Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James A. McKinstry

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Since the nominator did not provide an explanation on why he deemed the subject not notable and the recent reveal of an NYT article that shows he was on the first squad of a notable team means there's no policy based reason to delete, also early comments saying the article is unreferenced are also no longer relevant. Mgm|^(talk) 00:16, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

James A. McKinstry

this person really is not notable. there is nothing special that he has done. 68.192.45.84 (talk · contribs) Text copied from article's talk page ➨ ❝ЯEDVERS❞ a sweet and tender hooligan 13:34, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep Easily meets the guidelines for notability on sports figures, plus his othe accomplishments. Edward321 (talk) 14:36, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Notability not established. Unreferenced. Let me know if the situation changes and good sources are uncovered establishing his notability per Wikipedia guidelines. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:00, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If he played for the Jets, he would be notable. However, I don't see anyone named McKinstry listed on any of the football reference sites. I did find this article, which mentions him, but not much else. It's possible he was on the Jets' roster, but never logged any gametime minutes with them. Anyone have more information? Zagalejo^^^ 19:54, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Update He was signed by the Jets in 1963: [1]. I'm not seeing anything else about his pro career, though. Zagalejo^^^ 20:03, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete- I added a source to the article, thinking that it established this person's notability through WP:ATHLETE. But it turns out that I can't find any evidence that he actually ever made the first team. His accomplishments after football, though impressive, are not particularly notable and the article generally doesn't cite any sources. I'm more than happy to change my mind though, so if other sources turn up I would appreciate a PM to let me know. Cheers. Reyk _YO! 21:36, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. -- Raven1977 (talk) 22:39, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Speedy keep meets [WP:ATHLETE]] with professional career, New York Jets.--Paul McDonald (talk) 22:53, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- What professional career? ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:58, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - I agree. All we can establish is that he was on the NY Jets roster; there is no evidence he ever actually played at the highest level and therefore no reason to say that he passes WP:ATHLETE. Reyk _YO! 23:02, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Found another reference as a former player. http://events.adelphi.edu/news/2007/20070328.php —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeuscgp (talk • contribs) 16:29, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Even if people are having a hard time with "Competitors who have competed in a fully professional league...", being on the Farmingdale State University Athletics Hall of Fame should satisfy "Competitors who have competed at the highest level in amateur sports." According to Amateur sports, "All North American university sports are conducted by amateurs." Zeuscgp (talk) 16:43, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

deleteThere is nothing special about him to have such an article. Wikipedia is not a collection of biographies of every minor individual in the nation. We might as well have every player who ever played on every professional team. Even if they never accomplished much. 208.120.47.96 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 17:18, 19 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]
- Agreed except for the delete part... we'd love to have an article on every player who ever played on every professional team. That would meet WP:ATHLETE gideline quite nicely!--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:18, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Hm, I find it odd that the two IPs (68.192.45.84 and 208.120.47.96) who keep trying to get 'controversies' included in the St. John's University wiki (which I edit) are here trying to get another article I edit removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeuscgp (talk • contribs) 18:01, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- That isn't strange. What is strange is that James A. McKinstry works for St. John's University currently. The author of the article edits for St. John's University [2] , [3] and is based at St. John's University [4] 208.120.47.96 (talk) 18:48, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Time Magazine I found a copy of the October 23, 1963 issue of Time Magazine showing and naming James McKinstry and the rest of the NY Jets. Because of copyrights I can't post it to WikiCommons. If there is a way that this pullout can be helpful in proving the legitimacy of this Wiki, please let me know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeuscgp (talk • contribs) 18:26, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Would someone be willing to clean up the article a bit and to clarify McKinstry's role on the Jets? If he made the team and was on the roster, I think that would be good to say. Or, if he played I'd like to know what his stats were. As it's written it leaves a lot to the imagination. Being in his college's hall of fame is a rather impressive achievment, and some statistics on his college career would also be helpful. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:14, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
delete Honestly, he's a nobody in the grand scheme of things. 70.107.90.82 (talk) 21:02, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- comment okay... why?--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:25, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Saying he's a nobody isn't helpful. He accomplished a lot. But I don't think the article or his career demostrate he competed at the highest level. If you want to make a case for his having competed at the highest level, then I suggest improving the article so it details this with cited content. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:35, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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