Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Idahams

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The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:59, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Idahams

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The subject of this article fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. He has released a few singles and an EP, but none of them have been discussed in reliable sources. The subject has not won or been nominated for any major awards in Nigeria (Nigeria Entertainment Awards and The Headies) or in Africa (MTV Africa Music Awards and All Africa Music Awards). The BAE Awards he is a recipient of is not notable. He is still an up-and-coming artist who has not made his mark in the Nigerian music industry. The sources cited in the article are either about his record deal with Universal or about interviews he granted; none of them are independent of the subject. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 16:18, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 16:18, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 16:18, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 16:18, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep: The awards aren't notable at all. But subject has independent media coverage. I guess it passes WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO at minimum level. Lunar Clock (talk) 18:55, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Lunar Clock: How exactly does it pass WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO? Can you backed your statement with proof or are you just going to say it passes without any justification? Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 19:06, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am referring to media coverage. There are references from Pulse Nigeria, Nigerian Entertainment Today and Guardian Nigeria. Lunar Clock (talk) 19:22, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Which of these sources you mentioned discuss the subject independently of him? The Guardian Nigeria source is a primary source; Q&A sources cannot be used to establish notability. The Nigerian Entertainment Today source is simply a press release about 2Kay's single and cannot be used to establish notability; as a matter of fact, Idahams is not even mention in the source. The Pulse Nigeria source is the only promising source; however, it is not enough to establish notability. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 19:52, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies. I was wrong to mention Guardian here. They are just blogs. About the Entertainment Weekly, I've added two more sources. There's one from Independent Nigeria which is credible source too. Please ping me if you find anything wrong in my statement. I'll more than happy to be corrected. Lunar Clock (talk) 21:03, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete A strong case of WP:TOOSOON. subject of our discussion isn’t there yet and does not satisfy WP:MUSICBIO and per nom, subject hasn’t made any significant impact in the music industry. I viewed this article some time ago & was going to “AFD it” but forgot to.Celestina007 (talk) 12:02, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I think considering the news coverage here (e.g. in Independent Ng, Guardian Ng, Pulse and Music Africa among others), the artist does pass WP:GNG. And definitely pass for WP:MUSICBIO by meeting at least one criteria. Also been signed to a notable record label like Universal Music Group is a plus as well. He has also featured award winning artistes like Teni should also prove notability. SuperSwift (talk) 22:03, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@SuperSwift: Which criterion of WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO does he pass? Being signed to a major record label and being featured on a Teni song doesn't make one notable. If the notability criteria was that simple, everyone and their mother would be notable. Judging by your comments, you clearly haven't fully grasp Wikipedia's notability standards. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 22:50, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment -Hey SuperSwift, you are a/an NPP hence should be grounded in all things pertaining notability as this is pivotal to your duties so please do tell us the community, where it states in Singer & GNG that featuring a notable artist in a song qualifies/or makes the song owner automatically notable & deserving of inclusion? I’m listening.Celestina007 (talk) 23:54, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reply -hello Versace1608 and Celestina007 I dropped those links from reliable media houses in Nigeria. I'd say it passes for GNG because it passes for significant coverage, reliable, independent of the subject. My mentioning Teni was just to spice it up. I know being featured isn't a justification. If the article was not written properly, I feel that can be addressed. SuperSwift (talk) 09:45, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Per SuperSwift. Also the subject pass for WP:BASIC with credible sources like Guardian Ng, Vanguard amongst others and also pass for WP:Songwriters criteria #1 having written the song “no one else” by Mr 2Kay which topped ITunes chart and also other songs for notable artists like Duncan Mighty, Solid Star. Kaizenify (talk) 23:28, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Hello Kaizenify, a couple of things, let’s start with notability of the subject, I have seen some comments relating to subject of our discussion passing some criteria under WP:NMUSIC but I’d also like to point this out; an article on a music artist may be notable if they satisfy any criterion under WP:MUSIC but ironically even satisfying one or more criteria is no real evidence of notability if they do not satisfy WP:GNG & So I’m still voicing Versace1608, who raises the question of does our subject of discussion have in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources? My take is No. You also mention something about subject of our discussion satisfying WP:BASIC even though I doubt that, perharps you can provide any three best sources that shows he has in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of him also I should note that PR payola is not notable & should not be included in any of the three sources you may want to bring forward. @SuperSwift your assistance may be required in this regard. On a jovial note @HandsomeBoy, I noticed you !voted a delete initially but later completely removed & deleted your entire entry from this AFD. What seems to be the problem? Is this an error or did you decide to wear the “human compassion” hat? Haha.Celestina007 (talk) 13:50, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 17:06, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Lunar Clock as it does passes for WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO... Mere searching of the subject on google reveals various independent sources which include in Pulse Nigeria, Independent NG, coverage on Guardian life here and here, with mentions on NET e.t.c. The subject might be at borderline notability but it’s definitely worth keeping. Timmylegend (talk) 22:21, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Timmylegend could you identify which exact criterion in GNG & ANYBIO subject of discussion satisfies & please substantiate that with a reliable source. This comment is not in bad faith but rather i’d like to observe this article from your own lens/perspective.Celestina007 (talk) 13:29, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Timmylegend: You are not bringing anything new to this discussion. The Guardian Life and Independent Nigeria sources you cited are not independent of the subject. Like I stated earlier, the Pulse Nigeria source is the only promising source. In the Independent Nigeria source, Idahams is described as a "fast rising singer, songwriter and instrmentalist". The fact that he is described as a fast-rising act should be an indication that he isn't yet notable. Idahams has not done anything in the Nigeria music industry worth talking about. What hit songs has he released? What notable awards has he won? Which of his music releases have been critically reviewed? Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 00:19, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I’d like the closing administrator to note that majority of those !voting keep are merely doing a “drive by voting” & generally have shown an unwillingness to co-operate by refusing to enter a productive dialogue with those with the opposing rationale, who have raised important questions that have remained unanswered.Celestina007 (talk) 19:20, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The sources ("Pulse", "Vanguard", "Nigerian Entertainment Today") satisfy me that WP:GNG has been met. Dflaw4 (talk) 11:13, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I see no reason to delete this article, the page creator provide every necessary citations needed for WP:GNG, many of them are reliable sources discussing about the matter. Many websites are discussing about him, and they are reliable sources. If such biographical articles are to be deleted they shall be here again one day by another, wheather you like it or not. What I can see is he is a young rising notable musucian, that does not makes him un notable, as long as he meets the WP:GNG that is enough, from my perspective he meets the requirements. As far as those citations are concern he meets the requirements.

Anasskoko (talk) 13:44, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment As a musician, NMUSIC NMUSICBIO should be the criteria. Bahb the Illuminated (talk) 21:28, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ mazca ^talk 17:46, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relist comment - A majority of the participants in the discussion have asserted that the artist passes relevant notability guidelines, but nobody's responded to some seemingly-valid criticisms of a lot of the sources used for that. Some more uninvolved editors assessing this would help us reach a consensus. ~ mazca ^talk 17:48, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: To help focus the discussion, "Guardian Nigeria", "Independent Nigeria" and "Entertainment Tonight Nigeria" seem to be the sources that are being challenged. (I've already voted). Dflaw4 (talk) 00:41, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.