Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mississippi State - Vanderbilt football rivalry

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The result was delete. Yunshui ^雲 _水 14:20, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mississippi State - Vanderbilt football rivalry

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Non-notable college football rivalry that fails WP:NRIVALRY and WP:GNG. Per WP:NRIVALRY, no sports rivalry is inherently notable, and every sports "rivalry" must satisfy the general notability guidelines per WP:GNG. That means significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources explicitly covering the series as a rivalry, not merely as a recurring game series. By that GNG standard, it is almost impossible to find significant, in-depth coverage of Mississippi State-Vanderbilt as a "rivalry" in multiple, independent, reliable sources per WP:RS. Has anyone ever written an in-depth feature article about the history and significance of the Mississippi State-Vanderbilt series as a rivalry? Has anyone has ever written a book about the Mississippi State-Vanderbilt series as a rivalry? Ole Miss-Mississippi State? Tennessee-Vanderbilt? Alabama-Tennessee? Florida-Georgia? Auburn-Georgia? Yes, to all of those. Mississippi State-Vanderbilt? Never. And that's not very surprising, really; this game has only been played 21 times in 110 years, and has only been played in four consecutive years once during that time. This series has none of the hallmarks of a traditional college rivalry. If the Mississippi State-Vanderbilt series is notable as a "rivalry," then practically every annual series in the Southeastern Conference could be considered a "rivalry." When every conference series is a rivalry, then the term "rivalry" has effectively become meaningless. This is not what was intended by WP:NRIVALRY, and is not supported by the precedents of the previous AfDs and talk page discussions of WP:CFB. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I suggest that instead of deletion, the article name be changed from "Mississippi State - Vanderbilt football rivalry" to "Mississippi State - Vanderbilt football series". In this way, the article can still be used for research and viewing purposes but not misleading as a "rivalry." nateb2003

Nate, if it's not notable as rivalry, then we don't cover it as a stand-alone game series article. If it's worth saving, the material should be incorporated into the stand-alone team articles, and where appropriate into each team's season articles. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:56, 12 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, per nom. Perhaps it would make sense to adjust the Southeastern Conference page a bit (it describes several conference series as "rivalries" and wikilinks to several of questionable notability) - maybe along the lines of Mountain_West_Conference#Conference, which doesn't wikilink everything, and adds a bit of information about number of games played, record and series leader. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnInDC (talk • contribs)

John, those mentions of this game series as a "rivalry" in the Southeastern Conference article are what tipped me off to the existence of this and several other recently created CFB "rivalry" articles. Those mentions in the SEC article are recent additions by the creators of the new "rivalry" articles, and those references will be removed at the conclusion of this AfD, lest someone think there are significant sources supporting this series as a "rivalry." Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:26, 12 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Agree, not a reason at all to keep this (or any other) article but rather just an observation that we don't want a bunch of redlinks. Also too maybe it would be nice to have a table with the series records laid out for people to see. JohnInDC (talk) 21:38, 12 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: not a significant enough rivalry to warrant an article. p b p 21:20, 12 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per nom. Patriarca12 (talk) 21:57, 12 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Mississippi-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:50, 13 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Tennessee-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:50, 13 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:50, 13 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Any substantive information about individual games can be merged into the applicable articles for the Mississippi State and Vanderbilt seasons. Cbl62 (talk) 03:19, 13 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per just about all of the above. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 15:17, 13 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for all the above reasons. -AllisonFoley (talk) 02:35, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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