Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The School of Artisan Food

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Comments vary mostly between "promotional" and "passes GNG"; the case for passing the GNG seems to be made. The rest is editing. Drmies (talk) 21:22, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

The School of Artisan Food

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This is a promotional paid piece by a now blocked editor which lacks in significant in depth coverage. There are many mentions but ultimately nothing that satisfies WP:NCORP as WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES doesn't really apply here as it's not an actual school in the way that Wikipedia defines it. It's nothing more than an organization that offers cooking classes and is not accredited by any qualifying academic boards as a "school", only FDQ Praxidicae (talk) 16:35, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

• Keep. Seems to meet WP:GNG per a news search, which shows notable people such as JB Gill have visited there. I'm just not sure where to start with expanding / improving the article. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:41, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

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Last I checked notability is not inherited. John Waters, Buck Showalter, Joan Jett and hundreds of other notable people have visited my favorite restaurant and I can assure you it too is not notable despite it's many local mentions and awards. And I'd hardly call that link significant in depth coverage. Praxidicae (talk) 16:47, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Is your favourite restaurant a campus of a national university? This one is. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:34, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

and this is relevant how? What part of notability is not inherited is unclear to you? Praxidicae (talk) 22:17, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 17:37, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 17:37, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 17:39, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 17:39, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 17:40, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

• Delete There's something but still it's a NCORP fail, by quite much. Also, there's zero point in providing a generic Gnews-link as an argument (specific sources, please) and also, NOTINHERITED. ~ Winged Blades^Godric 19:52, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

If nothing else, you can merge / redirect to Nottingham Trent University per WP:ATD-R. For specific sources, I see The Guardian, The Daily Telegraph, The Yorkshire Post and NTU's website. I have copyedited the article a bit and dropped a few more sources in. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:35, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

• Keep: Teaches Foundation degree courses, lot of coverage in major press, seems to be notable. Have added a couple of external links. PamD

Delete (with nothing to prevent future re-creation by independent editors) if it's proven that it was undisclosed paid editing - and what about the same editor's creation of an article on the school's founder Alison Swan Parente? Presumably COI, perhaps paid? PamD 19:52, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

I'm going through the article - I have already replaced some of the self-hosted sources with independent third-party ones and trimmed some of the fluff. Hopefully this will sufficiently count for the purposes of "future re-creation". Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:18, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

• Delete – it's paid editing, created in violation of our terms of use. Notability is borderline at best. – bradv🍁 19:14, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
• Keep Shouldn't matter if the person who wrote it was paid if the article is sourced and reasonably neutral.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:44, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 17:57, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

• Delete Wikipedia is not a place to post advertisements.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:39, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

What am I advertising by cleaning up the article and replacing sources? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:56, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 13:51, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

• Keep a substantial article on a topic whose notbility is suggested by the plethora of secondary, independent reliable sources which have augmented the article since this nimination was filed, demnstrating persistent and broad coverage across national media and specialised literature. ——SerialNumber54129 14:03, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
• Delete. All that has happened during the course of this AFD is that this ad has become a better ad.—Mkativerata (talk) 22:49, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
• Keep While it is always unfortunate if articles are created through undisclosed paid editing, we should recognize this is no longer an issue since the work by Ritchie333. This school found recognition in the international press:
  • Jordi, Nathalie (13 October 2009). "British Artisanal Food Gains New Champions". New York Times.
  • Mah, Ann (30 September 2011). "In Europe, Cooking Classes for Every Palate". New York Times. (lists 10 cooking schools throughout Europe, The School of Artisan Food is one of them)
  • Arnold, Hugo (20 March 2010). "School for artisans". The Irish Times.

The school has been influential in spreading artisan food techniques. One example is the trendy cheese Young Buck by the cheese-maker Mike Thompson who enrolled on a one-year cheese-making course:

• Meredith, Fionola (27 July 2019). "Young Buck: Keeping it mouldy". The Irish Times.
• McGuinness, Katy (23 July 2017). "Quel fromage! Ireland leads the whey abroad". The Times.

The definition What is artisan food at [1] was cited in multiple research papers, example: Dunne, Michelle; Wright, Angela (2017). "Irish local and artisan foods: Multiples make space!". Cogent Business & Management. 4 (1). doi:10.1080/23311975.2017.1324242.

--AFBorchert (talk) 16:40, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Many "delete" !votes refer to the issue of paid editing; however, the article has since been cleaned up; and it's this version that needs to be evaluated.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanamonde (Talk) 02:15, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.