y, GSC, FRLG, and E arcs have been much different from their corresponding games. --70.250.214.164 (talk) 18:13, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Thanks for the information, i guess i didn't go far enough in my reading :( --KrebMarkt 21:25, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: CSE results don't seem to show too much - mostly sales rankings, occasional short reviews of the manga, etc. --Gwern (contribs) 14:33 7 March 2010 (GMT)
- Comment: The existence of reviews proves his notability. WP:AUTHOR says:

The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.

Specifically, note that a person who has authored a work that's the subject of multiple independent reviews is automatically notable. --70.250.214.164 (talk) 22:17, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Insufficient notability or in-depth third-party coverage to justify a biographical article on this person. --DAJF (talk) 03:28, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've been waffling on this one. As an original writer, he would be a clear keep based on WP:CREATIVE just from the reception already present on Pokémon Adventures. However, this is an adaptation of the stories created by the developers of the video games. A close adaptation, would make me say no, but according to the above (and I've no reason to distrust the good-faith of the editor's comments) that while some arcs closely follow the game each is based on, others diverge wildly -- and as such probably count as original writing. Narrowly keep as passing WP:CREATIVE. (Lack of biographical detail at this time is not an issue -- that just means the article remains a stub for now, and as we all know, per policy being a stub is not a wikicrime.) —Quasirandom (talk) 03:13, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Winning the Nickelodeon Magazine Comics Award does demonstrate notability. --Oakshade (talk) 08:56, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

He didn't win it. The series won it. He was not sent any kind of physical award, nor given any kind of prize/recognition beyond a simply listing of the author in a simple list of kids votes. That is not a major award for purposes of notability. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 13:52, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Stand corrected. He was the creator of an award winning series. Vote not changed. It might seem easy to discount "kids votes", but in fact "kids" literature is a gigantic industry and winning recognition for achievement from a major "kids" publication in fact does demonstrate notability. That the topic was "not sent any kind of physical award" has nothing to do with anything.--Oakshade (talk) 15:57, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep His work is part of a notable franchise, has won an award, is still being published over a decade after it began, and has been translated into 3 different languages. Edward321 (talk) 15:19, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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