Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kathy Greco
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 19:50, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Individual is a producer on a game show and is not notable. Unlike other articles about game show producers (such as Mark Goodson, Jay Wolpert and Merv Griffin), individual has had no career outside one single show. Article is filled with original research without reliable sources. Sottolacqua (talk) 14:17, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Fails WP:BLP standards. Willking1979 (talk) 14:28, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Producer of the #1 rated show in US Daytime for most of our lifetimes. She's notable. And if she isn't, then Roger Dobkowitz isn't either. --User:Woohookitty Disamming fool! 14:37, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- How and why is she notable? What sets her apart from other television producers of the thousands of other programs in the history of television? Simply restating an argument that "she's notable" isn't a valid reason. Sottolacqua (talk) 16:10, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Layman's opinion, having stumbled upon this: Kathy Greco has been gaining more visibility lately, moreso in behind-the-scenes vids. than anything else. I saw the name and came over to check it because I happen to watch TPIR regularly. If you produce the #1 game show in television history, I think that's a notable achievement.
- Thus, I think it's a keep. CycloneGU (talk) 16:46, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- How and why is she notable? What sets her apart from other television producers of the thousands of other programs in the history of television? Simply restating an argument that "she's notable" isn't a valid reason. Sottolacqua (talk) 16:10, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- keep Bill Gates has only been a "producer" of one software company for his whole career. The number of projects a person is involved with is NOT the condition of their notability (is Alan Ludden not notable? He is recognized pretty much for Password, and nothing else, but that isn't an issue with his notability). The 16k google hits for "kathy greco" indicates that there's more than a handful of people talking about her. TheHYPO (talk) 20:56, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Bill Gates is far more notable than someone from the production staff of a television program. Allen Ludden was seen every day on television as host--Kathy Greco is not even an on-air personality. Why have separate articles for only two producers instead of creating articles for Barbara Hunter, Stanley Blits, Sue MacIntyre, Adam Sandler, Phillip W. Rossi, etc.[1]? According to IMDB, Rossi joined the show the same year as Greco, yet he's not notable enough to have his own article, but Greco is? Sottolacqua (talk) 21:12, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm simply refuting your own point as to why Greco can't possibly be notable: quote: "individual has had no career outside one single show". This is in your nom, therefore I assume it is part of your logic that having a career in one show only diminishes notablity. I dispute this in that contributing to a 40-ish year long program that is extremely notable is an achievement, even if she never bothered to quit and go produce other programs. I do not deny that Alan Ludden and Bill Gates are not MORE notable than Greco, but I dispute your claim that contributions mainly to one project is not a contra-indication to notablility. TheHYPO (talk) 16:49, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Bill Gates is far more notable than someone from the production staff of a television program. Allen Ludden was seen every day on television as host--Kathy Greco is not even an on-air personality. Why have separate articles for only two producers instead of creating articles for Barbara Hunter, Stanley Blits, Sue MacIntyre, Adam Sandler, Phillip W. Rossi, etc.[1]? According to IMDB, Rossi joined the show the same year as Greco, yet he's not notable enough to have his own article, but Greco is? Sottolacqua (talk) 21:12, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Gates is not notable for contribution to one product only. His philanthropy is equally as notable as his connection to Microsoft. Again, Ludden is easily recognizable as a decades-long game show host. The article on Greco currently includes no information that relates to her notability, nor does it contain any references. If she is notable, what is she notable for? The article currently includes a very brief career history (which only includes job titles and minimal information about day-to-day duties, none of which is sourced and which may or may not be current based on the promotions listed), the statement that she created one pricing game, an explanation of her nickname and anecdotes about her appearing on Family Feud and an instance where she "danced the gator." These are hardly criteria for being notable, nor does this random trivia meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Sottolacqua (talk) 18:37, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- And yet Bob Barker is notable because of his hosting TPIR. If he stopped at Truth and Consequences, chances are no one would know who he was today. It's usually because of one thing that someone becomes notable. Kathy Greco appears in behind-the-scenes vids. on the TPIR Web site. She's been with the show for years. What if she retires in five years? She is still not notable? WTF? CycloneGU (talk) 16:18, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Barker is notable because he was seen on television five days per week for fifty years. Appearing in behind-the-scenes videos on a television show's website is not criteria that proves notability. She has not received significant coverage in reliable sources. In fact, if you Google her name, outside of IMdB and Yahoo! TV, nothing even related to television shows up in the first page of results. Even if you Google Fingers Greco, it results in no sourced material or relevant references. She is not notable, and the article as it stands now contains nothing but unsourced trivia. Sottolacqua (talk) 18:27, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Being the executive producer on the biggest game show in television history is notable. That is why someone created this article in August 2006 (mind, she wasn't exec. producer at the time). Clearly, other people think she is notable enough to have an article. Just having that status is notable enough even if only for a stub. It's not like we're creating an article for someone who is the set designer for "Will and Grace" or something. CycloneGU (talk) 19:06, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- She is not the executive producer now, nor was she ever. She is a producer. This AFD is about proving why she is notable enough to have an article, which again currently contains no notable information. She meets no criteria listed in the General notability guideline. Sottolacqua (talk) 19:28, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Being the executive producer on the biggest game show in television history is notable. That is why someone created this article in August 2006 (mind, she wasn't exec. producer at the time). Clearly, other people think she is notable enough to have an article. Just having that status is notable enough even if only for a stub. It's not like we're creating an article for someone who is the set designer for "Will and Grace" or something. CycloneGU (talk) 19:06, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Barker is notable because he was seen on television five days per week for fifty years. Appearing in behind-the-scenes videos on a television show's website is not criteria that proves notability. She has not received significant coverage in reliable sources. In fact, if you Google her name, outside of IMdB and Yahoo! TV, nothing even related to television shows up in the first page of results. Even if you Google Fingers Greco, it results in no sourced material or relevant references. She is not notable, and the article as it stands now contains nothing but unsourced trivia. Sottolacqua (talk) 18:27, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- And yet Bob Barker is notable because of his hosting TPIR. If he stopped at Truth and Consequences, chances are no one would know who he was today. It's usually because of one thing that someone becomes notable. Kathy Greco appears in behind-the-scenes vids. on the TPIR Web site. She's been with the show for years. What if she retires in five years? She is still not notable? WTF? CycloneGU (talk) 16:18, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete She has a definitely notable role, but there are no reliable sources about her. The only Google News hits I found were false positives. If there's no chance of this ever being more than a stub, then it shouldn't be an article at all. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 19:25, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Would fall under WP:NPF, but there is no reliable sources about her. Click23 (talk) 18:37, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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